YTSEJAM Digest 794
Today's Topics:
1) Internet Voices
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
2) Re: Good times
by Stone <fraser@stolaf.edu>
3) J Haynes other address...
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
5) "Good Times" virus HOAX
by "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU>
6) Re: "Good Times"
by vanhoosr@cco.caltech.edu (Stephen D. Van Hooser)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
8) Re: Important, please read and forward!
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 790
by Boba Fett <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
10) Good Times is a hoax
by stern.35@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Stern)
11) I need info.
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
12) As The World
by Rycher <B_STAHL@LVC.EDU>
13) Consciously Unreal
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
14) HOT STICKS, ETC.
by Ahlberg@students.wisc.edu (Erik Ahlberg)
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 792
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
16) DT Bootlegs...which to get?
by wtdalton@whale.st.usm.edu (William T. Dalton)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
by david horton <dayvee@netcom.com>
18) guitartracks
by basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer)
19) Kev Moore and re: echolyn's homebase
by Matthew Travis <mtravis@students.uiuc.edu>
20) Subconscious weekly
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Internet Voices
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504230301.D20092-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
I'm typing on the Net,
Swear my mind is inside out,
Just another Sunday morning.
See my homepage on the newsstand,
Seems we've lost the truth to quick hands,
It's a shame no one is typing,
'Cause these users on the Net keep griping,
"Page, just don't fax."
"Ring my account when you're supposed to."
Withdrawn and introverted,
Infectiously perverted,
"Being logged on and confused,
Keeps us pleasantly amused enough to stay."
Maybe I'm just World Wide Web fleeting,
Twentieth-century website bleeding,
Willing to risk starvation,
To escape from isolation.
I'm witness to obsession,
Heard you page, put never picked up,
Can you rid me of my e-mail?
Deliver us from Telnet?
Hmmm....."Caught In A Web".......nah, too easy.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 07:48:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Stone <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Good times
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90.950423074737.19936A-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
==> Many users are receiving warnings about the 'Good Times' virus. DO
==> NOT FORWARD SUCH MESSAGES TO OTHERS. The 'Good Times' virus is a
==> hoax. Please do not further the spread rumors about it. Thank you.
Straight from the sys-admins...
Good night folks,
Alex
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|"Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu." --Dream Theater |
|Alex Fraser St. Olaf College e-mail: fraser@stolaf.edu |
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 10:39:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: J Haynes other address...
Message-ID: <199504231439.KAA09358@umbc9.umbc.edu>
Someone posted on alt.music.bootlegs (or whatever its called) about
Jeremy Haynes and they gave another address at Compuserve. I wrote
to that one yesterday and it didn't bounce back. I was trying
to be nice about it, saying stuff like "did you just get in over
your head? I could get the net folks to back off for a while to give
you time to make the tapes instead of just ditching everyone" etc...
I haven't heard anything from him. If someone DOES get in touch with
him, maybe at least check to see if he would pay us the money
for the tapes that he owes, might be easier than making 100 tapes...
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************------------------------------
Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:27:00 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 793 Message-ID: <199504231624.MAA28700@nic.iii.net>
> >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 03:24:21 -0500 >From: moron@bigvax.alfred.edu (Dave) >To: bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu >Cc: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com, vlackhe@bigvax.alfred.edu, jmv8@cornell.edu, >Subject: Good Times >Message-ID: <v02110201abbfbe37162f@[132.236.236.46]>
This is the header from what looks line an encoded message. Now I'm only a novice programmer but something seems damn fucked up that an ASCII file is going to come to life and launch itself into any computer just because I'm looking at the code of it in ASCII format! Are there any computer expert types out there? What the fuck is this bullshit. Besides, the program would have to be written for a specific processor. Anyway, I'm going to restart my Mac now just in case :\.
(email virus. Yeah, right).
Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:38:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bryan F. Stroh" <bfstroh@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: "Good Times" virus HOAX Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950423143732.2674A-100000@phoenix.princeton.edu>
This is for whomever sent that warning concerning the good times virus to the list. Here's the proof that it doesn't exist...
BFS
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[For further information contact ciac@llnl.gov]
U.S. DOE's Computer Incident Advisory Capability ___ __ __ _ ___ __ __ __ __ __ / | /_\ / |\ | / \ | |_ /_ \___ __|__ / \ \___ | \| \__/ | |__ __/
Number 94-04 December 6, 1994
------------------- A - T - T - E - N - T - I - O - N ------------------- | CIAC is available 24-hours a day via its two skypage numbers. To use | | this service, dial 1-800-759-7243. The PIN numbers are: 8550070 (for | | the CIAC duty person) and 8550074 (for the CIAC manager). Please keep | | these numbers handy. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------
Welcome to the fourth issue of CIAC Notes! This is a special edition to clear up recent reports of a "good times" virus-hoax. Let us know if you have topics you would like addressed or have feedback on what is useful and what is not. Please contact the editor, Allan L. Van Lehn, CIAC, 510-422-8193 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov.
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THE "Good Times" VIRUS IS AN URBAN LEGEND
In the early part of December, CIAC started to receive information requests about a supposed "virus" which could be contracted via America OnLine, simply by reading a message. The following is the message that CIAC received:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Here is some important information. Beware of a file called Goodtimes. | | | | Happy Chanukah everyone, and be careful out there. There is a virus on | | America Online being sent by E-Mail. If you get anything called "Good | | Times", DON'T read it or download it. It is a virus that will erase your | | hard drive. Forward this to all your friends. It may help them a lot. | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
THIS IS A HOAX. Upon investigation, CIAC has determined that this message originated from both a user of America Online and a student at a university at approximately the same time, and it was meant to be a hoax.
