Contents:
(Toshiyuki Mitsuji <tomitsuj@mtu.edu>)
Not Again!!! ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Mailing list (JMSISK@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU)
A Woman Speaks! ("Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>)
vocalist auditions.... (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Progressive metal (Matthew Robert Lawrence <mrl@cheshire.oxy.edu>)
LIVE Majesty shows ("TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU>)
RE:K. Higgins (JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>)
Re: Random Thoughts to enlighen and PISS YOU OFF! (JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU>)
Re: ? about bootleg tapes... (schew@tis.com)
Unsubscribe (gkohut@aol.com)
Re: DoE (svanhooser@aol.com)
Trouble with list? (MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU)
Re: dream out loud (drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
Re: dream out loud (drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
Re: dream out loud (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
King's X ("Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>)
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 12:44:29 -0500
From: Toshiyuki Mitsuji <tomitsuj@mtu.edu>
Subject:
Please put me on your list.
E-mail tomitsuj@mtu.edu
thanks
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Date: Wed, 23 Mar 1994 23:16:10 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
Subject: Not Again!!!
What's with this, I'm getting no mail from my fellow DT fans!!! Did the
subjects just die, or is the server down? In case the subjects died,
here's a new one. Does anyone know stuff about John Petrucci's wife (in
the way of the fact that she's also a guitarist)? I'd like to know if she
has any albums out, and if so, what label, availability, and is she good
!!! That's all for now, take it easy, and if all else fails, use a
sledge-hammer!!!! C Ya'!!
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According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 13:35:22 -0500
From: JMSISK@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Mailing list
Could you add me to the DT mailing list? Thank you.
Jason M. Sisk
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 21:35:00 EST
From: "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
Subject: A Woman Speaks!
Hi all you DT fans!
I've been reading mail here on the list for a while now and have seen NO
other women posting notes. I was wondering if I'm alone in that regard.
Just want to thank all of you for the enlightening and exciting
conversations, news, and debates. I think DT is the best. Their
musicianship and lyrics are outstanding contributions to modern music.
Talent AND intelligence - incredible! Thanks to StmpyJ for turning me on
to DT! And to all you guys who have restored my hope that there are
intelligent fans out there as well! Keep in touch... RebelDeb
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 23:02:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: vocalist auditions....
Well, if this actually ever makes it out...
I was wondering, does anyone know whatever happened to any of the
singers that DT auditioned when they gave the job to James...
I actually think that that Chris Cintron was pretty good, and
wondering if he ever made it with anyone else...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 1994 10:49:47 -0800 (PST) From: Matthew Robert Lawrence <mrl@cheshire.oxy.edu> Subject: Progressive metal
I know this is a little general for this group but I would be very interested to hear about any prog. metal bands past and present. Having recently found DT and the Galactic Cowboys I believe I have discovered my musical niche. Any additions to my admittedly small list would be greatly appreciated...
1. Queensryche 2. Dream Theater 3. Galactic Cowboys 4. Annihilator 5. King's X (not sure about this but appears to pop up on alt.fan.prog-metal all the time).
This list is in no particular order.
Another off the subject query is... can anyone recommend any of the Queensryche albums before Mindcrime? I have seen them a lot in used CD stores but am inordinately hesitant about purchasing them. Thanks in advance for your help.
Matt
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 1:06:54 -0500 (EST) From: "TIMOTHY LODGE, STUDENT GOVERNMENT PRESIDENT, CCSU" <LODGE_TIM@CSUSYS.CTSTATEU.EDU> Subject: LIVE Majesty shows
After listening to just 1 of my 2 live majesty shows, it is no wonder they dumped chris collins.... the faq says that he had "problems performing live". folks, this is the understatement of the year!!!!
this guy makes domonicci look good!! and thats saying alot!!!!!1
8)
Tim
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Subject: RE:K. Higgins
All I heard is that Alex Skolnick is going to record on the new Savatage album. I don't know what's going on after that. I am assuming that he will be working with Exibit-A but I'm really not certain.
