YTSEJAM Digest 573
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Promised Land nonDT
by Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
2) Re: Honor of God WHO?
by Godsize@aol.com
3) Apology and Songs done live- Mild Spoiler
by "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) portnoy
by jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
5) Re: M.E.A.T. article
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
6) Re: concert pictures
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
7) Re: Labrie
by V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
8) Re: M.E.A.T. article
by "Gregory Bodnar" <gbodnar@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
9) subscription
by Rebecca Jean Tait <coramdeo@chopin.udel.edu>
10) Re: DT B-More -- Spoilers
by G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
11) Thanks!
by Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca>
12) Re: Promised Land nonDT
by Godsize@aol.com
13) Re: "Scarred" Missing on Tape
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
14) Re: Promised Land nonDT
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
15) CD math
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
16) correction
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
17) Labrie
by 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 572
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
19) Re: "Scarred" Missing on Tape
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
20) Re: Promised Land nonDT
by "Tor Houghton" <torh@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 572
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
22) The Results...
by goebel@baracuda.inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 15:24:42 EST
From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Promised Land nonDT
Message-ID: <199410302024.PAA25500@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
>
>
> > I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off after
> > WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW.
> > Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed money. I
> > have lost all respect for them.
>
> Hmm.... well I wouldn't say it "SUCKS" but I am very disapointed... I
> bought PL and Empire the same day (I had never heard QR before) and I
> have listend to Empire a LOT! Needless to say, it rocks. but PL I don't
> really like. Boring almost, especially for a progressive band. I'm used
> to being at the edge of my seat with John P.'s guitar riffs, but on this
> album I find myself falling asleep. I don't see what all those hardcore
> Rychers see in it over at the Screaming in Digital mailing list.
>
Hey people!
I feel like there is too much tension starting up over this new Queensryche:
Promised Land release. I thought we were all quite open minded around here
8). I can understand the concern as to where their direction is headed, but
to totally "go-off" on one of the BIGGEST progressive bands in America is a
little much for a progressive music fan. I just could be able to see their
point of view a little better, but Promised Land is a quite aptly-named title
for the "concept" of the album.
P. L. isn't really on as much of the heavy side as Counterparts and Awake
are, BUT is that a really good reason to just ignore the material totally?!
An introspective, thought-provoking album was something I was looking for
from them since there has been so much going on in the world around us, and
them. Experiences seem to dictate the expressions of a musician and an
artist of any type for that matter. Can I hear some positive, intelligent
thoughts that we, as progressives, should be listening for and finding in the
lyrics of their music? This really was a "strain" on their emotions and
friendships, IMHO, to HAVE to write about these feelings as a means of
understanding some of the reasons why. It was NOT hard to write and play as
they had the material just setting there, like a volcano ready to BLOW!
One of my thoughts on the overall view of Queensryche as a progressive band
since the release of Promised Land.
Each person's view on the album as a whole is shadowed by the fact that there
is STILL EMOTION in THEIR MUSIC. The emotion in many of the songs are of the
feeling of desperation and speculation about themselves. The writers were in
so much of a situation with what they were feeling that this is how they
express it. Music that's slow and moody and intended combine with lyrics
that are purposeful and sometimes sorrowful make for a very dramatic piece of
music.
Sorry for length, but I just had to get this off my chest.
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** DOUG MERRELL | Rock || **
** | 'N' || **
** COMPUTER SCIENCE | Roll || **
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"We are the priests, of the temples of syrinx,
Our great computers fill the hallowed halls." -- N. Peart
"Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding
a pool in the shape of a heart." -- K. Moore
"She can turn a drop of water, into an ocean." -- J. Myung
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 15:36:34 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Honor of God WHO?
Message-ID: <9410301536235842219@aol.com>
I thought it sounded like Mary Jane.