CIAC has also seen other variations of this hoax, the main one is that any electronic mail message with the subject line of "xxx-1" will infect your computer.
This rumor has been spreading very widely. This spread is due mainly to the fact that many people have seen a message with "Good Times" in the header. They delete the message without reading it, thus believing that they have saved themselves from being attacked. These first-hand reports give a false sense of credibility to the alert message.
There has been one confirmation of a person who received a message with "xxx-1" in the header, but an empty message body. Then, (in a panic, because he had heard the alert), he checked his PC for viruses (the first time he checked his machine in months) and found a pre-existing virus on his machine. He incorrectly came to the conclusion that the E-mail message gave him the virus (this particular virus could NOT POSSIBLY have spread via an E-mail message). This person then spread his alert.
As of this date, there are no known viruses which can infect merely through reading a mail message. For a virus to spread some program must be executed. Reading a mail message does not execute the mail message. Yes, Trojans have been found as executable attachments to mail messages, the most notorious being the IBM VM Christmas Card Trojan of 1987, also the TERM MODULE Worm (reference CIAC Bulletin B-7) and the GAME2 MODULE Worm (CIAC Bulletin B-12). But this is not the case for this particular "virus" alert.
If you encounter this message being distributed on any mailing lists, simply ignore it or send a follow-up message stating that this is a false rumor.
Karyn Pichnarczyk CIAC Team ciac@llnl.gov
------------------------------ Contacting CIAC
If you require additional assistance or wish to report a vulnerability, call CIAC at 510-422-8193, fax messages to 510-423-8002 or send E-mail to ciac@llnl.gov. For emergencies and off-hour assistance, call 1-800-SKY-PAGE (759-7243) and enter PIN number 8550070 (primary) or 8550074 (secondary). The CIAC Duty Officer, a rotating responsibility, carries the primary skypager. The Project Leader carries the secondary skypager. If you are unable to contact CIAC via phone, please use the skypage system.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 12:27:54 -0800 From: vanhoosr@cco.caltech.edu (Stephen D. Van Hooser) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: "Good Times" Message-ID: <9504232027.AA00263@stanley.caltech.edu>
I have a hard time believing that the FCC fell for the "Good Times" scare (although I believe it's possible; if they did, it shows they didn't do their homework). Most mail programs filter out control characters, so the idea really doesn't make sense. The only possible way for it to work would be if America Online's email reader (and this is the only place that articles have suggested the virus will appear to have any affect) allowed control characters in messages, and actually did something with these control characters. I REALLY DOUBT that it does permit control characters, and, if it does, I REALLY DOUBT that the ones it does permit can be composed into any type of program. This agrees with a lot of information that I have read. Please stop spreading the "Good Times" "chain-letter!" If there's a virus in such a message, it's in a file included with the message, not in the message iteslf!
BTW: Does anyone know when Dream Theater will be hitting Toledo, Ohio (or nearby) or Pasadena, California? I missed them the last time around here in CA, and I hope that they won't ditch Toledo like they did on their last swing around the US.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:27:56 -0600 (MDT) From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 793 Message-ID: <9504232027.AA168300@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Hey all, I got that same message about the good times virus in my mailbox about a week ago from a friend who also recieved it and forwarded it on to me. I'm sure that I don't have to tell you all this, but the virus seems to be a hoax. I've asked a couple of professional friends about this and they agree. I figured I would forward a little bit of what they have to say. I apologize for the lack of DT content.
<snip> Loading into a mail buffer cannot execute a file.(and thereby spread the virus. B.) For one, the file would be uuencoded(if it wasn't, it could NEVER have the complexity needed to eve BE a virus, as mail is written in 7 bit codes while machine lnguage is written in 8 bits.
What the HELL is an "nth complety infinite binary loop"? And how could it possibly ruin the processor? Especially since there are MANY different kinds of processors.
<snip> 76> If the program is not stopped, the computer's 76> processor will be placed in an nth-complexity infinite 76> binary loop, which can severely damage the processor if 76> left running that way too long. Unfortunately, most novice 76> computer users will not realize what is happening until it is 76> far too late.
(different friend) It's an endless loop. So? Have you ever left a screen saver on for hours at a time? When you return you hit a key (or mouse buton) to restore what you were doing, or restore the screen. Just what do you think the computer was doing while you were away? It was in an endless loop waiting for a key stroke. *YAWN* An infinite, binary loop (everything the computer does is binary). An "nth-complexity"? 'Splain that one!
I doubt that many of us (if ANY other than me) were taken in by this bullshit, but I thought that I would let you know what I'd found out just in case you were wondering also.
Anyhow, that's my two cents. Bracken (looking forward to Subconscious CD #125) Odiorne .. Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 14:39:15 +0800 From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Important, please read and forward! Message-ID: <9504232139.AA07618@anthor.arastar.com>
Please do not forward false information like this to the list. If you have something of this nature to post, please contact me first at ytsejam-owner@arastar.com for approval.
