YTSEJAM Digest 798
Today's Topics:
1) Pier 6 Show (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
2) Sound fx
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
3) THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
4) Dream Theater
by MuzicDude@aol.com
5) Sign me up!!!
by mkristal@eel.ufl.edu (Matthew Kristal)
6) REQ: Tokyo, Japan CD Stores
by James Utz 27-Apr-1995 1112 <utz@pcbuoa.enet.dec.com>
7) YTSEJAM POLL
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
9) Pier 6 Show (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
10) Re: ACoS EP
by Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE>
11) Re: falsetto
by An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) YTSE Convention
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
13) Sound fx
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
14) Re: Harry Connick... (is there an echo in here?)
by JennieBear@aol.com
15) Re: Sonata Form
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Innocence Faded ending
by stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner)
17) Rush, Queensryche, and Derek Sherinian
by Jim Beavens <beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 797
by jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte)
19) RE: YTSEJAM POLL
by SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
20) DT, Ayn Rand, King Crimson and Prog Music
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
21) DT, Alceringa and Tel'aran'rhiod
by debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun)
22) Re: YTSEJAM digest 797
by brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne)
23) Re: Scarred
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
24) hellecasters no dt content
by "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu>
25) Phoenix and Denver Residents !!!
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu>
26) tour schedule
by Brian Edgar <bedgar@moose.uvm.edu>
27) Re: Different Stuff (A little DT content).
by George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:02:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Pier 6 Show (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950426220127.9573A-100000@kirk>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:51:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@arastar.com
Subject: Pier 6 Show
I can't remember who wrote this the other day but the Pier 6 show at the
end of the I&W tour in Balitmore had to be the best atmosphere to see at
DT show. I mean it was amazing, the rain just was pouring down [luckly I
was under a canope (sp.) ] the wind was gusting too about 40 miles an
hour, and DT just stood on stage laughing and went right ahead and jumped
right into Metropolis. I don't think you can get any better of an
atmosphere as the one the couple of hundred did who witnessed that show, the
place was just jumping. If the guy who was at that show can remember the
exact set list I would be more than happy to see it (this was shortly
after I had gotten into the band, and knew basicly no old stuff i.e.
anything from WDADU).
One more comment. I would like to thank Mike Bahr in a more thna
formally setting through the Jam for the huge task he overtook in the
SUBCOUNIOUS (sp.) output. I can't wait to get my copy. Tears!!!!!!!!
Hey, how about one more letter from AirDance?!?! :):) Just Kidding.
Thanks Jammers you
made my first post easy,
Andrew Miller
ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu
University of Delaware
Seize the Day, I heard him say. Life should not end that way.
{ACOS}
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:07:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sound fx
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950426220642.9573B-100000@kirk>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sound fx
I just want some people to know a lot of people posted Sound Fx including
me. Hey, wouldn't you if you could see the video. But I have no clue
what happen so somebody tell me something.
You can't heal the wounds
of My Soul,
Andrew Miller
ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu
University of Delaware
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:10:41 -0500 (CDT)
From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950426221019.9573C-100000@kirk>
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu>
To: "John T. Nguyen" <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu>
Subject: THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN
I love this song!!!! Am I the only one. I know they played this at the
beginning of the _Awake_ tour, but soon after they dropped it from the
set. Why? I saw them at Hammerjacks in Baltimore, and they played it, I
seemed to be one of two people who new what the hell was going on.
Anybody have a copy of that show, or any show this tour which they played
TOWHTSTS? Thanks.
'Ryche and Roll,
Andrew Miller
(sorry wrong band)
..And though the time will come when Dream and Day Unite
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 00:23:17 -0400
From: MuzicDude@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater
Message-ID: <950427002226_97887672@aol.com>
Hello,
Can you please send me information on the Dream Theater newsletter?
Thank you very much.
Greg Hamra
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 23:22:57 -0400
From: mkristal@eel.ufl.edu (Matthew Kristal)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sign me up!!!
Message-ID: <199504270322.XAA12516@name.ufl.edu>
To whom it may concern:
I am a big DT fan and would like to receive your newsletter. Please
send it to me at mkristal@eel.ufl.edu
Thank you in advance..
