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Test (mike.masi@chowda.sbs.com (Mike Masi))
Re: Bring back Charlie! (Kristy Gleason <kristy@mv.MV.COM>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 348 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
Re: YTSEJAM digest 346 (ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re))
Re: seats (ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re))
Re: Bring back Charlie! (Chris Wegner <cwegner@kaiwan.com>)
Under A Glass Moon - .MID File (Thomas Jansson <d3thomas@dtek.chalmers.se>)
Re: Bring back Charlie! (whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White))
Re: Bring back Charlie! (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: X is better than Y (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: PERFECT SONG (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
MEAT article about DT and James (Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>)
Re: Bring back Charlie! (steve wisinski <97WISINSKI@alma.edu>)
Re: Metropolis ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Company of Wolves (ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu)
speculation (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: Bring back Charlie! (smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield))
When Dream and Day Unite (I Hate Grunge <pdaugher@bdmserver>)
Re: SiD? (Markus"Mackan"Forsblom <tdi9001@abacus.hgs.se>)
RE: DT vs. Rush (drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
Re: Bring back Charlie! (drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
DT's new CD (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: Metropolis (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Bring back Charlie! (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: PERFECT SONG (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: YTSEJAM digest 346 (Blake Butterworth <butterwo@cs.tulane.edu>)
new cd boot! (lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland))
band info (lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland))
Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich? (mariano.stalker@canrem.com (Mariano Stalker))
New album news (stmpyjcat@aol.com)
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 18:06:01 GMT
From: mike.masi@chowda.sbs.com (Mike Masi)
Subject: Test
Test message, please ignore.
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:05:44 -0500 (EST)
From: Kristy Gleason <kristy@mv.MV.COM>
Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
I guess it depends on whose voice you enjoy listening to more.
Personally speaking, I found Charlie Dominici's voice to be rather dull
and unemotional in comparison to James LaBrie's voice... but *shrug*
Whatever... to each his/her own.
I think James' voice fits their music to a T... so I'll agree to disagree
with you on this one, ok? :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 14:27:46 MST From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 348
Dave Bell:
I'm of the school that thinks that technology in music is a good thing. I think you have two schools, one who thinks that tube amps are the best, and one that likes noise gates, compressors, and effects processors. That's me.
I'm not saying there aren't some good passive pickups... Well, in a way I am. They used to be good. Today, they are just there. Pickups are an important part of the sound, and back in the days when they were double-wound, you got a nice tone from them. Today, active pickups eliminate the noise, offer more control and more output. Today's speakers with their high-frequency cones are designed to take advantage of that. I guess it's just personal opinion, but I think an active bass through the same cabinet sounds better than a passive one.
As for Myung's tone, the LIT video is about the best.... You can actually hear that slide in Glass Moon...
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re) Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 346
> Clapton and Page are so full of arthritis I'm amazed they can still > hold a pick... Let me know what they discover a scale outside > of the Pentatonic box...
Heh heh. I bet you think you're funny. So what if theyre *old*. God, since when has age meant anything to a musician's abilities, except that the generally get *better* with age??? And, hell, for that matter, what's wrong with sticking to the Pentatonic, anyhow??? It sure as hell makes it more of a challenge to play something interesting and seemingly new, as compared to playing diminished scales, or doing arpeggio sweeps based on the Lydian mode or some such crap.
> As for Myung, you're totally wrong. You have to play bass to > appreciate it, and since you don't, well, I forgive your stupidity.
Hee hee. Ah, another case of "I play the instrument so I know everything", huh?? Heh heh. What an ass.
> I can't forgive that "just locked in with the drums" crap.
Oh, and he's also a "I wanted to play guitar but wasn't good enough so I went to bass, and now I have to play as many notes as possible to prove to people that I really can play something!!" bass player, too.
Heh. Get a life.
> Listen to A Fortune in Lies, Take the Time, or Metropolis... Myung > solos, doubles Petrucci (on a bass, nearly impossible...), or > plays with Portnoy (equally difficult).. And since you ended that > crap with "that's what a bass player should do", both he and > Geddy Lee are inferior in your eyes, since neither of them do that
God, how ridiculous. Obviously, you're only listening to *small* parts of songs. Or those are the only parts of the songs your small little 4 stringed mind can handle. Through all three of the songs you named, except for small portions of them, Myung is playing dead solid along with Portnoy, in a toddler's-tush example of what a rhythm section should be. Myung steps out *when appropriate* and plays his fills and also doubles along with Petrucci either where it fits with the drums, or where its used to make the riff that much heavier. As far as Geddy goes, you've *really* missed something there. He and Peart lock up so tight, they might as well be inseparable, regardless of what Lee is playing the bass line on. That's not just good playing, that's good songwriting.