In the case of the Good Times Hoax, this was shown to be a hoax back in December. There were a lot of postings (including on this list) about it and there were at least two reliable sources who explained that this is a hoax.
A good source of information concerning whether or not things are a hoax is the urban-folklore FAQ (although it doesn't have the "good times" virus yet).
> From: "REASONING IS PARTLY INSANE-RUSH, ANAGRAMS"@arastar.com > > ------- Forwarded Message > > There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If > you receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Good Times", DO > NOT read the message, DELETE it immediately. Please read the messages > below.
> | **** Email: afton@equiprnt.demon.co.uk **** | > ------- End of Forwarded Message -- Ken Bibb "If the boundary breaks I'm no longer alone kbibb@arastar.com Don't discourage me jester@crash.cts.com Bring out the stars/On the first day" David Sylvian--"The First Day"
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 13:42:12 -0700 (MST) From: Boba Fett <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 790 Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.90.950420143906.18381A@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:16:02 -0700 > From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke) > Subject: Tori Amos, Metropolis II > > DT note: I was listening to I&W the other day, and a line from Metropolis > jumped out and hit me: "the two of you will be confined in (to?) this > mind". Sounded terribly similar to "A Mind Beside Itself" - Metropolis II? > Haven't seen this brought up yet, so there I go... > > pg
Wouldnt that sound opposite? Two in one mind as opposed to a mind completly isolated? I actually find a lot more of a connection between AMBI and Scarred.
It's never enough you're wasting your time isn't there something I could say? You don't understand You're closing me out How can we live our lives this way? ... And how come you don't understand me? And how come I don't understand you? Thirty years say we're in this together So open your eyes. People in prayer for me everyone there for me Sometimes I feel I should face this alone My soul exposed It calms me to know that I won't
I only recently got the CD of Awake :( and have recently been going crazy over this song, meaning I really like it. I had heard Scarred before, I just hadn't really looked at it much before.
reply to a bit more current stuff...
A lot of the music by King's X has Christian related themes, ideas ect, _Faith Hope Love_ included. Thats a big part of what they do. Cool stuff... Speaking of cool stuff, I LOVE Kevin Moore's demos! I completly understand people not liking them, especially if you go into looking for DT. Kev has changed, but I like what he's done, even though it is not like DT or anything else that I have. All music is not for everyone.
Boo-ba Fett - aka John Haveman --------------------------------------------------------------- and as the final sunset rolls behind the earth and the clock is finally dead i'll look at you, you'll look at me and we'll cry alot - White, Discussion but this will be what we said edward kowalczyk this will be what we said look where all this talking got us baby.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:23:49 -0500 From: stern.35@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Jeff Stern) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Good Times is a hoax Message-ID: <199504232217.SAA02791@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
I'm probably too late, but those of you who believe this Good Times stuff, it's all bullshit. It was started as a rumor by people at AOL and spread from there. Just thought you all should know.
--Jeff (that guy)
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:17:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: I need info. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.950423181435.215A-100000@sparc.isl.net>
Howdy! This is addressed to the person who posted the info sheet on that "Good Times" virus that's supposedly going around the internet. Please send me that info form to my e-mail address because some of my friends would like to see it. I'm hoping this is a all a hoax but if it isn't, we'd all like to be prepared for it. Thanks a million!
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:56:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Rycher <B_STAHL@LVC.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: As The World Message-ID: <950423195647.1f481@LVC.EDU>
Just thought I would reply to the one who was wondering if echolyn sounds better after listening to it for awhile.
I picked up my first copy of Echolyn's As The World about two weeks ago after hearing a promo. My brother and i did not like it at all when we first sat down and listened to it. It was slow, seemed to lack energy. I took that album, however, and listed straight through three times that night and fell in love! I hadto listen to it for awhile before I could really get into the songs. Once it did, though, its a whole new dimention of music. Amazing!
What really strikes me is the vocal harmonies. WOW! Track 10 "Entry 11.19.93" Begins with a very simple vocal line, but is later enhanced with some very musical partwriting between the different voices of the band. I am also curious as to the specific town ecolyn is from.
Any dates yet for DT in the US? I really hope echolyn opens!! Does anyone know if queensryche is coming to philly? =Stahl
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 18:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Consciously Unreal Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504231641.A5167-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
Alright, for all those who have not heard or do not own this cd, here is the official Bafu Vai review. I just got this cd two days ago. It's a two-cd set: CD 1 is from Milan, Italy, from the Images tour. CD 2 is the encore from the Milan show, followed by a short show from New York, USA, with Charlie Dominici on vocals (pre-Images). Yes, I like this cd a lot.
Overall packaging: Beautiful. Nice colors, nice layout, nice photos.
CD 1: (Metropolis, A Fortune In Lies, Under A Glass Moon, Surrounded, The Ytse Jam, Another Day, The Killing Hand, Pull Me Under, Take The Time)
The Recording: clear as one can expect from an audience recording. I don't know if this was soundboard, but considering the amount of close crowd noise, I think it was done from somewhere in the audience. What annoys me about the recording in general is that the genius who recorded it onto cassette (you can hear an open flanger many times, the mark of a cassette recording) did not bother to even out the pitch when transferring it to cd. Half of the songs are played slightly faster and higher in pitch than what is on the albums, James' voice included. My thought as to why is that the recording device was not operating at a consistent speed. So, when it was brought up to a normal, consistent speed in the studio for the transference to cd, certain parts sped up with it. No one in the studio seems to have noticed, but those of you with sharp ears will.
