YTSEJAM digest 676

Date: Tue Jan 31 1995 - 17:33:55 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Yngwie
      2) Re: misc. reply - Production
     by "Mark A. Parker" <>
      3) 6:00's rhythm
     by "Mark A. Parker" <>
      4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 674
     by (Brett Tally)
      5) Re: NIN/Majesty demos
     by (Dr. Mosh)
      6) Meanstreak
     by Robert C Devereux <>
      7) AGE
     by (Henrik Gustafsson)
     by (Henrik Gustafsson)
      9) DT T-Shirt Man's Poem
     10) DT doing covers
     by Mats Rydstr\vm <>
     11) Al DiMEola
     by Michael Herring <>
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 667
     13) Re^n: youngest fan
     by "Michael Wolberg" <>
     14) Re: Marillion
     by STEVE SMITS <>
     15) Guitar Question
     by Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <>
     16) Re: More FW
     by (Dr. Mosh)
     17) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
     by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
     18) DT's sex appeal
     by Michelle Garcia <>
     19) Re: Musical theme repetitions
     by "tdb" <>
     20) Re: YTSEJAM digest 674
     by "Christin A. Tank" <>
     21) Innocence Faded
     by "Brian J. Wherry" <>
     22) Re: My collexion :)
     by Stephen O Boyd <>
     23) nuthin' really
     by zebrowski steven <>
     24) RE: My foolish post.
     by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <>
     25) Re: FW
     by Ed Reed <>
     26) IM And Women
     by Michael Herring <>
     27) Re: Guitar Question
     by Jonathan Larkowski <>
     28) Re: Worst part of a song/Lie
     by Michelle Garcia <>
     29) Divine Regale
     by Jamie Burks <jburks@mv.MV.COM>
     30) Re: Early Genesis (maybe best music ever)
     by Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU>


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:26:31 -0600 (CST)
    Subject: Yngwie
    Message-ID: <>

    Does anyone know of an Ynwie Malmsteen mailing list? I'd really like to get on
    that. If anyone could send me an address or something, that would be great.
    Also, I'm getting sick of reading all this garbage about bashing particular
    songs (Innocence Faded, Lie, etc.). Doesn't anyone ever just sit back and
    enjoy Dream Theatre's music without analyzing the heck out of it? Why is it
    that it's not cool if it's doesn't switch time signatures every bar? I guess I
    think you people need to just take in Dream Theatre's music as a whole instead
    of part-by-part. After all, these guys ARE the best band in the world, right?
    Hope I didn't piss too many people off!


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:01:59 -0500
    From: "Mark A. Parker" <>
    Subject: Re: misc. reply - Production
    Message-ID: <>

    >The I&W snare sound was (I think) discussed here previously, and (correct

    >me if i'm wrong) it was triggered. While the drumming might be just a teeny
    >bit less intricate on Awake, it sounds a hell of a lot better, more

    >As a keyboard player,

    That last line might explain it... Most keyboards have a number of
    drum sounds sampled in, and you could be used to the fuller
    sound of the samples. Sorta the same with me, although my
    opinion on the drum sounds fluctuates. It's a taste issue, I
    suppose :)



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:20:55 -0500
    From: "Mark A. Parker" <>
    Subject: 6:00's rhythm
    Message-ID: <>

    >other than erotomania...6:00 is the MOST progressive piece on the new album...
    >it is definitely one of my favorites and IMHO there is no such thing as CHEESE
    >in this song...just try counting along with it...or more so... TRY PLAYING IT...some of the

    Counting it is rather fun (and not all that hard, actually)
    7/8 4/4 (8/8 ?) 7/8 9/8

    Headbanging to it live was a rush ;)
    (4 - 3 - 4 - 4 - 4 - 3 - 3 - 3 - 3 : at the speed this is going
    it could make a few peple dizzy)



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 09:26:47 PST
    From: (Brett Tally)
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 674
    Message-ID: <9501311726.AA24321@>

    Henrik Gustafsson you hit it on the head. Genesis with Peter Gabriel is
    nothing like the pop of Phil Collins and anyone who has not listened to
    things like "Lamb ..." or "Selling England by the Pound" should


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 03:10:38 PST
    From: (Dr. Mosh)
    Subject: Re: NIN/Majesty demos
    Message-ID: <>

    There's no controversy over boots, you got em, I'll take em!