As for the comment I made, "those people that trancribe music should get a life", was taken a little out of context. It refered to those people that sit with a pen and paper trying to ranscribe songs and were complaining about people haveing a good time at a Dream Theater show. I transribe music myself I wouldn't say people that transcribe should get a life. Just the loosers that go to see a band live just to get a better view at what the guitarist is doing the whole time and not getting into the music at all.
See Ya Tom Menegatos
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 09:48:41 -0400 (EDT) From: JUST TAKE MY HEART WHEN YOU GO <AMENEGAT@VAXC.STEVENS-TECH.EDU> Subject: Re: Random Thoughts to enlighen and PISS YOU OFF!
This note goes primarily to Bill Bajzec's reply to my note.
HOw bout reading the fucking letter before you actually try to put your half assed reply where dozens of people will see it jack-ass! I am a guitarist (which I believe I put in my post)
Considering my major influences are Gilbert, Skolnick, Petrucci, Malmsteen, Kotzen(Pre-Poison) etc. I would say that I appreciate guitarists that play fast. My point was that these players do more than play fast. They put a lot of emotion into their playing. Their solos are very melodic also. But then look at all these other players like Clapton, SRV, Hendrix, etc. these guys weren't nearly the shredders that the previous group was but they are still among the best that ever played. Guitar God = a great player Guitar God <> someone that can shoot out 8 measures of 64th notes without any theme or musical content.
It was also very kind of you to say that I was wrong about something I wrote then and then you would make the same point. Can you say ----------> MORON!
That is all I am going to say because I don't want to start a flame war. I just want to point out that this is how they start. (someone also said this a while back, sorry but i forgot who you where dude.) People start bashing other people without any fact or understanding.
See Ya Tom Menegatos
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 11:12:53 -0500 (EST) From: schew@tis.com Subject: Re: ? about bootleg tapes...
> >Hi there... I am posting this to several digests that I am on, so you >might have read this already... This doesn't have anything in >particular to do with any band, but w/ tapes in general... I was >wondering if anyone knew anything about the laws behind bootlegs... I >have heard different things from different people... I have heard that >it is legal to own and trade tapes, but not to sell them... I am not >sure about buying them. Someone also told me that if anyone (police, >or maybe even record companies) found out that you are selling them, >they can confiscate your entire collection... Does anyone know >anything about this, or the laws behind them... Also, if selling >tapes (and CDs) are illegal, how do bootleg shops stay open, how do >publications like GOLDMINE Magazine stay around, and how are there >record fairs across the country where people sell material... Any >help is greatly appreciated... > Well, there has been a big discussion about this sort of thing on the alt.music.progressive newsgroup recently. I didn't save the posts, but I think I can summarize the general replies. I'm not a legal expert though, so I can't really vouch for the accuracy of what people said. First, I'll mention what they said about copying official albums: Basically, the consensus was that it is definitely illegal to make copies of CDs (or tapes/vinyl/other media) and sell them without first getting the permission of the copyright holder. It is also probably illegal to make copies of CDs (tapes, etc) and trade them for things. It does seem to be legal to make your own personal copy of a CD which you then do not trade or sell (I think of this as being similar to making a 'backup' copy of software). But what about live recordings (bootlegs)? The question comes down to: Who owns the copyright on the live music? The consensus seemed to be that the musicians owned the copyright of the music, so it is not legal to make copies of the live performance without their official consent. Of course, then it would also be illegal to sell or trade such copies (without permission) since the copyright is owned by the musicians. It was not clear, however, whether it is only the person who actually made the copy who is committing the crime, or if it is also anyone who thereafter sells or trades a copy of that bootleg. As for buying bootlegs... I didn't see a clear answer to that in the discussions. The police seizing your collection was not really discussed, but I imagine that if they go through the proper channels they could at least seize the illegal recordings in your collection. Unfortunately, this sometimes may result in the police seizing an entire collection and then sifting through it for the illegal recordings (but that is an entirely different issue). Bootleg shops: I think you'll find that very few stores actually exclusively sell bootlegs. For most, it is a side business. The reason that