The Crowd: There is much crowd noise. Many times you can hear the entire audience singing along to EVERY WORD! This does not detract from the show at all, it's actually enjoyable, since the audiences at the shows I've seen are not as loud/into it as the one on this cd. From what I understand, the crowds in Europe and Japan are more "into" the songs and excited than the USA crowds. (why?) It's in Milan, Italy, so there are constantly smatterings of Italian phrases being shouted by various members of the audience, especially during "Take The Time," where the entire crowd shouts "Adesso che ho perso la vista, ci vedo meglio e di piu!!!!" Nice touch. They also serve as an army of backup vocalists, in particular, on "Another Day." They also like to shout "Hey! Hey! Hey!" in time to the music whenever they can. You know, help out the band so they don't lose their place in the song... :)
The Music: Keyboard, Bass, Guitar, well-equalized. Yes, bassists, you can hear the bass on this recording. The guitar is a little domineering at times, but mixed well. The keyboards are actually there, unlike every other live recording I've heard. The drums, on the other hand, go from being a background instrument to in-your-face booming! The snare drum is overpowering at times. Mike's solo is incredibly clear, the crowd gets into it, shouting "HEY!" at various stops/pauses. The vocal lever wavers. Sometimes James is in the front, sometimes he fades away to total silence. For those people who enjoy pointing out when Dream Theater actually makes a mistake during a live show, this Milan show offers several opportunities.
The Vocals: New Backup Section: Italy. Half of the time, James' voice is dead-on, fluid, clear, and perfectly on pitch. Other times he cracks, screams, skips words due to being out of breath, or goes sharp. It's mystifying to me listening to this phenomena. He sings a line completely off, pushing his voice to the point of total breakage, then hits the next line so smoothly you'd think they were playing the album right there. He does the usual crowd-play, and gets more of a response than I've ever heard at a show in the states.
CD 2: ([encore Milan] Wait For Sleep, Learning To Live, [switch to New York] Metropolis, Afterlife, Forever, The Ytse Jam, The Killing Hand)
(The Milan encore review is included with the above, so here we skip to the New York show)
The Recording: Clear, with the usual amount of tape-volume wavering. There is also a good bit of reverberation on everything. Boy do those vocals cut through.
The Crowd: It sounds like there were at least a dozen people in the audience. At one point, during "The Killing Hand," someone shouts, "No! It's Robert Plant!" Other than that, they're pretty quiet. Whoever recorded this show is the only one you hear talking, and occasionally his friend mumbles something, so there is much more Dream Theater on this recording than the last one!
The Instruments: The Drums are pretty damn consistent, and the keyboards are louder than the guitar! The bass is nonexistant. And boy do those vocals cut through...
The Vocals: (brace yourselves, Dominici fans) It pains me to listen to Charlie sing. His voice is in a perpetual vibrato, and weak. You will never hear him scream, and that could be because he doesn't like to, or because he can't. He's clear, and much more consistant than James, but it's because of his vocal style, which again is just not for me. The man sounds like he was shot before the show and is attempting to sing through incredible blood-loss and pain. He really sounds sort of like he's crying. I don't know if that's called putting emotion into the music, or just because he can't sing any other way. Comparing his "Metropolis" to James' is a bit bizarre, since Charlie will go falsetto at any point in the show, wherever he feels it is necessary, whereas James refuses to go falsetto at any point in a show, refusing to give up volume and power. And yes, just like on the album, Charlie hits those weak notes at the end of the "Killing Hand." Pardon me again, Charlie fans, but there is only one word to describe that part: pathetic.
Overall, I really like this cd because it shows different aspects of Dream Theater's music than what I have heard so far(no not the mistakes, I know they're human), and it has a live show with Charlie on vocals, something I have never heard period. The Milan crowd is simply awesome. And boy do those vocals cut through...
Bafu Vai
p.s. I personally don't think it was very fair to put someone's home phone number on this mailing list without their consent, regardless of who he's screwed. I would have called them myself before giving his number to the world.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 20:41:50 -0500 From: Ahlberg@students.wisc.edu (Erik Ahlberg) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: HOT STICKS, ETC. Message-ID: <199504240141.UAA27845@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Id like to add to the criticism of HOT STICKS. These have got to be the worst sticks around, honestly. They are the type of sticks that your mother buys for you when you are a snare drummer in 5th grade beginning band. They even come in "trendy" colors such as pink, purple, and red! In the Drumline, we make >jokes< about hot sticks.
I still think, though, that he uses them. There must be something there that I just don't see... Maybe the fact that he gets them for FREE. (that would do it for me)
I've never used the Easton "sleeve" sticks that were mentioned before, but it seems to me that they are lacking in action and versatility. Hmm. Well, thanks for the chance to chat.
Take care,
Erik Ahlberg
ps --> midwest Ystejammers...(Minneapolis, Wisconsin, Iowa, Chicago, ND, SD..) let me know if you are interested in a summer Ystecon in Minneapolis!
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:14:01 EDT From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 792 Message-ID: <013.05806556.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
I'm late in responding to this, but I was out of town for the weekend, and I felt I needed to put in my $.02 as I assume many others have done.
