Contents:
Re: dream out loud (freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt))
Boots: Moon Bubbles (freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt))
Re: dream out loud (svanhooser@aol.com)
Re: Progressive metal (Lee T Sprague <lee@ecn.purdue.edu>)
Re: Trouble with list? ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Re: Progressive metal ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
Re: DoE (whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White))
more on bootlegs... (Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>)
Re: dream out loud (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 355 (mozo21@aol.com)
John P.'s wife (stmpyjcat@aol.com)
Re: ? about bootleg tapes... ("Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>)
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 9:07:14 MET
From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
Subject: Re: dream out loud
>
> Dream Out Loud: here's my final analysis...
>
> It is NOT recorded directly off the sound board.
> It is recorded with a digital medium, therefore it's better than average
> boot quality.
I got the CD and on the back it reads "add" - which means, its NOT
digital recorded, but digital mixed....
bye, Freak
*>>>> Freak is Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany <<<<*
# UUCP:freak@cubenet.sub.org FIDONET: Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 #
# voice: ++49-89-68 33 40 FAX: ++49-89-689 18 71 #
*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( ??! ) <<<<*
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 9:15:29 MET
From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
Subject: Boots: Moon Bubbles
Hi there,
as I said in .progressive.metal (I think) I'm about to buy the "Moon
Bubbles" 2-CD-Bootleg from Japan. But it costs 150,- Marks (should be
something about 80-90$), so can anybody tell me anything about its
quality?
bye, Freak
PS: Learning to live on Dream out loud is really good, I love the keys.
To bad, they cut of due to time problems on the CD....
*>>>> Freak is Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany <<<<*
# UUCP:freak@cubenet.sub.org FIDONET: Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66 #
# voice: ++49-89-68 33 40 FAX: ++49-89-689 18 71 #
*>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ( ??! ) <<<<*
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 10:57:16 EST
From: svanhooser@aol.com
Subject: Re: dream out loud
Is Dream Out Loud a DT bootleg? I missed the initial commentary.
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:45:33 -0500
From: Lee T Sprague <lee@ecn.purdue.edu>
Subject: Re: Progressive metal
someone recently posted their fav prog-metal bands, and was curious about
Queensryche before Mindcrime. I have all their studio albums, and think
Mindcrime is the best, followed by The Warning (their second I believe).
Rage for Order doesn't do anything for me, unless I just haven't heard it for
a year.
Now, in return, does anybody have a good description of what the Galactic
Cowboys or Annihilator sound like? I've heard of Galactic Cowboys, but
never HEARD them. Same with Annihilator. Please advise!
Lee
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:10:20 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Trouble with list?
Sure Nuff' I didn't get squat for the entire week! What's up with this???
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According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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On Sat, 26 Mar 1994 MEPATRIC@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU wrote:
> To Don Olive: I too am a rabid Rush fan who cannot stand to read NMS. The
> psuedo-intellectual babble and the attitude (not shared by everyone on the
> list, of course) that 'every band but Rush blows' got on my nerves.
>
> Did anyone else go the entire week without getting the list? The one I just
> got talks a lot about Alex Skolnick and Savatage, but I don't remember seeing
> the beginning of that topic, which leads me to think that I missed a bunch
> of digests.
>
> Any help?
>
> Mike
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 14:11:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
Subject: Re: Progressive metal
Fates Warning, Marillion just to add a few more.
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According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e,
a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4
sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
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On Sat, 26 Mar 1994, Matthew Robert Lawrence wrote:
> I know this is a little general for this group but I would be very
> interested to hear about any prog. metal bands past and present. Having
> recently found DT and the Galactic Cowboys I believe I have discovered my
> musical niche. Any additions to my admittedly small list would be greatly
> appreciated...
>
> 1. Queensryche
> 2. Dream Theater
> 3. Galactic Cowboys
> 4. Annihilator
> 5. King's X (not sure about this but appears to pop up on alt.fan.prog-metal
> all the time).
>
> This list is in no particular order.
>
> Another off the subject query is... can anyone recommend any of the
> Queensryche albums before Mindcrime? I have seen them a lot in used CD
> stores but am inordinately hesitant about purchasing them. Thanks in
> advance for your help.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 17:14:22 EST
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
Subject: Re: DoE
<<<
Oh my gosh. I've never ever complained about Labrie before... But when
I heard Under a Glass Moon on DoE... Well, it sucked. Anyone else agree?
I love that song on I&W, but DoE's version is really bad. I like the rest
of it so far (well, only heard up to SUrrounded, but hey :) Just thought
I'd mention that and see if anyone else agrees.
>>>
> Yeah, he blew that one note really badly, but give the guy a break. He sings
> very difficult material almost every day. I heard him after a two-week
> vacation and he sounds great (better than any bootleg I've heard) when
> rested.
