YTSEJAM digest 928

From: ytsejam@arastar.com
Date: Mon Aug 21 1995 - 12:21:23 EDT

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 928

    Today's Topics:

      1) Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP
     by auzzy@mails.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
      2) Re: Another Day
     by Erotomania@aol.com
      3) Myung's solo
     by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
      4) T-Shirts
     by Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
      5) ytsejam subscribe
     by ace@megatek.com (Wayne Lichte)
      6) Tapes
     by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 927
     by William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
      8) To Live Forever
     by garyake@digital.net (gary ake)
      9) Re: CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     by toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
     10) ACOS
     by John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
     11) ACoS + Shadow Gallery, etc...
     by schew@TIS.COM
     12) Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP
     by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
     13) HELP!!! Guitarists out there?!?
     by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
     14) Re: a few random thoughts...
     by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 12:02:32 GMT
    From: auzzy@mails.entpe.fr (St\iphane Auzilleau)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP
    Message-ID: <199508211202.MAA05234@mails2.entpe.fr>

    I was quietly listening to the advance tape of "ACOS" when something amazed
    me. What! Vocals on the Zep medley? I was at the Ronnie Scott's show (an
    incredible moment) and I am absolutely sure that James did not sing during
    this medley. Why did they ad some vocals? I don't know... But it sounds
    great! The DT fans will be happy to hear that and it is more interesting
    than only instrumental.
    Maybe they did other overdubs, but it is difficult to find. I think they
    chose to give a "perfect product" instead of a "real" product. Who can blame
    them for this choice? Not me... Perhaps could they release the whole show,
    with no overdubs, for the die-hard fans, through the net for example.

    Wait for the Japanese version that will include 3 more tracks from the
    Ronnie Scott's: Red hill town (U2), Damage Inc. (Metallica) and Tears
    (Rush). These 3 tracks should appear on a separate Cd in Europe. I don't
    know for the States.

    One last thing, for those who have some doubts: James is a great live
    singer. He sang like a God during the Wake Up Summer Tour. Very very
    impressive!! I never saw such great vocals.

    Bye for now,

    Stephane
    Dutilleux Guillaume
    Laboratoire des Sciences de l'Habitat
    Ecole Nationale des Travaux Publics de l'Etat
    rue Maurice Audin
    F-69518 Vaulx-en-Velin, France
    phone : ++33 72 04 70 37 fax : ++33 72 04 70 41
    e-mail : dutille@medoc.entpe.fr

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:31:28 -0400
    From: Erotomania@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: Another Day
    Message-ID: <950821093127_79508221@mail04.mail.aol.com>

    >Has ANYONE got or heard any of the other
    >six. He certainly blew JP and JL away with them, and the
    >two I've (and
    >all of you with I&W + LiJ) heard were pretty awesome, so >what about it?

    Not unless you can go out and find the actual studio master and pull them off
    yourself. =)

    They're probably on tape somewhere, but, what got mixed down as the sax part
    on it is obviously what Prater felt was best - considering that the album was
    mixed without them there.

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 09:35:32 -0500
    From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Myung's solo
    Message-ID: <v01510100ac5e49eee5f1@[199.232.46.229]>

    Aviad,

    I'm continuing my defense of Myung. I will agree that he's not being forced
    to solo. But maybe he is, in a way. Sometimes you're playing and you aren't
    comfortable with soloing but the current soloist finishes and gives you the
    look and it's your solo and you gotta do it. And maybe it sucks for
    whatever reason. Myung doen't solo live. Someone asked him and he said he
    didn't feel a need to. Probably he doesn't want to (or feel confident,
    whatever). I remember reading an article with Anthony Jackson. He said that
    if he doesn't want to solo and won't because it won't be good. Now that guy
    can play (no matter how opinionated he is :), but sometimes he isn't
    comfortable soloing. When I'm playing jazz, I sometimes feel like getting a
    good line down is enough of a solo for me. I mean, I'm improvising every
    note as we play. In a rock band, I may not be in a solo mood for what's
    being played. I just might not have anything to say on the subject. I never
    heard the jam with Myung's (non)solo but I wanted to throw out other
    possiblities. What you say is true. But everyone isn't a soloist. I still
    think that bass is a more difficult instrument on which to develop soloing
    skills because you're foremost concerned with so many other things.
    Guitarists, OTOH, are expected to solo right away and they work on that a
    lot. Additionally, a lot of bassists can feel self-conscious about soloing.
    A lot of times, the bass solo falls flat. I mean, Petrucci, Derek, then
    what the hell is Myung gonna play to follow those guys? His influences are
    also Irom Maiden and Rush. I don't listen to Iron Maiden but I've never
    heard Geddy solo apart from embellishing a line in a song. So I may be
    making excuses for him. Maybe he's a lousy soloist but I don't think being
    a soloist is neccessary to be fully explore his music.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    + Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net +
    + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/welcome.html +
    +----------------------------------------------------------+
    + Check out the Joel Rivard Group home page at +
    + http://www.iii.net/users/mer/joelpage.html +
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
    From: Ben Kobashigawa <bk7585@mercury.sfsu.edu>
    To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: T-Shirts
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950821071323.22212B-100000@mercury>

