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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 07:53:18 -0500 (cdt)
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 09:05:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul M Hudalla <huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 399
On Sat, 21 May 1994, Zack Gemmill wrote:
> Portnoy vs. Peart:
>
> I think Mike is what Neil should be.. A good drummer who likes to
> show it off.
>
Sometimes less is better. I like the way Peart can drop back and
play a relatively normal beat. Many times this will help to capitalize on
an intense fill or even an entire section of a song.
------>the bungler: huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu
P.S. to all those who don't like DT/Rush comparisons simply delete the
message; it isn't that difficult. I don't know why DT/Rush
discussions wouldn't be appropriate for a DT mailing list. If you have more
interesting topics, suggest them to us so that we get our minds off of
comparing Rush to DT and onto your more interesting topic. If you don't
have a more interesting topic, sit back, shut up and let us have fun.
"I feel strongly about violence - LOVE IS A FIST!!!" - Mr. Bungle
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 10:37:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: gt8178b@prism.gatech.edu (Ty Shaw)
Subject: no subject (file transmission)
Hi.
I'd first like to tell everyone that I'm thrilled to have FINALLY found a Dream
Theater mailinglist on the 'net, because I've looked and looked for probably
nearly a year now. (I guess I just didn't look very good.) I've been lurking
for a couple months now and decided it's finally time to get into the fray.
So....
Mainly, I wanted to explain MY views on the Rush vs. DT (or maybe I should call
it DT vs Rush, considering who's list this IS) comparison. I have no intention
of slighting either band, because I really love BOTH. I'm a Rush fan from way
back (but who isn't?), but I've only been listening to DT since last July or
August (after someone from TMNS recommended I&W).
I honestly don't think you can go making comparisons like that. I'm of the
mind that considers Rush and DT to be bands from two different eras. Sure,
Rush is STILL playing, and they've constantly adapted their style to fit in
with whatever their fans want at the time. (Which is wise. I get sick of those "go back and make another album like Moving Pictures" types.) And even though
they've changed over the years, they're still just building on the foundations
of years ago.
Now look at Dream Theater, however. I know that John and John and Mike, at
least, cite Rush as a major influence in their musical development. So how
can it be fair to COMPARE them? I'm not saying that DT's building their skill
on Rush's shoulders or anything, but they admittedly drew influence from it,
and were able to work their way up from there. So, in my opinion, I honestly
consider DT to technically be better musicians than Rush, but I still think
the comparison is apples and oranges.
It's like choosing the better physicist between Newton and Einstein. But maybe
not quite as extreme. Heh.
Well, it makes sense to me. It's a silly discussion, anyway.
--Ty Shaw
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 10:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: gt8178b@prism.gatech.edu (Ty Shaw)
Subject: Rush
Hi.
I'd first like to tell everyone that I'm thrilled to have FINALLY found a Dream
Theater mailinglist on the 'net, because I've looked and looked for probably
nearly a year now. (I guess I just didn't look very good.) I've been lurking
for a couple months now and decided it's finally time to get into the fray.
So....
Mainly, I wanted to explain MY views on the Rush vs. DT (or maybe I should call
it DT vs Rush, considering who's list this IS) comparison. I have no intention
of slighting either band, because I really love BOTH. I'm a Rush fan from way
back (but who isn't?), but I've only been listening to DT since last July or
August (after someone from TMNS recommended I&W).
I honestly don't think you can go making comparisons like that. I'm of the
mind that considers Rush and DT to be bands from two different eras. Sure,
Rush is STILL playing, and they've constantly adapted their style to fit in
with whatever their fans want at the time. (Which is wise. I get sick of those "go back and make another album like Moving Pictures" types.) And even though
they've changed over the years, they're still just building on the foundations
of years ago.
Now look at Dream Theater, however. I know that John and John and Mike, at
least, cite Rush as a major influence in their musical development. So how
can it be fair to COMPARE them? I'm not saying that DT's building their skill
on Rush's shoulders or anything, but they admittedly drew influence from it,
and were able to work their way up from there. So, in my opinion, I honestly
consider DT to technically be better musicians than Rush, but I still think
the comparison is apples and oranges.
It's like choosing the better physicist between Newton and Einstein. But maybe
not quite as extreme. Heh.
Well, it makes sense to me. It's a silly discussion, anyway.
--Ty Shaw
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 10:40:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: gt8178b@prism.gatech.edu (Ty Shaw)
Subject: Pointless!
Hi.
I'd first like to tell everyone that I'm thrilled to have FINALLY found a Dream
Theater mailinglist on the 'net, because I've looked and looked for probably
nearly a year now. (I guess I just didn't look very good.) I've been lurking
for a couple months now and decided it's finally time to get into the fray.
So....
Mainly, I wanted to explain MY views on the Rush vs. DT (or maybe I should call
it DT vs Rush, considering who's list this IS) comparison. I have no intention
of slighting either band, because I really love BOTH. I'm a Rush fan from way
back (but who isn't?), but I've only been listening to DT since last July or
August (after someone from TMNS recommended I&W).