> Myung has to compete with 4 other guys who want to be everywhere. Yet, > he still manages to take the bass out of that "back-upp" roll that > retro hippies like yourself like to stick it in. Dream Theater would
Oh my, this is *too* rich. "Retro-hippy"??? Heh heh. Man, you should go into comedy. Take your bass with you. You can get up on stage and people will just *look* at you and laugh. Heh. God forbid if you opened your mouth...
> not even exist if they followed these musical rules like "a bass player > has to play with the drums" or "a song has to be 5 minutes long"...
Obviously, with your attitude, every song you write or play with your band, has bass as the main instrument, and must really suck (to lower myself and use your terminology). Every instrument has its role in a band. The size of the band determines how big a role each instrument has. In a three piece (Gee, kinda like Rush), each player has a much larger hole to fill to make the music sound full. They also have greater stylistic freedom since they have more room to move in. In a larger band, say 4 or 5 pieces, each instrument becomes more confined. To make a song work without cluttering it up, and without becoming some boring ass "everyone plays solos everywhere", everyone has to take their spots where they come, and not tread all over the other members of the band. Myung is a great example of this. He plays a solid bass line that fills his place in the music in a very artisitic manner. He locks in with the drums so that the low end of the spectrum really pumps well. When his fill spots come, he plays something tasteful that fits the music, as well as when his solo spots come. However, he's not playing ten thousand notes a minute, just because he can. Some of his grooves are fast, some aren't. But they all sit with the drums, and the band in a *very* musical way, and also in a way that obeys that first rule you listed above.
As far as the 5 minute limit on a song goes, well, I never mentioned *anything* about short songs. I think a song should be succinct, in that it doesn't meander all over the place. If it takes twenty minutes to say what the song needs, without it becoming some behemoth that collapses on itself, then great. Otherwise, some trimming is in order so that the song is less boring. Real simple, actually. Just tacking stuff onto a song that doesn't need it, for the sake of making a longer song, will only turn people off to your stuff. If you can keep a song interesting for 8, 12, 20, 50 minutes, then do it.......
> Geddy Lee = Sting > John Myung = GOD!
Hah. I guess this says it all about this guy, folks. He plays bass, and he knows *everything* there is to know about it, no doubt. I guess I'll go but a Sting album and have Geddy sign it for me....
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"The juggernaut that is Early Warning will CRUSH you!!!!"
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 15:42:55 -0500 (EST) From: ccoprdr@acme.gatech.edu (Dave Re) Subject: Re: seats
> starting to get to me. And your last sentance just kinda set me off. Why > should the people who just wanna watch the show have to stand in the back > to watch it, while people who mosh, etc, and aren't even watching the show in > the least stand in the front? No, that should be the other way around.
Because (generally speaking, I haven't been to every club in America) most places have chairs/tables in the back and a clear (moshable) space up front. At least, every place here in Atlanta where DT has played has been that way (which is also typical for every other place here in Atlanta. Can't mosh through tables, but you can certainly stand on the....
> Also, what do you mean "From the band on stage's..." Ummm, hasn't > Labrie gotten VERY upset about people moshing/stagediving/etc on more > than one occasion? So you didn't make much sense there, sorry.
Well, getting hit by people stage diving isn't all that fun. Stage diving is a lot different from moshing, BTW. The two don't neccesarily go hand in hand. Beyond that, if he can't take people getting into the music, that's his own little problem. I still maintain having people mosh is a lot better than having everyone standing there like bumps on a log. ANd, from the band on stage's point of view (regardless of what LaBrie really thinks), its better to see a crowd into your music that not.....
-- Dave Re |"I am your master, when you're all alone. OIT/TS/ISD | You can come to me child, when you're without home. ccoprdr@prism.gatech.edu | I will share your pain, of long lost dignity. | Happiness evades you, you'll get no sympathy." | "Father of the Night", Crowdad "Heh Heh. I know where there's a dead raccoon!! Heh heh." "FIRE!!! FIRE!!! FIRE!!!"
