YTSEJAM Digest 1188
Today's Topics:
1) Preaching? Teaching? Gimme a break!
by Ivan-Assen Ivanov <III@vmei.acad.bg>
2) Re: Joe Satriani
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
3) Why do people reinclude the whole digest?
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
4) Info on Petrucci REH video
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
5) Some great alboums indeed
by Gikas Grigoris <gikas@csd.uch.gr>
6) abbreviations ...
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
7) solo breaks are irrelevant
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1186
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1185
by "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
10) Re: circ breathing
by drogers@ICSI.Net (David Rogers)
11) AD
by Matthew Stewart Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
12) howdy all
by Michael Krantz <krantz@Trenton.EDU>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1185
by steve matthews <WSM95003@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
14) Birch Hill Dillema!
by Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu>
15) Re: The Lack of DT content
by eiagm@eznet.net
16) Acronyms
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
17) Well....
by Hell@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb)
18) **IMPORTANT**
by michael.bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
19) MY really late reply, but I was mentioned, so I have to.
by The.Frayed.Ends.of.Sanity@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb)
20) Got SM Single
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
21) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1186
by Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:50:50 +0200 (MET)
From: Ivan-Assen Ivanov <III@vmei.acad.bg>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Preaching? Teaching? Gimme a break!
Message-ID: <818329850.560000.III@vmei.acad.bg>
C'mon guys, stop that God-loves-you stuff. This is a DT list, ask the
owner if you aren't clear on the subject! Next thing we'll start discussing
Mac vs. Win, or Unix vs. NT, or Glasgow Rangers vs. Bayern (M). Aren't
there plenty of philosophy-oriented mlists around?
<please flame me personally, don't clog the arastar guy>
As for preaching and teaching, I can't resist the temptation of quoting:
"Sad preacher nailed upon the covered door of time,
Insane teacher be there reminded of the rhyme.
There'll be no mutant enemy, we shall certify,
As the truth of the man's maturing in his eyes
Reach out as forward views begin to enter you."
URL:Yes:\\Close To The Edge\And You And I\The Preacher The Teacher"
later, all.
----
"A man without a religion is like a fish without a bycicle"
Vique's principle
"Every complex problem has a simple solution, which is usually wrong"
Jacopo Belbo
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:40:18 GMT
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Joe Satriani
Message-ID: <9512071340.AA29218@saunders.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Patricia wrote:
> Only one day before my first concert. But the weather forecast
> is bad.
> Don't SNOW
> Please don't SNOW.
Oh dear . . . I hear it's pretty bad down there :-(
Let us know how it goes . . .
Graham B.
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 08:47:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Why do people reinclude the whole digest?
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9512070826.B26724-a100000@bdmserver>
hey BURGER KING EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
if you are going to go on some God kick please do not include almost the
entire previous digest.
Does anyone think that Al Balkewicz will ever send me the tapes that he
owes me?
It has now been _10_ months since I sent my tapes to him.
**** Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com ****
**** "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater ****
**** "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files ****
**** Album of the week:Savatage - Dead Winter Dead ****
GO REDSKINS! GO CAPITALS! GO BULLETS! GO BROWNS??
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 10:04:12 CDT
From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Info on Petrucci REH video
Message-ID: <9512071643.AA01086@anthor.arastar.com>
Dear guitar jammers,
The new Petrucci REH video is awesome. Here is the
description as found on the back:
* * * * * * * * *
ROCK DISCIPLINE is an awesome two-hour epic on the art of
modern rock guitar. As the cornerstone for the innovative
band Dream Theater, John Petrucci has quickly become one
of the most respected and talked-about guitarists of the
90's. He has been featured in virtually every major guitar
publication worldwide and was voted 'Best Guitarist' in
Guitar Magazine and 'Break Through Guitarist of the Year'
in Guitar for the Practicing Musician.
John begins the video with a valuable segment on stretching
and warming up the muscles in your shoulders, arms and hands.