Trey
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 16:01:02 -0500
From: "backof michael ( bs ifsm)" <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Apology and Songs done live- Mild Spoiler
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.90.941030154503.5369A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Sorry to those who wanted everyone to post "spoiler" in the titles of the
messages, I wrote the Baltimore Show message at two in the morning after
the concert, I was dead tired. Just wanted to get the info out to those
inquiring minds on here. I'm not used to seeing a band this early in
their tour, unsually by the time I get to post info, everyone knows all
of the set lists.
Mild SPOILER!!!
Ok,
The songs off the first album that have been performed live are
as follows. (These are all sung by James)
A Fortune in Lies (performed early 93 and for most of the tour, found on
Live at the Marquee and Dance of Eternity)
Status Seeker (performed at the Summerfest show in Milwaukee 6/29/93,
I think this is on the Dream Out Loud set also,
its that one or Lords of Sound)
The Ytse Jam (performed early 93 and during most of the tour til the
end. Found on Dance of Eternity and Lost in the Sky)
The Killing Hand (performed on and off through the tour, found on Live at
the Marquee, Dance of Eternity, Home Sweet Home)
Light Fuse and Get Away (Never done live, though in interviews they are
possibly going to do it during this tour)
Afterlife (End of last tour with Mission Impossible intro, found on
Lost in the Sky)
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun (done live a few times on Awake tour, I
saw them do it in Baltimore, most people
didn't get it, I was one of the few singing
along)
Only A Matter of Time (found on Lost in the Sky, and Home Sweet Home)
I too have thought about putting this collection together as a live tape
with James on vocal, but I'm waiting for them to do Light Fuse, be
interesting to see what James does with the vocals.
Mike
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 18:01:04 -0500
From: jsg140@psu.edu (Jason Gianni)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: portnoy
Message-ID: <199410302300.AA28568@genesis.ait.psu.edu>
I've heard a lot about Mike being from New Jersey. Can someone tell me
what town, or area, in New Jersey he is from? Thanks..........
-Jason-
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:21:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: M.E.A.T. article
Message-ID: <9410302221.AA03384@malibu.sfu.ca>
thanks a lot for typing in the article. it was interesting.
Funny, how the interviewer mentioned WDADU as their first album,
and then later referred to I&W as their first and Awake as their
second, totally forgetting about WDADU.
It was great to learn that there will be a Vancouver date, too.
I was a bit worried there. :)
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 17:04:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Re: concert pictures
Message-ID: <199410302204.RAA05382@rasp.cs.brandeis.edu>
Just to follow up on someone's question about taking pictures at a
concert... Everything depends on where you are, security, etc.
I bought disposable panoramic Kodak 400 speed cameras, and they didn't
turn out too well. I was very close to the stage for both shows, and
they just didn't work well. I really think that you need a flash,
which could be problematic if the place doesn't allow cameras.
I was able to easily sneek a camera in, but in Providence, I think the
guard saw me taking a picture, sent aother guard in, and he
confiscated a camera from someone standing 2 feet away from me.
If the place allows cameras, bring a good one in... If not, a
disposable one will have to do, unless you are up for risking it being
confiscated... Unlike a recorder, which can be very well hidden, a
camera can't.
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| Racing the clock to please everyone |
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 18:39:12 EDT
From: V C Morrison <UGVMORRI@ECUVM.CIS.ECU.EDU>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Labrie
Message-ID: <m0r1jvy-0001RQC@crash.cts.com>
I think that's pretty unlikely, since Helloween is (was?) a german band
and Labrie is..what...from Canada?
Incidentally, I love Helloween. Does anyone know if they produced any other
albums after Keeper of the Seven Keys Part ][?
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to live forever."
-Dream Theater
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 17:57:39 -0700 (MST)
From: "Gregory Bodnar" <gbodnar@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: M.E.A.T. article
Message-ID: <199410310057.SAA111358@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Thanks for the article. People do really appreciate the work you put in
for us. I have one question though. You mentioned three Canadian dates,
the closest of which to me is Vancouver. When they come back to North
America, are they gonna play any other Canadian venues? I've never had
the chance to see DT before, and i still haven't been able to find When
Dream and Day Unite. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Greg
gbodnar@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:58:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Rebecca Jean Tait <coramdeo@chopin.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: subscription
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410302053.A25757-0100000@chopin.udel.edu>
Greetings from Newark, DE! A friend of mine who is a fellow Dream
Theatre fan gave me your address and I would appreciate it if you could
make me a part of your mailing list. Thanks and God Bless!