Matthew R. Kristal
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 11:18:55 EDT
From: James Utz 27-Apr-1995 1112 <utz@pcbuoa.enet.dec.com>
To: mail11:;@us4rmc.pko.dec.com@us4rmc.pko.dec.com (@ytsejam)
Subject: REQ: Tokyo, Japan CD Stores
Message-ID: <9504271518.AA12019@us4rmc.pko.dec.com>
Hello Japanese Jammers,
I will be visiting Japan in the near future. I want to buy some
Dream Theater bootleg CDs while I am in Japan. Can anybody suggest places
to shop while I am in Tokyo (I will be staying at the Tokyo Hilton Hotel)?
If you email your responses to me personally, I will summarize them
and post a list of CD stores back to ytsejam.
Thank you for your help,
James
utz@pcbuoa.enet.dec.com
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:43:57 PDT
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM POLL
Message-ID: <199504270443.VAA16778@netcom14.netcom.com>
How many of you read EVERY single piece of mail off of ytsejam?
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$------------------------------
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:17:12 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950426221650.9573G-100000@kirk>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:14:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu> To: "John T. Nguyen" <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu> Subject: THE ONES WHO HELP TO SET THE SUN
I love this song!!!! Am I the only one. I know they played this at the beginning of the _Awake_ tour, but soon after they dropped it from the set. Why? I saw them at Hammerjacks in Baltimore, and they played it, I seemed to be one of two people who new what the hell was going on. Anybody have a copy of that show, or any show this tour which they played TOWHTSTS? Thanks.
'Ryche and Roll,
Andrew Miller (sorry wrong band)
..And though the time will come when Dream and Day Unite
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 22:12:45 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Pier 6 Show (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950426221219.9573D-100000@kirk>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 15:01:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@chopin.udel.edu> To: "John T. Nguyen" <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu> Subject: Pier 6 Show (fwd)
John please forward this to the list, they hate my address. What's up with that Guys!!!!
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 23:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu> To: ytsejam@arastar.com Subject: Pier 6 Show
I can't remember who wrote this the other day but the Pier 6 show at the end of the I&W tour in Balitmore had to be the best atmosphere to see at DT show. I mean it was amazing, the rain just was pouring down [luckly I was under a canope (sp.) ] the wind was gusting too about 40 miles an hour, and DT just stood on stage laughing and went right ahead and jumped right into Metropolis. I don't think you can get any better of an atmosphere as the one the couple of hundred did who witnessed that show, the place was just jumping. If the guy who was at that show can remember the exact set list I would be more than happy to see it (this was shortly after I had gotten into the band, and knew basicly no old stuff i.e. anything from WDADU).
One more comment. I would like to thank Mike Bahr in a more thna formally setting through the Jam for the huge task he overtook in the SUBCOUNIOUS (sp.) output. I can't wait to get my copy. Tears!!!!!!!!
Hey, how about one more letter from AirDance?!?! :):) Just Kidding.
Thanks Jammers you made my first post easy,
Andrew Miller ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu University of Delaware
Seize the Day, I heard him say. Life should not end that way. {ACOS}
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 11:29:11 +0200 From: Matthias Murra <mamurra@Informatik.Uni-Bremen.DE> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: ACoS EP Message-ID: <199504270929.LAA10474@bettina.informatik.uni-Bremen.de>
>You know what would be really killer? >If Don't Look Past Me is on the ACoS EP... >That's a killer song...
I wouldn't mind seeing DT's cover version of "Perfect Strangers" on it as well. That fudgin' rocked! :-)
Greets, Matt
| Matthias Murra | "Love is an act of blood | | Dpt. of Mathematics | And I'm bleeding | | University of Bremen | Pool in the shape of a heart" | | Germany | Dream Theater "Space-Dye Vest" |
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:28:47 -0400 (EDT) From: An Angel's Kiss... <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: falsetto Message-ID: <m0s4Tn1-00030wC@donews.cts.com>
You wanna hear a falsetto on "Killing Hand"? Just listen to WDADU......ugh, it gives me chills every time I hear it.....
Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half NAked
> > On the falsetto thing, it really seems to me like Labrie uses a falsetto. It > is a trained falsetto, admittedly, and a very strong one. Track five of > LatM, Another hand/the killing hand contains pretty good examples of his > voice switching from chest to falsetto. At the section that begins "when I > go back again..." you can hear breaks in his voice-- especially the part "was > it really worth..." normal to "what I have learned..." falsetto. There is > nothing wrong with using a falsetto especially when it is as powerful as > Labrie's, so don't take this as an attack, oh ye labrie worshippers...I think > he is one of the best out there also. > just my 2 bits. > --bharath > bdwaraka@midway.uchicago.edu > >
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:38:53 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSE Convention Message-ID: <01HPTWQP5YTE000K4R@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Greetings everyone, it's BABS. I spoke with DT's management yesterday about the convention. I should have an answer for all of you next week on who from the band will be attending. DT was in the recording studio yesterday and their management told me that they have given messages to the band to get back with them at the beginning of next week to discuss the convention. That's all the news for now. Use your mental telepathy to make them say YES! -BABS
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:37:42 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Sound fx Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950427103631.26693A-100000@emcity>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 22 Apr 1995 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Sound fx
I just want some people to know a lot of people posted Sound Fx including me. Hey, wouldn't you if you could see the video. But I have no clue what happen so somebody tell me something.
You can't heal the wounds of My Soul,
Andrew Miller ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu University of Delaware
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Date: Wed, 26 Apr 1995 18:11:19 -0400 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Harry Connick... (is there an echo in here?) Message-ID: <950426180650_97372593@aol.com>
Ack! I just received the latest Ytsejam today, and I must apologize. :{ Sorry!
Usually, when I mail something, it only takes a about a day to see it pop up in the 'Jam, so when I mailed something on Sunday (maybe it was Saturday...), and it still wasn't around late Tuesday, I thought it was lost (as has happened before) and never to be found again. [Rob: I do remember your mentioning the same type of problem...] So, I am *not* senile. <g>
Other stuff: I hope my "Subconscious" CD arrives soon - I must say I'm jealous of that guy who says he has it already. :(
My husband's one-man DT campaign is continuing... He has now hooked his supervisor at work! :)
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:13:28 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Sonata Form Message-ID: <199504271913.PAA12080@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Attn: Marc Repass <or whoever responded to my post!>
That's basically my assessment as well. I really wish they _would_ have done some development on the two thematic elements, but alas, no. I forgot about the modulating to dominant. Thanks for setting me straight.
I would really love to hear them do a piece w/ a true classical structure. Like: "Petrucci's Symphony No. 1 in F#m Op. 5" That would be most impressive. Of course, DT without James is like cocoa without marshmallows--it's still just what you need, yet something's missing. Maybe he could just wail like a banshee in the final movement. It worked for Beethoven. :P
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is > <Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." > <they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT > <the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!"> <was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103> <--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 95 15:51:56 EDT From: stoner@ee.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael D Stoner) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Innocence Faded ending Message-ID: <9504271951.AA28210@pascal.m>
Since I've just now gotten a handle on that tricky guitar/keyboard line in the middle of TtT (after about two years of practice), I decided to tackle the brilliant finale to Innocence Faded on guitar.
There are a few licks that you have to knuckle down for and the part (played twice) where it goes down to D is very slippery, but the thing I was licking my chops for was that last time through (starting at 5:25) where its straight 16th notes with wide interval leaps all over the place. Pretty damn difficult but something to keep me busy for a while. I haven't seen any tab for this at any of the ftp sites so I tabbed out the last part in ASCII. I'll mail it to anyone who wants it.
Funny, but I didn't notice until a couple days ago that the main riff of the finale is foreshadowed under the line "Beginnings get complicated..." I always thought the ending just came out of nowhere like they said 'Hey, wouldn't it be cool if we stuck this kick-ass instrumental section on the end of the song'.
