Contents:
Re: Rush vs. DT (Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>)
Re: Alex vs. Petruzzi (Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>)
Re: YTSEJAM digest 399 (khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson))
T-shirts, new address (Jeffery Seifert <seifert@math.tulane.edu>)
Re: ProgVMetal (drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh))
Re: Rush vs DT (Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>)
Re: diction (rtoscano@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Toscano))
Re: Fan club (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: Rush vs DT (Paul M Hudalla <huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>)
unsubscribe joshg24430@aol.com (JoshG24430@aol.com)
HUGE APOLOGY FROM ME !!!! SORRY GUYS :( (Anthony Tully <atully@jolt.mpx.com.au>)
Re: Alex vs. Petruzzi (Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>)
Re: Alex vs. Petrucci (zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill))
Re: YTSEJAM digest 399 (Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>)
Re: diction (Daniel Robinson <robindg@u.washington.edu>)
Speaking of Maiden... (alchemy@xmission.com (Anthony Chavez))
unsubscribe (Niclas Forsen INF <nforsen@ra.abo.fi>)
Where have I heard that before? (StmpyJCat@aol.com)
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 14:46:23 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Rush vs. DT
>member is trivial). Let's just hope DT doesn't sell out like Rush did. While
>mid-era Rush is still my favorite, I think that DT is by far the best band
>today (now that Rush, Yes, Queensryche, etc. suck). I really have high hopes
>for them. I+W is definitely the best second album by any band ever.
I think that Dream Theater has already sold out in a way. All the articles
I've read show that they compose their music for their audience rather than
just for music's sake. They just haven't achieved the attention of the media
(mainly MTV) yet. If they do, they'll probably become succesful, because eg.
Another Day IMO is not too a complex song for someone who is not familiar
with progressive music, which is the main reason for progressive bands not
to become very popular among "the ordinary people." (No one admits belonging
to that group. :-))
I won't mind if DT gets popular, I'd like to see them around for a
while. :-)
--
Timo Haanpaa, + Death is the first dance, eternal, deceit is the second
Finland + without end. The third is love, and love is the dance
thaanpaa@aton.abo.fi + of eternity. -- Dream Theater: Metropolis, Part I
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 15:11:25 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Timo Haanp{{ UPR <thaanpaa@ra.abo.fi>
Subject: Re: Alex vs. Petruzzi
>Petrucci may very well be better than Alex TECHNICALLY. However, if
>you've ever seen both of them play live I think that it's hard to deny
>that Lifeson plays with more artistical expression than Petrucci. Granted
>Petrucci's parts are about ten times harder to play, but something has to
>be said for musical style.
(I hope this is intelligent enough.) How do you define "artistic
expression?" Some people tend to think that fast playing is not artistic,
which is IMO wrong. You can play a lot of stuff and still sound good, just
go and listen John Williams, who is regarded the best acoustic player at the
moment. He plays twice as fast as P. And if that doesn't convince you,
I think "Another Hand" and "Bombay Vindaloo" show that Petrucci can play
slowly with a lot of feeling. Alex Lifeson is not a techically good player,
and even worse, his playing sounds quite messy to me, but he still is a good
guitarist, and I can't tell why.
Portnoy is quite equal in skill and style to Peart, impossible to
compare. Peart's drum solos are better, but they are not actual music, which
is far more important that posing. ;-)
Lee and Myung are also quite a tough case, because you can't usually
hear Myung very well. I think, however, that Geddy Lee plays melodic bass
lines, whereas Myung plays "blurrr."
As for LaBrie vs. Geddy, the comparison is unfair. Their singing
styles are completely different. Geddy has got a soft, quite high voice, a
lot of emotion. LaBrie has more range, but he loses the emotion when singing
high. IMO his voice is at its best in songs like Another Day, Wait for Sleep
or at the beginning or the end of surrounded (the "I know it's easier" thing).