> For those of you who have not gotten a hold of Kev's new demo >tape, don't! Not if you like any of Dream Theaters music. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I BEG YOUR PARDON! <insert utterly indignant voice> I object to you assuming that we all have identical preferences to yours. Just because one listens primarily to progressive metal does not mean one is excluded from enjoying "industrial dance crap" as I think you mistakenly term Kev's new stuff. I've been a fan of Kevin's work since I first heard "At Fates Hands" in 1990, and I will ALWAYS respect him as a musician, regardless of how his style changes. Even had he gone in the, say, _death_ direction <speaking hypothetically> I still would listen to it just because it's Kevin. I very much like the demos; I thought "S-DV" was the best song he'd written until I heard "Even The Waves". If you don't, that's not a problem - but don't assume everyone else will automatically agree.
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 23:48:42 -0500 (CDT) From: wtdalton@whale.st.usm.edu (William T. Dalton) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT Bootlegs...which to get? Message-ID: <9504240448.AA72737@whale.st.usm.edu>
Which DT Bootlegs are worth getting?
Thanx
Tadd
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 22:06:57 -0700 (PDT) From: david horton <dayvee@netcom.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 793 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504232136.A9954-0100000@netcom16>
OK not only am i new here but I am a little bit confused. Is Kev's demo any good or not. There are mixed feelings about it and I want to get it but am not sure now. I do like some NIN but don't worship the stuff does anybody think that I will like it or not. give me some ideas please.
Day-Vid
<================================> | Day-Vid Horton | | dayvee@netcom.com | | It's about peace and love | | and good happyness stuff... | | Steve Vai | <================================>
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 08:34:42 +0200 From: basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de (Bernd Basmer) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: guitartracks Message-ID: <9504240634.AA09377@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi Jammers.
Yesterday I listened to IaW and the Awake Album with my headphones on and there came up a question for you technical dudes ;) : There was one guitar at my left and one at my right ear. When I listened to them carefully I heard that that there was a little "squick"-sound when Petrucci changed the chord on the one ear but not on the other. So the guitar must be dubbled. Does anyone know how many guitar- tracks they used on the records? I think there must be at least two. If I'm wrong, is it possible to get an instrument that's recorded mono to a stereo-signal so that you hear it left and right? I don't think that they did this on these CDs but is it possible?
Ok, that's all for now.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 01:47:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Matthew Travis <mtravis@students.uiuc.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Kev Moore and re: echolyn's homebase Message-ID: <Pine.Sola.3.91.950424013703.25504A-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Hey everyone. It occurs to me, being a musician myself, that changing one's style is part of the growth that most musicians go through. I don't like or play the same stuff I used to. Kev has developed his talent and skill, and as he has done that, what he wishes to create doesn't fit in with what Dream Theater is about. I think, as much as I miss his presence in the band, that it is probably best for both DT and him that he not be a member. That's the only way that he will be able to play the music that brings him satisfaction. Musiscians play first for themselves and then for the audience. If he weren'y happy, then I bet it would be reflected in the quality of the music. Then none of us would be happy. Besides, even thoug what he's performing now is different, that doesn't make it bad. I personally think it still shows his skill and his talent.
And onto another topic. I'm not sure where echolyn is from. The FAQ only says that they come from the suburbs of Philadelphia. If anyone's interested, there is an echolyn mailing list. You can subscribe by sending an e-mail to:
It is distributed approx. bi-weekly or so (there's not nearly as much traffic as here).
Later...
-Tool (aka Matt Travis) http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mt9744/ http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mt9744/dream-theater.html
*Likely or not, it's a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we climb* * But if faith is the answer, we've already reached it * * And if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time. -Dream Theater * *** Matthew Travis ** http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~mt9744/ ** mtravis@.uiuc.edu ***
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 00:32:26 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: garion@indirect.com Subject: Subconscious weekly Message-ID: <199504240732.AAA18556@bud.indirect.com>
SUBCONSCIOUS CD Update!!
Current update: 4/23/95
Due to a cancellation, there are some copies still available! Go ahead and send orders in... CHECK THE NEW ADDRESS LISTED BELOW.
THE BLANKS ARE HERE! THE SHIPMENTS ARE HAPPENING! :) The first 100 or so have gone out. There was a slight delay during last week, but it's been accounted for and shipments have resumed. When will you get *your* copy? I'm sorry that I can't say for sure. Some days I get 25 copies mailed out, other days only 5. I'm doing my best, of that much I can assure you! :)
By the way, THANKS to all of you who have sent "Dream Theater Bits" and extra postage, and other gifts of goodwill, I really am enjoying them! The DT-related stuff (newspaper clippings, computer art, concert ad copies, etc) are a real treat to check out. All my friends are enjoying it! I really would like to thank you.
1. Orders received 2. A quick review: what the hell IS Subconscious, and how can I get it? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
1. Orders received
Here is a brief list of the orders that I have received, paid, and the CD numbers you will all be getting... if you are on this list, I have your order IN MY HAND and you are DONE, FINITO... all you need to do is kick back, relax, toss back a Kypler's, and wait for my CDs to come in the mail to me, and subsequently, to you. :) I _am_ keeping a copy of this list, in case future authenticity issues arise, you can be assured of the full _value_ of your Subconscious CD. Given the number of DT albums sold total, there is one Subconscious CD for every 11,700 Dream Theater fans. Not a bad ratio eh!! A quick note: you will notice I have set aside a few low numbers for Kaoru, and I have done this because most of the Japanese Ytsejammers will be doing a group order through her, and I wanted to get *some* of the low #'s to the land of the Rising Sun, tis only fair after all. :) That's the only orders that are not yet paid, because she still has to get the orders from the others. Any Nihon-jin Ytsejam members, email Kaoru-san if you want to get a copy of the CD! If more are reserved than space I set aside, I will fill another block of numbers somewhere in the 100's.
