YTSEJAM digest 545

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Fri Oct 07 1994 - 09:51:00 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 545

    Topics covered in this issue include:

      1) Re: your mail
            by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
      2) Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
            by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
      3) Awake
            by MattMiz@aol.com
      4) Re:Asleep
            by dh2q@hrzpub.th-darmstadt.de
      5) Song Meanings
            by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
      6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 542
            by Edward Neal Haag <enhaag@uncc.edu>
      7) Re: Awake
            by rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
      8) Re: SPACE DYE VEST: figured one of em out...
            by Jeremy Longley <jcl1008@cus.cam.ac.uk>
      9) Not REAL DT fans!?!?!?!?!?
            by MattMiz@aol.com
     10) Re: Vai's "Still My Bleeding ...
            by Godsize@aol.com
     11) Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
            by PMCDOWEL@UTCVM.UTC.EDU
     12) Re: Big Question about Survey...
            by Godsize@aol.com
     13) DT is DT
            by Godsize@aol.com
     14) Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
            by Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
     15) Re: your mail
            by jking@peabody.eece.unm.edu
     16) Re: Where is Awake?
            by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
     17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 542
            by ST40V@Jetson.UH.EDU
     18) What is a SDV
            by Godsize@aol.com
     19) Re: Where is Awake?
            by Slim Intoxicado <lepage@ug.cs.dal.ca>
     20) Headbanger's Ball (10/8) plus
            by buffalo@panix.com (C man)
     21) Dream Theater photo
            by buffalo@panix.com (C man)
     22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 533
            by <okuda@active.elcom.nitech.ac.jp>
     23) Re: Who's Cassandra???
            by James Arthur McCormack <mccorm@leland.Stanford.EDU>
     24) Awake???
            by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
     25) Re: Voices
            by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
     26) Re: My thoughts....
            by Kelly Johnson <kelly@ENG.Trimble.COM>
     27) Re: Awake (what else)
            by Kelly Johnson <kelly@ENG.Trimble.COM>
     28) Re: --> Tuscon AZ Tour Date! <--
            by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>

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    Topic No. 1

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:53:16 -0500 (CDT)
    From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: your mail
    Message-ID: <199410070853.DAA09645@galaxy.galstar.com>

    > listens. I also wished that Moore had layed off the retro-70s
    > Yes-inspired keyboard tones. Nothing against a classic,
    > analog sound but I don't feel that this sound is appropriate
    > in progressive metal. As for my finale assessment of Awake,

    Heh its funny, but on some parts of A Mind Beside Itself I can hear Jon
    Anderson come in on Heart of the Sunrise... weird huh? It just has that
    feel to it I guess.

    > (I forget his name) is replacing Moore on the tour.

    No he's not... :) that's old news. :)
    its someone named Derek Sherian or something, ex-Kiss and Alice in Chains
    keyboardist, who's known not to like progressive music. Weird eh?

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    Topic No. 2

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:55:38 -0500 (CDT)
    From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
    Message-ID: <199410070855.DAA09688@galaxy.galstar.com>

    > Just heard it a few minutes ago! It sounds like nothing
    > from Empire. Definitely progressive and heavy, and it has
    > excellent percussion, I might add. I knew they could do it!
    > Real World kind of had me worried there for a while...

    whats the name of the CD gonna be and whats the first single? And when's
    the release date?

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    Topic No. 3

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 00:31:06 EDT
    From: MattMiz@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Awake
    Message-ID: <9410070031.tn40222@aol.com>

    WOW!

    I must say that when the first reviews of Awake started to hit the 'net I was
    pretty concerned that it would suck. I can now quite happily say that after
    listening to Awake but one time it is without a doubt one of the most fucking
    awesome works I've ever heard. I can't imagibe how it could've been done any
    better. I'm glad the naysayers were wrong. My only regret (sadly) is that
    we'll never get to see Kevin play any of it.

    Later,

    -M.

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    Topic No. 4

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 14:04:25 +0100 (MET)
    From: dh2q@hrzpub.th-darmstadt.de
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re:Asleep
    Message-ID: <9410071304.AA28204@rs22>

    > Ah, you find it hard to believe that its possible to have a wider
    > musical interest than just Dream Theater? I like most music but
    > my favourites sure are Dream Theater, Depeche Mode and _early_ Genesis.