I hope I've shown that comparing musicians is poinless. :-)
--
Timo Haanpaa, + Death is the first dance, eternal, deceit is the second
Finland + without end. The third is love, and love is the dance
thaanpaa@aton.abo.fi + of eternity. -- Dream Theater: Metropolis, Part I
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Date: Fri, 20 May 94 11:23:50 MDT
From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 399
Lifeson vs. Petrucci:
I think John has it all. Check out the IMPROVISED Bombay Vindaloo... Do
you think, even as tight as Rush is, they could make up a song like
that on the spot, good enough to warrent inclusion on a live
album? His "Barfbag" solo is also full of feel... When it slows down
before they jump into "A Fortune in Lies" Plus "Eve" is great also...
Myung vs. Lee:
Here, there is no comparisson either... Myung is so far beyond Lee
where chops and technique are concerned. The major difference,
which is why it's hard to compare them, is that Myung is often
hard to hear. Geddy really does carry every Rush song. He's
more prominent, but Myung, if given the opportunity, could burn him.
Tapping on a bass? Forget about it...
Portnoy vs. Peart:
I think Mike is what Neil should be.. A good drummer who likes to
show it off. I find his solos lack the melodic (melody on drums?)
content of Peart's, but that changed with his "LiT" solo... That
was great.
If you want to compare Kevin and James to Geddy... hahaha...
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:26:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeffery Seifert <seifert@math.tulane.edu>
Subject: T-shirts, new address
Just to let you know, I've got a new mailing address (hopefully, this isn't
too complicated for you to change and all of that):
Jeff Seifert
5512 Story Street
New Orleans, LA 70125
Sorry to hear about the lack of orders about it. I _suppose_ I can do
without the glow in the dark lettering, though... Are you still going to be
able to send shirts to members of the band?
--
,gPPR8, Jeff Seifert, graduate student extraordinaire
dl Y88b ----------
88bod8888 "Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already
Y88888888 tomorrow in Australia."
"8ggg8" -- Charles Schultz
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 11:36:41 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
Subject: Re: ProgVMetal
>I wouldn't go see them even if I got one of those tickets free...
>
>
>What a joke... Metallica...
>
>-The Doc
>_________
>
>OK, flamebait, care to give us some concrete reasons?
>
>
>Zach
Ha... I've already played that scene out... I use to flame the metallica
newsgroup till everyone was a crisp...
Last thing I wanna hear about is a sub-par band on a Dream Theater mailing
list...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 13:50:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
Subject: Re: Rush vs DT
I think the comment on LaBrie's diction is a reference to standard voice
training standards, and as such, LaBire has some problems enunciating all
of his consonants. FOr example, the line "I am the killing hand" from
LAtM sounds more like "I a the kih ih haaaaaaaaaa!" :)
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 20 May 94 15:12:24 PDT
From: rtoscano@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Toscano)
Subject: Re: diction
> I agree with your analysis of the singers Geddy and LaBrie with
>only one exception. That is your small comment on the diction of
>LaBrie. I wass wondering if this analysis came from an linguistically
>sound analysis or from comparison with your individual dialect. I
>personally have no qualms whatsoever with his dialect.
Do you know what diction is? It's got nothing to do with dialect.
When used in terms of singin, it describes how well the singer enunciates the
words which he is singing. LaBrie's diction is pretty bad - any time he sings
high, no matter what word he is supposed to be singing, the vowels all sound
like "aaa" as in "cat." Eg. in Metropolis - "Swimming in a lake of fahhh."
Not the best example, but the first one that comes to mind.
In his defense, I don't think diction is a very big deal. All my
favorite singers have somewhat bad diction (except Dickinson).
--
/\ Rich Toscano
/ \ rtoscano@icogsci1.ucsd.edu
/ \ \ -Guitarist of little or no note
/ ___\ \ -Evolver of dim-witted neural net creatures
/ / _____\
/_/________\ "Ook!" - Recital Boy
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Date: Fri, 20 May 94 15:12:39 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
Subject: Re: Fan club
Damn! I just deleted the address someone posted for the DT fanclub.
Please repost it.
thanks,
Zach
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 18:03:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul M Hudalla <huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: Rush vs DT
On Fri, 20 May 1994, Daniel Robinson wrote:
>
> I thought I'd send in my 2 bits.
