YTSEJAM Digest 533
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) DT tshirts
by donnell@epx.cis.umn.edu
2) Re: DT tshirts
by jpb@iti-oh.com (Jeremy Black)
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 531 (1 or 2 things)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
4) The National Midnight Star
by Markus Stahl <stahl@bigvax.alfred.edu>
5) I've got the Awake CD!!!
by Stefan Andersson <stefan-a@dsv.su.se>
6) Where's the DT WWW home page?
by Stefan Andersson <stefan-a@dsv.su.se>
7) Re: SDV
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) DT on HBB
by MikeP81576@aol.com
9) Attn: David Wruck!
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
10) repeat of old tour dates
by freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU
11) mail feed problems
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
12)
by
13) Re: SDV live
by AirDance@aol.com
14) Re: My song ratings on Awake
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) A few more things about Awake...
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) AWAKE...OUT NOW!
by Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 11:53:54 -0500
From: donnell@epx.cis.umn.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT tshirts
Message-ID: <0012e8c42a2001161@epx.cis.umn.edu>
hello,
Getting bogged down with pre-fall quarter work, I have not been able to
keep up with the digest until this issue and seem to have missed the
resolution of the mailing list tshirts (and am still in the process of
working through a 40 meg mail spool file...;)
Are these still available? If not, are there plans for a re-print?
Also, i noticed that tour dates are being discussed - anyone know when they
are going to be in Minneapolis or the surrounding area? It's been a while
and I need my live fix!
thanks for the info!
-brian
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BRIAN DONNELL (DIST.COMP.SERV, UNIV OF MINNESOTA) DONNELL@EPX.CIS.UMN.EDU
(the economy sig........."finger donnell@epx.cis.umn.edu" for the luxury model)
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 13:50:47 EDT
From: jpb@iti-oh.com (Jeremy Black)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT tshirts
Message-ID: <9409301750.AA05578@pdeserv.iti-oh.com>
Can someone who has the list, just post the entire known tour schedule?
It seems like we are getting alot of messages requesting specific dates
and I too would like to know the information for my area (Cincinnati).
But rather than flood the mail stream with all of these seperate messages,
it makes sense for someone to just send all of the info at one time.
Also, on another DT related topic, I would like to know if anyone has
information on the possibility of Awake entering the BMG channel of
distribution. I bought I&W through BMG and if it means waiting a couple
of months for Awake to save four or five bucks, I will do it. The more
I save, the more cd's I can buy and there is too many good cd's coming out
in the next couple of months to sacrifice missing one.
Thx,
Jeremy
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Topic No. 3
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:45:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 531 (1 or 2 things)
Message-ID: <199409291445.KAA10543@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Topic No. 12
>
> From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
> Subject: SDV
>
> Well, after listening to SDV many many times... I don't see any reason why
> it can't be played live... what a cop out... Another thing is, those of
> you on the IRC session heard that they WON'T be playing the Killing Hand
> live...
>
The reason that they won't play SDV live is not b/c they can't
musically. The reason is that SDV, in all senses, is Kevin's song.
He wrote it and it is a very personal song. Just listen to the way
that James is singing. James sings in the exact tones and way that
Kevin sung it on his origional demo of the song. Kevin basically
played SDV for the band and was, from what I hear and believe, quite
shocked that the rest of the band liked the song and wanted to record
it for Awake. This is why they won't play it live. As far as
Killing Hand, I believe the reason why they said that they will not
play it is b/c they are going to try to only play stuff from WDADU
that was not played on the I&W tour(s). That means probably only
Light Fuse... and The Ones Who Help... We all already have heard the
Killing Hand live, and it is one of the songs that was included on
LaTM. I am more looking forward to hearing (and hopefully recording)
LF&GA and TOWHTSTS, as well as hopefully Learning To Live, Metropolis
and whatever they do from I&W. (I'd really love to see Afterlife and
OAMOT, but I doubt it.)
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>
> Topic No. 23
>
> From: hartman larry <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
> Subject: Kevin rejoining DT
>
> Has anyone else ever given any thought to the possiblity of Kev rejoining
> the band? I mean I can see where he may have gotten bored with everything
> because they had been touring for over 1 year and then went right back into
> the studio. Maybe he didn't feel like going through that cycle again.
>
> Maybe after sitting home alone and seeing the rest of the guys making
> lots of money, playing all over the world, getting lots of publicity,
> and most importantly, having fun playing music, maybe he will want
> to get back into it? Maybe he would come back after this tour?