I honestly don't think you can go making comparisons like that. I'm of the
mind that considers Rush and DT to be bands from two different eras. Sure,
Rush is STILL playing, and they've constantly adapted their style to fit in
with whatever their fans want at the time. (Which is wise. I get sick of those "go back and make another album like Moving Pictures" types.) And even though
they've changed over the years, they're still just building on the foundations
of years ago.
Now look at Dream Theater, however. I know that John and John and Mike, at
least, cite Rush as a major influence in their musical development. So how
can it be fair to COMPARE them? I'm not saying that DT's building their skill
on Rush's shoulders or anything, but they admittedly drew influence from it,
and were able to work their way up from there. So, in my opinion, I honestly
consider DT to technically be better musicians than Rush, but I still think
the comparison is apples and oranges.
It's like choosing the better physicist between Newton and Einstein. But maybe
not quite as extreme. Heh.
Well, it makes sense to me. It's a silly discussion, anyway.
--Ty Shaw
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 16:55:28 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Thomas Jansson <d3thomas@dtek.chalmers.se>
Subject: NEW Transcription of Surrounded
Hello Ytsejammers!
I saw the posting of the chords/lyrics to Surrounded but noticed
that the chords were extremely inaccurate. So I felt that I had to
transcribe it myself... :)
Here is my transcription. Remember that you often can add 7- and 9-
notes to the chords. I've only added them at some important places.
If you got any questions just mail me.
Dream Theater : Surrounded (Chords/Lyrics)
--------------------------
Intro: Gsus2 x 2. Gsus2 Csus2 Gsus2 Csus2 one measure each.
Gsus2 Csus2 Gsus2 Csus2
Morning comes too early, and nighttime falls to late
Am Gadd9 Cadd9
And sometimes all I want to do is wait
Am Gadd9 Bm7 Am7
The shadow I've been hiding in has fled from me today
Cmaj7 D/C Bm7 Em7
I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye
Am G/B Cadd9
But I will raise a shelter to the sky
Am G/B Cadd9
And here beneath this star tonight I'll lie
Am7 G/B Cadd9 Dsus4
She will slowly yield the light as I awaken from the longest
G C/G D/G F/G G C/G D/G F/G G C/G D/G F/G
night
G C/G
Dreams are shaking, set sirens waking up tired eyes
D/G F/G
With the light the memories all rush into his head
G C/G
By a candle stands a mirror of his heart and soul, she dances
D/G F/G
She was dancing through the night above his bed
Em7 Dsus4
And walking to the window, he throws the shutters out against the
G C/G G Dsus4/G
wall
C/E Dsus4 G C/G D/G F/G
And from an ivory tower hears her call, "let light surround you"
G C/G
It's been a long, long time, he's had a while to think it over
D/G F/G
In the end he only sees the changes, Light to dark, Dark to light,
Light to dark, Dark to light
G C/G
Heaven must be more than this when angels waken with a kiss
D/G F/G
Sacred hearts can't take the pain but mine will never be the same
C/E Dsus4
He stands before the window, his shadow slowly fading from the
G C/G G Dsus4/G
wall
C/E Dsus4 G
And from an ivory tower hears her call, "let the light surround you"
Guitar solo (two measures each chord): G C D F G C D F
Am7 D/F# ( /E /D ) Em Em/D
Once lost but I was found when I heard the stained glass shatter
Aadd9/C# A/C# A7/C#
all around me
C G/B Am7 Gadd9
I sent the spirits tumbling down the hill
Em Em/D Aadd9/C# A/C# A7/C#
But I will hold this one on high above me still
Am7 G/B Cadd9 Dsus4
She whispers words to clear her mind I once could see but now at last I'm
G
blind
Cmaj7 D/C Bm7 Em7
I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye
Am G/B Cadd9
But I had given all that I could take
Am G/B Cadd9
And now I've only habits left to break
Am G/B C Cmaj7 Dsus4 D G
Tonight I'll still be lying here surrounded in all the light
/Thomas
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----|/--15------- Thomas Jansson - Gothenburg, Sweden ------* Depeche Mode *-
---/|------------- Chalmers University of Technology -------* Dream Theater *-
--/-|_---8------------ d3thomas@dtek.chalmers.se -----------* Genesis *-
-|--|-\-----------------------------------------------------------------------
\_|_/
j
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 11:04:18 MDT
From: "Jeffrey Ray Healey" <c-hjr@math.utah.edu>
Subject: Re:
unsubscribe ytsejam
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 11:17:22 MDT
From: "Jeffrey Ray Healey" <c-hjr@math.utah.edu>
Subject: unsubscribe ytsejam
unsubscribe c-hjr@math.utah.edu
unsubscribe spirit@physics.utah.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 15:55:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Anderson, Science Operations Specialist, STScI"
Subject: LaBrie's diction
>Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 00:01:55 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Daniel Robinson <robindg@u.washington.edu>
>Subject: Re: Rush vs DT
>
>> Singing? Well, it depends what you want. Geddy: a technical mess with
>> more character to his voice than anyone should be allowed, or LaBrie:
>> perfect singer (except for his diction) that sounds like he belongs in the
>> opera. I think we better go with LaBrie (although I would rather hear
>> Geddy wail away, it wouldn't be fair to put LaBrie in second).