Mike Stoner
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:52:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Beavens <beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Rush, Queensryche, and Derek Sherinian Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.950427120636.24561A-100000@mycroft.ECE.ORST.EDU>
Just some miscellaneous comments, some DT-content, some not...
First, I'll de-lurk to respond to a fellow de-lurker that asked for recommendations on what Rush album to buy as a first album. Be warned that this is an impossible question to answer; you'll get over 20 different answers depending on who you ask (that's about how many albums they have, maybe a few more). If you want to hear a heavier, more guitar-oriented sound, go for 2112, or other albums from the '70's. Neil Peart was also on a real mind-trip when it came to writing lyrics during this time, too, so if you like fantasy/sci-fi-based epics then you'll like their early stuff. Once you get into the early 80's and into Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures, then the songs start getting more normal, but very good nonetheless (and in a lot of cases better...many consider Moving Pictures to be the definitive Rush album). Their work from the mid-80's is very keyboard-oriented, and they experiment with a lot of different sounds. Some people consider this the worst Rush period, while others consider it the best. They're work from Presto, Roll the Bones, and Counterparts is their most recent, and tends to be a bit more pop-oriented (although Presto is one of my faves; I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority with that opinion, though).
I would recommend buying one (or better, all) of their live albums, to get a taste of songs from several different albums, then determine which songs you like and buy the album with that song. If you like one song off an album, buy it and you're almost guaranteed to like others from it, as well. The first Rush album I really listened to a lot was A Show of Hands, and I really liked the song Subdivisions, so I went out and bought Signals, and it is still one of my favorites...likewise with Closer to the Heart; I bought A Farewell to Kings, and Xanadu became one of all-time favorite Rush songs. Hope this helps (and I haven't confused you)...you can check out alt.music.rush to get input from a lot of Rush-heads as well.
And about Queensryche, and what album to buy, I'm gonna have to go with the standard answer and say Operation:Mindcrime. I listened to this album my junior year in high school, and it forced me to do a 180-degree turnaround on my taste in music. Up to that point, I was relatively sheltered in my music-listening, and considered Van Halen as about as hard as I was willing to go. Mindcrime had so much shock value, though, I was nearly blown away by the power of this album, both musically and lyrically. The only album that has garnered so much emotional response from me is Images & Words, mainly due to the shock-value associated with finally finding a band that had everything I have ever been looking for in a musical group. I have never heard any of Queensryche's earlier work, and their last two albums didn't do too much for me, so you might get a better subjective response from a true Queensryche fan.
***AND NOW FOR THE DT CONTENT!!!***
Sorry for all the mindless blabbing, but I always like talking about good bands. 8^) Now my question is regarding Derek Sherinian: Where the hell did this guy come from? I mean, I know he played with Kiss and Alice Cooper, but when I think of Kiss and Alice Cooper, I certainly don't think of keyboards!!! Does anyone have early Kiss or Alice Cooper albums that might give a glimpse of Derek's early work? Is Dream Theater's music and their emphasis on keyboards a complete departure from Derek's experience, or has he done this kind of thing before? Has anyone asked him about this? I'm just curious about somebody who has one of the hardest tasks in the musical industry: replacing a member of Dream Theater. 8^]
ObApology: Sorry for the long post!!
Jim Jim Beavens |"Early to rise and early to bed, Oregon State University | makes a man wise but socially dead." Electrical & Computer Engineering | beavenj@ECE.ORST.EDU | -- Animaniacs
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:04:21 -0400 From: jforte@acl.nyit.edu (Jeff Forte) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 797 Message-ID: <95042716042162@acl.nyit.edu>
>One last thing...that third song on awake, whatever it is called...Does the >intro to that bother anyone else in its gross similarity to the Beverly Hills >90210 theme song? >heehee. >-bharath
Its funny you should say that because one of my friends who at the time really didnt listen to DT that much, only when he was in my car, said "This is cool song except for the fact that the beginning sounds like the opening to a show like 90210 or Melrose Place. I am proud to admit however that this person is now a convert to the DT way of life. I guess I just pounded it into his head enough that they are awesome.