Then it's time to grab your guitar for some unique right and
left hand warm-up exercises. John follows up with a detailed
lesson on speed and accuracy as you learn subdivisions of the
beat, chromatic exercises, and playing with dynamics. John
emphasizes practicing with a metronome to track your progress
as you build stamina and speed. Then John shows how to connect
'scale fragments' to form long solo lines. Other sections in
the video include techniques like picking through arpeggios,
string skipping, sweep picking and legato playing. John also
demonstrates how to expand power chords by adding more color
and texture. John unleashes dozens of inspiring demonstrations
throughout the program and includes many exercises and special
etudes ranging from easy-to-master to very challenging.
The video also takes you behind the scenes of a Dream Theater
sound check where John gives you a tour of his guitars and live
stage set-up. He also talks about his influences, the band and
his views on composing and practicing. ROCK DISCIPLINE is one
of the most complete courses on rock guitar and should be placed
at the 'top of the list' for every serious player.
(booklet included with examples in standard music notation and
tablature)
* * * * * * * * *
Overall, this video is awesome. Two hours of instruction!!
If I had to be _real_ picky, I wish he would have covered some
specific licks from his songs and that they would have given
close up shots of his gear (all shots from a distance). But
that is being picky.
The quality of the video is another plus. Most guitar vids
I have are very simple. This video gives split screens, and
mixes color shots with black and white shots (very 'image'y and
'words' feel). So not only are you watching quality instruction,
but you're watching it presented very artistically.
The very reason why we like DT and Petrucci is their
commitment to quality. It should be no surprise that a video
that Petrucci puts out would be anything less than top-notch
quality!
You can order this video for about $50 from Warner Bros.
1-800-628-1528 (ext.215).
Hope that helps!
Brandon Vaughn ** edleader@uwf.cc.uwf.edu **
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 19:08:17 +0200 (EET)
From: Gikas Grigoris <gikas@csd.uch.gr>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Some great alboums indeed
Message-ID: <199512071708.AA15110@crete.csd.uch.gr>
Somone from Netherlands wrote a list of his favourite alboums of this years.
I would agree that all the alboums he wrote about are really great.I would
like to recommend (not only to you that listen to that kind of music-atmosheric
doom/death-) to buy "The angel and the dark river" from My Dying Bride.The first
song of this alboum (i cant remember the title) along with "Change of seasons"
and "The dying wish" from Anathema's "Silent Enigma" are the best songs i heard
this year.I was also surprised as well as excited to see two Greek bands in that
list(Septic Flesh and Nightfall).Because most of you are from USA it would be
impossible to find their alboums but don't miss them if you find them somewhere.
I would like also to recommend to you a group from Denmark -Lord Bane -"Age of
Elegance"- that is prog-metal group.I would describe them as Dream Theater using
violins and cellos instead of keyboards.Their only weak point is that they don't
have a variety in their songs and you might get bored in the begging.
Gikas Gregory -Probably the only ytsejammer from Greece
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:28:39 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: abbreviations ...
Message-ID: <v01530501acecebf674ba@[199.232.46.229]>
Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@snakemail.hut.fi> asks
> 3. I am be...umm...that's been said already =) ...Well since noone
> answered me before, I'm gonna ask again and feel REALLY stupid.
> What does ----> <G> and
> ----> FYI mean ?
> I know, I know. But I HAVTA know....
<G> or <g> is short for "grin" and used to suggest that the writer was
smiling when he wrote what he did. The smiley version is ":)" (no quotes).
If you tip your head to the left, you'll see it. You can also use ;) which
is a wink and :D which is a big smile.
FYI, "FYI" is For Your Information. Other popular abbreviations are BTW, By
The Way; OTOH, On The Other Hand; KMB, Kiss My Butt (OK, I haven't seen
that, just thought of it. My dad would say, Bite My Ass (BMA?) ). There's
also the ever popular, FWIW, For What It's Worth; IM(H)O, In My (Humble)
Opinion; YMMV, Your Mileage May Vary; YKYARFW, You Know You're A Rush Fan
When (you hear a Rush song that reminds you of something and try to sing
Scars over the song that's playing :). YJLHB, YtseJam Long Hair
Brotherhood. That was started by Hairball I believe (before cutting his
hair) and in response to a, since forgiven, woman on the list who implied
that men with long hair were not attractive to her. NDTC is No Dream
Theater Content (not used enough IMO). Then there's the abbreviations for
all the DT songs, my favorite being TOWHTSTS :).