"The juggernaut that is Early Warning will CRUSH you!!!!"
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 16:07:01 -0800 From: Chris Wegner <cwegner@kaiwan.com> Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
The high pitched screams by James on LATM were kind of annoying. I'm afraid he sounded like any other metal singer on that song (Killing Hand).
That is the ONE thing I didn't like about LATM. (Well, maybe it could have been longer...)
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 01:18:30 +0100 (MET) From: Thomas Jansson <d3thomas@dtek.chalmers.se> Subject: Under A Glass Moon - .MID File
Hi!
I have transcribed and recorded all the keyboard parts of Under A Glass Moon to a .MID file, so if anybody wan't me to post it so...
/Thomas
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 19:22:13 EST From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White) Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
I just got the audition tape today (thanks Tim!) andall I have to say is... THANK GOD JOHN ARCH DIDN'T GET THE JOB! you wanna hear somone screw up "Killing Hand" royally? Listen to him! I was doing some calc HW while doing err, listening to it, and I just burst out laughing when I heard him! I was listening on my headphones, and my roomie just looked at me like I was crazy, so I let him listen, and he started laughing too (he's a vacal major too) So everytime you think that Labrie kills Killing Hand, listen to John Arch's version :) Chris
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 16:33:57 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
John and Jonas from Sweden write:
>Are we the only ones who think that Charlie's voice is much more suitable for >DT's music than James's?
Yes.
Okay, so his high pitched screams might be a little annoying sometimes, but his studio work has no peer. Have you heard Chalie live? Suck City.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:02:01 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: X is better than Y
Timo Haanpaa writes:
<snip>
>Neither does Neil Peart do any double-bassdrum stuff, but where >the heck would he play it? Big Money? Nobody's Hero? Think about it.
Rush's music doesn't sound as driven by a good double bass rhythm like most of DT or a lot of (pre-Black) Metallica. But check out a section of the video for The Big Money (on the Chronicles vid.) In one ~3-sec shot, the camera is over Neil, and his <one> foot is pounding at the bass so damn fast (and in a complex rhythm) it blows me away! (I think it's at the beginning of the guitar solo.) You have to listen really hard in the song to hear it, though, because it just doesn't stand out.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:09:16 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: PERFECT SONG
Just about anything by Satriani!
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 94 17:06:23 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
: >>>As for Ulrich... ... he's had no formal training. >> >>Um... geee... What about all those lessons from um.... hm.... >>what was his name again... ~~~~~~~? >>NEIL PEART you moron!!!!!!! >>
>Sure moron... I don't know where you got that... he's never taken >lessons from Peart... and if he ever did... it sure doesn't show! So he >wasted some good money...
>Anyways... he still sucks when it comes down to it...
Actually, I think that second rumor was dispelled on alt.music.metallica some time ago.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 17:45:37 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> Subject: MEAT article about DT and James
ok, i have about half of it typed out. it's going to be a pretty large file. i don't know if anyone objects to sending it in one message. if someone objects, please let me know, and i'll split it up into several messages. how many lines should each message have?
i'll hopefully mail it out in a couple of days. tim.
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 23:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: steve wisinski <97WISINSKI@alma.edu> Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
i HAVE TO object severely. James is what turned me on to Dt. Don't get me wrong i think charlie had his place, but Dt has become so much more since james. i respect this opion, but personally i believe that James is the shits.
thanks for my two sence many looks for a price of less in our class of evil
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Date: Mon, 14 Mar 1994 23:49:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: Metropolis
This is something that I too have pondered, but I didn't think to ask. I was thinking that maybe it was called "...Part I..." just too see if anyone asked about it (like a hoax or something) (I could see Kevin doing that). But actually, I too was wondering. Also, I was wondering what others thought of the abrupt ending to Pull Me Under, the first time I hear it, I thought my CD player screwed up, and then when I realized that it was the song, I about died laughing. I'd just like to heaar what others thought of the ending (not like it is a major intellectual thought or anything). That's all for now!!! Party On fellow DT fans!!!