    -The Doc

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    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:13:15 -0500 (EST) From: Robert C Devereux <> To: Subject: Meanstreak Message-ID: <>

    Sorry about the non DT content, but it is somewhat related. I was wondering if anyone could tell me anything about Meanstreak (what style they play, are they any good?).

    Rob Devereux (Nero)

    You're fighting the weight of the world, and no one can save you this time. Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. --Dream Theater "Take the Time"


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:26:01 +0100 From: (Henrik Gustafsson) To: Subject: AGE Message-ID: <>

    Yeah Now that we know who is the youngest and who is the oldest YtseJammer: Who is the MID-AGEST ? I am 24. ( just had to.)!

    Henrik Gustafsson Dream Theater Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson 461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D 0520-155 98 070-719 89 64 & 070-814 24 38 Fish


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:54:05 +0100 From: (Henrik Gustafsson) To: Message-ID: <>

    >Tymoteusz Altman <> writes: >> i agree that the outro is one of the best parts...that's the only >> reason i still listen to innocence faded.

    Well. is it my turn now ? I must say that I too have problems with IF, and if it didn't have that ending I would skip it. And that is NOT because I haven't tried it. I've listened to Awake 100's of times nigth&day. By the way; DTs best songs IMHO is SDV, bombay, Eve, mission impossible, lie,WfS/LtL,, (quite a mix of extremes, I think)

    OK! that's all

    Henrik Gustafsson Dream Theater Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson 461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D 0520-155 98 070-719 89 64 & 070-814 24 38 Fish


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 09:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: To: Subject: DT T-Shirt Man's Poem Message-ID: <01HMHODID49E001AOZ@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>

    Hello everyone, it's BABS. Please be patient, while I get stupid:

    There once was a guy named L. Jason Giles, who sold Dream Theater T-shirts across the miles.

    I e-mailed him a lot, and only one response I got. As my ytse friends can guess, a poet I am not. This is my sad attempt to put him on the spot.

    So once again I ask for help with this task, I need these t-shirts fast - to make the Dream Theater memories last. Jason, if you're reading this, let me know, This is all that I have to say - so I will go.

    -BABS (yes, I agree this poem should win the most pathetic of the year award)


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:23:33 +0100 (MET) From: Mats Rydstr\vm <> To: Ytsejam mailing-list <> Subject: DT doing covers Message-ID: <>

    Now that the covers gig is about to happen I was just wondering, what cover-tunes have DT played previously? Do they always stick close to their setlist, or have anyone attended a show where they freaked out and did a cover or another 'unplanned' song?

    I have heard some old demos and found tunes like Mission: Impossible and O Holy Night (xmas carol sort of), songs that most of us are familiar with. But they also demoed the great Beatles-tune (it's actually in three parts) Golden Slumbers/Carry That Weight/The End, it's really magnificent and I was hoping for them to do it on the cover-gig. These are the ones I've heard.

    But, I've also checked out the boot-listing and where all songs are listed I found 'FreeWill' (rush of course) and 'Gates Of Babylon'. Now, DT doing a Rush-cover may not be that surprising but what about 'Gates Of Babylon'? Have you heard it, who's singing? Is it available (together w/ FreeWill) on some boot? For you people who are unfamiliar with the title, 'Gates Of Babylon' might be a song by Rainbow from the 1978 album Long Live Rock'n'Roll, can anyone confirm this?

    Also: Don't Look Past Me doesn't sound like a DT-composition, anyone with more info?