There's one floating around that's a little tricky: AMBI, A Mind Beside
Itself which is the name of the three song group on Awake starting with
Erotomania (E?).
If anyone else can think of any, let's add on :)
Hope this was helpful, Karri
--Marc R
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:28:33 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: solo breaks are irrelevant
Message-ID: <v01530500acece8d0b763@[199.232.46.229]>
> About ACoS a friend told me it sounds like many pieces sewn
> together...
In a sense, that's what all long compositions are. But what you seem to be
saying is that it doesn't have coherency. "Pieces sewn together" is more
like a medley. ACOS has definite coherency.
> I think the piece is ok.
I like it too.
> Especially the Crimson
> sunrise and Innocence are the greatest!!!..The only part i
> dont like is at 12:30 where they play a riff,then stop for
> Petrucci's solo...then again a melody and Myung's solo and
> again another melody and piano solo...
he he. Those are called breaks. A standard musical device that usually
consists of all instruments resting except one soloist and only for a short
time. The soloists might be accompanied by a drummer.
> This part really
> sounds a bit irrelevant...
Subjective. Certainly Dream Theater didn't think it was irrelevant. I would
surely be offended if you told me that a part of a piece that I composed
sounded irrelevant. Maybe you don't like the fills. That's one thing.
Irrelevant? I would have to argue that they fit that part of the song quite
well.
> Ok guys..we know you can play
> your instruments:-)...Just dont do it like Malmsteen...:-)
When one plays something that's a little fast, that does not (necessarily)
mean that that person is showing off as you seem to imply with the
Malmsteen comparison. I would also like to submit that you are not one to
be telling someone else what kind of fill he should take. I'd be interested
to know what you would suggest for that part.
--Marc R
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:32:26 PST
From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1186
Message-ID: <199512072334.XAA34482@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@arastar.com 12/07/95 09:48am +0800
I need to make a correction in my post. I was talkin about drummers and I
mentioned that that Zonder is better than Portnoy..WHOA BIG MISTAKE. Sorry to
all those who I confused the hell out of. WHat I MEANT to say was that the dude
who played on FW's No Exit, Steve Zimmerman is better than Portnoy and Zonder.
Although all 3 drummers are excellent, Zimmerman kicks ass.
Mark
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Are we the lucky ones saved for another day or are they the lucky ones who are taken away.
Is that a hand on your shoulder from the Lord above or the Devil himself come to give you a shove.
Fates Warning-Iron Maiden'90
email at msmeets@ibm.net
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 09:52:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan D. Eschauzier" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1185
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9512070930.B10594-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
Okay! What is the deal! How long does it take for my posts to appear!!!
AAAAAAGGggghghghghgh!
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:52:28 -0600
From: drogers@ICSI.Net (David Rogers)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: circ breathing
Message-ID: <v01530500acece78ab078@[199.1.107.85]>
As I'm sure
>someone already mentioned, circular breathing occurs when a wind player
>fills his mouth with air, then uses his cheeks to expel the stored air into
>his instrument while inhaling through his nose. I saw a guy playing some
>kind of Balanese pipe doing it in my recording class. It was cool. Kenny G
>does it, too <and quite well I might add>.
>
>oh, and uh, DT rules.
I have heard that Ian Anderson is capable of circle breathing. If anyone
can really do it, i bet ian can.
cordilly,
David Rogers
As breathing is my life, I dare not dare to stop.--John Lennon
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:59:18 -0600 (CST)
From: Matthew Stewart Rosin <msr7146@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: AD
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951207125529.17545E-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
i FINALLY got to hear AD for the first time! pretty cool stuff. i
personally liked bruce dickinson's performance. all of the songs were
good, but i have to say that "tears", although the d.t. version is cool,
is definitely better on the original with the synth orchestration, and no
one can sing that song like geddy. awesome disc, those. hopefully i'll
be getting a dub soon . . . (right, bishdogg? ;)
my new webpage is working!!!!!!!! (i know, it was a shameless plug, but
i'm excited and just couldn't contain myself.)