    My musical interest isn't that narrow, but i'm not going to type in all
    my favourite bands. I think the major problem here is, that we have a totally
    different musical background. I was always interested in real heavy stuff.
    So i went with that heavy music from Jimi H., Who, Led Zep., Cream (which
    is IMO the beginning of heavy metal) over to Deep P., RUSH!!!, YES, ...
    over to Jud.Pr., Black Sabb., ... over to Metallica, Met. Ch., Anthrax,
    Testament, ... up to our generation right now with DT, QR, Psych. Waltz,
    Ministry, FW!!!!, ...
    Sorry for my too hard flaming, but it was early in the morning and it was
    right after a night listening to the new one.
    I've always been and up until now I AM a metalhead and i think even
    scientists should be allowed to be!!!
    WHAT i actually wanted to say is that i can't follow your thoughts because
    i think we live in other musical universes (maybe parallel ones).

    Sorry !

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    Topic No. 5

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 08:05:27 -0500
    From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Song Meanings
    Message-ID: <199410071305.IAA00344@o231-03.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>

    Time to see just how badly I can be wrong, eh?

    -6:00

    After a few listens, I began to see this one as
    Kevin's way of explaining why he left the band,
    and why he stayed with it for as long as he did,
    feeling it was something he owed them
    ("got promises to keep and wood to chop (i.e. a
    job to do) before he sleeps"). Other lines seem
    to support this ("turns the music down but just can't
    seem to shake that sound" couldn't get his own music
    out of his head, "answer the call while you
    still hear at all because nobody will if you won't"
    his eventual decision to leave).

    CiaW and IF I haven't listened to or studied the lyrics enough

    -A Mind Beside Itself

    I figure there must be some reason why they chose
    Erotomania as a title for a song, since this is
    one band that doesn't dwell on sex as a topic for songs,
    unlike most others... "Voices" seems to be about
    someone that could have been in "The Wall"...
    I'm not sure how "The Silent Man" fits in at all...

    And there's the bell. will return later

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    Topic No. 6

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:23:01 -0400
    From: Edward Neal Haag <enhaag@uncc.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 542
    Message-ID: <199410071423.KAA11120@ws249.uncc.edu>

    Hey gang! I haven't posted but a couple of times since I
    subscribed, but I will now. I tried to post on Tues. but
    the server was acting up and wouldn't send it. Anyhow, I
    felt it necessary to skip my History of Rock Music class
    on Tuesday to go and get my copy of AWAKE. Just a couple
    of comments:

    - 6:00 - Cool drum/guitar intro. I was immediately struck
    by how much heavier their sound was. I knew from all the
    posts going on by those people who had advance copies of
    the album that it was heavier, but I didn't expect this!
    Anyway, 6:00 is a great song.

    - Caught In A Web - This song is good, but to me it's kind
    of passe. To me, this song is a 'typical' rock song to me
    if Dream Theater can write a 'typical' song. For me, this
    song is AWAKE's version of "Wait for Sleep', good but not
    exceptional.

    - Innocence Faded - I like this song better than Caught in
    a Web, but it too is a little common sounding. Cool keys
    though.

    - Erotomania - I think this is one of the best rock instrumentals
    that I have heard in I don't know when! No flames please,
    but IMHO it is better than Ytsejam. I do agree though with
    others who have posted that it does wander in spots.

    - Voices - Love the intro. Very dramatic. I do think though
    that this song also drags a bit. I do like it though.

    - The Silent Man - Sorry if others don't, but I love songs
    like this, with only a few instruments and a good rock ballad.
    This song adds a nice contrast to the heavy stuff. At least
    this osng can stand on it's own, I don't think I can listen
    to 'Wait for Sleep' w/o listening to LtL.

    - The Mirror- Another really heavy track. It totally ROCKS!
    Who says keyboards don't belong in heavy metal? Don't start
    a flame war, I know Dream Theater is in the "category" of
    progressive metal. This is so far one of my favorites on
    this disc.

    - Lie - I don't see what all the flames were about relating
    to this song. Of course I still haven't heard the radio version
    because it seems the DJ's in Charlotte don't take requests of this
    nature too often. I really think Lie is one of the stronger songs
    on this disc. It seems to stick in my head whenever I listen
    to it. The lead-in from the Mirror is sudden but cool. The outro
    is really good. (was this the part left out of the single?)