JEFF jforte@acl.nyit.edu
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: SGA/POLITICAL SCIENCE '95/MACLAB <LODGE_TIM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM POLL Message-ID: <950427170500.20256db5@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Yes, I always read the jams when they come to my account!
Tim
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 14:59:33 -0700 From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT, Ayn Rand, King Crimson and Prog Music Message-ID: <v01520c00abc564adac4d@[204.161.33.79]>
> 795 On King Crimson Albums: The lineup has changed so drastically from >KC's inception, that it could be called Robert Fripp and friends. Most of >their music could be called (IMHO) experimental. From 'In the Court of the >Crimson King' (featuring, among others, Greg Lake), to the present, their >music is quite diverse. As suggested a 'best of', like the 'compact king >crimson' would be best for an overview. I personally like 'Discipline,' >for the interesting guitar work and unusual african rhythms.
> 795 On Rush and Ayn Rand. Supposedly the shorter Ayn Rand work 'Anthem' >was the basis for '2112' lyrics. Personally I don't really see the ties >either. They are most likely ideological and/or philosophical ties (?). >But as you said, good reading anyway.
> On the definition of Progressive. I like the earlier definition >suggesting a musical progression (sorry no digest ref.); I had never >thought of it in those terms before. Whatever definition one chooses, >there will always be exceptions. For example, a lot of Greg Lake's >acoustic guitar pieces would not be considered 'progressive', if they were >not sung in the context of ELP (The synth solo at the end of Lucky Man, >even if Keith doen't particullary like it, was my introdruction to prog). >In the end it's a matter of personal taste and self-definition.
> A question: What or who are the origins of progressive music?: The Nice >(with Keith Emerson), King Crimson, The Crazy World of Arthur Brown (with >Carl Palmer). I'd appreciate other input.
> And DT content: As many other have said, you find something new everytime >you listen to the music or read the lyrics
--Randall L. Braun
It felt like the impossible attempt to create a sensory image of non-existence --AYN RAND, Atlas Shrugged
Belief will always save me --DT, Scarred (see Romans 10:9-13)
Melody walks through the door and memory flies out the window and nobody knows what they want 'til they finally let it go --DT, 6:00 (see Matthew 10:34-39)
Am I ever gonna change, will I always stay the same say one thing,then I do the other same old song, goes on forever rise, rise n'shine, a new day is coming yes it is --Extreme, Who Cares? (see Romans 7:17-25)
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:12:50 -0700 From: debraun@fresno.edu (Randall Braun) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT, Alceringa and Tel'aran'rhiod Message-ID: <v01520c00abc56e92ffab@[204.161.33.79]>
>791 I mentioned the allusion of 'Alceringa', the 'dream time' in the >Robert Jordan 'Wheel of Time' series. It really doesn't show up until >some of the later volumes, and is referred therein as the >'Tel'aran'rhiod', or 'dream world'.
--Randall L. Braun
It felt like the impossible attempt to create a sensory image of non-existence --AYN RAND, Atlas Shrugged
Belief will always save me --DT, Scarred (see Romans 10:9-13)
Melody walks through the door and memory flies out the window and nobody knows what they want 'til they finally let it go --DT, 6:00 (see Matthew 10:34-39)
Am I ever gonna change, will I always stay the same say one thing,then I do the other same old song, goes on forever rise, rise n'shine, a new day is coming yes it is --Extreme, Who Cares? (see Romans 7:17-25)
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:00:43 -0600 (MDT) From: brax@lamar.ColoState.EDU (Bracken Odiorne) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 797 Message-ID: <9504272300.AA47183@lamar.ColoState.EDU>
Greetings and slautations all, I thought that I would throw out a small message to our Aussie friend. Yes there is a DT newsgroup on the usenet titled alt.music.dream-theater. It is not as exciting as the Ytsejam however. Traffic is small and there are posts every once in a while from some dumb shits with subject lines like Dream Theater sucks!!! etc... (Please gods, forgive me for that transgression). I did find out about the Ytsejam at a.m.DT, however. It did prove to be worthwhile to me. <s> By the by, since I've been reading the wonderful reviews of the Subconscious CD I wish to send out an anticipatory (my mail hasn't arrived yet, hopehopehope!) congratulatory expletive to Mike Bahr. Big fuckin' kudos to you!