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On Mon, 14 Mar 1994 stefan-a@dsv.su.se wrote:
> Hello all fellow DT lovers! > Today a question sprang to my mind, a question that I think I haven't seen > discussed or answered anywhere. Here it is: > I believe the full title to the subject song is "Metropolis, part I - The > Miracle and the Sleeper". Does anybody know of any other parts to this song? > Maybe part II will be included on the fortcoming album? Maybe the full lyrics to > Metropolis were written when recording IAW, but not all of the music and then > they just put part I on that album? Well, lots of maybe's and no answers... I think it would be interesting if you could fill me in with your opinions on > my thoughts. Bye for now. > > - Stefan >
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 01:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: ASILVERM@umiami.ir.miami.edu Subject: Company of Wolves
Well, after reading the glowing mentions of COW, I was in my local CD shop and there it was, and me with my friend's portable CD player. . .I tried it out, and was surprised to hear some truly mundane hard rock. I'm really curious what exactly ye who loveth them sees in those guys. They were in no way progressive or out of the ordinary, not bad or anything but really nothing special. I don't think the comparisons to DT & the other classics mentioned are warranted. Just my humble opinion, & attempt to lower the percentage of Rush vs. DT posts!
Party on,
Aaron ASILVERM@UMIAMI
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 05:43:41 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> Subject: speculation
Anyone care to speculate what'll be on the next album?
I was thinking maybe A Change of Season, To Live Forever, and Metropolis part 2...that'd be pretty cool, and still leave room for 1 or 2 more songs...
Actually, as much as I'd like to hear a studio version of ACOS, I think it'd be best if they left it off the next album and just released it as an EP sometime. That way we'll have more room for new stuff...like Metropolis part 2.
-max ----------------- "You've gotta understand that this is home, and there's no tomorrow-land, and that I ain't Captain Walker."
"I would not, could not with a goat."
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:22:49 -0500 (EST) From: smm@uunet.uu.net (Steve Mansfield) Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
> Are we the only ones who think that Charlie's voice is much more suitable for > DT's music than James's? > Ok Charlie didn't have the same power in his voice that James has, but at > least he sounded special. He made the music sound like what we think DT > should be all about, symphonic metal. When you hear James sing "Killing Hand" > on LATM, you want to weep in your bed. His terrible high screams totally > eliminates all the emotions that Charlie brought into the song. Another > thing is his annoying vibrato, that in no way can replace Charlie's great > symphonic singing. BRING BACK CHARLIE!!!
No way. He sounds way too much like he's trying too hard to sound like Geddy lee half the time. From the few videos of him I've seen with the band, his stage presence sucked. I personally don't mind James' screaming, especially on The Killing Hand. It adds to the emotion, not takes away. As for him sounding special, no way. There is absolutely nothing special about his singing voice. Charlie's voice is anything *but* symphonic. As for James' vibrato, I take it you don't like Geoff Tate either?
Don't get me wrong, this isn't a flame, or a dig at Geddy (I personally find his voice really annoying, especially pre-operation) in any way, and you're perfectly entitled to your opinion, but some of what you said seems pretty obsurd.
Steve Mansfield | Once you're touched you stand alone to face the bitter fight smm@uunet.uu.net | Once I reached for love but now I reach for life. Dream Theater - Learning to Live
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:53:04 -0500 (EST) From: I Hate Grunge <pdaugher@bdmserver> Subject: When Dream and Day Unite
If you were considering getting this album, you better do it soon. CDC at holonet now only has one version of the album. They used to have 5 versions. (Version meaning import company, all versions have the same songs)
Also noticed that the only Fates album they have listed now is Parallels. I just ordered Noexit/AWG from them last week. Thank God it has been shipped already.
I guess the best advice is for non popular music it is best to get it when you can.
Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com D R E A M T H E A T E R THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 17:28:06 +0100 (MET) From: Markus"Mackan"Forsblom <tdi9001@abacus.hgs.se> Subject: Re: SiD?
> > Sorry to clutter the digest with this, but I know a lot of people here > subscribe to Screaming in Digital. I haven't gotten mine in a few weeks, > nor have I received any response from Shag when I wrote him to ask what was > up. Anyone know? > > Stacie
Well i'm getting the SiD.
What you got to do: Try to subscribe it again, it might work.