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:27:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Krantz <krantz@Trenton.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: howdy all
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90.951207141959.4605A-100000@bugs>
I've been on this list for about a week, just reading everyone's thoughts
on Dream Theater, music, and other stuff. I've gotta say that this is a
very cool list. I'm new to Dream Theater's music and I'm still amazed that
I didn't get into them a lot earlier. I basically started listening to
them around 3 weeks ago after I found out that I was gonna see them at
the Birch Hill Club on 12/29. I bought I&W, Awake, and ACOS, and I
haven't stopped listening to them since the day I got them. Matter of
fact, they are the only 3 CD's that have been in my stereo. I've also
gotten some of my friends into them, you know just spreading the gospel.
I've gotta say that it's not too often that one just "discovers" a band
and always listens to them right off the bat. It's a cool feeling. Well,
I think I've babbled long enough.
Mike
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Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 14:40:02 EST
From: steve matthews <WSM95003@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1185
Message-ID: <951207.145123.EST.WSM95003@UConnVM.UConn.Edu>
Hey. Just a short response to the post referring to ACOS. I forget who exactl
y it was, but they said that ACOS "sounds like a bunch of shorter pieces sewn t
ogether" or something to that effect. I think that the original version sounds
like that (Instrumental II, Live at the Marqui). It seems like DT just came u
p with a bunch of cool riffs that don't have much to do with each other and thr
ew them into one very long song. But the new version seems to have a coherent
structure, in that there are less solo sections on unrelated material, and ther
e are more returns to familiar sections. One section that comes to mind is the
"Malmsteen section". I am an Yngwie fan myself, but that section didn't seem
a necessary part of the song, even though it was cool in itself. It is subject
to what I would call the "Led Zep Syndrome". There are so many riffs in songs
that sound similar to Zep riffs, that the band is cited as copy Zep. In this
case, DT sounded a lot like Y.J.M. No one can play that stuff now without bein
g cited for copying Yngwie. And I myself cannot listen to that section and not
stifle images of Yngwie. But anyway, the point is that the new ACOS is a lot
more coherent as a song.
steve matthews
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:34:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott McCammon <mccammsa@cs.purdue.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (YtseJam mailing list)
Subject: Birch Hill Dillema!
Message-ID: <199512072034.PAA00892@sherman.cs.purdue.edu>
Hello jammers,
Has *anyone* heard from or know about a fellow jammer by the name of
Andy Schiller?! (aschille@sienahts.edu) A month ago he offered a couple
of rides to Birch Hill from Michigan. After confirming plans and
obtaining tickets, I can get no response from him! (email or answering
machine) With ticket in hand, I dread the thought of not having any
way to get to my first Dream Theater concert! :( Anyone passing anywhere
close to northern Indiana over the holidays????
Andy: if you are reading this *please* let me know that you aren't dead!
-Scott (aka Tolk)
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:28:23 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: The Lack of DT content
Message-ID: <199512072148.QAA11072@mail1.eznet.net>
I don't know about all you other jammers, but I tend to skip messages
about tour dates, demo recordings, set lists, DT hats (I really hate
that one), DT shirts, etc, etc. The messages I enjoy reading are the
ones where people talk about stuff (like religion, how much the list
sucks, the short stories), and especially where people get all pissed
off and mad. That's cool. The concept of getting pissed off at
something someone writes to the net is just amazingly amusing to me.
Not that I don't, cause I do - I've only been on the net for a couple
of months now, but I get much less worked up now than I used to. You
people are really funny (both funny strange and funny ha-ha), and I
like that a lot - keep it up!
And no, this really isn't a sarcastic post, surprisingly enough.
Mike Stover
eiagm@eznet.net
http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"Oh, irony! We don't get much of that around here"
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:41:41 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acronyms
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951207163857.21979A-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
To Karri:
<G> = GRIN
FYI = For your information
ALSO:
BTW = By the way
IMO = In my opinion
Now, here's a good one:
ROTFLMAO = Rolling on the floor laughing my ass off
ROTFLMAO is a good way to describe how people usually react to Bafu Vai's
posts. <G>
Paul
Baron Sengir
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:29:50 -0700
From: Hell@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Well....