!!!!!!!!! Quick note!! If you "reserved" a copy with me, but have not yet sent in payment, you won't be in this list yet... DON'T PANIC! I've still got your reservation, and I _did_ say that because of the delay in the CDs getting to me in shipment (my blanks) that you could wait on payment if you wanted to. But, without seeming pushy, I'd remind you that now is a good time. :) !!!!!!!!!
000 Original press master copy (CD-R Gold) 001 Glass master disc 002 Final press master #1 003 Final press master #2 004 Mike Bahr :) 005 Mike Portnoy 006 Kevin Moore 007 Michael Burstin 008 Brian Cox 009 Chris King 010 Jenn Albert 011 Alfredo Cappello 012 Andreas Schaefer 013 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 014 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 015 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 016 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 017 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 018 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 019 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 020 (reserved) Kaoru Kobayashi 021 Timo Haanpaa 022 Timo Haanpaa 023 Timo Haanpaa 024 Timo Haanpaa 025 Timo Haanpaa 026 Timothy Byrd 027 Timothy Byrd 028 Timothy Byrd 029 Steve Chew 030 Mark Stahl 031 Cheryle West 032 Paul Poehler 033 Douglas Slauson 034 Stephan Dobay 035 Stephan Dobay 036 Jason Macdonald 037 Jeff Chew 038 Jeff Chew 039 Jeff Chew 040 Bernd Basmer 041 Jeff Stewart 042 Brian Anderson 043 Brian Anderson 044 Michael Van Opstall 045 Greg Bunker 046 Albert Balkiewicz 047 Albert Balkiewicz 048 William Buckley 049 William Buckley 050 Jamie Burks 051 Joel Gregie 052 Uffe Moller 053 Uffe Moller 054 Andy Dixon 055 Anna Davidson 056 Randy Collins 057 Brian Vivier 058 Brian Vivier 059 Bill Nottingham 060 Alfredo Cappello 061 Alfredo Cappello 062 Andreas Schaefer 063 Timo Haanpaa 064 Eric Gauthier 065 Eric Gauthier 066 Michael Backof 067 Tim Altman 068 Mathew Yee 069 Christopher White <- this has to be the coolest number :) 070 Alex Fraser 071 Jason Breitweg 072 George Sorsby 073 Brian Polka 074 Kristian Reyes 075 Dave Fausel 076 John Kotzian 077 Matthew Berger 078 Paul Humm 079 Brent Phillips 080 Bob Holder 081 James Runde 082 Krysten DeBroka 083 R. Christopher Hailey 084 Siegfried Hanisch 085 Jason Birzer 086 Carmen Pezzone 087 Carmen Pezzone 088 David Bell 089 Dan Tshin 090 Stephane Auzilleau 091 Stephane Auzilleau 092 Stephane Auzilleau 093 Russell Brooks 094 Alexander Reinelt 095 Alexander Reinelt 096 Ken Atwell 097 Kevin Werner 098 Kevin Werner 099 Huub J. P. de Lijser 100 Robert Dalton 101 David Rolla 102 Jonathan Larkowski 103 Nathan Bradley 104 Nathan Bradley 105 Nathan Bradley 106 Scott Spehar 107 Adam Ensinger 108 Todd Hartmann 109 Todd Hartmann 110 Paul Goracke 111 Brian Ross 112 Rob Schuldt 113 Randy Haskin 114 Chuck Hanley 115 Brandon Elhai 116 Jonah Lin 117 Eric Anderson 118 Joseph Jurczyk 119 Kevin Howard 120 Henrik Gustafsson 121 Lars Karlsson 122 Derek Reubish 123 Anthony Kozar 124 Brandon Vaughn 125 Bracken Odiorne 126 Mark Tedhams 127 Jeff Penka 128 Jeff Penka 129 Jeff Penka 130 Rick Atkinson 131 Paul Holloway 132 Antti Nyrhinen 133 Antti Nyrhinen 134 Olov Ringman 135 Olov Ringman 136 Olov Ringman 137 Olov Ringman 138 Olov Ringman 139 Olov Ringman 140 Jarrod Ramsey Lewis 141 Mike Johander 142 Mike Johander 143 Bafu Vai 144 Bafu Vai 145 Michael Hutchinson 146 Matt Leger 147 Bill Barry 148 Chris Fyhr 149 Chris Fyhr 150 Siegfried Hanisch 151 Siegfried Hanisch 152 Tilman Kuendgen 153 Andrew Feyder 154 Eric Crowder 155 Scott McCammon 156 Kees Jan Oltmans 157 Paul Fini 158 Jeff Seifert 159 Andreas Kasper 160 Jonas Wallden 161 Jonas Wallden 162 Jonas Wallden 163 Scott Johnson 164 Chris Sandridge 165 Christina Sunarto 166 Gregory Cole 167 Rob Devereux 168 David Hafke 169 David Sloan 170 Joe Kruger 171 Adam Forsyth 172 Adam Forsyth 173 Adam Forsyth 174 Kevin Laferriere 175 Carmen Pezzone 176 David Boland 177 David Boland 178 Ties Gobel 179 Hairball 180 Rob Castilone 181 Rich Toscano 182 Simon Asselin 183 Simon Asselin 184 Brian Fieg 185 Younis Hilal 186 Ryan Skadberg 187 Ryan Skadberg 