YTSEJAM Digest 520
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Savatage, No DT Content.
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu>
2) DT Sticker
by Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
3) Re: Dream Theater Concert Dates are HERE!
by EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu
4) Lie Parody
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
5) Re: Lie, Awake & other cool stuff
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
6) Re: AWAKE=PURE GENIUS!
by Scott Russell Halgrim <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>
7) Re: Savatage comparison to DT
by WarmWetOs@aol.com
8) Re: Savatage, No DT Content.
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
9) RE: Lie Parody
by "From the land of corn and physics..."
10) Re: Savatage...
by schew@tis.com
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 519[D
by The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu>
12) Majesty Demos quality?
by <jeremy@grove.ufl.edu>
13) Tour dates.
by nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari)
14) Re: Keyboards
by Mozo21@aol.com
15) Album Release Party
by Mozo21@aol.com
16) Re: Savatage, No DT Content.
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 519
by khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 15:56:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Savatage, No DT Content.
Message-ID: <199409182056.PAA21039@ub.d.umn.edu>
Ytse Jammers,
> Can you compare this band to Dream Theater. I saw their newest CD a few
> weeks ago, but if its not a LOT like Dream Theater than I have more
> important things to save my money for (AWAKE! :))
Savatage's new release Handful of Rain has lots of Keys and is
powerful vocaly. It is difficult for me to say whether you should
pick it up. If you like powerful vocals, lots of Keys, guitar that
kicks ass when it wants to, and Drums to hold it all together, then
pick it up.
I recently sent Mike Burstin a tape of Handfull of Rain and somestuff
from Edge of Thorns and Hall of the Mountain King. He says he will
propably pick up HOR when he picks up AWAKE.
Mike anything else to add!! More Sava coments.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 94 16:10:05 CDT From: Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Sticker Message-ID: <m0qmTam-0000fHC@donews.cts.com>
Someone mentioned that the DT sticker was available in the RIP magazine that had Henry Rollins on the cover. Does anyone know what month's issue that is? The issue I saw yesterday was Septemebr and it didn't have Henry on the front.
Jason
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason T. Breitweg Internet: jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu | | | | Small as they were, he could make out the boy's grin, his pink gums, the | | glitter of the long gray eyes that had been Riviera's. Linda still wore | | his jacket; she waved, as he passed. But the third figure, close behind | | her, arm across her shoulders, was himself. | | Somewhere, very close, the laugh that wasn't laughter. | | He never saw Molly again. | | | | - "Neuromancer" | | William Gibson | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Topic No. 3
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 18:27:45 -0500 (EST) From: EMRST2@vms.cis.pitt.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dream Theater Concert Dates are HERE! Message-ID: <01HH9MN779NMAKUBRG@vms.cis.pitt.edu>
What?? Ytsejam Tshirts are to serve as backstage passes. I'm the one who asked about gettin Ytsejammers backstage and I didn't really understand the response, but that would be awesome (and well deserved), but I don't have a shirt. We need any proof of Internet Ytsejam membership to be acceptable. Who's working on this. Please find out details and relay them quickly, because DT is here (in Pittsburgh) in a month. That doesn't give me much time. I need to meet the band. I think we all deserve it.
KAI
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Topic No. 4
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 22:06:18 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Lie Parody Message-ID: <199409190306.WAA16586@galaxy.galstar.com>
HIGH
Lyrics: Kevin Moore Music: Dream Theater Parody: Ricky Booth and William Wright rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com wwright@galaxy.galstar.com
Daybreak a heavy metal fake I'm so mainstream I can't breathe I've sold out 'cause I figured it out though I'm weak like I can't believe So I tell you "trust me" you can trust me just let me show you that I gotta sell out in a shadow of doubt so heavy, Metallica can sue
Doing fine wasting your time tell me what it is you want to hear (cause this ain't it) I'm wasteing your money, just let me in pockets--hurry I've been out talent since May So I tell you "trust me" You can trust me as far as I can stiff you And I'm trying to sell out of a shadow of doubt so heavy, Metallica can sue
Don't tell me you wanted this Don't tell me you thought of this I won't, I swear I won't {Did) I'll try, I swear I'll try (Lie)
Mother Mary quite contrary jipted the fans and made them wary Petrucci's chin is a lot more hairy It's a wonder I can still compose Never been much of a doubting Thomas but nothing sucks like that last line (Who's Thomas?) You tell me 'bout your new album coming but ain't progresive enough for me
Get used to being a soul destroyed 'cause this song don't fill the void This song really sucks but least you forget it And I think this song should go on the Crow we didn't write it But I'll sell out everyday We scared all our fans away No keys, John's P. all alone and this song gives Mike a bone I wanna talk about musical mistakes (this song's full of 'em) You want technicality? It's a bother. We say no!