Message-ID: <199512072329.QAA27647@maple.enet.net>
>Anyway, let's definately keep a Midwest Ytsecon in the works for the
>'96 "Album To Be Named Later" Tour in the Fall...
>
Well, if THAT'S the way it's gonna be, we better set up a Western Ytse-Con
too. Preferably in Las Vegas. Because I wouldn't be able to go anywhere
else. Anybody want to try to plan this? I guess we need tour dates first,
but that's not the point. :-)
Ben Laussade
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:37:52 -0500
From: michael.bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: **IMPORTANT**
Message-ID: <v01020003acece3dd881e@[157.252.69.34]>
Hey Guys! I have temporarily disconnected my computer, so from now on, I
have to check my e-mail remotely, which means I won't be able to get it as
much.
So Trey, Matt and anyone else I've been talking to: KEEP
WRITING...It just might take me a little longer to write back.
P.S.- Is that the "Black Page" by Frank Zappa I hear Kevin Moore playing on
the 1990? Sundance instrumental show? Someone let me know. LAter!!
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 16:44:11 -0700
From: The.Frayed.Ends.of.Sanity@enet.net (Ulutkesty Neb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: MY really late reply, but I was mentioned, so I have to.
Message-ID: <199512072344.QAA28054@maple.enet.net>
>I am sick and tired of it!
So wake up and take an Aspirin.
> Months ago I mailed a message to the list to the list to the effect that I
>would really like to get some kind of song-by-song description of what
>interesting stuff is happening at which times in the song.
Chop, chop, chop
> For a while I thought Ben and some other guys were undertaking this project
>(and had started on "6:00"), but apparently not.
Well, I wasn't going to do it by myself!
> Last but not least I'd like to tell you that Ytsejam is the only mailing
>list that I am still not unsubscribing from after weeks of such intense
>output. The Rush mailing list was 30 Kb per day and that was simply too long
>for me. Ytsejam, however, is different. And I think it's people like Ben and
>Bafu that do it.
LIke Bafu said, do you mean that in a good way or a bad way?
> To Michael C.:
>
> This is something I've wanted to write for so, so long, for a few months
>actually. I am getting so god damn tired of all your condescending remarks
>about people who use lightly (in your opinion) the word of god or whatever.
I quote myself all the time. I take my name in vain. Michael C. doesn't
get mad at me!
I'm getting tired of all these condescing remarks about Michael C. We
already have establish the fact that not everyone agrees with him.
>Take a break man, you irrirate hell out of me even by your inane "God bless,"
>at the end of your every message.
IF YA DON'T LIKE IT, SKIP IT.
It sounds silly to say "buddha, that music
>sucks". It's idiomatic.
Buddha, buddha, buddha, buddha BUDDHA!!!!!
> I wish very much for you to shut up completely in god-related matters.
Awww, come on. I love it when people talk about me! Don't you think that
God (if there is one) appreciates it when Cogy talks about him?
>You're like a jack-in-the-box, popping up to defend christian morale and
>everything even *loosely* attached to it at the *slightest provocation*.
>Don't you realise that you're predictable and boring?
Bafu asked if him and I were predictable in boring. UNsubscribing without
warning wasn't predictable, last time I checked.
Gee, man, if only your
>signature was at the beginning of your messages I'd know what to skip right
>away.
GUESS WHAT! At the top of the post, there's a little thing called: From.
> I think the bible is just a badly written fantasy fiction novel, but I
Blahblahblahblahblah....
should
>any of us say "God sucks",
I'd do it. If you paid me, that is. I have recently changed my philosphy
on God.
If there is a God: Who cares? Life is good.
If there isn't a God: Who cares? Life is good.
> Religion is, like music, a matter of taste. Some people watch eMpTyV, some
>don't
Taste? Does it taste anything like fried bitch?
. Some people wear flares, some don't. Some people are religious, some
>aren't.
Some people (Eliott Kim :-) wear socks on their head some people (the rest
of the human population of the earth) don't.
There. My late two cents.
Seeeeyou.
