YTSEJAM Digest 588
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Off-subject
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
2) Re: WDADU - My fave DT album.............
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
3) East Bay DTers???
by Chad David Finke <cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
4) Re: WDADU - My fave DT album.............
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
5) Re: Dec. 9th Show in L.A.
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
6) DREAM THEATER
by Rene-Michel Faure <Rene-Michel.Faure@cpe.ipl.fr>
7) Re: Erotomania
by pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu>
8) James LaBrie
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
9) Awake Review
by <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
10) Re: DREAM THEATER
by Godsize@aol.com
11) Fates Warning tab
by "Paul Holloway" <pjhollow@wheel.watstar.uwaterloo.ca>
12) LA Show, Dec. 9th! - Ytsejam list gathering!
by Jason Hough <jhough@qualcomm.com>
13) Houston...
by MikeP81576@aol.com
14) LaBrie
by MikeP81576@aol.com
15) Dream Theater Kits!!!!!!
by buffalo@panix.com (C man)
16) Labrie Rules!
by Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
17) thoughts......
by Lifting Shadows Off A Dream <stahl@bigvax.alfred.edu>
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:31:06 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Off-subject
Message-ID: <9411150331.AA01344@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: Elizabeth Lynn Matuszek <toaster@locke.ccil.org>
>
> Sorry about the off-subject material, but there appear to be at least a
> few other Marillion fans here. Is there a Marillion mailing list? If
> there is, please mail me with info. Thanks,
>
Yeah, there's a Marillion mailing list, and it's even run on this site.
It's called "Freaks" and you can subscribe by sending
subscribe freaks Beth Matuszek
(if you're Beth, otherwise use your real name ;) to freaks-request@arastar.com
(don't use any words in the subject--use spaces or something like asdf
otherwise your subscription request will fail).
If you run into any probs you can email freaks-owner@arastar.com and I'll
help you.
-- Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold" David Sylvian--"Wave"------------------------------
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:18:50 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: WDADU - My fave DT album............. Message-ID: <8iluc_S00WB80oWZ5G@andrew.cmu.edu>
you apparently havent heard dominici sing metropolis part one live... or for that matter, anything...
slash wrists, scarlet fever -----------william bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu crawl under your bathroom door----------http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu pumping arteries ooze their problems---------------.edu/usr/wb2a/home through the gap the razor tore---------deal-with-it-----------derrick
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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:01:53 -0800 (PST) From: Chad David Finke <cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: East Bay DTers??? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9411142027.A15450-0100000@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
First, I just want to say thanks to everyone who e-mailed me with info on the Dec 1 show in San Francisco. Second, I was wondering if anyone else out there from the East Bay is going to the show? I've been told that the Warfield is in kind of a sucky area, and being new to the area (and California, and anywhere west of Iowa, to be honest!), I'm not real keen on trekking around at night trying to find the place. So, anyone out there interested in carpooling? I can provide a car and/or gas $$$. Let me know...
Oh yeah, I'm in Oakland, BTW.
"You shoot me in a dream, you better wake up and apologize" -- Mr. White
Chad Finke UC Berkeley, Boalt Hall School of Law cdfinke@uclink2.berkeley.edu
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 03:17 MST From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: WDADU - My fave DT album............. Message-ID: <m0r7KxD-0001hCC@rockymtn.net>
>> The vocals on songs like surrounded and >> others on I&W have this panting on it, sounding like the words don't >> come out of his mouth, just the air. The weakest point of DT is >> LaBrie. And the guy posting something about looking like Fabio is >> absolutely right. He was, is , and always will be a poser.
I think your definition of poser and mine must be quite different. I have _no_ intention of flaming _anyone_ here, but the term 'poser' to me was always reserved for bands (Poison, et all) that were hired for their face or because they 'fit the costume' (anybody here ever watch the Brady Bunch? hehe...). Whether or not they had talent was of secondary importance at best. If the record companies were lucky they might stumble onto someone that had talent as well as a face, but who cared as long as there were 13-year-old girls out there getting allowances.
I think that LaBrie is the most talented vocalist to be ripped from the unforgiving tendrils of opera and Broadway theater, to find a home in Rock and Roll in my lifetime. For too many years if you didn't have much talent at least there was RnR. That has changed because of bands like Rush, Yes and now DT and I think that DT is as lucky to have LaBrie as LaBrie is to have them. Perfect marriage IMHO.