Rebecca Tait
coramdeo@chopin.udel.edu
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 22:33:08 -0500 (EST)
From: G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: DT B-More -- Spoilers
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410302249.A2334-0100000@strauss.udel.edu>
On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Stephan Dobay wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Oct 1994, Phil Felicia wrote:
>
> >
> > [Nothing like answering a question with a question, but...I'm answerless]
> > Did anyone catch what was being sung/spoken at the end of the drum solo?
> >
> Do you mean that kinda rap like beat thing towards the end? I'm not sure
> what was being said (something like-Here we're going to get wicked), but
> I know that I've heard it before on the end of a song called 'Bring the
> Noise' that Anthrax did with Chuck D.
>
> --Stephan
> --sdobay@wam.umd.edu
What I got was "Hear the drummer get wick-ed!" -- isn't that some kind of
rap song? I'm not the person to ask about rap, but it seems familiar.
G
| Garrett M Sanborne Univ of Delaware | "I can't hold on any longer |
| =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | These feelings keep growing |
| Dream Theater * Rush * Queensryche * | stronger." |
| * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * etc ... | - Dream Theater, Caught in a Web |
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 00:29:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Keast Michael J <4mjk@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Thanks!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410310000.A23206-0100000@qlink>
A big thank you to everyone who emailed me and thanked me for posting the
DT article from M.E.A.T. magazine. Glad to know my efforts were appreciated!
Mike
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 00:36:25 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Promised Land nonDT
Message-ID: <9410310025076120541@aol.com>
Well I used to be a huge QR fan and I loved Empire and Operation Mindcrime.
But I just can't believe that they put forth their best effort on this and I
am really disappointed. I think they just let all of their fans down. Their
just isn't enough music in this album. Like in Promised Land, I was really
looking forward to hearing this song because of the time length. But after
around 6 minutes it's the same thing over and over, and the last minute or so
is just samples.
Of course I was into QR before DT but after I got into DT I went back to
listen to Empire and after hearing the musicianship of DT it made QR seem
obsolete. To be able to compete with masters like Rush or the brilliant
songwriting of DT, the aging QR needs to focus more on the musical aspect of
their albums and worry less about sending a political message in their
lyrics. Now I do think bands progressive should have good lyrics but they
must also realize they need to be able to entertain with music. Notice how
QR doesn't have any Instrumentals.
Trey
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Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 22:08:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: "Scarred" Missing on Tape
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410302117.A28177-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Sat, 29 Oct 1994 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
>
> Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 02:03:19 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Andrew Cloninger <ancl@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
> Subject: Re: "Scarred" Missing on Tape
> Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9410290110.A19221-0100000@freenet2.scri.fsu.edu>
[stuff deleted; speculation on why Scarred not on cassette]
>
> I havent looked back at the interview, but I recall having heard James
> and Mike say on HBB was that it could NOT be put on the tape.
> For those of you who have bought the tape versions of some of the
> albums released in the past 5 years or so (including I&W and some older),
> you know that the tapes tend to get overwound, seize up such that tape
> players eat them. This seems to be worse on tapes that are over 45
> minutes long. I SUPPOSE its possible that the industry is aware of these
> problems and avoids using THAT length tape for the effect it tends to
> have when used.
I don't think that's the reason. I have been using *exclusively*
cassettes ever since I started buying music to listen to. It has been my
experience that EVERY time a cassette gets eaten, it means there's
something wrong with the tape player. By this, I mean there's something
in the tape player that needs repair, not that tape players are generally
bad. I have several albums on tape that are more than an hour long which
have NEVER been eaten by a player.