they get away with it (from what people said in the other group) is because the record companies don't think it is worth the effort to try to stop them. You'll also find that GOLDMINE Magazine has recently began a policy of not allowing advertisers to advertise bootlegs in their magazine. Record fairs are probably similar to stores in that they don't generate enough competition by selling bootlegs to warrant the record company's attention. Since this is not very Dream Theater related, please reply to me via email. If there are sufficient responses I can post another summary. Also, if there are lawyers out there who have researched this, I'd be interested in hearing what you have to say. Please reply via email. There is a whole other issue about the ethical questions of whether buying bootlegs is "good" or not (regardless of the law). Many people argue that only diehard fans buy bootlegs and that trading tapes (of official or bootleg albums) actually increases interest in bands (and therefore sales). Others say that if the band does not want their music recorded without their permission then the fans should respect that. This is gone into in great detail in alt.music.progressive, so I'd really prefer that we didn't discuss it here. The ethical discussions tend to break down into flame wars and I'd really rather just talk about Dream Theater. :-)
I hope that helps answer people's questions.
Now, back to Dream Theater! I was wondering what section of Dream Theater's music caught people's attention most strongly when they first heard DT (I hope this question doesn't degenerate to flames. I'm just curious). I remember being awed at the entire I&W album when I first heard it, but the middle section of Metropolis Part I (where they go into that *amazing* instrumental) just riveted me to my headphones. Cool! I still grin when I think about it... And what's really amazing is that the entire album has held up in the light of that moment -- a truly fantastic, strong album. :-)
Steve
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 13:25:53 EST From: gkohut@aol.com Subject: Unsubscribe
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 94 16:29:13 EST From: svanhooser@aol.com Subject: Re: DoE
<<< Oh my gosh. I've never ever complained about Labrie before... But when I heard Under a Glass Moon on DoE... Well, it sucked. Anyone else agree? I love that song on I&W, but DoE's version is really bad. I like the rest of it so far (well, only heard up to SUrrounded, but hey :) Just thought I'd mention that and see if anyone else agrees. >>> Yeah, he blew that one note really badly, but give the guy a break. He sings very difficult material almost every day. I heard him after a two-week vacation and he sounds great (better than any bootleg I've heard) when rested.
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 18:21:37 -0500 From: MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Subject: Trouble with list?
To Don Olive: I too am a rabid Rush fan who cannot stand to read NMS. The psuedo-intellectual babble and the attitude (not shared by everyone on the list, of course) that 'every band but Rush blows' got on my nerves.
Did anyone else go the entire week without getting the list? The one I just got talks a lot about Alex Skolnick and Savatage, but I don't remember seeing the beginning of that topic, which leads me to think that I missed a bunch of digests.
Any help?
Mike
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 16:43:09 PST From: drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: Re: dream out loud
Dream Out Loud: here's my final analysis...
It is NOT recorded directly off the sound board. It is recorded with a digital medium, therefore it's better than average boot quality.
Major Faults:
The digital dynamic range has been set too high on this recording, therefore we have high gain clipping. (+4db possibly). The mics they used to record it were not premium either.
Major Pluses:
The crowd is excellent. Much better than most DT booots. The acoustic ambiance is the best of all DT live recordings. (considering reverb and size of venue). A powerful performance.
-The Doc
Overall a good recording. With my current set-up using once paramteric equalizer with one real-time digital equalizer and a DSP I was able to get it to sound better than good.
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Date: Fri, 25 Mar 1994 17:32:56 PST From: drkhoe@netcom8.netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) Subject: Re: dream out loud
Some word on bootlegs...
Dream Out Loud:
This disk is of good quality, the acoustic ambiance of the place it was recorded in suggests a fair sized venue and the crowd noise is much better than most live recordings. From what I can tell, it might have been recorded off the sound-board more likely not since there is a major fault of the recording which I don't think the engineers would have made, that is, it is recorded above the clipping level (+4db probably). You can hear it on the recording. It was probably recorded originally on a digital medium such as a portable DAT.