            After seeing all these messages, I must assume, that the last set
    of T-shirts are no longer being sold. Therefore, it is time for another
    round. I would do it myself, if I had the money to make such an
    investment, but I don't. All it really requires is time, money, and an
    artist friend. And the money part is just a temporary investment. I'm
    sure you would get it back from selling the shirts. I thought a really
    cool design would be this: Plain black t-shirt, with a little burning
    heart emblem on the front left. Then, on the back, the Dream Theater
    symbol painted in reflective black, as on the Images and Words album.
    Under the black symbol, "Ytsejam" would be printed in a logo similar to the
    one on the more recent DT stuff, in red. Then on top of the symbol, a
    short quote of choice taste. Then under the burning heart, in tiny
    letters: "Ytsejam@arastar.com". So what do you think?

            I'm not too much of a fan of Dominici's voice, so I don't listen
    to WDADU very much, but just the other day, I put it on and heard "The
    Killing hand". The first 1:30 is incredibly awesome. It's just so
    incredibly cool! But then when the lyrics come in, it really starts to
    blow. It's not even just Dominici that I have trouble with then, but
    just the lyric-line in general. Oh well, C'est la guerre.

                             -Jun-Dai Bates,
                                         returned to the West Coast

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 07:32:03 -0700
    From: ace@megatek.com (Wayne Lichte)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: ytsejam subscribe
    Message-ID: <9508211432.AA09498@gecko.megatek.com>

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    Date: 21 Aug 1995 08:47:08 GMT
    From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Tapes
    Message-ID: <199508211349.AA08248@interlock.amoco.com>

    Is this guy cool or what?!!?!?! Thanks to John and Tim Lodge (Instrumental I
    and II -- they kick ass!!!!!) and Mike Bahr (Acoustic Dreams coming!!!) I am
    making great strides in beefing up my non-existent "alternative" DT
    collection!!!

    Steve
    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    "Strange how laughter looks like crying with no sound.
    Raindrops taste like tears without the pain." -- Queensryche
    *** Forwarding note from KOGGIE --INTERNET 08/19/95 21:09 ***

    From: John R. Kotzian
    To: ZSVJ01 --CTSVMC JOHNSON, STEVE

    Subject: Tapes
            Your tapes went out Friday at 2:30 pm. I added some rare tracks on
    the B-side of the Majesty demo, because the Majesty Demo only took up one
    side.

            I also sent along Color Photocopies of the CD jackets and regular
    copies of the Lyrics and Info. I hope You Like it. Enjoy.

                                                    -John

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:25:59 -0400 (EDT)
    From: William T Bajzek <wb2a+@andrew.cmu.edu>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 927
    Message-ID: <QkC9Rry00YUs84oUhk@andrew.cmu.edu>

    re: shadow gallery
    > WOW! I have heard one song from these guys and they are incredible!
    They
    are identical to DT! I could tell any one of you guys this song was
    written
    by DT and except for the vocals you would belive it. And the vocalist
    is
    incredible also. He sounds alot like James, but IMO better. He has
    just a
    tad more crunch in his voice. If DT ever got a new singer they should
    get
    him (but I'm not suggesting that at all, I love James' voice). <

    they are *not* identical to DT and after listening to the cd about 12
    times i dont see any resemblance between the singer and james....
    especially when this guy tries to hit a high note... he only trfied
    once and its kinda hard to listen to. i agree that the sound is
    somewhere between wdadu and i&w but they're not 'identical' and
    they're very different musically and lyrically. most of the
    resemblance is in the sound and the style somewhat.

    if you want to know ------william bajzek------ and if you want to know
    just what i see ---http://phoebe.dws.acs.cmu.edu/--- where we're going
    look at yourself --------------~wb2a/-------------- keep your distance
    and dont ask me ---------guitars, aepithex--------- and dont follow me

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 08:54:33 -0400
    From: garyake@digital.net (gary ake)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: To Live Forever
    Message-ID: <199508211254.IAA08720@ddi.digital.net>

    Hey does anybody know any CDs Live or Studio versions of the DT song " To Live
    Forever ". I just got the Dt video "Live In Japan" and I think that song is
    awesome. By the way does anybody think Emerson, Lake and Palmer is Progressive
    . Just wondering. Seeya.......