Personally, I favor the explanation that the music industry is just
trying to send consumers a hint (albeit a rather strong one).
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
Younis Hilal
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 02:18 MST
From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Promised Land nonDT
Message-ID: <m0r1ssc-0001QNC@rockymtn.net>
>> > I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off
after
>> > WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW.
>> > Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed
money. I
>> > have lost all respect for them.
>> Hmm.... well I wouldn't say it "SUCKS" but I am very disapointed... I
>> bought PL and Empire the same day (I had never heard QR before) and I
>> have listend to Empire a LOT! Needless to say, it rocks. but PL I don't
>> really like. Boring almost, especially for a progressive band. I'm used
>> to being at the edge of my seat with John P.'s guitar riffs, but on this
>> album I find myself falling asleep. I don't see what all those hardcore
>> Rychers see in it over at the Screaming in Digital mailing list.
>Hey people!
>I feel like there is too much tension starting up over this new Queensryche:
>Promised Land release.
Me too!
I thought we were all quite open minded around here
>P. L. isn't really on as much of the heavy side as Counterparts and Awake
>are,
And it is a _bit_ on the repetitive side.
>BUT is that a really good reason to just ignore the material totally?!
Nope.
>An introspective, thought-provoking album was something I was looking for
>from them since there has been so much going on in the world around us, and
>them.
I think that's exactly what they gave us.
>This really was a "strain" on their emotions and friendships,
I think that it must have been extremely difficult to write/record/perform
live for precisely this reason.
>is STILL EMOTION in THEIR MUSIC.
Yeah, sometimes it's harder to relate to very personal emotion because
rarely is it something common to both the critic and the artist, but that
doesn't remove any of the validity of the art. I think with QR we've come
to expect alot of very social statements -- emotions we can all relate to
because the issues are common to us all. It's a very different thing to try
to relate to someone's thoughts and feelings about his father. This is
something only he can know. Yes, DT accomplished this damn well with much
of the music on Awake, but they are the exception to the rule. They also
put things in more general and artistic terms than QR did and that's a valid
style. A bit more visceral...
>**********************************************************************
>**********************************************************************
>** FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY _____________ **
>** DOUG MERRELL | Rock || **
>** | 'N' || **
>** COMPUTER SCIENCE | Roll || **
>** EMAIL: merrell@cs.fsu.edu /------------// **
>** or merrelld@freenet.fsu.edu /____________/// **
>**********************************************************************
>**********************************************************************
>"We are the priests, of the temples of syrinx,
>Our great computers fill the hallowed halls." -- N. Peart
>"Love is an act of blood and I'm bleeding
> a pool in the shape of a heart." -- K. Moore
>"She can turn a drop of water, into an ocean." -- J. Myung
2112
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.oOOo. | * Remember that we are all spiritual beings *
.oOOo. | * having a human experience... *
.oo. |
.. | When we stand on the edge of all that we
| have known, one of two things will happen:
Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we
Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly.
and Free Will!! |
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 02:29 MST
From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: CD math
Message-ID: <m0r1t3O-0001R9C@rockymtn.net>
>I'm the one that should be annoyed. The sticker on the DT cd says "The most
>music you'll ever get on a cd". I don't care how that holds up to the math.
>Extreme had over 76 minutes. Therefore, the sticker is wrong; therefore it is
>bullshit.
>No amount of mathematical equations can change the fact that 76 minutes HAS
>been put on a cd, so 75 minutes is not the most that can 'ever' be put on a
>cd.
Ok, maybe they weren't talking about minutes, then. Maybe they were talking
about the number of songs or even the number of notes, just for the sake of
carrying something cleanly into the realm of the ridiculous. I guess it's
just not a big enough deal to me to warrant the vigor of the objection.
I suppose I do see your point though, to be fair.