No, I'm not bashing Labrie by any stretch of the imagination. He's a
great singer (if you doubt it, just imagine DT with John Arch as I said b4,
and you'll learn to love Labrie :) And I can imagine how tough it must be on
his voice to sing that material day in an day out. Just commenting how bad
that one song was though. *shudder* :)
Chris
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 19:34:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: more on bootlegs...
I have a few comments to make about some of the posts in yesterday's
YTSEJAM... when these get out, who knows, but here goes.
As far as DoE goes, I am almost sure that it is an audience recording,
and most other people have also said that... I don't quite see how
someone in the crowd can make such an incredible recording, but it
probably is audience... There are also a few parts where you can hear
someone in the crowd say something that you would definatly not be
able to hear if it was soundboard... put on you headphones, and
listen to the beginning of Forever... you can hear someone say "i ????
this song" there are several other things also... I know that I can
only hear this in my headphones... I can't hear them through my
speakers (BTW, they are Bose 301 speakers... not any cheap speakers).
As far as the ambience of some shows, I so far don;t have Dream Out
Loud on CD yet, so I can't say anything about that, but one of the
best sounding tapes that I have is from the Summerfest radio broadcast
in Milwaukee...
Anyway, that's about it for now... Now, let's see when this acutally
makes it out...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | The way your heart sounds makes all the difference | | It's what decides if you'll endure the pain that we all feel | | The way your heart beats makes all the difference | | In learning to live | | Dream Theater Learning To Live Images and Words | | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 18:07:22 -40962758 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> Subject: Re: dream out loud
> It is NOT recorded directly off the sound board. > It is recorded with a digital medium, therefore it's better than average > boot quality.
I find you are correct. It was liekly taped DAT off the radio.
Factors in favor: 1. The show was broadcast over the radio! 2. It sounds a LOT like Rush radio boots A Right to Passage and La Villa. 3. Soundboard tapes are a BIT hard to come by. 4. Yet, there is a depth to the guitar and bass that is not very easy to capture as an audience boot. It would require more mics than the average bootlegger could conceivably smuggle in, and trust me, I know firsthand.
It's an FM radio boot, like 99% of all Kiss The Stone CD's...
Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 22:40:37 EST From: mozo21@aol.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 355
Mike B asked about Cintron...
Well, here on Long Island he sang in a band called.... CINTRON. I don't know if they are still around, but I'll check.
Also on the subject of Bootlegs: Whenever I buy a blank tape, I pay a tax that goes to either record companies or publishers. What does this TAX entitle me to do. This could be a loophole, but I'm sure the record companies had it worded so we don't get anything in return for this Tax..
andy
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 94 22:41:58 EST From: stmpyjcat@aol.com Subject: John P.'s wife
|Does anyone know stuff about John Petrucci's wife (in |the way of the fact that she's also a guitarist)? I'd like to |know if she |has any albums out, and if so, what label, availability, and is |she good
I don't know her name but she's in an all-girl band called Meanstreak. They have a demo tape available but I couldn't begin to tell you how to get it and Mike Portnoy produced it. I don't know if she's good but a music-biz expert I know said,"It reeks!!!"
"Don't whiz on the electric fence!"
StmpyJCat
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Date: Sun, 27 Mar 1994 23:09:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Gary G. Moegling" <gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> Subject: Re: ? about bootleg tapes...