    Gary Ake

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 08:00:30 PDT
    From: toscano richard <toscano@SDSC.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: CHECK OUT THIS BAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Message-ID: <9508211500.AA15889@vector.sdsc.edu>

    > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!SHADOW GALLERY!!!!!!!!!!!!
    >
    > WOW! I have heard one song from these guys and they are incredible! They
    > are identical to DT! I could tell any one of you guys this song was written
    > by DT and except for the vocals you would belive it. And the vocalist is
    > incredible also. He sounds alot like James, but IMO better. He has just a
    > tad more crunch in his voice. If DT ever got a new singer they should get
    > him (but I'm not suggesting that at all, I love James' voice). The CD Now
    > store carries this for $13.95. If you dont know how to get there the link
    > is on my page (http://junix.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html) under the
    > "Music and Bands" section. I will put on a sound file of them sometime soon
    > so check it out! I will also add some more DT sound bites, probably wav
    > files.
    >

    I feel compelled to offer a somewhat dissenting opinion here. I have heard
    scads of great reviews for these guys on the net, with no negatives at all.
    So I picked up the CD with great anticipation and was quite dissapointed.
    I agree that they are similar to Dream Theater in sound/style, but their
    songwriting skills aren't even in the same league. There is no chance that
    I would believe that one of their songs was a DT song. Another problem
    is frequent descents 80's glam metal sounds. I would be more likely to
    confuse them with Winger than DT.

    This is not to say they are without merit. There are some very cool songs
    on the album, and the guitar solos are consistently very tasty. The singer
    is quite good. But I just wanted to disagree with what is seemingly the
    unanmous opinion of the net, because I don't want others to be dissapointed
    like I was.

    Rich

    --------------------------------------------------------------
    Rich Toscano - toscano@sdsc.edu
    San Diego Supercomputer Center User Services
    http://www.sdsc.edu/SDSC/Staff/toscano/toscano.html
    --------------------------------------------------------------

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 10:59:09 -0500 (CDT)
    From: John Nguyen <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: ACOS
    Message-ID: <Pine.BSD/.3.91.950821105716.4727A-100000@wichita.fn.net>

    Hello to all JAMMERS and happy start-of-semester :( ! Anyway, this goes
    to Mike Bahr or anyone else who has heard the studio version of ACOS.
    Does James sing in his clean voice or his growling voice. I mean, was it
    like I&W or like AWAKE? Just curious as to where James is taking his
    vocal style.

                    John Nguyen

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 16:21:01 -0400 (EDT)
    From: schew@TIS.COM
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: ACoS + Shadow Gallery, etc...
    Message-ID: <11206.9508212021@ragnarok.tis.com>

    Hi,

            OK, I can't wait any longer... ;-) I'm listening to ACoS now
    (from Dance of Eternity) and that one section in the middle around
    15:30-16:20 has once again blown me away... (The instrumental section
    where the keys and guitar are flying and then Kevin has a gut wrenching
    solo and everything comes back together... Well, OK, that probably
    happens more than once in ACoS ;-) but this particular section grabs
    me away from whatever I'm doing every single time. I love it!!).
            Anyway, to those of you who have been fortunate enough to hear
    a promo of the new ACoS EP already, I was wondering (hoping!) if this
    section was still in there. The harmonies that the guitar and keys
    create are just phenomonal and I worry that they might not sound as
    good if they're changed much.... I was going to wait to hear it for
    myself, but after hearing it again just now I could wait no longer...
    Thanks for any feedback!