IMHO (_only_) however, it's like being pissed that you paid 2 million bucks
for the Renoir, which has 1700 less brush strokes than the Warhol you only
paid a million for ;)
<deletia>
>Andy
2112
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.oo. |
.oOOo. | * Remember that we are all spiritual beings *
.oOOo. | * having a human experience... *
.oo. |
.. | When we stand on the edge of all that we
| have known, one of two things will happen:
Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we
Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly.
and Free Will!! |
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 02:36 MST
From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: correction
Message-ID: <m0r1tAW-0001R9C@rockymtn.net>
>regarding:
>
>44,100 * 16 * 2 = 1,411,200 bits per second.
>
>Divide this by eight to get the number of bytes per second:
>
>1,411,200
>------------ = 176,400 bytes per second.
> 8
>
>This means the audio data alone gives you 10.584Megs per minute or
>635.04Megs per hour.
>This doesn't include any wierd surround-sound codes, etc.
>Slight correction, FYI: 1024bytes = 1 Kbyte, not 1000. Likewise for 1024K
>= 1 Meg, not 1000k. So 176400 bytes/sec = 10.094 Mb/sec, & 605.621 Mb/hr.
Ok. It sort of depends what company is doing the rating. It is as common
for disk-drive manufacturers to use million-bytes and call them Megs (using
the actual decimal equivalent 1000=k and 1000000=M) as it is for them to use
the binary form (which was adopted by the early computer geeks) 1024=k and
1048576=M.
I wonder which standard they're using? I assumed it was the decimal
standard because it makes it look like you're getting more data and that
means more money (more manufacturers use the decimal than not, for that
reason), but that may not be the case. Thanks for bringing that up.
>Also, data compression schemes can raise the length of an audio CD to well
>over 85 minutes, but it is expensive, thus the rarity.
How does this work? Is there some sort of algorhythm that allows the CD
player to figure out whether or not there is compression being used? I was
pretty sure that the standards adopted by the CD folks didn't allow for
compression and that it was only being used on the new format recordable
mini-disks.
Anyone know?
>bk
2112
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.. |
.oo. |
.oOOo. | * Remember that we are all spiritual beings *
.oOOo. | * having a human experience... *
.oo. |
.. | When we stand on the edge of all that we
| have known, one of two things will happen:
Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we
Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly.
and Free Will!! |
___________________|
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 02:53 MST
From: 2112@rmii.com (Douglas Yoder)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Labrie
Message-ID: <m0r1tR2-0001R9C@rockymtn.net>
>The other night at the Manhatten Center, I heard some tool say the James Labrie
> used to be the lead singer for Helloween!!! I figured that one of you guys
>would know for sure....please tell me he's wrong!!!
I don't know... I just heard Helloween for the first time a week ago and
though I was expecting another formula satan-band right out of the 80's
metal explo$ion, I was really very impressed. They are much better than I
thought. I only heard one song, so I'm not passing any judgements but I'd
be interested to hear the opinions of other folks who know good music
(namely all the Ytsejammers).
>One other thing...I heard somebody at the show say that Mike Portnoy is the
>next Neil Peart. Let me say this: I'm a Rush fan and I think Portnoy pisses on
>Peart!!!
<grin> Ouch! Well, I've been a pretty hardcore Rush fan for over a dozen
years (hell, Neil taught me how to play drums and doesn't even know it) and
I wouldn't exactly say Mike _pisses_ on Neil <g>, but probably the toughest
thing for me to ever say in my musical career is that I think that Mike will
soon be taking over in the drum-god department. He might have to put forth
a few more albums to prove his stability and versatility and to acheive
Neil-hood, but I gotta admit that I've been able to duplicate (_duplicate_,
NOT write with the same intensity!) all of Neil's stuff and Mike gives me
more headaches than Neil ever did. For that matter he gives me more
headaches than the last ten-pound sledgehammer I tangled with...
>Just my opinion..
<still grinning> mine too --- more or less.
>Vin D.
>P.S. Mike's from Jersey anyway...he'd have to be awesome :)
2112
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.oOOo. | * Remember that we are all spiritual beings *
.oOOo. | * having a human experience... *
.oo. |
.. | When we stand on the edge of all that we
| have known, one of two things will happen:
Encourage Liberal | A bridge will appear at our feet or we
Use of Intellect | will be taught how to fly.