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 12:21:22 PST From: drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: RE: DT vs. Rush
Well... I think comparing two bands is quite an interesting topic... it kinda get's interesting except when people have nothing productive to say... But anyways in my overall opinion I don't think DT is any type of offshoot of Rush but more tied to Fates Warning...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 12:24:44 PST From: drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
>Are we the only ones who think that Charlie's voice is much more suitable for >DT's music than James's? >Ok Charlie didn't have the same power in his voice that James has, but at >least he sounded special. He made the music sound like what we think DT >should be all about, symphonic metal. When you hear James sing "Killing Hand" >on LATM, you want to weep in your bed. His terrible high screams totally >eliminates all the emotions that Charlie brought into the song. Another >thing is his annoying vibrato, that in no way can replace Charlie's great >symphonic singing. BRING BACK CHARLIE!!! > > >***************************************************************************** >* * >* In the Afterlife, will dark be bright * >* will cold be warm * * will James be gone? * >* * >* From: John and Jonas, Gothenburg, Sweden. * >* * >***************************************************************************** >
Negatory!!!! Charlie can bail!!!!
He just couldn't cut the highs... and he sounded kinda cheesy eh?!
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 18:19:45 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> Subject: DT's new CD
Well, just got some news about the new CD!!! This comes indirectly from a member of the band... I am not sure if I can say who my source is, or who there source is, but it is from a member of DT themselves... Here is a copy of the info that I have regarding the new DT CD:
[info about call deleted] > Of course, I didn't let him off the hook until he told me a little about how > the new album is coming. He said that they already have over 60 minutes of > new recorded material to choose from and that all of the songs are REALLY > long, one of them being a three part "trilogy". Unfortunately, "A Change Of > Seasons", "To Live Forever" and "Eve" will NOT be on the album according to > him. :( They feel the songs are kind of "old" now and they've written so > much new material that they're happy with, there's just not room for them > anymore. Oh well, maybe we'll get them as b-sides down the line somewhere. > He seemed quite disappointed about "Eve" not being included too. I can't > believe that I forgot to ask him if there's going to be a "Metropolis - Part > Two"!!!!!! ARGH!!!!!!! :P I really spaced on that one. Damn. Well, > hopefully I'll be talking to him again soon, [more info deleted]
Anyway, just thought that all of you would be interested in this. I think that this info can be taken as fact, since it is from a member of DT themselves...
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 18:29:53 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Metropolis
<<< Hello all fellow DT lovers! Today a question sprang to my mind, a question that I think I haven't seen discussed or answered anywhere. Here it is: I believe the full title to the subject song is "Metropolis, part I - The Miracle and the Sleeper". Does anybody know of any other parts to this song? Maybe part II will be included on the fortcoming album? Maybe the full lyrics to Metropolis were written when recording IAW, but not all of the music and then
they just put part I on that album? Well, lots of maybe's and no answers... I think it would be interesting if you could fill me in with your opinions on my thoughts. Bye for now. >>>
Well, I was thinking about Metropolis the other day, and I was thinking that A Change of Seasons was kind of in the same vein. While I don't think there is any mention of Miracle or the Sleeper, it is in the same epic vein.... I wouldn't be terriblely surprised if it isn't Metropolis II : A Change of Seasons. I would actually be a little surprised, but not shocked.
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 18:33:24 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: Bring back Charlie!
<<< When you hear James sing "Killing Hand" on LATM, you want to weep in your bed. His terrible high screams totally eliminates all the emotions that Charlie brought into the song. Another thing is his annoying vibrato, that in no way can replace Charlie's great symphonic singing. >>> Actually, I always thought it sounded like Charlie duffed the note in "A Killing Hand" and that James' version shows a lot more emotion. He screams in the same way every night so I think it's intentional....
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 15:56:03 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) Subject: Re: PERFECT SONG
La Villa Strangiato - you know who
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Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 20:18:56 CST From: Blake Butterworth <butterwo@cs.tulane.edu> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 346
> Geddy Lee = Sting > John Myung = GOD! > > No, John Myung = Stu Hamm wanna be
I'm really getting sick of all this John Myung is god crap. When Geddy Lee plays bass, you know he is playing bass. Of all the guys in DT, I hear Myung the least in the mix. And just because he plays a six string bass and puts a Stu Hamm exercise lick in one tune does not make him a god. Geddy Lee could write better bass lines in his sleep. I'm sure some guy will come along one day and play bass with his dick...who gives a shit. Myung has alot more to prove to me before I consider him the world's best bassist. Lee, for example, has written a whole hell of a lot more good music than Myung. If one considers playing fast licks and scales to be the only deciding factor in how good a musician one is, then Myung is good and so is Lee, but I'm sure there is still some poser out there who could dust them both easily. Making music is what makes the musician. This considered, along with the fact that Lee can still rip when he wants to, makes him one of and -still- one of the best bassists in rock IMO. I really like Dream Theater and Myung for that matter, but all the infantile arguments and comments in this mailing list are really starting to piss me off. Now, I'm starting to understand why some people dislike Rush just because of their fans. Blake
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 0:16:58 CST From: lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland) Subject: new cd boot!
i have had many people wanting to know about the new cd boot that i found. many of you might already have seen this, but it is easier to post this here.