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Topic No. 5
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 20:46:08 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Lie, Awake & other cool stuff Message-ID: <199409190346.UAA10201@netcom18.netcom.com>
did someone say 70 minute song like "the Killing Hand"... I'll buy!
Hehehheh...
but true... diversity does make for a good album but I know I'll probably skip Lie when I program my CD player... but boys and girls... Awake is gonna be better than I&W... trust me...
-The Doc
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Topic No. 6
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 1994 21:44:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Russell Halgrim <srh1@cec.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: AWAKE=PURE GENIUS! Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9409082101.A12704-0100000@ritz>
On Thu, 8 Sep 1994, William T Bajzek wrote:
> > i want it!!!!!!!
i knew this was gonna happen. please contact the person who made this offer personally and not to the list. just don't like the clutter.
rock on. scott.
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Topic No. 7
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 00:55:36 EDT From: WarmWetOs@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Savatage comparison to DT Message-ID: <9409190055.tn128763@aol.com>
Well William, I wouldn't full blown compare Savatage to Dream Theater but they do have some stuff in common! Jon Oliva, played the keyboards and piano to their songs (and earlier in their career was their lead vocalist), they are also very "lyric" oriented and have done an outstanding concept album called "Streets:a rock opera" (please correct me on the title anyone). If I had to reckomend any of their albums I would start with Gutter Ballet, Streets and Edge of Thorns! I hate comparisons but if you heard Armored Saint (Jon Bush on vocals) then you might get the idea of their sound! Check them out but I would hold off your money for the new DT instead of the new Savatage...just my oppinion! Take care Tony K :{)}
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Topic No. 8
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 07:06:54 -0500 (CDT) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Savatage, No DT Content. Message-ID: <199409191206.HAA29728@galaxy.galstar.com>
> > Ytse Jammers, > > I recently sent Mike Burstin a tape of Handfull of Rain and somestuff > from Edge of Thorns and Hall of the Mountain King. He says he will > propably pick up HOR when he picks up AWAKE. > > Mike anything else to add!! More Sava coments.
Well, I bought it and will give a review of it.
I bought it and had my portable CD player in my car. I also bought Roll the Bones, which I listened to the first 3 tracks of. When I hit a red light, I quickly changed them and started playing. First song, LIE! Noo!! I really didn't want to hear this, and I had doubts about the rest of the album (like many DT fans might have if they hear Lie.) However the second track was an improvement, but I found the third to be, well, interesting at best. However I really like it too! VERY lyrically powerful (esp right at the end when all 4 lyric tracks meet up) and lots of COOL keys. The instruemntal track is very nice too, with keys along the same lines. I really love the melodic keys and the ripping guitar put together, really cool. I think this'll hold me over (with RTB) until I get Awake. :)
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Topic No. 9
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 10:33:00 C From: "From the land of corn and physics..." To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RE: Lie Parody Message-ID: <00984B32.49078FA0.5465@Iowa.Physics.UIowa.EDU>
>HIGH > >Lyrics: Kevin Moore >Music: Dream Theater >Parody: Ricky Booth and William Wright > rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com > wwright@galaxy.galstar.com
(Whiney shit deleted)
> >Never been much of a doubting Thomas >but nothing sucks like that last line (Who's Thomas?)
Thomas refers to one of the 12 apostles, moron. Thomas didn't believe Jesus had risen from the dead until Jesus actually confronted him. Hence, the quite well known expression (even with us non-religious types) "doubting Thomas"
>You tell me 'bout your new album coming >but ain't progresive enough for me
You know, I don't think you've heard the whole album; I think you're talking about an album you haven't heard. This album can't be judged by one song, just like the last one couldn't. I heard "Another Day" on the radio a lot; that didn't seem much like progressive metal, but that didn't mean Metropolis wasn't also there.
>But I'll sell out everyday >We scared all our fans away
There's a good one: you don't like it, haven't heard the rest of the album, and declared DT a sell-out. Good. Real good.
>No keys, John's P. all alone
Uh, lesseee.... who can say "Six o'clock"? :^)
>You want technicality? It's a bother. We say no!
You wanna talk uninformed dorks? These two are a bother.
Well, I could go on, but I fear I might be dignifying this shit that they spout...
Chrisf
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Topic No. 10
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 12:49:33 -0400 (EDT) From: schew@tis.com To: wwright@galaxy.galstar.com Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Savatage... Message-ID: <446.9409191649@ragnarok.tis.com>
> >> Ok, for the person who wanted to know about the Savatage tour dates in the US >> here they are (subject to change): >> 9/28-Hallandale-FL-Button South >> 9/29-Orlando-FL-Jani Lane's Sunset Strip > >Can you compare this band to Dream Theater. I saw their newest CD a few >weeks ago, but if its not a LOT like Dream Theater than I have more >important things to save my money for (AWAKE! :)) >
I haven't heard Savatage's newest CD, but if it's like their older stuff, then I'd say they don't sound much like Dream Theater. Savatage has a much more standard metal sound. If their new album is different, though, I'd like to hear about it. If you want a band that sounds fairly close to DT, check out the Black Jester CD that I mentioned recently.
