YTSEJAM Digest 795
Today's Topics:
1) metropolis
by Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
2) No "Good Times" content!
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
by pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu>
4) YTSE CONVENTION UPDATE
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
5) Re: Consciously Unreal and other boots
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
6) Echolyn
by david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
7) Re: guitartracks
by toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
9) Kevin's demos
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
by Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
11) subscribe:ytsejam amirali
by "Amirali Mazaheri" <AMIRALI@edu.szote.u-szeged.hu>
12) Guitar tracks (Bernd)
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
13) Crack The Sky-NON DT
by <schew@tis.com>
14) That stupid good times post of mine.
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
15) literature
by Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
16) getting into echolyn
by Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
17) kev demos
by John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu>
18) New Yjammer, Old Progressive Fan
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
19)
by
20) RUSH/SP
by Deebor@aol.com
21) Y Kant Tori Read: CD for sale
by Terry Weaver <cygnus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
22) A Mind Beside Itself
by Deebor@aol.com
23) Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
by "Derek D. Sussner" <derek@pandora.micro.umn.edu>
24) Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
by khiggins@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
25) SUBCONCIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
26) Replies about DT tablature
by BUNTS@delphi.com
27) Oops!
by Deebor@aol.com
28) The other JAPAN video
by 91laujon@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (LAU JONATHAN)
29) ACoS EP
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 06:11:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: metropolis
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950424061100.3364A-100000@freenet.grfn.org>
Yeah, Bafu, that part of Corinthians was in my post, but somehow it got
deleted.
M.A. VanOpstall
mavanop@grfn.org
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 04:35:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: No "Good Times" content!
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504240414.A22775-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
William T. Dalton: bootlegs? Speak Of The Devil, sir! I hope my review of
CU helped somewhat in your decision-making.
Mike Bahr: yeah, isn't the scanner a wonderful thing? I mailed one of
those out to Jason Hartman, and hopefully I'll get some more out to other
Ytsejammers in the weeks to come. I am currently undertaking a cleaning-up
of the picture from the back of Live At The Marquee. Those photos are so
grainy... But I shall prevail! I also have the one that I sent you with a
different shot of the band, an "alternative" graphic if you will, which
will be mailed out the day the Subconscious cakes and 5-Disc pinata grace
my mailbox. (if you aren't Mike Bahr, you probably won't get that last
line.)
It occured to me after writing that review of Consciously Unreal why
James' singing is the way it is, what with the cracking and all. He simply
refuses to sing in anything other than his chest-voice. The man was
obviously a samurai in a past life. His honor dictates that he shall not
go falsetto! EVER! To go falsetto is to admit vocal defeat! James LaBrie
shall not bow to the limits of normal chest-voices! He shall hone his
chest-voice and overcome the boundaries of human ranges and tones and belt
out the highest notes ever heard from a human throat, with power
equivalent to that of an elephant trumpet-blast!!
Yeah, I think that is why his singing is inconsistent, because there are
times when letting his tone go slightly to his head voice (let it all go
to his head?) would make his singing easier and clearer. But that is
obviously not what he wants to do. He pushes so hard to keep all his
singing in his natural voice that the vocal lines suffer sometimes. I
still think if he'd just relax a little or take a happy-potion before the
shows that his singing would go a lot smoother. Anyone? Anyone?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 04:43:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: pandora <pandora@u.washington.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91i.950424043833.23950D-100000@saul4.u.washington.edu>
On Mon, 24 Apr 1995, david horton wrote:
> OK not only am i new here but I am a little bit confused. Is Kev's demo
> any good or not. There are mixed feelings about it and I want to get it
> but am not sure now. I do like some NIN but don't worship the stuff does
> anybody think that I will like it or not. give me some ideas please.