            On the subject of Shadow Gallery, I agree that DT fans have
    to pick up their "Carved in Stone" album -- I'm sure many will like it.
    I like it quite a bit, but I'm afraid that it isn't going to last that
    long for me. We'll see though.
            One thing is that though they do sound somewhat similar to
    DT, don't expect them to be as good going in... Don't expect too much
    or you may be disappointed.
            If you like Shadow Gallery, you should also pick up albums by
    the other two bands on the Magna Carta label: "Magellan" and "Cairo".
    They are not as similar to DT as Shadow Gallery but they both have
    excellent music.

            I especially love Magellan's albums -- if anyone wants to
    hear a sampler of any of those Magna Carta bands (or other stuff) just
    drop me some email. I could probably do them for free if I don't get
    too many requests (or for tape trades). I can't afford the time to
    do custom samplers for everyone, but I'll put together one or two
    tapes that should give a representative sample.

            BTW, I was able to find Shadow Gallery in Baltimore, MD at a
    place called "Planet Music" (a huge music store). There was only one
    copy, but I know they can order it (I've also seen Magellan and Cairo
    at that store). The online stores have Shadow Gallery too.
            
            The Magna Carta label is also coming out with a "Tribute to
    Yes" album (not sure of the title) which will have a bunch of Yes
    songs done by the Magna Carta bands and maybe a few other bands.
    It is supposed to be out toward the end of September I believe.

            So, let me know if you want to hear a sampler of the Magna
    Carta bands and what other bands you want to hear. Send the email
    directly to me.

                                    Steve
                                    schew@tis.com

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 17:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
    Subject: Re: Overdubs on "ACOS" EP
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950821170545.15202B-100000@oak.liii.com>

    On Mon, 21 Aug 1995 auzzy@mails.entpe.fr wrote:

    > I was quietly listening to the advance tape of "ACOS" when something amazed
    > me. What! Vocals on the Zep medley? I was at the Ronnie Scott's show (an
    > incredible moment) and I am absolutely sure that James did not sing during
    > this medley. Why did they ad some vocals? I don't know... But it sounds
    > great! The DT fans will be happy to hear that and it is more interesting
    > than only instrumental.
    > Maybe they did other overdubs, but it is difficult to find.

    If they added vocals, then they MUST have done some other stuff. I didn't
    even realize that it was different from the RS gig, but I haven't really
    listened to the Zep medley.

    I'm kinda bummed that the PMU riff isn't at the end of the Big Medley. :(

    There's no production credits for the advance CD. Was it Prater?

    Andy

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 1995 19:21:53 -0600 (MDT)
    From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: HELP!!! Guitarists out there?!?
    Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950821191751.21428A-100000@casual1>

    To all guitar-playing 'jammers,

    Have any of you entered any guitar contests where you had to send in a
    tape of your playing? The reason I ask this is I need some opinions on
    what is the best attitude to take towards the contest. They want a 92
    second sample displaying style, techical ability and originality.

    It would be easy to shred for 90 seconds, but I was thinking of
    incorporating different components into the sample. Also, do you think I
    should record it in parts or do it all in one take? I'm not sure whether
    to include backing tracks or just do a raw take (you know, feel versus
    planned soloing).

    Any input would be much appreciated!

    wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca

    Will

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    Date: Mon, 21 Aug 95 19:07:01 PDT
    From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
    To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
    Subject: Re: a few random thoughts...
    Message-ID: <9508220207.AA12422@tengs1.lsil.com>

    > I was surprised to Aviad say that he preferred the emotional aspects
    > of the UaGM solo to the solo in Another Day, for instance. While the
    > Another Day solo may not be the most technically demanding, but I feel
    > much more of a tug from the AD solo than the UaGM solo. I always have
    > to hold my breath for the really fast scale in AD. UaGM seems more like
    > JP is just working the fretboard like a typewriter. Not that there's
    > anything wrong with that.

    Strangely enough, the UAGM solo always got on my nerves. I can't
    stand the beginning, especially. I can't explain it, just an
    emotional response. Actually, most of JP's solos don't really
    do anything for me. The one in Erotomania (after the Bach part)
    is one notably exception... I get chills (sartori).

    > Speaking of the hair, I noticed that jammers commented that they would
    > <or wouldn't> cut theirs,

    Well, if I had it...

    > even for Cindy Crawford. I wouldn't either,

    Nope. Generic good looks, no charisma.

    > but I might for Helen Hunt...

    Probably. Anyone remember her from those _Jack Deth_ movies?

    >Teri Hatcher...

    Definitely, one classy lady.

    >maybe Sandra Bullock...

    Of course! Another might be Madchen Amick...

    Zach

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