>>
>> ---------------> the bungler: huda@gold.tc.umn.edu
>
> I agree with your analysis of the singers Geddy and LaBrie with
>only one exception. That is your small comment on the diction of
>LaBrie. I wass wondering if this analysis came from an linguistically
>sound analysis or from comparison with your individual dialect. I
>personally have no qualms whatsoever with his dialect.
>
> --< Daniel Robinson (robindg@u.washington.edu) >--
I have to agree with "the bungler:" James' voice sounds great, but when he
starts pushing his high end, his consonants start dropping out. Especially
noticable on "Another Day," for example. In fact, when I first bought I&W
(which was my first DT beyond what our local radio dweebs were willing to play,
i.e. "Pull Me Under" and almost nothing else), that was one of my very few/minor
complaints with the disc (the others being a bit too much double bass pedal and
the obviously "triggered" sound of the drums).
Chris Anderson
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 20:00:06 EDT
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
Subject: FW
I just picked up FW's No Exit and Awaken the Guardian. Might just be me,
but has FW ever considered doing just instrumentals? Havn't listend to
Guardian yet (I'm scared, Arch's their singer and I heard him on the DT
audition tapes *cringe*), but on Guardian (as well as Perfect Symmetry IMHO)
the music is great, but the singing is kinda weak. Anyone else agree with
this, or is it just me? :)
But so far it's really good :) (only 8 bucks each too, I was happy :)
Chris
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 17:33:35 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 399
On Sat, 21 May 1994, Zack Gemmill wrote:
> Portnoy vs. Peart:
>
> I think Mike is what Neil should be.. A good drummer who likes to
> show it off.
I didn't write this! I responded to it with a quote from
Neil about why Rush isn't doing concept albums anymore
(which I thought was appropriate): "Been there. Done that."
>
Sometimes less is better. I like the way Peart can drop back and
play a relatively normal beat. Many times this will help to capitalize on
an intense fill or even an entire section of a song.
------>the bungler: huda0004@gold.tc.umn.edu
P.S. to all those who don't like DT/Rush comparisons simply delete the
message; it isn't that difficult. I don't know why DT/Rush
discussions wouldn't be appropriate for a DT mailing list. If you have more
interesting topics, suggest them to us so that we get our minds off of
comparing Rush to DT and onto your more interesting topic. If you don't
have a more interesting topic, sit back, shut up and let us have fun.
Agreed.
Zach
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 18:53:17 MDT
From: "Jeffrey Ray Healey" <c-hjr@math.utah.edu>
Subject: Re: unsubscribe stgeorges@aol.com
unsubscribe spirit@physics.utah.edu
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Date: Mon, 23 May 94 18:01:53 PDT
From: rtoscano@icogsci1.UCSD.EDU (Richard Toscano)
Subject: Re: X vs. Y
Ok, is everybody finished bitching because there was a discussion regarding
the musical skill of both DT and Rush? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I had the
understanding that this was a mailing list to discuss DT. If some ytsejammers
would like to compare the members of DT with some of their other favorite
bands, who the fuck are you to tell them that they can't discuss it? If
you're not interested, read on.
--
/\ Rich Toscano
/ \ rtoscano@icogsci1.ucsd.edu
/ \ \ -Guitarist of little or no note
/ ___\ \ -Evolver of dim-witted neural net creatures
/ / _____\
/_/________\ "Ook!" - Recital Boy
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Date: Mon, 23 May 1994 23:43:46 -0500 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
Subject: Re: Surround Sound on I&W
> Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 13:14:14 -40962758 (MST)
> From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
> Subject: Re: D00D! (and a surround sound I&W question)
>
> Is there surround sound on I&W?
>
> It sounds like there is, though I'll accept other peoples' testimony on
> the subject as being just as valid as mine.
>
[stuff deleted]
>
> Gotta be plain surround, or pro-logic.
>
Wow... havn't had a chance to post lately... Well, I will try to see
if it has Pro-Logic tomorrow... I would try right now, but my
parents are asleep... My only problem might be my surround
speakers... I have cool Bose front speakers, but my rear speakers are
not the greatest...
Also, on a side note, about the CD co-op... The person who has been
doing most of the contacting with the companies finally heard back
from a few, and single CDs should be about $5-$7 (those are NOT
typos!!!) I am not sure exactly what will be available, and
unfortunatly, I am not sure how many DT CDs will be there, at least
from this company, but the prices are incredible!!! Write to me if
you would like some more info...
--
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| This world is spinning around me |
| This world is spinning without me |
| Every day sends future to past |
| Every breath leaves me one less to my last |
| Dream Theater Pull Me Under Images and Words |
| Michael Burstin Brandeis University |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Let's Go Pens Let's Go Pens Lets Go Pens Let's Go Pens |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
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