Whether it is good or not, it is only the insanely cheap person who
bitches about the quality of an essentially free tape. Look at it this
way: you pay only postage and price of a tape... if you don't like the
demo you have a prefectly good tape, and you're only out the price of
postage... no biggie! If you want my .02 cents worth on it, some songs
are indeed better than others, but *all* of them have parts worth
listening to, and learning from. Besides, it is Kevin Moore, someone I
want to support, someone I respect very much for trusting his fans enough
to *give* us copies of his work in progress, and it does make a really
neat (and very unique) addition to a collection. Just my .02 cents worth.
~Jeff
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSE CONVENTION UPDATE
Message-ID: <01HPPR7MM0F00018M4@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Good morning everyone, it's BABS. I know that I have been quiet about this
for a while, but I had to wait for a response from DT's management about
this. Here's the deal so far. As many of you know DT will be going over to
Germany in July and they are scheduled to be back in the recording studios in
June. Their management informed me today that they have met with the band
and they were able to speak with Mike P directly about the convention.
According to management he is very interested in checking out the convention.
Their management said that Mike's response was "if we are done recording at
that time/on that day, I am interesting in checking it out." That's all I
have so far. I will keep you posted! Does anybody want to sing Ren and
Stimpy's "Happy Happy, Joy Joy" with me?
-BABS
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:26:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Consciously Unreal and other boots
Message-ID: <199504241526.LAA18735@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
> Subject: Consciously Unreal
>
> Alright, for all those who have not heard or do not own this cd, here is
> the official Bafu Vai review. I just got this cd two days ago. It's a
> two-cd set: CD 1 is from Milan, Italy, from the Images tour. CD 2 is the
> encore from the Milan show, followed by a short show from New York, USA,
> with Charlie Dominici on vocals (pre-Images). Yes, I like this cd a lot.
>
> Overall packaging: Beautiful. Nice colors, nice layout, nice photos.
>
> The Recording: clear as one can expect from an audience recording. I don't
> know if this was soundboard, but considering the amount of close crowd
Actually... I'd have to say that this is, in relative terms, one of
the worst DT aud CDs that I have heard... Listen to DoE and you'll
see what I mean... Actually, Skyway Of Nightmares and Live In Long
Island are worse... but CU, in terms of CD boots just can't cut it,
IMO... If you want to hear what an AUD recording can sound like,
listen to DoE, or Rush's Over The Europe for CD quality... Also,
check out some of Brian Cox's DATs... those are incredible quality.
As far as packaging goes, I though that it wasn't bad... until I saw
what any Why Not? or KTS CD packaging look like... These ones
sometimes put legit releases to shame...
As far as the person who asked about boot quality, and which to get,
I'd say the top 2 to get are:
Dance Of Eternity (2CD Why Not? SRL version, not 1CD version)
Lost In The Sky (2CD, Metal Blade/Why Not? SRL)
DoE is incredible quality and includes ACOS. LitS is soundboard w/
great song selction including Mission: Impossible, Afterlife, Puppies
On Acid, Barfbag, OAMOT, March Of The Tyrant and Eve.
After that, I'd say some of the FM KTS boots like Lords Of Sound and
Dream Out Loud as well as Majestic Harmonies (Metal Crash/Why Not).
--
+----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+
| And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael |
| And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin |
| And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+
| And I'll never be open again | Let's Go Pens |
+----------------------------------------+--------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 09:20:51 -0400
From: david@pharlap.CI.COM (David B. Kuznick)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Echolyn
Message-ID: <9504241320.AA05728@pharlap.ci.com>
>
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 1995 22:45:07 -0500 (CDT)
> From: "Derek D. Sussner" <derek@pandora.micro.umn.edu>
>
> Echolyn: I just picked up As The World, and am rather dissapointed. It
> seems to be cross between Yes and Queen - I was under the impression that
> it was more along the lines of DT - a heavier edge, with more powerful
> vocals.
Why were you under that impression? Did someone tell you that?
It seems that DT is really in a class
> by themselves, and difficult to compare to other bands. Does Echolyn's
> music get better with listening?