>
I really doubt it. Kevin left, unfortunatly, for very good reason. I
don't think that we will ever see Kevin back w/ DT, even just as a
guess keyboard player. Remember, Kevin is also, I think as we speak
(well type:), looking for guys to form a new band.
> I guess I still can't get over the fact that he left. I had finally found
> a band that I could call my favorite. I was finally a fanatic. Finding
> out that Kevin was leaving was like breaking up a long romance or getting
> a divorce. I still can't deal with it...
>
I think that that is really how alot of us feel. DT really is the
first band that I really, really liked and admired for their musical
talent as well as just liking their music. Obviously, alot of us are
fanatics (I'll be the first to admit that I am, if you couldn't guess
:) It really is difficult to understand why all of this happened.
Also, just remember, we are only the fans. Just imagine what it must
feel like for the band. It seems, from what I have heard, that the
rest of the guys, especially Mike P, really are having a tough time
also...
Well... that's about all for now... gotta get to class in a few
mins...
-- +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Caught In A Web | | Numb from the world | | Hanging on by a thread | | Scared of the life that fights in my head | | Dream Theater Caught In A Web Awake | | release date for Dream Theater's Awake: October 4, 1994 | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Michael Burstin Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu------------------------------
Topic No. 4
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 21:23:32 EST From: Markus Stahl <stahl@bigvax.alfred.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: The National Midnight Star Message-ID: <00985368.D234CE80.56@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Sorry for the Non-DT content but...... Anybody on this list also on Rush's mailing list "The National Midnight Star"? I haven't gotten an issue for about a month and I can't get onto the ftp or gopher site. What's going on? Anybody with info could you please e-mail me directly. Thanks
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Topic No. 5
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 20:54:48 +0100 From: Stefan Andersson <stefan-a@dsv.su.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: I've got the Awake CD!!! Message-ID: <199409291954.UAA10095@alvin.dsv.su.se>
Hello all you Ytsejammers!
Today just before 6 PM I visited a record store specialized in Metal in Stockholm, Sweden, hoping that they would have the Awake CD. Walking into that store right behind me was a guy with a package. Guess what was in that package... Yes, it was the Awake CD! I bought it right away, along with about 10 other DT'ers who were standing there waiting for it. So now I have it, though I haven't had the time to listen to it yet as I'm in school now. But I would like to tell you something about the cover and also say something about the booklet.
Well, first here's all the songs:
* 6.00 (5.31) - Music: Dream Theater, Lyrics: Kevin Moore * Caught in a web (5.28) - M: Dream Theater, L: James LaBrie & John Petrucci * Innocense faded (5.43) - M: Dream Theater, L: John Petrucci - A mind beside itself: * Erotomania (6.45) - M: Dream Theater * Voices (9.53) - M: Dream Theater, L: John Petrucci * The silent man (3.48) - M: John Petrucci, L: John Petrucci * The mirror (6.45) - M: Dream Theater, L: Mike Portnoy * Lie (6.34) - M: Dream Theater, L: Kevin Moore * Lifting shadows off a dream (6.05) - M: Dream Theater, L: John Myung * Scarred (11.00) - M: Dream Theater, L: John Petrucci * Space dye vest (7.29) - M: Kevin Moore, L: Kevin Moore
In the booklet there are no indications of who the other singer is on some of the songs (if it's not LaBrie) that's been discussed on the list. The only one who's listed as singing vocals ("voices") is LaBrie. Inside are all the lyrics along with the usual sleeve notes and some photos. There are 5 individual black/white pics, one group pic (color) and one big really cool color photo of the band jamming in the studio! The color pics are kinda "blueish".
About the cover: The back has a black/white pic inserted into some kind of metal thing that's lying on the ground, I think (it's hard to tell what it is). The front has the DT "logo" in yellow on the top with Awake beneath it in white. The front cover is made up of many different things, possibly referring to the lyrics as has also been discussed on the list. Among other things the cover features the Majesty logo, a mirror with a face, a spider in a web, a clock, a city and some kind of sculpture. The front cover also has the color tone of blue. The back cover has the color tone of yellow/orange.
Well, that's about all I can say about it for now. Now I'm heading home to wrap it into my CD player and find out what it sounds like. I'll be back in a few days to give my impressions on the music. See ya all then!