I think this info. about boots is cool!!! Please include me on any discussions of this, it is extremely interesting. As for the DT part, the first song I heard was PMU, but what really got me hooked was when I accidently put my friends tape on the wrong side, and rewound it (thinking that it was side one because the labeling on the tape was worn off), thus hearing Metropolis I, and thinking it was PMU (having only heard PMU once before), and I was totally blown away!!! Since I have heard many other DT songs that were not on I&W, and every song is totally killer!!! I have yet to find a DT song I don't like, and I hope that in the future it stays that way. I also agree with the band not releasing some of the songs they played live (ACOS, TLF) because it adds an extra something to making the effort to see them live (which I haven't had the opportunity to do yet). Also, the fact that the band doesn't want to release those songs because of the fact that it wouldn't be much of a progression musically is cool!!! New material gives them a fresh start, and that's eight to ten more DT songs to listen to, and not the same songs you've heard over and over. To sum it all up, I think thay are wise in thier ideas, and I support anything they choose to do (unless they decide to go country or rap <G>). That's my two cents for the time being!!! Take it easy fellow DT fans (including that one woman who is out there and has the guts to be the first on the list <APPLAUSE!!!>), and don't do anything I wouldn't do!!!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (i.e, a,a#,b,c,c#...g#,h,i,j,etc) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. Eric Moegling gmoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sat, 26 Mar 1994 schew@tis.com wrote:
> > > >Hi there... I am posting this to several digests that I am on, so you > >might have read this already... This doesn't have anything in > >particular to do with any band, but w/ tapes in general... I was > >wondering if anyone knew anything about the laws behind bootlegs... I > >have heard different things from different people... I have heard that > >it is legal to own and trade tapes, but not to sell them... I am not > >sure about buying them. Someone also told me that if anyone (police, > >or maybe even record companies) found out that you are selling them, > >they can confiscate your entire collection... Does anyone know > >anything about this, or the laws behind them... Also, if selling > >tapes (and CDs) are illegal, how do bootleg shops stay open, how do > >publications like GOLDMINE Magazine stay around, and how are there > >record fairs across the country where people sell material... Any > >help is greatly appreciated... > > > Well, there has been a big discussion about this sort of thing on > the alt.music.progressive newsgroup recently. I didn't save the posts, but > I think I can summarize the general replies. I'm not a legal expert though, > so I can't really vouch for the accuracy of what people said. > First, I'll mention what they said about copying official albums: > Basically, the consensus was that it is definitely illegal to make copies > of CDs (or tapes/vinyl/other media) and sell them without first getting > the permission of the copyright holder. It is also probably illegal to > make copies of CDs (tapes, etc) and trade them for things. It does seem > to be legal to make your own personal copy of a CD which you then do not > trade or sell (I think of this as being similar to making a 'backup' copy > of software). > But what about live recordings (bootlegs)? The question comes down > to: Who owns the copyright on the live music? The consensus seemed to be > that the musicians owned the copyright of the music, so it is not legal to > make copies of the live performance without their official consent. Of course, > then it would also be illegal to sell or trade such copies (without > permission) since the copyright is owned by the musicians. It was not clear, > however, whether it is only the person who actually made the copy who is > committing the crime, or if it is also anyone who thereafter sells or > trades a copy of that bootleg. As for buying bootlegs... I didn't see > a clear answer to that in the discussions. > The police seizing your collection was not really discussed, but > I imagine that if they go through the proper channels they could at least > seize the illegal recordings in your collection. Unfortunately, this > sometimes may result in the police seizing an entire collection and then > sifting through it for the illegal recordings (but that is an entirely > different issue). > Bootleg shops: I think you'll find that very few stores actually > exclusively sell bootlegs. For most, it is a side business. The reason > that they get away with it (from what people said in the other group) is > because the record companies don't think it is worth the effort to try to > stop them. You'll also find that GOLDMINE Magazine has recently began a > policy of not allowing advertisers to advertise bootlegs in their magazine. > Record fairs are probably similar to stores in that they don't generate > enough competition by selling bootlegs to warrant the record company's > attention. > Since this is not very Dream Theater related, please reply to me > via email. If there are sufficient responses I can post another summary. > Also, if there are lawyers out there who have researched this, I'd be > interested in hearing what you have to say. Please reply via email. > > There is a whole other issue about the ethical questions of whether > buying bootlegs is "good" or not (regardless of the law). Many people argue > that only diehard fans buy bootlegs and that trading tapes (of official or > bootleg albums) actually increases interest in bands (and therefore sales). > Others say that if the band does not want their music recorded without their > permission then the fans should respect that. This is gone into in great > detail in alt.music.progressive, so I'd really prefer that we didn't > discuss it here. The ethical discussions tend to break down into flame > wars and I'd really rather just talk about Dream Theater. :-) > > I hope that helps answer people's questions. > > Now, back to Dream Theater! I was wondering what section of > Dream Theater's music caught people's attention most strongly when they first > heard DT (I hope this question doesn't degenerate to flames. I'm just > curious). I remember being awed at the entire I&W album when I first > heard it, but the middle section of Metropolis Part I (where they go into > that *amazing* instrumental) just riveted me to my headphones. Cool! > I still grin when I think about it... And what's really amazing is > that the entire album has held up in the light of that moment -- a truly > fantastic, strong album. :-) > > > Steve > > > -- > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* > Steve / > \ Chew / / -- And you and I reach over the sun to > -- Wonderful, \\\' , / // the river. > wonderful, \\\//, _/ //, -- A smile costs nothing, but > most wonderful! \_-//' / //<, gives much. > \ /// <//` -- It's only the giving that makes > -- Convictions are / >> \\\`__/_ you what you are. > more dangerous /,)-^>> _\` \\\ -- Only through love changes come. > enemies of truth (/ \\ / \\\ > than lies. // _//\\\ -- Better to have loved and have lost, > ((` (( than never to have loved at all. > > schew@tis.com > *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* >
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