Absolutely! I found them very much like Gentle Giant (one of their
main influences); an aquired taste (pardon the GG pun :-). And seeing
them live is what REALLY made me "see the light". Give 'em a chance.
But if all you (pl., not you in particular Derek) like is heavy stuff,
you probably won't like 'em.
David Kuznick - david@ci.com (preferred) or dkuznick@world.std.com
Life is far too simple for our lives to be complex ___
We take things like God, Love and Life and pile them in our human mess {~._.~}
We suffocate the bloom with man-made walls and fences ( Y )
We suffocate the bloom in false righteousness ()~L~()
"Suffocating the Bloom" - ECHOLYN (Support US prog-rock!!!) (_)-(_)
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 08:52:31 PDT
From: toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: guitartracks
Message-ID: <9504241552.AA01442@doc.sdsc.edu>
Hey-
They are a couple of ways to make a single guitar signal
sound stereo. For instance, if you were to delay the signal slightly
(to get it out of phase from the original), and pan the original
all the way to one side and the delayed signal all the way to the
other, it will sound (sort of) like 2 guitars. A stereo chorus effect
on a single signal will do the same- sending 2 slightly different
signals to the 2 channels.
However, I like you believe that guitars were doubled on Awake.
Does anybody know the status of whether they will come back
in the summer and tour again?
rich
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:58:08 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
Message-ID: <199504241555.LAA22370@nic.iii.net>
>Hi Jammers.
>
>Yesterday I listened to IaW and the Awake Album with my headphones on and
>there came up a question for you technical dudes ;) :
>There was one guitar at my left and one at my right ear. When I listened
>to them carefully I heard that that there was a little "squick"-sound
>when Petrucci changed the chord on the one ear but not on the other.
>So the guitar must be dubbled. Does anyone know how many guitar-
>tracks they used on the records? I think there must be at least two.
>If I'm wrong, is it possible to get an instrument that's recorded mono
>to a stereo-signal so that you hear it left and right? I don't think
>that they did this on these CDs but is it possible?
>
>Ok, that's all for now.
>
>Bye.
>
>Bernd.
Bernd. I don't know how many guitar tracks are on it but it's not unlikely
that the guitar is doubled. He probably just played it twice. Otherwise, he
could have recorded onto two tracks at one time so he's have the exact same
part doubled but then you wouldn't hear a discrepancy in the two sides.
Some other engineering type can correct me if I'm wrong but when a band
records, the put all the stuff on seperate tracks - bass on track 1, guitar
on track 2, etc. They might have 24 tracks or more. Then they mix it down
to a stereo recording (one track all mixed). When they mix down, they can
pan so that guitar 1 is left and guitar 2 is right.
hope this helps
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 11:58:16 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Kevin's demos
Message-ID: <199504241555.LAA22375@nic.iii.net>
So I keep hearing about Kevin's demos and I'd really like to hear them. Can
someone tell me where I can get them?
Thanks
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 13:11:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hairball <hairball@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.950424130835.21965C-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Oh, jeez...
Ya'll with your Hot Sticks shit...
I believe I've made a mistake. The stick that Mike gave me has been
M.I.A. for quite sometime - I think it's in a box in my room that I am
unaware of the location of...but, anyway, it MIGHT be a Power Tool Stick.
It is, however PURPLE, thus, the mistake.
Besides, I'm not a drummer - I play bass/guitar/keyboards and sing, but,
I am not a drummer. I can program a drum machine, and maybe keep a
straight 4/4 beat on my band's drummer's kit, but, that's it. =)
In either case, I hope you all stop whining.
-Hairball
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:54:40 MET
From: "Amirali Mazaheri" <AMIRALI@edu.szote.u-szeged.hu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: subscribe:ytsejam amirali
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE2-101.950424125440.320@edu.szote.u-szeged.hu>
subscribe:ytsejam amirali
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:40:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Guitar tracks (Bernd)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.950424141824.984D-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
This is an answer to Bernd's question about the John Petrucci's guitar
tracks. Most of the tracks are doubled (I'm not sure how many times).