188 Rob Schenk 189 E. Bayyestuen 190 E. Bayyestuen 191 Darren Freed 192 Mats Rydstrom 193 Stacie Rosenzweig 194 Asif Khan 195 Chris Caminiti 196 Evelyn Lauer 197 Evelyn Lauer 198 Evelyn Lauer 199 Jennifer Sharward 200 Justin Poulter 201 Deb Hanson 202 Aaron Jacobs 203 Robert MacAusland 204 R.H.G. Tijhuis 205 Michael Ibach 206 Erik Ahlberg 207 Peter Memishian 208 Ron Samartino 209 Scott Hansen 210 Greg Sands 211 Greg Sands 212 Jim Golding 213 Evelyn Lauer 214 Elliott Kim 215 Damian O'Hara 216 Jaison John 217 Jaison John 218 Lars Hellsten 219 Jason Skewes 220 Ryan Benedict 221 Cem Unsal 222 Yohan Moore 223 Frode Johnson 224 Frode Johnson 225 Ken Maupin 226 Kevin Czarnecki 227 Tim Wyse 228 Thomas Nerwinski 229 Thomas Nerwinski 230 Steve Van Hooser 231 Ed Polzin 232 Daniel Robinson 233 Michael Harper 234 Ken Bibb 235 George Bast 236 Dave Barlow 237 Jan-Michael Souter 238 Paul LaFleche 239 Meghan Middleton 240 Petri Mannikko 241 Dobronte Gabor 242 Dobronte Gabor 243 Koby Fuessler 244 Andreas Kasper 245 Brian Hengeveld 246 Jeff Windle 247 Mark Ruenes 248 Jon King 249 Tim Villa 250 Matthew Erwich 251 Sameer Ajmera 252 Mark Whitaker 253 Jaime Kimpton 254 Andrew Garinger 255 JD Wolters 256 JD Wolters 257 Jeremy Curvens 258 Neil Evans 259 Hank Marquardt 260 Jeff Windle 261 Mike Rapazzo 262 Damion Kumara 263 Alan Mallery 264 Gunter Obiltsching 265 Doug Yoder 266 Doug Yoder 267 Doug Yoder 268 Doug Yoder 269 Doug Yoder 270 Eli Cooper 271 Michael Kizer 272 James Daugherty 273 John Hough 274 John Hough 275 Doug Merrell 276 Chris Freed 277 Dino Zisis 278 Adam Coolong 279 David Peterson 280 Mark Metzger 281 Mark Jager 282 Greg Legowski 283 John Nguyen 300 Brandon Beach 303 John Mastin 313 Evelyn Lauer 314 Jason Hartman 324 Yuji Miyazaki 332 Kev 333 William Bajzek (666) 334 William Bajzek (666) 350 Kev 400 David Fox 413 Kev 420 John Mastin 432 Kev 444 Jeremy Van Halen 456 Taz 499 Edward Ju (999) 500 Steve McMaster
If I messed up, TELL ME! I've proven to be far from perfect with these orders...
2. What the hell IS Subconscious, and how can I get it?!?
Subconscious is a CD, a project I undertook simply because I thought maybe it should be done. It's totally privately financed, and I think with the number of reservations that have been made, I will come out of it with my head above water, for which I owe the trustworthy members of Ytsejam a bow of gratitude. :)
NOTICE: This CD, I found out, is grey-area legality, because: 1. It's for promotional purposes only, not for resale, and; 2. It's not for sale. What you're actually purchasing from me is psychic advice. I'm throwing a free CD in with every session. Notice all of my messages end with "Take care"? That's pretty good advice! :) 3. The cost only covers manufacturing and shipping. I barely make minimum wage. Maybe I should turn myself in to Immigration! :)
But seriously folks... as pertains to the issue of legality, I'm not trying to make myself out to be some sort of arrogant ass. I'm doing this project for the benefit of the Jam, and DT is overlooking it for now (maybe because they want their free copies? heheh)... I'm not making a killing doing it, and it's taking an awful lot of time to get done. I sincerely thank all of you Jammers who have had nothing but kind words for my efforts, and I implore those of you who might not think very highly of my project here, to please, give me the benefit of the doubt on this one. Friends? :)
What happened was, I felt it was time to release some of Dream Theater's rarer songs on CD, and thus I sought good copies from everywhere, including some that came from sources connected directly to the band! Thus, I think I can safely say that these are the best copies you can find outside of those in Portnoy's vault at home.
I bought a CD burner and rented equipment from a CD pressing plant nearby, so I could produce the discs. They will have printing on them and a liner cover. I had to order blanks and jewelcases in lots of 500 or more, though, and thus the risk was made: I emptied my bank account and placed the order. Fortunately, it seems I will make up the difference with CD sales.