*************************************************************************** * Stefan Andersson * "The blind eye sees the * * Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences * fragile vandalised..." * * Stockholm University, Sweden * Marillion: * * e-mail: stefan-a@dsv.su.se * "The hollow man" * ***************************************************************************
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Topic No. 6
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 19:53:12 +0100 From: Stefan Andersson <stefan-a@dsv.su.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Where's the DT WWW home page? Message-ID: <199409291853.TAA09989@alvin.dsv.su.se>
Hi!
What's the address to the DT WWW home page?
*************************************************************************** * Stefan Andersson * "The blind eye sees the * * Dept. of Computer and Systems Sciences * fragile vandalised..." * * Stockholm University, Sweden * Marillion: * * e-mail: stefan-a@dsv.su.se * "The hollow man" * ***************************************************************************
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Topic No. 7
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 1994 10:42:42 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: SDV Message-ID: <199409291742.KAA15937@netcom9.netcom.com>
> >What!? I must be in a minority, because I think Awake is better than >IAW. It doesn't blow it away, but I think it sounds more coherent >and thoughtful. The subtilties on Awake blow me away. >
That's exactly what I think it's missing, the coherency that I&W had... It's one minute so far out in left field and then goes to something traditional Maybe it's the song arrangements...
>When I got the tape (thanks, Tim!), I told my buddy that I thought >it was better than IAW. Big mistake. He said something like "No >fuckin' way!" When we listened to it together, I could see that >he wasn't too impressed, but because of my comment combined with >his preconceived notion, I saw he wasn't listening to it as >attentively as he should have. He thought 6:00 sucked! Bastard. >
Well, honestly... I don't know what to say about 6:00...
>> Although SDV is a pretty good song... > >That's the understatement of the year! > >>
True, SDV is an incredible song... worthy of Dream Theater for all it's worth... a classic sans ACoS, Killing Hand, etc etc...
> >You suprise me Doc. I would've thought you'd like this album >better since you're such a Fates Warning advocate. Care to >expound on what you don't like about it as much? Someone >said before that they thought Erotomania wandered too much, >but after 20+ listens, I think it's a brilliant compositional >piece--- certainly no Ytse' Jam, but it's a lot more refined >and is a lot more complex. > > >Zach
Well, I'll refrain from more reviews till it's actually released and I listen to it about 100 more times...
Some comments:
What's with the Stryper melody at the end of Lifting Shadows off a Dream... heheheh...
Yngwie made a cameo in Erotomania! ;) Yes... Erotomania is incredible...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ Real: drkhoe@netcom.com + Virtual: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ *#$*@#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$
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Topic No. 8
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 94 22:50:02 EDT From: MikeP81576@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT on HBB Message-ID: <9409292250.tn74686@aol.com>
In addition to the Lie vid on HBB 10/1, word on AOL has it that they will appear on 10/8. Let's hope Rachmann has some intelligent questions this time around instead of "Golly, your songs sure are long."
Mike
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Topic No. 9
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 14:37:18 -0600 (MDT) From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Attn: David Wruck! Message-ID: <199409302037.OAA24848@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
We have a huge DT following here in Boulder, about 8 of us. We'll be there on Monday to get our tix, but e-mail me if you want to pre-party before the show. (Not too fucked-up, of course, it's DT and I need a clear head!) bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu -Adam
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Topic No. 10
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 15:42:09 C From: freel@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: repeat of old tour dates Message-ID: <00985402.4B699C60.9548@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU>
Since so many people have asked for it, I thought I might repost something that has appeared many times before...
!---------- >last night during the IRC Dream Theater conference, Mike Portnoy and John >Myung announced the following tour dates for their upcoming tour. These >are as confirmed as Mike could get and said they're subject to change. > >The tour starts October 20 and will run through the first or second week of >December, ending up in the Los Angeles area. The opening group will be > >> I Mother Earth <<. More dates will be announced soon, so keep an eye >out here. In January, the band will go to Japan and in February and March >they will be in Europe. They hope to do more dates in the US after that, >depending on how album sales are. > >TOUR DATES SO FAR: >10/20 providence RI The strand >10/21 boston berklee performance center >10/22 new haven, ct palace theater >10/24 buffalo, ny ct. saint armory >10/25 toronto, ca warehouse >10/27 baltimore hammerjacks >10/28 ny ny manhattan center >10/29 pittsburgh metropol >10/31 columbus, oh newport music hall >11/01 grand rapids, mi orbit room >11/04 milwaukee, wi ray's eagles auditorium >11/05 chicago vic theater >11/06 detroit state theater >11/08 minneapolis, mn mirage > > - Jeff > >-- >Jeff Boerio \\ URL: http://www.teleport.com/~boerio/ >Systems Programmer \\ You'll find other music pages, summer >Intel Corporation \\ concert tour schedules, and lots of time- >boerio@ichips.intel.com // wasting stuff. Check it out!! !-----------------------------------------------------------------
Tickets for most of these shows are now on sale... better call soon if you want to go and don't have tik's already!