Doulbling a guitar track usually makes it sound heavier (at least
distorted tracks). The effect of having doubled tracks is more noticable
if they are slightly different. It's the small differences in the two
tracks that make it "bigger." Doubling only works well with guitars and
vocals. This has to do with whats called the harmonic overtone series (I
won't explain it now, but if you must know just email me). It's also why
you don't see many bands with six bass players.
The problem with just splitting one track into two is that the impact is
lost, since the tracks are just mirror images of each other. You may
think that if doubling sounds better, than having ten guitar tracks would
be great, but this is not the case. Although with modern recording
technology this is possible, you may run into a problem called phase
cancellation. This happens when you have so much of certain frequencies
that they cancel each other out. Your guitar orchestra would turn to
mush. There are ways in the studio to keep the tracks separated, but
there is a point where adding more tracks wouldn't help any.
Enough with the physics lesson
Later,
Sean
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:40:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Crack The Sky-NON DT
Message-ID: <9224.9504242040@ragnarok.tis.com>
>
>Crack The Sky is basically a Baltimore band and hence get
>a lot of airplay around here. but the only airplay they get are
>from their first 2 albums which I think are their only good ones.
>
Actually, the albums that you mention below are their 1st and 4th
albums (which come together on a single CD). If you like those albums you
should try their 3rd, "Safety in Numbers", which is my favorite album of
theirs (I have heard one song off that album on Baltimore radio). You may
also want to try "Animal Notes" which is their 2nd album and is not bad.
"Safety and Numbers" and "Animal Notes" also come together on one CD so you
may want to keep an eye out for it.
>I have the cd which combines both albums:
>Crack the Sky:Crack the Sky/White Music
>
>the best tunes from there:surf city/she's a dancer/skin deep/
>all american boy/hot razors in my heart
>
Don't forget "Sea Epic" and "Sleep"! I love those songs.... :-)
Steve
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:26:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: That stupid good times post of mine.
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.950424152614.12854B-100000@sparc.isl.net>
Yeah...I'm basically net dumb. Sorry about that stupid post yesterday.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 16:47:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Michael Van Opstall <mavanop@grfn.ORG>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: literature
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.950424164302.2057B-100000@freenet.grfn.org>
Thanks to Bafu Vai for filling the gap in my Corinthians mailing. It must
have disappeared on its way from here to the 'jam. Anyway, here's a
little ref from A Mind Beside Itself to Book I of John Milton's Paradise
Lost:
..A mind not to be changed by place or time
The mind is its own place and in itself
Can make a Heaven of Hell, a Hell of Heaven
Sounds a lot like the lyrics to Voices especially the last line of it and
some other parts. Who knows?
M.A. VanOpstall
mavanop@grfn.org
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:43:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu>
To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: getting into echolyn
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91i.950424142908.73052B-100000@homer10.u.washington.edu>
to whomever it was
who was having a hard time
getting into echolyn
I had the same problem
when I first got the disk
so I put it in with a lot of other
prog stuff
and randomised it
that allowed me to get to know the songs well individually
and now I can't seem to take the disk out of my player
especially the last track...
wow
chris
it's hard to continue onward l r.christopher hailey
when forever comes down + pass@u.washington.edu
it comes down so heavy l egostatic@aol.com
too final to forget + __ _.. _. _ .. .
you've got to believe
there's something more echolyn "never the same"
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 17:51:50 -0400
From: John B Ashcraft <jbashcra@uncc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: kev demos
Message-ID: <199504242151.RAA15066@unccsun.uncc.edu>
For all of you taht have mailed me at Godsize@arastar.com I have changed to
jbashcraAD
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 15:29:54 -0700
From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: New Yjammer, Old Progressive Fan
Message-ID: <v01520c00abc16d358347@[204.161.33.79]>
I'm a new Yjammer (since Digest 786), but I've listened to Progressive
since the early 70's. Does that make me old? Just a few comments on what
I've read so far in the digests:
>791 ..Also the last line of Metropolis:
Love is the Dance of Eternity
And the last line of Corinthians 13:
And now these three remain, faith hope and love,
but the greatest of these is love
Also recall the line in Metropolis immediately proceeding the one quoted
above. 'Faith, Hope and Love'. Isn't this also the name of an album by
DT's managereal stablemates, King's X ? Also KX's 'Out of the Silent
Planet' , part of the C.S. Lewis' 'Space Trilogy' ?