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:42:13 +0100
From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 572
Message-ID: <199410311142.MAA09874@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>but PL I don't
>really like. Boring almost, especially for a progressive band. I'm used
>to being at the edge of my seat with John P.'s guitar riffs, but on this
>album I find myself falling asleep. I don't see what all those hardcore
>Rychers see in it over at the Screaming in Digital mailing list.
Personally, I don't need two version of "Awake", so I like to listen
to PL whenever I'm in a "quieter" mood, and "Awake" for the heavier
moments. :-)
Songs like "Bridge", "Lady Jane" and "Someone Else?" are just
beautiful ballads IMHO (*listen* to them and read the lyrics),
stuff like "I Am I" and "Damaged" kicks some serious butt, and
"One More Time" is one heck of a hymn, can get that brilliant
chorus out of my head ...
So, maybe you give it another listen, I'm just so glad *two* awesome
albums have come out this month and they've been taking turns in my CD-player
for quite some time now. :-)
No reason to be disappointed IMO.
Greets, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood |
| Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding |
| University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" |
| Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 01:52:28 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: "Scarred" Missing on Tape
Message-ID: <199410310952.BAA25357@netcom10.netcom.com>
Not only is Scarred missing on Tape... it's also missing in concert so
far... that's as bad as not playing The Killing Hand!!
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:15:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: "Tor Houghton" <torh@cogs.susx.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Promised Land nonDT
Message-ID: <m0r1tmH-0001MLC@tsunb.ctn.cogs.susx.ac.uk>
Godsize@aol.com dropped in and said:
>
>I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off after
>WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW.
> Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed money. I
>have lost all respect for them.
>
>Trey
>
I throught tracks 8,10 & 11 were good myself.
Funny that both tracks 11 on PL & Awake are piano tracks.
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will steal each others dreams."
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:34:51 +0100
From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 572
Message-ID: <199410311134.MAA09797@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>I think this new album just sucks. DT took around a four year lay off after
>WDADU and changed singers and they gave us the immortally divine IaW.
>Queensryche gave us crap. I think they were broke and just needed money. I
>have lost all respect for them.
Wow, what an elaborating review of "Promised Land" that was ...
If you don't like it, fine (I love it), but stating that "they were
broke and just needed money" is just plain silly IMO.
BTW: After "Empire", Queensryche spent almost two years on the road,
took a year off, and worked on PL for a little over a year, I believe.
I don't really understand all these posting saying "'Awake' is great,
'PL' is pale in comparison" etc., they're totally different IMHO and
it doesn't make much sense comparing them since they're two magnificent
pieces of music, each one in their own stylistic department.
Quoting someone else (sorry for infringing on any copyrights :->):
"If you don't like all these great bands anymore, ship them over to Europe."
Some don't seem to realize that there'll never be another "Mindcrime",
at least not by Queensryche. They leave the repeating to others ...
Greets, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood |
| Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding |
| University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" |
| Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 14:19 MET
From: goebel@baracuda.inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Results...
Message-ID: <m0r1wdt-00005GC@baracuda.inf.fu-berlin.de>
Okay, here are the results of the Awake Poll !
Fifteen people sent me their Top Five. I decided to go through the last issues
of the digest and also count all Top 4 posts (25).
First place - 5 points, second - 4, third - 3 ,and so on. The votes for AMBI
and Lie/Mirror were given to the single songs.
Top Songs of Awake (40 votes)
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1. Space-Dye Vest 117
2. 6:00 77
3. Scarred 76
4. Voices 71
5. Caught in a Web 68
6. The Mirror 61
7. Erotomania 57
8. Lie 39
9. Lifting Shadows.. 28
10. The Silent Man 26
11. Innocence Faded 10
That`s it. Any comments ?
Ties
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Ties Goebel goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de
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