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Topic No. 11
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 1994 21:20:46 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: freaks, ph7, ytsejam Subject: mail feed problems Message-ID: <9410010420.AA13546@anthor.arastar.com>
Arastar's mail feed has run into a problem with their Pentium-90 systems corrupting the hard drives of their systems. They've been working hard at fixing the problem for the last few days, and it kept looking like things would be operational in just a few more hours, so I didn't send anything to you.
My feed is normally reliable, and I'm confident that they'll resolve this problem soon. As soon as they do, the digests should fill out again (since mail will once again be able to reach this machine).
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Topic No. 12
-- Ken Bibb "Voices of angels filling our hearts jester@arastar.com With the truth of our blazing defiance" jester@crash.cts.com --Galadriel "The Gray Stones of Escalia"
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Topic No. 13
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 94 03:12:15 EDT From: AirDance@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: SDV live Message-ID: <9410010312.tn76802@aol.com>
Hi everyone-
drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) commented:
>>>Well, after listening to SDV many many times... I don't see any reason why it can't be played live...<<<
And zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) responded:
>>>I agree there.<<<
drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) also commented [IRT SDV not being played live]:
>>>what a cop out...<<<
The reason it isn't being played live is because Kevin wrote the song and it's about an experience that was very personal & painful for him, so they don't feel comfortable playing it without him in the band. I don't find that to be a "cop out", myself. I think it shows a lot of respect for Kevin and for what that song meant to him personally. I can't imagine seeing DT play that song without him behind the keyboards. That would be hard for *me* to take, as a fan... I can't imagine how difficult it would be for *them* to deal with.
SDV is kind of like Kevin's "swan song" to me and I think their decision not to play it live is a sound & thoughtful one.
Maybe one of these days, we *will* get the chance to see it played live... by Kevin. :) I hope so.
Jennifer ______________________________________ air dance@aol.com mriodom@delphi.com
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Topic No. 14
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 94 21:12:51 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: My song ratings on Awake Message-ID: <9410010412.AA26657@fas2.lsil.com>
> From ytsejam@arastar.com Sat Sep 24 20:12:45 1994 > Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 20:09:05 +0800 > Reply-To: ytsejam@arastar.com > Originator: ytsejam@arastar.com > Sender: ytsejam@arastar.com > From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> > > > Well, here's my (and mine only) rating of songs on Awake: > > 6:00 -- 9 (I love the intro, it's definitely catchy) > CIAW -- 8 > IF -- 5 > Eroto -- 6 > Voices -- 7 > Silent Man -- 8 > Mirror -- 8 > Lie -- 9 > LSOAD -- 9 > Scarred -- 8.5 > SDV -- 9.9997 (love it, but after LTL, it can't get a 10) > -Adam >
Eroto only got 6??? Listen again... Someone else said they thought the song wandered (I think, or maybye I'm making that up). It is definitely a well structured song. It just has so many different parts that it takes many listens to appreciate.
And I would put The Mirror above Lie and Scarred above LAOAD.
Zach
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Topic No. 15
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 03:30:46 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: A few more things about Awake... Message-ID: <199410011030.DAA22793@netcom6.netcom.com>
Alright, I'm gonna say this after listening to Awake at least more than 10 times...
It's downright revolutionary... it's not Images & Words, but a whole masterpiece in itself...
Anyone notice the Nearl Peart "Mystic Rhythms" drum riff in Voices?
Space Dye Vest... phew...
I'm still trying to decide if Awake is better than Inside Out (Fates Warning), I still think IO has the edge... -The Doc
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Topic No. 16
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 13:04:15 +0100 (MET) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: AWAKE...OUT NOW! Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9410011315.A6934-0100000@mumrik.nada.kth.se>
Yes, yes, yes!
Finally AWAKE hit the Swedish stores yesterday (30/9-94)!
Balls & chunk!
/Matt
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