By the way, since there seem to be some Extreme addicts among the Yjammers,
what do YOU think 'The Truth,' from '3 Sides to Every Story' means?
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What about progressive violinists who can 'play like guitarists': Jerry
Goodman (check out the alternating solos with John McLaughlin and Jan
Hammer on Mahavishnu Orchestra's 'Birds of Fire'), Also David LaFlamme
('It's a Beautiful Day:' White Bird, etc.), Jon-Luc Ponty (also played with
Mahavishnu and Alan Holdsworth), Robby Steinhardt (sp?), Kansas, and Eddie
Jobson (U.K. and Jethro Tull). Arent't the 'pedigrees' of many progressive
artists interesting? Alot of the progs have played/recorded with other
progs at one time or another.
On 789: Asia, these guys have been around a long time, although are any of
the originals lefts? They seem to have all gone back to their old bands
(Yes, ELP, etc.).
On 791: With Fripp, Belew, Levin and Bruford, is it possible for King
Crimson to make a BAD album? Of course if its too good, it'll probably
scare (simple-mided) people away; but isn't true of almost all Progressive
music?
On 790:On ex-Kansan (?) John Elephante. I saw him a few years ago with his
band called Mastadon (good and loud, almost collapsed my chest). He has
also formed a production company called ... get this ... 'Pachyderm
Records' with his brother Dino (Do I sense a trend in names here or what?)
Also, for he who asked: Leftoverture and Point of Know Return are, in my
opionion, the creme of Kansas' albums, although I stress that all Kansas
is good.
For anyone interested, the quotation in my signature is from a book by Ayn
Rand, who, as I have heard, had a significant influence on the much-read
Neal Peart and the lyrics on Rush's '2112' (Ask Uncle Joe at KLOS (Los
Angeles, 95.5 FM).
--Randall L. Braun
It felt like the impossible attempt to create a sensory image of non-existence
--AYN RAND, Atlas Shrugged
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:17:52 -0400
From: Deebor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RUSH/SP
Message-ID: <950424221732_95051155@aol.com>
Ready? This message makes up for all the DT content in my previous message by
having no DT content whatsoever!
Before I go on, I would like to say that the Smashing Pumpkins are one of the
only alternative bands that I like, and that I like them for their music, not
their popularity(I had their albums before their big radio debut). I think
they are good songwriters and while not nearly as talented as DT, they make
some nice music to listen to. So...
I was listening to Rush the other day and it got to "Force Ten" where he says
"Skin as thick as these... thick as these"(or something like that.. I have
Chronicles, so no lyrics) Yeah, anyway, I was thinking "Where did I hear
that before?" and I realized in "La Dolly Vita"(B-side) by SP, he sings the
line "Skin as thick as these". Has anyone else noticed this? Or are they
only lyrics that sound the same but have different words? I also remember
reading an article in Bay Area Music (I think) about how at one SP concert
the lead singer began reciting Rush lyrics on stage. Could SP be big fans of
Rush? Hmmm....
Deebor
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 20:56:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Terry Weaver <cygnus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Y Kant Tori Read: CD for sale
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9504242041.A3090-0100000@huey.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject says it all, folks...I ran across a bootleg CD copy of
Y Kant Tori Read, and since there has been so much discussion here
as of late, I thought I'd pick it up for anyone who wants it.