>
> > Singing? Well, it depends what you want. Geddy: a technical mess with
> > more character to his voice than anyone should be allowed, or LaBrie:
> > perfect singer (except for his diction) that sounds like he belongs in the
> > opera. I think we better go with LaBrie (although I would rather hear
> > Geddy wail away, it wouldn't be fair to put LaBrie in second).
> >
> > Intelligent flames are welcomed :)
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------> the bungler: huda@gold.tc.umn.edu
>
> I agree with your analysis of the singers Geddy and LaBrie with
> only one exception. That is your small comment on the diction of
> LaBrie. I wass wondering if this analysis came from an linguistically
> sound analysis or from comparison with your individual dialect. I
> personally have no qualms whatsoever with his dialect.
>
>
> "Do or do not, there is no try."
>
> - Yoda
>
>
> --< Daniel Robinson (robindg@u.washington.edu) >--
I just have problems picking the lyrics out of the music at times. Maybe
it's just my ear, or maybe it was the vocal amplification at the shows that I
have seen him at.
--------->the bungler: huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu
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Date: Fri, 20 May 94 20:56:34 EDT
From: JoshG24430@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe joshg24430@aol.com
unsubscribe joshg24430@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 10:59:45 +1000 (EST)
From: Anthony Tully <atully@jolt.mpx.com.au>
Subject: HUGE APOLOGY FROM ME !!!! SORRY GUYS :(
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO TAKE THE TIME (NO PUN INTENDEED :) TO APOLOGISE FOR
MY STUPID POST OF YTSE 398 IN 399. I DIDN'T MEAN TO UPSET ANY1. KINDA
NEW AT THIS INTERNET POST NEWS THING. A QUICK QUESTION HOW DOES ONE
REPLY TO ONE LETTER IF THEY GET YTSE IN DIGEST FORMAT...WILL I NEED TO
CUT OUT EVERYTHING FIRST OR WILL I HAVE 2 UNSUBSCRIBE 2 THE DIGEST FORMAT???
Again I'm real sorry for that post...can u guys ever 4give me :) ...
what's the thing about the shirts...is it 2 late 2 order one...also any1
have the the phone# of the Dream Theater Fan Club...It's kinda important
that I get in touch with them...a FAX # would also b appreciated...Thanks
Again....
Cheers
Anthony.
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 23:14:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Alex vs. Petruzzi
Excerpts from mail: 20-May-94 Re: Alex vs. Petruzzi by Timo Haanp{{
UPR@ra.abo.
> I hope I've shown that comparing musicians is poinless. :-)
I just love all these DT vs Rush musician by musician
comparisons...every single one leaves out the guy who, IMO, makes DT
infinitely better than anyone else...
max
run live to fly fly to live do or die
run live to fly fly to live aces high
kill me
p.s. I need a drummer, bad. Mail me for info.
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Date: Fri, 20 May 94 20:44:24 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
Subject: Re: Alex vs. Petrucci
>Petrucci may very well be better than Alex TECHNICALLY. However, if
>you've ever seen both of them play live I think that it's hard to deny
>that Lifeson plays with more artistical expression than Petrucci. Granted
>Petrucci's parts are about ten times harder to play, but something has to
>be said for musical style.
(I hope this is intelligent enough.) How do you define "artistic
expression?" Some people tend to think that fast playing is not artistic,
which is IMO wrong. You can play a lot of stuff and still sound good, just
go and listen John Williams, who is regarded the best acoustic player at the
moment. He plays twice as fast as P. And if that doesn't convince you,
I think "Another Hand" and "Bombay Vindaloo" show that Petrucci can play
slowly with a lot of feeling. Alex Lifeson is not a techically good player,
and even worse, his playing sounds quite messy to me, but he still is a good
guitarist, and I can't tell why.
Why do you point out all of Alex's faults and then say he's a good
player? Could it be the way he makes the music *feel* (ie, artistic
expression). Too bad Alex was cursed with short, stubby fingers.
Why don't we compare P. to Charo while we're at it.
Portnoy is quite equal in skill and style to Peart, impossible to
compare. Peart's drum solos are better, but they are not actual music,
Not actual music? Now I know you're on crack.
which is far more important that posing. ;-)
Lee and Myung are also quite a tough case, because you can't usually
hear Myung very well. I think, however, that Geddy Lee plays melodic bass
lines, whereas Myung plays "blurrr."