>Hardly. Maybe in the past, but now he is quite impressive, especially
I agree. In the IRC interveiw Mike seemed to imply that they had some production/pr folks breathing on them a bit to make it big with that album and it seems like LaBrie, being the newest addition would have the most pressure on him and it would follow, the most direction. I think any 'poser' traits he might have had were probably more a function of what the producers wanted. I haven't seen any of those traits displayed in Live in Tokyo (the only live stuff I've seen, unfortunately)
>"weakest point of DT" ???? I really don't think they have a weak point.
Insert *hi-five* here... <grin>
>And the breathing into the mic in Surrounded et al is a great way of >making the vocals softer and more tender. Given, it is slightly overdone >at times, but it creates a nice mood, and makes a strong contrast to the >rest of the song.
Yeah, I'm sure there are folks that would call Geoff Tate a poser for his _very_ dramatic approach to his live performances, but I think that's exactly what the band wants to portray live and I think he does it well. I guess it all depends on your interperetation...
>G-Man
Ok, it was too long. Sorry, I'll shut up now.
Doug
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 03:22 MST From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dec. 9th Show in L.A. Message-ID: <m0r7L2N-0001hOC@rockymtn.net>
>I don't believe it!!! > >Scored front row seats! > >I'm not trying to brag....... but I had to tell someone!!! > >Thanks for listening.
hehe... Right on, dude!
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 9:43:55 WET From: Rene-Michel Faure <Rene-Michel.Faure@cpe.ipl.fr> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DREAM THEATER Message-ID: <199411150943.JAA07647@cpe.ipl.fr>
I would like to have some informations on DREAM THEATER
Thanks
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 02:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Erotomania Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91a.941115020523.6889A-100000@stein2.u.washington.edu>
On Mon, 14 Nov 1994 Godsize@aol.com wrote:
> Post it! Post it! Post it!
I second that!
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:09:05 -0500 From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: James LaBrie Message-ID: <9411151509.AA07742@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
I think LaBrie has a much better voice than Dominici. He has a young voice, and I think that's the reason that he screams too much. He's very into getting the crowd involved. Listening to WDADU and I&W, I can see that LaBrie brought a whole new dimension to DT.
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:14:03 -0500 From: <laferrie@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Awake Review Message-ID: <9411151514.AA07748@bashfull.usmcs.maine.edu>
Here's what Request magazine thought of Awake: Featuring multiple time changes, intricate guitar patterns, keyboard flourishes, and shimmering melodies, Awake (EastWest), the third album from New York City's DREAM THEATER, reinforces the band's gutsy stance against current hard-rock trends. The group's stylized approach and long, long songs are an acquired taste, but Awake offers plenty of heavy and haunting moments as well as superb musicianship.
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:47:11 -0500 From: Godsize@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DREAM THEATER Message-ID: <941115114708_8077055@aol.com>
The grestest song writers in the music business.
Trey
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:13:36 EST From: "Paul Holloway" <pjhollow@wheel.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Fates Warning tab Message-ID: <9411151813.AA27792@sail.uwaterloo.ca>
Any guitarists out there have a tab for Point Of View by Fates Warning? I've got the whole thing figured out for keys, except for a couple of fast runs during the solo. I'm posting this on alt.rnr.m.p as well.
Thanx
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:21:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jason Hough <jhough@qualcomm.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: LA Show, Dec. 9th! - Ytsejam list gathering! Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.941115131938.8168A-100000@happy.qualcomm.com>
Any of you going to the LA show on Dec 9th??? So far I've got a nice crowd of about 10 people going and we're all talking about meeting up before hand for dinner...
If you're interested please contact me! If you live in LA and can recommend somewhere good thats close to the Palace, let me know that as well!!!
Seeya there...
-Jason
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:59:49 -0500 From: MikeP81576@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Houston... Message-ID: <941115181142_105124@aol.com>
> I just bought my tickets for the Houston Show (11/18) on Satuday > night (I had to wait until I saved the money). Apparantly, the ticket > sales are not very good. I bought ticket #'s 111-113; I think the > place they're playing has a capacity of 600.
I thought from the Live in Tokyo video that Houston was a pretty big place for them. Isn't that where a lot of Mike's home video was shot? DT vs Danzig. Hmm... the greatest band on the planet or an Elvis impersonator on steroids. Not much of a choice.
And WHAT is up with them playing in shitholes that hold 200 people?????? I know that crowds and tastes vary across the country, but come on. I know it took Rush a LONG time to develope their following, but where are the 10k - 15k fans that pack all their shows. I know - at home on NMS typing in things like 'DT is no better than any other Rush cover band'. ARRRGGHHH!!!!!! When will DT get the respect (and the crowds) they deserve?