Tracks are:
Big Picture/Cool on your Island/Fayth/Fire on the Side/Pirates/Floating
City/Heart Attack at 23/On the Boundary/You go to my Head/Etienne Trilogy
plus Ode to the Banana King (Part I), Song for Eric, Happy Phantom (live),
and a couple of other songs they listed as "Bonus tracks."
There is no doubt that this is a bootleg, but if anyone is interested,
email and I'll see if I can grab it for you. I'll give you the same
price that the store has it listed for.
Terry
cygnus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:18:12 -0400
From: Deebor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: A Mind Beside Itself
Message-ID: <950424221724_95050970@aol.com>
Okay, this is a follow-up of a message posted a few days ago by someone else
concerning Erotomania. This is what I think it means:
A Mind Beside Itself, I'm guessing, is probably about someone trying to
overcome his desires of either stalking someone else, or having an affair or
something with someone else. My basis of judgement? Well, first of all the
first song is titled "Erotomania"(explained earlier) The person in this
trilogy has strong sexual desires for either the someone he's stalking, or
the someone he's having an affair with. "Voices" I think has something to do
with voices compelling this person to give up his desire and other voices
telling the person to pursue the desire. For example: "Love, just don't
stare", "Should I turn on my religion? These demons in my head tell me to",
etc, etc. A battle between good and sin. There are many more passages in the
song that hint at this as well. The mood of the music also seems to fit.
And at the end of the song, I guess this person gives up his desire or
something "This neverworld that you desire is only in your mind" Then,(I'm
not sure about this part) this person decides to "remain silent" and not
pursue the sin, hence "The Silent Man" and also the lighter, more pleasant
tone of music. So what do you guys think? There are probably plenty more
interpretations of this song; just here to tell you mine. I've got
interpretations of many other DT songs, too. On Awake, I probably understand
the meaning of The Mirror the best. I might post my interp later on.. Does
anyone else have any? Please post them as I haven't figured out the meanings
of many DT songs. Many DT songs might have been written only to sound
lyrically beautiful and not have a deeper meaning, but anyway..
Oh, and musically speaking about AMBI, you've probably all noticed the Silent
Man theme within Erotomania(in the middle-end), but have you guys heard the
Erotomania theme within Voices? I'm telling you this because I just realized
it a few weeks ago. It's in the part where the Prix-Mo guy is saying "You
got to know who you're dealing with, because like a stranger, it's like
coming through here with a gun". You can hear the opening guitar-bass theme
of Erotomania in the background.(As I remember, I think it's played by
keyboard) Cool, huh?
While I'm on the subject of Awake themes, the beginning of The Mirror is
played again toward the end of Lie(the heavy guitar triplets) and the end of
The Mirror is also done again at the end of Lie(the high sounding keyboard
bells). This is understandable since the songs are connected, but did anyone
else hear "Space-Dye Vest" at the end of The Mirror?
Oh yeah, you know what else I've noticed? When Kevin writes lyrics, he tends
to base it more on rhyme, and structure while JP writes based on story and
not as much for rhyme and structure. They're both extremely good
songwriters. Just thought I'd point that out.
That's about it. FULL of DT content, eh? Maybe I've been listening a bit
too much...
Deebor
By the way, the ending intrumental of Innocence Faded still rules!!!
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:54:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Derek D. Sussner" <derek@pandora.micro.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 794
Message-ID: <Pine.NXT.3.91.950424225332.8573B-100000@pandora>
To Erik Ahlberg: A Ystecon in Minneapolis would be absolutely marvelous!
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 95 22:12:06 MDT
From: khiggins@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Ken Higginson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 793
Message-ID: <9504250412.AA20243@nyx10.cs.du.edu>
To all those who doubt that Mike plays Hot Sticks:
I have one.
It's purple, has his signature on it, and the Dream Theater logo (and M).
And yeah, he plays with the other end, that's the end that's ruined.
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Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:20:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: SUBCONCIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950424221310.2149A-100000@benji.Colorado.EDU>
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
WWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO---------------HHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
All I had a chance to listen to before I went to work was
A Change Of Seasons (I MADE time for that) and Tears and Winter, but I
soiled about 4 pairs of underwear!!!!