The blanks made it and I'm underway filling the orders. The price is $25.00 US per disc. It was originally going to be $27.50, but the CD place had a good price on blanks. Its true, as one Jammer pointed out, that I could have kept the higher price and said nothing about the blanks being cheaper than before... and nobody would have known. I did it in hopes of furthering the fans-for-fans attitude that has (thankfully) already spread throughout the net, and which I am aiding as best I can with this CD project.
The CD pressing plant I got all my materials from previewed my current master, and decided it just wouldn't do. Without charging me a penny more for another glass master, they agreed to take on the job of fully digitally remastering the disc! They gave me a great rate on the studio time too.
So now it's done! The disc has been totally redone in Dolby Digital Surround Sound, compatible with any CD player but MUCH MUCH better than before, and compatible with Pro-Logic systems for full instrument separation on most tracks. The studio used the certified THX transfer guidelines to make sure everything would be as good as possible on the disc. Since I was not using the original master tapes, it couldn't be certified as a THX release.. too bad, that would have been pretty funny! :) Again, it's not a THX disc, but they used the good stuff to make it. The remastering involved a thorough noise cleanup and proper re-phasing of the instruments for surround.
Every track stands out so much better, Eve and Change of Seasons are _better than they were on TDOE_, and songs that I was hoping would sound better, such as Don't Look Past Me and Mission Impossible, now have nary a fuzz or distortion spot. It's so clean, it's the way CD was meant to be. I was confident before that this disc would satisfy the DT collector that _had_ to have it all... now I am confident that if you like DT at all and are familiar with the usual sound of their older boots.. it will BLOW YOU AWAY. :)
The tracks that were the worst originally; Wanted Dead Or Alive, Tears, Winter, and The Gorilla Session, were improved tremendously. WDOA is now on par with the best, Tears and Winter are downright tolerable (if you'd only heard the HISS...) and Gorilla... well... we tried. :) It's okay, for a recording that was horribly done to begin with.
Here's the still-final tracklist:
1. Eve (live w/samples) 2. A Change of Season (live) 3. O Holy Night 4. Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight 5. Don't Look Past Me 6. Wanted Dead or Alive 7. To Live Forever (acoustic version) 8. The Gorilla Session 9. Mission: Impossible 10. The Back Pain Jam (RPM Warehouse) 11. Awake Heavy Jam 12. Experimental 13. Tears 14. Winter
In some cases, the rawness of the original recording will be evident, but at least you know you're hearing it the best way it can possibly be reproduced. Subconscious is _the_ DT event of early 1995! :)
Here's how to order: (or how to pay for your reserved discs)
1. Please use a money order. It's simply the best way, and they cost twenty to forty cents. Make it out to me for $25.00 per disc that you want (limit 5 to a person) and I am paying the shipping cost. Each CD will be mailed in a cushioned mailer so it won't get damaged. Please make out the money order to me, Michael Bahr, not to Feel The Rush or anything like that, since this is really just my own personal endeavor.
I accepted checks for the Rush Video Montage, but a few bounced, and I was left holding the bag. I've put too much money into this, and can't afford to be stuck with bad checks, even though I trust 99% of you Ytsejam members. Plus, best of all, a money order can be traced by you, traced by me, and you know for a _fact_ that you will either get a CD, a refund, or I will get thrown in the slammer! :)
2. International customers, I know international money orders are expensive. If there is another way you wish to pay (wire, transfer, or other) let me know and if I can do it, we'll do it. So far just sending cash has been 100% successful, so I guess there's no real harm in it. If you choose to send cash, send it in a thick envelope so it is less risky. For orders of more than one disc, it is economical and safe to use a traveler's cheque.
3. Please allow 2-4 weeks for delivery. By now, you know why. :)
4. I finagled myself a bigger mailbox at my apartment complex, so in order to keep the orders moving fast, send it to me at the new address. It is:
Michael Bahr 3175 N. Price Rd. #1066 Chandler, AZ 85224
That's my real address, not a PO Box... so don't worry, I'm not planning on fleeing the country any time soon.
If you happen to live in the Phoenix area feel free to page me at 602-232-6647. Besides all the CD stuff, I'm always up for lunch 'n' trading with local Jammers.
5. Send in your order: . Your NAME . The ADDRESS for me to SEND your CD(s) to . The NUMBER of CDs you're asking for . The money order, made out for $25, $50, $75, whatever . your EMAIL address, in case I need to contact you (emerg.)
. (OPTIONAL) your home phone.
I won't require home phone because I want you to all feel safe that I am not selling mailing lists. :) If you _do_ include it, I will use it in case of emergency (maybe the mailman spills coffee on your order and I can't read your address or something).
3. Original press masters...
The gold disc is sold. The glass master, I didn't get to keep. That was sort of a sore point for me, since I paid for it, but the plant says they just re-use them anyway. Ah well.
4. Epilogue
I am at garion@indirect.com and will remain there until the end of time, so please mail me if you are confused, need information, are angry, sad, lonely, maybe even a little whimsical, and need to get in touch with me. Thank you ALL for showing such solidarity that a 21-year-old college student emptied his bank account to order tons of plastic! :) You are truly, one and all, ladies and gentlemen, the best fans Dream Theater could hope for.
Take care of yourselves, everybody...
-Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com, humble DT discog editor, anime' collector, videogame player, CD presser, bass player, guitar player, backup vocalist, beer drinker, college stoodent, and secretly, vampire by night. :)
"Fail me English? That's unpossible!" - Ralph Wiggum
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