    - Lifting Shadows off a Dream - I like the song but I think
    this is probably the weakest song on the disc at this point
    of my listening experience with this disc. It never really
    grabs at me and demands my attention.

    - Scarred - Great song. Great music. Nuff said.

    - Space-Dye Vest - I am even more impressed with Kev than I was
    before. The man can write some really great songs musically
    and lyrically. I can't say enough about his talent. His leaving
    is a greater blow to Dream Theater than most people think. I do
    respect his decision to leave, but I don't have to like it.

    Other misc. comments:
    I have been listening to this disc nonstop since Tues. (today
    being Friday), so I think I have definitely given this disc
    a fair listening to. (probaby heard it all the way through
    about 12 times, scattered songs more). These comments of
    course are just one man's opinion, and are not being forced
    on anybody. Any comments, questions, discussions welcome.
    If you have read this review with an open mind, I thank
    you very much.

    Aaron
    "Take the Glory,
     Steal the Prize,
     Only the Hunter Survives" - GTR - 'The Hunter'

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    Topic No. 7

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:44:01 +22304916 (CDT)
    From: rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Awake
    Message-ID: <9410071544.AA09007@stu.beloit.edu>

    Somebody said :
    > >PPS: How many of you have made DT-fans out of your
    > >girlfriends/boyfriends?

    My boyfriend is a huge Pixies fan, which is the total opposite of DT, so
    there's no hope. He looked at the I&W cover, called it pretentious, and
    then looked at the Awake cover, called it somewhat leass than pretentious,
    then listened to Awake (which I broke down and went to musicland and got --
    turned out to be $13 on sale...) and didn't care for it. He did like the
    first few minutes of Caught in a Web, though (thought it sounded strangely
    like Faith No More)...

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    Topic No. 8

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 17:32:10 +0100 (BST)
    From: Jeremy Longley <jcl1008@cus.cam.ac.uk>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: SPACE DYE VEST: figured one of em out...
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.941007173056.15320A-100000@apus.cus.cam.ac.uk>

    On Fri, 7 Oct 1994, Ken Bibb wrote:

    >
    > > From: Jason Hough <jhough@qualcomm.com>
    > >
    > > Dont know if anyone posted this yet, but....
    > >
    > > The sound sample that comes in at about 2:05 or so is Julian Sands from
    > > the movie "Boxing Helena". I'm about 99% sure of it.
    >
    > Uuhhhh.....No :)
    >
    > That's Julian Sands (a guy, not a lady like someone suggested) playing
    > George Emerson in "A Room With a View". That's the scene that he has with
    > Helena Bonham Carter (I watched that scene in the movie to verify--I also
    > can show how close it is to the original text of the book if anyone's
    > interested).
    >
    > The "he" that is refered to is the character played by Daniel Day-Lewis.
    >

    When I first heard that sample, I immediatly thought it was from Boxing
    Helena; I saw the film a month ago, and if that section is not from the
    film, then it is VERY close to it.

    Cheerz, Jezza.
       _ _
      (_)___ ________ _| | Jeremy Longley - jcl1008@cus.cam.ac.uk
      | / -_)_ /_ / _` |_| Selwyn College
     _/ \___/__/__\__,_(_) Cambridge Sattinger's Law:
    |__/ It works better if you plug it in...

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    Topic No. 9

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 12:45:21 EDT
    From: MattMiz@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Not REAL DT fans!?!?!?!?!?
    Message-ID: <9410071245.tn71352@aol.com>

    Jason H. states:

    "Also, I really don't understand how people can say "Oh yeah I put the
    disc in and listened to it straight though and I knew that it was
    100 times better than I&W's!!!" How in the hell can you people make
    such decisions so fast ??!! You obviously don't listen to the music
    with as much thought and depth as the rest of us REAL DT fans.

    Am I the on person that was hoping for Images and Words Part II?"

    Not to flame, but I think (IMO anyway) it just lept out and "spoke" to me
    immediately. In general a lot of prog gets slagged for having too much
    musical and not enough emotional content. I think the emotional content and
    feel (relative to both lyric and music) is just far too overwhelming from
    minute one to not be bedazzled. The hook in CiaW and all of SDV, as well as
    James' guttaral growling in Lie...that shit just "says" something to me.
     They SOUND like they MEAN it, which I think was (in spots) lacking on IaW.
     "Not a real DT fan?!?!?!?!" Excuse me, myself and a loy of my friends
    reading this w/me take high offense to that comment. Did we miss the
    Official DT fan test or something? I fully consider myself a REAL DT fan; I
    have tons of boots and such and stay well on top of everything they do. I DO
    listen to the music, BTW. Again, not to slag, but REAL DT fans should
    welcome this new album and its new direction (which really isn't all that
    different.) After all, it is PROGRESSIVE rock; shouldn't it actually
    progress.