It is called "Dream Out Loud", and is 1cd, recorded in Buffalo, NY 5/18/93. The source is soundboard for a live radio broadcast of the show. It has very nice packaging, with James on the cover, John P on the back, and on the picture disc. It is on Kiss the Stone label, a very good label IMHO.
The set list:
Metropolis Pt. 1 Under a Glass Moon Status Seeker (labelled "Nothing is Sacred") Wait for Sleep Surrounded Take the Time To Live Forever Drum Solo Another Day Pull Me Under Learning to Live
Total running time: 76:11
There is a cool little band history here, i guess i will post it soon. The quality is very very good. the number of the disc is KTS 243 if you know a store that carries Kiss the Stone discs. You can also order direct from Italy, email me and i can give you the address.
anyone wanting to trade for a copy, email me!
**************************************************************************** *Brian V. Cox *"You and I long to live like wind upon the water* *Texas A&M University * If we close our eyes, we'll maybe realize * *(214)553-9159 * There's more to life than what we have known * *lerxst@esy.com * And I can't believe I spent so long * *************************** Living lies I knew were wrong inside * * "What you believe is * I've just begun to see the light..." * * What you are...Therefore* -Queensryche "Anybody Listening?" * * I am nothing" -Brian * "Machines have no conscience..." -Qryche NM156 * ****************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 0:22:04 CST From: lerxst@Esy.COM (A Lerxst in Wonderland) Subject: band info
hi there..
i was going to type in the big band history from the new "Dream out Loud" cd, but i am feeling lazy, so i will only say the things that i didn't know. maybe they are in the faq, but hey.
dream theater's band names in between majesty and d.t.:
Glasser Mi and Magus
it says that "dream theater" (the original theater) is somewhere in california.
the band and mechanic records parted on good terms
other group that used the "majesty" name was based in las vegas
1000 copies of the majesty demo tapes were sold in <6 months
**************************************************************************** *Brian V. Cox *"You and I long to live like wind upon the water* *Texas A&M University * If we close our eyes, we'll maybe realize * *(214)553-9159 * There's more to life than what we have known * *lerxst@esy.com * And I can't believe I spent so long * *************************** Living lies I knew were wrong inside * * "What you believe is * I've just begun to see the light..." * * What you are...Therefore* -Queensryche "Anybody Listening?" * * I am nothing" -Brian * "Machines have no conscience..." -Qryche NM156 * ****************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:24:00 -0500 From: mariano.stalker@canrem.com (Mariano Stalker) Subject: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
-=> Ytsejam@bnf.com spewed forth to All about: Re: Porntoy vs. Ulrich?
Yt> True, Mike plays quite a bit of double-kick, but he's not heavy
Portnoy is a double bass FIEND!!! _Pull Me Under_ was totally ruined by the double bass -- totally out of context with the song. He plays a barrage of 16 notes, on and on and on and on.....
Ulritch does his solo for commic relief, he even says so. I think he's an ok drummer, but I've heard many better (Scott Rockenfield, Alex Van Halen, etc.) At least he's not pretentious like many idiots that can't play for shit.
> prepared for the solo of the century, but I was let down. His
One of the most interesting solo's I've heard was Alex Van Halen's on the last tour. He had all these wierd percussion instruments plus he triggered sequences off his drums to create an interesting melodic theme, it was great!!!
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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:08:54 EST From: stmpyjcat@aol.com Subject: New album news
I just heard from a good friend who talked to Kevin Moore this last weekend and I thought I'd pass this along:
"To Live Forever", "A Change of Seasons", and "Eve" will NOT be on the new album. They already have over 60 min. worth of new stuff down and this older material won't make it the the album. All the new tunes are long and there is even a 'trilogy' included.
StmpyJCat
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