anxiously antici... pating, Bracken (who's finally decided upon a sig) "...Without music, life would be an error." Nietzsche -Twilight of the Idols-
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:06:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Scarred Message-ID: <199504280006.UAA22903@opal.cs.brandeis.edu>
> From: A Humble Dream Theater Fanatic <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu> > Subject: Re: Scarred > > Actually, i think i might know why. Maybe it is to get people to go to > the concerts this time around. If they would have played it last time, > they might lose people who would go to the concert again to hear > different songs. Lets say this: If it wasnt Dream Theater then would > you go to the same exact concert twice if you knew that they were going > to play the exact same set? Not everyone is as big of fans as us on the > list. What does everyone think? Is it an advertisement or what? >
Actuallt, I believe that the reason that they gave is that Derik didnt have enough time to learn it... Which makes sense... it is a keyboard heavy song...
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Let's Go Pens | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/home.html
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:18:22 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. Hailey" <pass@u.washington.edu> To: digest <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: hellecasters no dt content Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91i.950427171131.113825A-100000@homer18.u.washington.edu>
I just caught the hellecasters live last night and had to rave
they were super duper unbelievable and wacky too
once again I urge anybody with a love for guitars to check them out you will not be disappointed
those who desire a more compleat description of the band review of the show may email me privately
chris
" " -- the hellecasters
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 20:40:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Phoenix and Denver Residents !!! Message-ID: <199504280140.UAA00041@ub.d.umn.edu>
Phoenix and Denver 'jammers,
I would like your help. I have recently been made to very good job offers in both Phoenix and Denver. The problem is that I can only choose one. The offers are in really close competition.
So if you can describe the local music scene, such as bars, clubs etc. I am not talking about dance clubs, but clubs that cater to heavy/progressive metal and hard/progressive rock. Also let me know of any of your favorite local bands.
Thanks much,
::::::::::::::::: nbradley@d.umn.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Nathan I Bradley Parallel addiction is 1320 Stadium Dr. G106 Double Crucifixion Duluth, MN 55812-2405 -Savatage (218) 726-7720 URL http://www.d.umn.edu/~nbradley/ ============================================================================
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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 23:59:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian Edgar <bedgar@moose.uvm.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: tour schedule Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.950427235832.189898M-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
does anybody know if/ when DT will be in NY, Boston area?
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 17:38:08 +1000 (EST) From: George Voronoff <george@cpsg.com.au> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Different Stuff (A little DT content). Message-ID: <199504280738.RAA21251@bohra.cpsg.com.au>
Hi Guys and Gals.
I was just reading about 20 ytsejams (It's amazing how easy it is to get behind). Anyway I have a couple of random thoughts.
1) There has been a discussion about vocalists on this list lateley and I noticed one vocalist missing that I have never heard mentioned on this list (Well, at least since I've been reading it). Anyway, I happen to think that hes pretty good if you like hard rock/metal. I'm talking about Ronnie James Dio... I can already feel the falmes.
Anyway, one or the reasons that I like him because he sounds like he is singing (well, growling) low even when he is sining high. This (I think) is considered to be a very rare and respected qality in vocalists. Yea, I know he's a wanker. Anyone have any opinions? About Dio, not me ... I know I'm a wanker too ;)
2) This is for BABS. I have a suggestion about the ytsecon (even though I won't be able to attend). Have you considered holding some sort of contest. You could try and get the DT Managment to give away stuff. One of the things you could do is have everyone bring a piece of DT memorabilia and give a prize away for the most obsucrue/wierd piece? Oh well, just a thought.
3) After reading the DT FAQ I have a few suggestions as to some other questions that might be on it.
A) Who is Fatez Warning (and why)? B) What is Subconscious. I'm seriouse about this one. Mike has gone through a great deal of effort to product an inspired piece of DT history and deserves to be in the FAQ. C) How do I get a ytsejam T-shirt ;) D) What is the Good-times Virus.
G.
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