    ________________________________________________________________________ / Mats Rydstrom - - / /-----------------------------------------------------------------------/ / "We can hope for the future, though there may not be one" - ACOS / /_______________________________________________________________________/


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 12:43:09 EST From: Michael Herring <> To: Subject: Al DiMEola Message-ID: <>

    I agree with Will about Al DiMeola. I got into his stuff about three years ago and it kick's butt. Other albums I would highly recommend are:

    Splendido Hotel - Fusion Jazz/ Fast Kiss My axe - Beautifully written Al's World Symphonia "Heart of the Immagrants" - Cool Tangos



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:44:43 +0600 From: To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 667 Message-ID: <>

    Could you please drop me from my subscription to the digest?

    Thank you, Mike Thorpe


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:41:12 GMT+200 From: "Michael Wolberg" <> To: Subject: Re^n: youngest fan Message-ID: <>


    > > Again, to all of you who are curious who the youngest fan is. Can > > anyone beat my ten year old sister? > > my 4 year old sister gets really excited when i play dream theater or > fates warning for her, especially Images and Words and Perfect > Symmetry. >

    OK. Anybody out there by any chance pregnant at the moment? If so, please try as follows: Move this belly close to the next speaker (or vice versa) and put in DT ("loudness" on of course -> basses are important). Try PMU or so. If junior starts moving more as usual (maybe headbanging), we've found the youngest DT fan ! Or probably the youngest .. err, what is the correct word .. anti-fan.

    ;-) ... couldn't resist.



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:00:40 -0600 (CST) From: STEVE SMITS <> To: Subject: Re: Marillion Message-ID: <>

    Date sent: 31-JAN-1995 11:48:44

    For Marillion....Misplaced Childhood is a must have. They opened for Rush in '86 and were so proud of that album that they played the whole thing. Basically all the Fish stuff is excellent....Fugazi isn't stellar though. If you like the Fish stuff then go out and get the newer Steve Hogarth CD's. (Seasons End, Holidays in Eden) I got their latest one (Brave) and think it's by far their worst album yet. I do wish they'd tour the states again. Excellent band to see live. BTW...are there any Saga fans out there?? When I play old Saga to some of my friends they say it sounds so much like Dream Theater. I tend to agree. They'll have a new album out this year and it'll be one big conceptual piece. (and you thought those albums went out of style)

    ******************************************************************************** * "Ravage, plunder, see no wonder, rape, kill and tear asunder... * Chop the forest, plow it under..." Kansas - 1975 * * *** Always interested in trading Kansas shows *** * Steve Smits ********************************************************************************


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:28:17 -0800 (PST) From: Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <> To: DREAM THEATER <> Subject: Guitar Question Message-ID: <>

    Ok, I've said it before, I am not a musician. Maybe this is a stupid question, but I'm going to ask anyway.

    When I saw DT play the last time they came through, JP used two guitars, well actually three. Of course he used his normal guitar that he uses all throughout the LiT video, but he also used another black and white guitar. To the untrained eye, it appeared the only difference was that the black and white guitar had silhouettes of the faces which appear on JP's normal guitar painted on it. Am I missing something here? Why did JP change guitars?

    Thanks, and ignore my ignorance.

    Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis University of Portland


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:29:17 PST From: (Dr. Mosh) To: Subject: Re: More FW Message-ID: <>

    Alright ladies and gents...

    I'm tired of all this BASHING and people running to DEFEND their tastes... it really is pointless... let us not forget one thing:


    So if you went out to buy Fates Warning and decided it sucked... oh wells... too bad for you... I'm sorry you can't enjoy what few can hear, but such is the case with Fates Warning... just as history has taught us, that which is superior often is persecuted.

    Another thing... BASHING of songs... I won't say I'm innocent of it... only because people want to put something down. Like the immense amount of people who like to put down Innocence Faded, give me a break... you suffer the Fates Warning syndrome, you listen to something and EXPECT it to be something else, you aren't LISTENING....