Ben Laussade
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:58:30 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Got SM Single
Message-ID: <199512072358.PAA11116@cats.ucsc.edu>
I finally got the Silent Man Single. I think I concur with the list that
the Subcon EVE is better than the studio version.
As for the vocals on TTT, I think that they're just using a simple chorus
effect on James' voice to get that overdub effect. Go ahead and flame me if
this has been said a thousand times before. I just don't have time to read
every Jam.
~Chris
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Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:03:13 +0000 (GMT)
From: Baron Sengir <tsbileci@beta.loyno.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1186
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.951207165409.21979B-100000@beta.loyno.edu>
> From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
> Subject: The Lack of DT content
>
> All the people who keep writing about Rush and other bands that
> are obviously not DT should send each other private e-mail or start there
> own little fan club. I personally hate every band that is talked about on
> this list (except DT) and it is really annoying to have to filter through
> every damn comment on this thing.
Well, what do you like besides DT? And do you drift to the heavier side
(The Mirror, Lie) or the lighter side (Another Day, Space-dye Vest) of
DT? You see, this list is for DT and other prog-bands (though mainly DT).
There's nothing wrong with talking about other prog bands that *MOST*
people here like. Rush, Queensryche, Savatage, Yes, Fates Warning, King's
X, and Metallica (ok, not prog) happen to be bands that MANY of us like.
We are all linked by ONE factor. We all like Dream Theater. However, each
of use has our own tastes and interests. I rather like to see what ELSE I
have in common with the other Ytsejammers here besides the fact that we
like Dream Theater. DT is an anchor for all of us. But sometimes, there
just isn't much to talk about that's related to DT. Therefore, we try to
find other subjects. If you see a post that doesn't interest you, then
simply skip it.
So what bands DO you like if you don't like Rush, Queensryche, Fates
Warning, Yes, etc.? What is it that draws YOU to Dream Theater? What
elements do you like about them that you like in the other bands you
listen to?
> And whoever said Satan is God's son is a fucking idiot. You may
Hmmm, I don't think Bafu was the one that said that.
> believe that but that doesn't make it right. That's the first time I ever
> heard that and I have to say I will be laughing for some time over it.
> (ha ha). That's another thing on the "DT Mailing list", all this religion
> shit. I'm not anti religious but I'm sick of watching people argue over
> God on this thing.
Yes, that was the first time I had ever heard that, too. I wonder where
that person got that notion from. Perhaps he's getting the Christian mythos
confused with Greek mythology, where Zeus and Hades were both sons of Uranus.
Rest assured that I E-mailed that person and set him straight. I'm sure
Michael C. did, too. <G>
As for the current religious discussion, believe it or not, I think this
IS, in a way, relevant to Dream Theater. Think about some of the themes
that Dream Theater has expressed in their songs. Some of it has to do
with religion. Most of it doubting the role of religion in people's
lives. Look at "Take The Time:"
I need a new voice, a new law, a new way
Take the time, reevaluate
It's time to pick up the pieces,
Go back to sqaure one
I think it's time for a change
What does that mean? It seems to mean that someone is re-thinking their
religious beliefs.
You're fighting the weight of the world
And no one can save you this time
Close your eyes
You can find all you need in your mind
Are people fighting the pressure that society places on them when they decide
on a religious change? Can people find everything they need in their
minds, rather than from a "higher authority?"
Life is no more assuring than love
(It's time to take the time)
There are no answers from voices above
(It's time to take the time)
There are no answers from voices above? It seems that someone is in
DOUBT. This is a rather important revelation for someone who may have
grown up in a Judeo-Christian world, but now sees things differently ("I
can see much clearer now I'm blind").
Now, look at other Dream Theater songs.
Surrounded:
Once lost but I was found
When I heard the stained glass shatter all around me
I sent the spirits tumbling down the hill
But I will hold this one on high above me still
She whispers words to clear my mind
I once could see but now at last I'm blind
Voices:
Is there fantasy in refuge?
God in politicians?
Should I turn on my religion?
These demons in my head tell me too
I'm lying here in bed
Seems my skin is inside out
Just another Sunday morning
Seen my diary on the newstand
Seems we've lost the truth the quicksand
It's a shame no one is praying
'Cause these voices in my head keep saying
"Love, just don't stare"
"Reveal the Word when you're supposed to"
...