Steve
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/home.html "It's hard to seize the day when first you've got to grapple with the morning." - Andrew Arensburger
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Topic No. 11
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 13:13:58 -0500 (CDT) From: The Reverend <mdb0213@tamsun.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 519[D Message-ID: <199409191813.AA22494@tamsun.tamu.edu>
]Mr. Hough mentioned Ytsejam tshirts and that maybe they could serve as ]backstage passes... uhm, where can I get one of these babies? :) Any info ]will be appricated. Thanks.
Was that confirmed? If so, I want one as well! :)
also... ]From: jskewes@ix.netcom.com (Jason Skewes)
]Has wnybody noticed that towards the end of 'The Mirror' that ]the main melody of 'Space Dye Vest' is played. That is the ]coolest part of the album to me. I like to see band take ]a common melody and interweave it into different songs.
Actually, keep listening to Awake. I believe the melody of SDV is in pretty much every song, you just have to listen for it. I think it's in every song.
Brian: what're the notes again?
Thanks, Rev
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Topic No. 12
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 14:51:13 -0400 From: <jeremy@grove.ufl.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Majesty Demos quality? Message-ID: <199409191851.OAA09824@bay.circa.ufl.edu>
Could someone tell me the quality of the Majesty demos and InstruMentals? How do they sound? How good is the music?
jeremy (jeremy@grove.ufl.edu)
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Topic No. 13
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 16:30:41 -0400 From: nam2@po.CWRU.Edu (Nicholas A. Mascari) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Tour dates. Message-ID: <199409192030.QAA16398@owl.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Could someone repost them please?
Thanks...
Nick
-- If the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine, If there's no one in control, we're the ones who draw the line, Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try, Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly. -rush
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Topic No. 14
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:47:56 EDT From: Mozo21@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Keyboards Message-ID: <9409191647.tn167199@aol.com>
<<<Mind you, it's the best metal out there, but if the only thing you liked about DT was the keyboard solos, maybe you won't think Awake is as good as I&W. Then again, if you only liked keyboard solos, you wouldn't like I&W, you'd rather listen to Chick Corea!>>>
That's a silly remark. To me, the keyboard solos is what made DT much better than any metal band. But it's not just the keyboard solos- It's the drums, the bass, the guitar PLUS the keys. The balance is totally towards the guitar on AWAKE, and I miss the keys. I mean, if all I wanted to hear was guitar solos, I'd listen to Satriani :)
Andy
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Topic No. 15
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:53:28 EDT From: Mozo21@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Album Release Party Message-ID: <9409191653.tn167602@aol.com>
A local music newspaper here on Long Island had the following in their latest ad:
Coming In October- WRCN and East Coast (?) Records will present a special album release party with DREAM THEATER.
The club is The Roxy in Huntington, NY. I called for info today and there was no answer.
Anybody know anything about this?? The club's # is 516-424-7703
Andy
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Topic No. 16
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 1994 15:03:36 PDT From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Savatage, No DT Content. Message-ID: <199409192203.PAA25947@netcom4.netcom.com>
Handful of Rain is not as good as Edge of Thorns... Alex Skolnick has no balls... but he's jazzy and fusiony alright...
Hard to compare to Dream Theater... it's not quite as progressive, more classicaly oriented with a Queen copy tune (Chance)... Not a bad album though... I'll be there Oct. 24 at the Troubadour in Los Angeles...
-The Doc
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Topic No. 17
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 94 16:43:43 MDT From: khiggins@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 519 Message-ID: <9409192243.AA00474@nyx.cs.du.edu>
I just got my copy of Awake today... Thanks Tim!!
6:00 is pretty cool, so is Caught in a Web, but I really like Innocence Faded. A Mind Beside Itself is kinda dissapointing. I thought Erotomania would've been better, but it really just wanders... Not like Ytse Jam. Voices kicks ass, but Silent Man is a little lame.
Side 2 (well, it's a tape).. Is easily the better half. The Mirror starts off with Puppies on Acid, the little song that intros Take the Time on the Tokyo video... Really cool!
Lie just fuckin' rules. Yopu have to hear the way The Mirror runs into Lie. It's amazing!
I think John Myung writes the 2nd best lyrics of the bunch (Kev is first)... So I like Lifting Shadows off a Dream a lot.
Scarred is also amazing... And what more cna be said of Space Dye Vest...
Anyway, it's a different DT. Not at all commercial, and really heavy and dark. But you'll like it.
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