Dance of Eternity:
Recorded off sound board. Ambiance of the place suggests a small venue. Crowd is quite small. Recording quality is quite good. Cheezy reverb on James' voice is one low point.
For those with DSP's and Equalizers or studio editing rack effectrs:
With LaTM I used a "Stadium" like DSP setting to add depth to it which makes it sound REALLY good. Comparable to say Life After Death (Iron Maiden) or Live at Moscow (Yngwie Malmsteem).
For Dream Out Loud I had to use a parameteric equalizer AND an active digital equalizer to kind of tone down the inherent harshness and clipping-distortion, added DSP "Stadium" setting.
For Dance of Eternity I used my digital equalizer to reduce 400 hz to reduce that cheezy reverb effect on James voice and added DSP "Stadium" style delay.
These were all recorded to regular analog tape, although I do have a DAT but can't stand to waste DAT space.
-The Doc
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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 02:15:32 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: dream out loud
> i posted earlier about the new "dream out loud" boot i found. i think i > have determined it to not be a soundboard, but rather a very good tape off > the radio. it was definitely recorded off the soundboard originally,
I just bought the Dream Out Loud CD, and besides being TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY by the quality of the packaging and production, I too am convinced this is more than your usual FM radio boot. People ask sometimes, how can you tell Mike if it's an FM radio boot as opposed to a soundboard? Well aside from the common nautre of FM boots and the telltale static and/or bad reception, soundboard boots seem to operate "independent of the mix". FM boots meanhwile take full advanage of the mix, and usually sound very good as a result of it. However, this does not a true soundboard make.
There are three basic telltale signs I look for if a boot SOUNDS rich and full enough to be a 'board. If all three are present, it is virtually guaranteed to be a true soundboard tape. 1. Percussive elements. Toms, tocks, hihats, etc. Relatively minor percussive elements (compared to the always-strong snare and bass) shine on true soundboards whereas they drown in the mix in non-board tapes. 2. Voice. If it's a true board, it's standing right in front of you talking to you. There is NO ROOM for exception here. Voice is a giveaway.. even if you ear is not trained to hear, your mind will pick up the subtleties. and finally 3. separation of the instruments. If they stay separate and clear even in the worst of tonality and arrangement, they are indeed of a 'board.
It is my opinion that Dream Out Loud is off the board. I would suspect that a member of the radio station crew, which was responsible for linking it for broadcast, put his own personal tape recorder into the mix as a sort of sidecar. :)
> at times. the version of "status seeker" is great, with a new intro.
"mike, get funky..." hehe
> "pup" or "puppies on acid", the new intro to "take the time" is also > included. the galactic cowboys singing backup on "take the time" is also > there, since james talks about it, but i can't really hear them at all.
I noticed I couldn't hear them. But on videos from that part of te tour, they are definitely in there...
I wish there were more Galactic Cowboys boots!And I WISH someone would tape Type O Negative on this tour. When they came through Arizona last week, it was a 21-and-over show only and I am 20! (agony!!!!!)
Mike/garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sat, 26 Mar 1994 01:51:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> Subject: King's X
Brian Cox mentioned King's X and their upcoming tour plans. They'll be doing some dates with Pearl Jam including Atlanta two nights next weekend, and immediately after that they'll be playing c. 12 headlining dates up the East Coast, DC, NY, RI, CT, and Boston. If anyone wants them, I can post these dates; info from my friends' band Mutha's Day Out, who are privileged to be opening for them on this leg. :)
I wonder about labels' perceptions of bands like DT, GC and K'sX.... Are their sales -that- marginal? -sigh-
-- Paul W. Cashman | Before the leaves have fallen vanyel@crl.com | Before we lock the doors Dream Theater -------> | There must be the third and last dance "Metropolis Pt 1" | ...This one will last forever...
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