Maybe I'm just Cassandra fleeting
20th century icon bleeding
Willing to rish salvation
To escape from isolation
I'm witness to redemption
Heard you speak but never listened
Can you rid me of my secrets?
Deliver us from darkness?
Voices repeating me
"Feeling threatend?
We reflect your hopes and fears."
Voices discussing me
Don't expect your own messiah
This neverworld which you desire
Is only in your mind
See? There's a lot of internal conflict about religion there. What's so
different between the internal conflict presented in Dream Theater's
lyrics and the interal conflict within the Ytsejam over God? Some
believe. Some don't. Some are as confused as the subjects of those
lyrics. What *I* will agree with is that you need to make your own
decisions. Believe what you WANT to believe and not what others want you
to believe. Search yourself. That is what I believe Moore and Petrucci
are getting at in those lyrics.
> And to all the fucks who got on my case for moshing, all I did
> was ask if there was mosh pits at DT concerts. Suddenly I'm some type of
> evil murderer who's out dismember innocent people at a concert. Has
> anyone ever said "I'm going to kick your ass" while playing an opponent
> in some type of sport? It's the same fucking way.
Why don't you go the whole nine yards call them "sick fucks" or "fucking
idiots?" Why just "fucks" this time? Look, it's obvious that some people
don't approve of moshing and they stated their opinions on it. Some of
them did it not-so-nicely, but rememeber that it's ONLY AN OPINION.
Probably about 85% of everything people say on this list is opinion, 10%
is fact, and the other 5% is total garbage. Of course, that's my OPINION.
BTW, considering the fact that we are all communcationg through cyber-space,
that automatically makes us axe-murderering, child molesting, pornography
fiends. So, you've already got the label. Just accept it.
> Okay, I'm through bitching, anybody know how long it takes to get
> to Birch Hill from D.C. and if there is a get together?
>
> POLITICALLY CORRECT SUCKS
Well, I agree, mostly. Out of respect for females, I sometimes use mild,
gender-neutral language (like he/she), but that's so I don't get a
million women posting to the jam saying "I'M OFFENDED!"
> From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
> Subject: ONCE AND FOR ALL, STOP IT!!!
>
> Could we *please* take the theology discussions to email. That includes
> the idiot who complained about Mike C. posting religious stuff to the
> 'jam. Do you know how ironic that is??? This stuff could end up
> taking the 'jam down worse than the BM "thread" did for a while.
See above. Look at DT's lyrics and ask yourself if the religious
discussion is more or less relevant than the Blind Melon discussion.
> BTW, the guy who said that Satan and Christ are _brothers_ is a
> Mormon. That is Mormon "theology." At best, it is tangentially related
> to Christian theology.
Oh...MORMON. For a moment there, I thought you said MORON. And I was
going to agree...<EG>
> From: laussade@enet.net (The Ytsejammer from Hell)
> Subject: Sorry to clutter the Jam with this, but....
> > Al Balkiewicz
> > vocals, Half Naked
>
> I just have to know. Is your band actually half naked when you perform? Now
> THAT would be an interesting show.
Not really. How many rocks have you seen where some of the members wear
no shirts or shoes? The drummer from Def Leppard comes to mind (well,
when he had two arms).
> >James got together with....Steve Vai, Nick Menza, ME on keyboards, and
> > the bassist for White Zombie ( you know why)
>
> NIck Menza's cool, never heard (Steve) Vai, or you, and why? I mean, she's
> got GREEN HAIR.
What's wrong with green hair? Polaris (from the X-factor comic) has green
hair! Do you not like her? Wait...maybe you don't read comics...If you
don't, never mind.
> >Bafu rules.
> >God rules.
> >Thus, Bafu is God. Q.E.D. <G> (No offense to the more devout Christians
> >on the list. I'm a Christian, myself.)
>
> God is love.
> Love is blind.
> Ray Charles is blind.
> Ray Charles is God.
WHAT??? Ray Charles is Bafu Vai who is Susan Moscardini who's Mike Bahr
who's Mike Portnoy?
Paul
Baron (He who writes long posts) Sengir
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