    Later,

    -M.

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    Topic No. 10

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 14:56:00 EDT
    From: Godsize@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Vai's "Still My Bleeding ...
    Message-ID: <9410071456.tn81097@aol.com>

    I agree with Stephen. I really do like VAI but he does get too repetative
    towards the end of his songs.
    Still My Bleeding Heart is probably my favorite but I never listen to the
    last two minutes of it because it really gets boring.

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    Topic No. 11

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 15:31:20 EDT
    From: PMCDOWEL@UTCVM.UTC.EDU
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
    Message-ID: <9410071936.AA20449@anthor.arastar.com>

          For those 'ryche fans that are wondering, the Queensryche album
    The Promised Land should be released October 18, with the first single
    I am I already released to radio. A few questions about this: Does anybody
    know anything about this album, like how long it is and if The Real World
    is on it? Also, has anyone seen a video for I am I yet?

                                          ------Patrick

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    Topic No. 12

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 15:04:32 EDT
    From: Godsize@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Big Question about Survey...
    Message-ID: <9410071504.tn81719@aol.com>

    I mentioned Ytsejam.

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    Topic No. 13

    Date: Fri, 07 Oct 94 15:28:52 EDT
    From: Godsize@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: DT is DT
    Message-ID: <9410071528.tn83334@aol.com>

    Everyone is really trying to compare all the DT songs to other bands songs.
     I think every song on this album sounds like Dream Theater. Every guitar
    part sounds like something that John Petrucci would do. Every bass part
    sounds like something that John Myung would do. Every keyboard part sounds
    like something that Kevin Moore would do. Every vocal line sounds like
    something James Labrie would do. And every drum part, ironically enough,
    sounds like something that Mike Portnoy would do.

    Did anyone else notice how in GFTPM how they said that the song writing in
    SDV was just silly? That really pissed me off. Cracking on Kev like that.
     As we all know he is great. Did this make anyone else mad?

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    Topic No. 14

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 94 16:11:20 EDT
    From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: New Queensryche single on the radio!
    Message-ID: <199410072011.QAA10624@xi.cs.fsu.edu>

    William Wright asked:

    > whats the name of the CD gonna be and whats the first single? And when's
    > the release date?
    >

    Okay, William. The name of the CD is The Promised Land. The first single
    is called "I am I" and this is all _supposed_ to be coming out exactly TWO
    weeks from the release of _AWAKE_, OCT. 18. The first single is really
    rhythmic and progressive sounding. I wonder whether it will all be this
    progressive sounding. (ytsejammers) Are any of you guys going to get the
    copy earlier than this proposed release date? This isn't really as big to
    me as DT, but it really would be neat to listen before any one else does.

    There you are,
    Doug M.

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    Topic No. 15

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:04:24 -0600
    From: jking@peabody.eece.unm.edu
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: your mail
    Message-ID: <9410072104.AA08134@peabody.eece.unm.edu>

    On Oct 7, 12:08, William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> wrote:
    } Subject: Re: your mail
    >>its someone named Derek Sherian or something, ex-Kiss and Alice in Chains
    >>keyboardist, who's known not to like progressive music. Weird eh?

    That's Alice Cooper, not Alice in Chains (big difference).

    [Regarding new QR single/CD]
    >>whats the name of the CD gonna be and whats the first single? And
    >>when's the release date?

    In that order,

      1) _The Promised Land_
      2) "I am I"
      3) October 18 (Tuesday)

    See ya,

    Jon (jking@loca.eece.unm.edu)

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    Topic No. 16

    Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 15:57:26 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Where is Awake?
    Message-ID: <9410072257.AA15580@malibu.sfu.ca>

    >
    > Does anyone know in which places Awake wasn't released on tuesday and
    > why? Did anyone in Canada get one (I got screwed in Calgary, Alberta)?
    > Please respond to this question!
    >
    the dj for the FOX (here in vancouver) said that the album will be in
    stores in late october, or early november.

    lucky i'm getting mine from japan :)



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