Agreed.
As for LaBrie vs. Geddy, the comparison is unfair. Their singing
styles are completely different. Geddy has got a soft, quite high voice, a
lot of emotion. LaBrie has more range, but he loses the emotion when singing
high.IMO his voice is at its best in songs like Another Day, Wait for Sleep
or at the beginning or the end of surrounded (the "I know it's easier" thing).
Whaaat? I'm probably among the top three or four Rush fans
on this list but even I know when Geddy's [easily] beaten.
I hope I've shown that comparing musicians is poinless. :-)
Nope. You've merely added fuel to the fray.
--
Timo Haanpaa, + Death is the first dance, eternal, deceit is the second
Finland + without end. The third is love, and love is the dance
thaanpaa@aton.abo.fi + of eternity. -- Dream Theater: Metropolis, Part I
I've always wondered what the hell those lines are supposed to mean.
Zach
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 22:53:42 -40962758 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 399
> Lifeson vs. Petrucci:
>
> I think John has it all. Check out the IMPROVISED Bombay Vindaloo... Do
> you think, even as tight as Rush is, they could make up a song like
> that on the spot, good enough to warrent inclusion on a live
They have. In Seattle, WA at the Paramount Theater on October 25,
1976, (thankfully there exists a bootleg of this) they run into effects
problems trying to go into the Bytor/Necromancer medley after the song
Something For Nothing. For the lack of a better idea, they do an
instrumental jam right on the spot. It's a lot like Vindaloo actually, in
its bluesy, aural feel, but of course the melodies are different. These
days, however, Rush seems to be content with a "regular" setlist... one
of their high AND low points, as it allows better execution of the songs
but it starts to wear thin in a week or so.
Mike/garion@indirect.com/belar@aol.com/king@citadel.gov.riva
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Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 23:00:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Robinson <robindg@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: diction
On Fri, 20 May 1994, Richard Toscano wrote:
> Do you know what diction is? It's got nothing to do with dialect.
> When used in terms of singin, it describes how well the singer enunciates the
> words which he is singing. LaBrie's diction is pretty bad - any time he sings
> high, no matter what word he is supposed to be singing, the vowels all sound
> like "aaa" as in "cat." Eg. in Metropolis - "Swimming in a lake of fahhh."
> Not the best example, but the first one that comes to mind.
> In his defense, I don't think diction is a very big deal. All my
> favorite singers have somewhat bad diction (except Dickinson).
Diction is defined in the Websters New World Dictionary C. 1994 as
"manner of speaking or singing; enunciation." I do not want to start a
long argument, but dialects not having anything whatsoever to do with
enunciation? How a word is pronounced??? Mabye our understandings of
the definition simply differ.
I can agree with your analysis of the degeneration of LaBries
pronunciation, but I have yet to find a singer who can keep impeccably
well ennunciated words. So, I find it kind of hard to count that against
him.
"Do or do not, there is no try."
- Yoda
--< Daniel Robinson (robindg@u.washington.edu) >--
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Date: Sat, 21 May 94 02:25:26 MDT
From: alchemy@xmission.com (Anthony Chavez)
Subject: Speaking of Maiden...
This may be a few days off-topic, but I was wondering if anyone knows of an
Iron Maiden list?
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The Alchemist Anthony Chavez
alchemy@xmission.com Salt Lake Community College
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Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 12:50:17 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Niclas Forsen INF <nforsen@ra.abo.fi>
Subject: unsubscribe
unsubscribe nforsen@aton.abo.fi Niclas Forsen
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Date: Sat, 21 May 94 11:22:07 EDT
From: StmpyJCat@aol.com
Subject: Where have I heard that before?
Matt Leger wrote:
//New Pantera
album kicks ass.....//
Now where have I heard that before? Hmmm....maybe:
"The new Pantera album kicks ass! Uh, uh huh, uh huh, heh, heh!"
Oh, yeah! NOW I know where I've heard THAT before!!!
Sorry, Matt. I couldn't resist.
StmpyJCat
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