Mike P
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:59:53 -0500 From: MikeP81576@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: LaBrie Message-ID: <941115181147_105214@aol.com>
> Hardly. Maybe in the past, but now he is quite impressive, > especially his stage presence. I don't know about the I&W tour, > but in B-more on this tour, he OWNED the stage, except during > solos and instrumental sections of course. He has a very > commanding stage presence.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you have not seen LaBrie on this tour, THEN YOU HAVE NOT SEEN LABRIE. Period. I have never been a big fan of his, but he is simply fantastic on this tour.
Mike P
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:49:33 -0500 From: buffalo@panix.com (C man) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dream Theater Kits!!!!!! Message-ID: <aaee91b5120210048ca2@[198.7.7.109]>
Hey, folks:
Here's the list of the lucky winners of the Dream Theater special promotional kits. They're being mailed out as I write this (the posters will be mailed separately next week so be patient). Again, thanks for your "Top 10" Lists--they RULED!!!; EastWest digs them and they're sending them to the band soon! (And, yes, Jason, the t-shirts were sent to the band--I'll let you know what their reaction was when I hear back from them).
On another note: tell your friends to check out Dream Theater by CALLING:
1-800-757-ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's FREE!!!!!!!!!! TELL YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBORS, YOUR NEIGHBORS' FRIENDS, YOUR NEIGHBORS' PETS, YOUR NEIGHBORS' PETS' FRIENDS WHOSE OWNERS HAVEN'T HEARD OF DREAM THEATER, ........you know what I mean?
And now, the list:
Tim Altman Mike Bahr Adam Bertapelle Jeff Boerio Bill Bois Mike Bourgon Jason Breitweg Michael Burstin Paul Cashman Brian V.Cox Stephan Dobay Chris Freel Ties Goebel Jason Hartman Jason Hough Don Ivie Jon King Jeremy Lakatos Jody Levine Tim Lodge TIM LODGE Robert MacAusland Troy Melhase Doug Merrell Rohit Modak Brian Olson Michael Pomerleau Stacie Rosenzweig Brian Ross Jason Schechner Eugene Szucs William Wright KAI
See 'ya,
C man
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:09:53 -0600 (CST) From: Larry G Waterfield <mulgw1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Labrie Rules! Message-ID: <199411160109.AA23478@ecom3.ecn.bgu.edu>
> From: JOHAN_DALSRUD <94JOHAN@kihelektro.kih.no>
Where do I start?
> People have been butchering the original WDADU for along time, putting > the blame (mostly) on Dominici. What the f... is wrong with his > vocals ??
What's wrong? Just that his voice lacks any sort of strength and the only thing he has is that annoying scream. I think you have your names switched. That's my only explanation.
> Compared to LaBrie I personally prefer Dominici, mainly > because of LaBrie's girlie "screaming just to scream" voice. Another > thing that has annoyed me for a long time is LaBrie's breathing into > the mike. (Not Portnoy !!) The vocals on songs like surrounded and > others on I&W have this panting on it, sounding like the words don't > come out of his mouth, just the air. The weakest point of DT is > LaBrie.
Wow, I'm stumped. I fell in love with Labrie's voice as soon as I heard I&W, and he is currently my favorite vocalist. This guy is wonderful! That breathing that you hate; well, to me, it sounds soothing and heartfelt. I think you're missing the point. The whole damn point. Man.
> And the guy posting something about looking like Fabio is > absolutely right. He was, is , and always will be a poser.
_I_ was the guy that said that his album photo looked like Fabio, and I didn't mean it in a bad way. He is in no way a poser. Watch him live and in the videos: He only has one move, and that is to rock back and forth on the balls of his feet. Hardly the actions of a poser. Watch Brett Micheals sometime and compare.
By the way, I just LOVE WDADU, and I don't even mind Chuck's vocals, in context. To me, it's just another part of my Dream Theater collection. I don't make priorities for them. I'm just happy to have three albums of the stuff.
Just the first of many responses, I'm sure
Toodles! Glenn
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:41:14 EST From: Lifting Shadows Off A Dream <stahl@bigvax.alfred.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: thoughts...... Message-ID: <0098786A.D7B2B760.36@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Does anyone else agree that they should have jammed for about another 10 minutes at the end of innocence faded? the song is great but it could have been a whole lot better if they would have continued the jam!!!
Aslo commenting on the Dominici thread. I like WDADU alot.... I don't like it as much as I&W or Awake but it is still great. The main reason that I don't like it as much is because of the production. It sounds really muffeled and not as clear as the other 2 albums. Charlie is not a bad singer but i agree with what someone else said that he doesn't put as much feel and emotion in it as james does. just my 2 cents.
-mark
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