All I can say is, Mike, YOU FUCKIN' KICK ASS, MAN!!! SUBCONCIOUS
RULZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One small request from anyone though, could someone post the
lyrics to ACOS??? When people start getting the CD's, they'll ask for
them too. Just saving people the effort.
I think that everyone who gets the Subconcious CD owes Mike a
debt of gratitude and certainly no fewer than the donation of three
personal vital organs. Mike, my gall bladder, spleen, and hypothalimus
are IN THE MAIL!!!!
THanks dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greg Bunk-ster
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:27:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: BUNTS@delphi.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Replies about DT tablature
Message-ID: <01HPQL0NVVX4939Y5C@delphi.com>
Thanks everyone for your replies inquiring about DT tab and
magazine articles! It was a manageable number of replies, so I
think I can accommodate them all. I will be responding in a
short time by email to those of you who made requests to let
you know when to expect your copies. Unfortunately, I don't
have an OCR scanner or anything, so I'll be providing
photocopies via snailmail for the time being.
For those of you who missed YTSEJAM Digest #793, I posted a
list of DT magazine tablature and articles that I have
collected over time. Please email if you would like the list.
An outdated list appears at the anonymous FTP-site
"ftp.netcom.com".
This is going to be a pretty heavy week for me, so I would
appreciate your patience. I will get these requests out very
shortly.
Final reminder: My original purpose in compiling this list is
so that DT fans have an information RESOURCE. That is, a
register of items that can be consulted for the inquiring fan
or musician (or likely both!) I don't mind sending out these
copies, but it would be nice if people would let me know if
they come across items on their own and feel that the group can
benefit. I have seen discussion about DT appearances in
regional magazines, like the Portnoy drum set description in a
Baltimore area mag for example. That kind of thing.
Great hearing from you all!! I'll be in touch with each of you
individually.
Best Regards,
Andrew.
The finest opportunity ever given the world was thrown away
because the passion for Equality made vain the hope for
Freedom.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:52:41 -0400
From: Deebor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Oops!
Message-ID: <950425015239_95316185@aol.com>
Nevermind my other message about Rush/SP. I went back to listen to "La Dolly
Vita". He sings "She has given me", not "Skin as thick as these". Same
difference. Anyway, sorry for the false alarm. I'm pretty sure about Billy
Corgan reciting Rush lyrics on stage, tho'.
Deebor, who obviously thinks the world's going to turn prog overnight.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 07:02:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: 91laujon@wave.scar.utoronto.ca (LAU JONATHAN)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The other JAPAN video
Message-ID: <9504251102.AA04965@wave.scar.utoronto.ca>
Man I'm so excited! I just got a Concert video in the mail.
It's Dream Theater Live in Urawa, Saitama, Japan.
It's supposedly a Japanese pay/view special that was aired
live on January 24, 1995. Awesome! They played every song
off _AWAKE_ EXCEPT for "Innocence Faded", "Scarred", and
"Space dye vest".
They also played "Pull me under", "Another Day", "Take the
time", and they played "Metropolis" for an encore.
Mike Portnoy did his drum solo during the instrumental
section of CiaW. Half way through the show everyone sang
Happy Birthday for John Myung. They even brought out a cake.
There was a 15 second period of silence to remember those who
died in the earthquake. Right after that they went into "The
Silent Man". By the way, the new guy, Derek Sherinian was
playing the keys on this video. He's pretty good and I'm very
impressed by his skill.
Anyways, let me apologize to everybody if you've already heard
about this video. I'm probably the zillionth person to write
about it. Sorry eh. I'm just so thrilled about this video.
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Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:11:07 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ACoS EP
Message-ID: <199504250811.BAA00656@netcom21.netcom.com>
You know what would be really killer?
If Don't Look Past Me is on the ACoS EP...
That's a killer song...
-The Doc
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