    -The Doc

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    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:08:37 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: <>

    Andrew Keegan <> writes: > Sometimes a few bursts of cheese (aaahh) can ruin an otherwise half-way > decent song.

    the "ah" works there very well. > > > > brilliant composition. it annoys me that a lot of dream theater fans > > have a tendency to do this, i'm not saying everyone but its there, i > > felt the same way when i first heard the song. but DT fans should keep > > there minds open and not get into the pantera mindframe where if it > > isn't heavy its no good. DT requires open mindedness, people who say > > I love Surrounded, I love Another Day, I even like Silent Man (in > context). Heaviness has nothing to do with it. Innocence Faded doesn't do > much for me.

    you misunderstood my point. my point is that a lot of people overlook the music immediately because they dong like the aesthetic. i never said anyone but i've noticed it a lot lately, on ytsejam, newsgroups, irc, off the net, etc

    > > and songs like that. its diversity and their ability to write > > excellent music that makes them who they are. > > > > big ramble. my point, dt demands openmindedness, so before you label a > > song as cheese because it grooves or poppy because james sings 'ah' and > > its a major chord, give it another chance. dt grows on you. i hate IF > > and now its my favorite from the cd because i put the 'too poppy' > > mentallity out of my head and listened with a clean slate, so to > > speak. there isn't a single DT song after the majesty demos that i > > dont love. > > Of course, the operative word here is "i". Other open-minded opinions may > differ.

    again, my point is i love everything despite the aesthetic. i think another day sounds cheesy but the music is good. > > > > > its the same closed mindedness and unwillingness to listen that keeps > > people from getting into fates. > > Is it not possible to dislike a song and still be open-minded? Hell- I

    no. but people who listen to fates for the first time and turn it off because they think it sounds like commercial hard rock and condemn it as shit dont really listen. ask dr mosh. its the unwillingness to listen deeper than the guitar sound that keeps people from getting into it. you almost never hear someone say 'i listened closely and i didnt like the music', its usually 'this is commercial hard rock. it sucks. i'm fucking glad i didnt waste my money on this piece of shit queensryche ripoff"

    > like a good pop song, but Innocence Faded doesn't even work as a pop song > the way Another Day does.

    innocence faded isn't a pop song... the only thing poppy about it is the chorus. and if you cant listen to it because of the chorus i recommend giving it a few more chances because i couldn't get into it for quite a while until i put the idea that its a pop song out of my head and really listened to the music and the mood. and i've noticed that people sometimes are unwilling to do this and are missing great stuff

    under brooding skies and watchful on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in -cds for sale: guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:26:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michelle Garcia <> To: Cc: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: DT's sex appeal Message-ID: <>

    On Tue, 31 Jan 1995 wrote:

    > And here is another one (written by HEADSTRONG <>): > > > There's nothing wrong with that, and I challenge the > > so-called "musical intelligensia" to write songs that do so much for the > > female libido. (Sorry, but Dream Theater does not get the women)(Hope that > > doesn't offend anyone, but it makes my point.) All music serves a different

    John Petrucci can get me anytime, anywhere. The boy is HOT!!!

    -------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Garcia {{{{}}}} University of California, San Diego San Diego Supercomputer Center USA email: { "I feel elated, I feel depressed, sex is death, death is sex; says it right here on my crucifix." - Voices, DREAM THEATER } --------------------------------------------------------------

    > > purpose, and any music which fulfills it's purpose, is good music. > > I'm sorry but it DOES offend some, me for one. What are you trying to say? > "Dream Theater does not get the women"??? Thanks, so much for my femininity! > > I can't believe that females on this list have to deal with all that sexist > crap. I'm sick and tired of being treated as some sort of curiosity when I > say I'm a big Queensryche or Dream Theater or Rush or Fates Warning fan. > Could we please stop categorizing music on gender basis in this forum? This > is really getting annoying. I know you didn't mean to be offensive but try > to be a little more sensitive about the feelings of other readers. > > Thank you for your consideration, > Kinga > > _______________________________________________________________________________ > "Ahh yes to yes ahh ahh to yes > why the sun why the sun..." Kinga Dytkowska - > _______________________________________________________________________________ > >


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 11:34:54 PST From: "tdb" <> To: Subject: Re: Musical theme repetitions Message-ID: <>

    > Yes, Tuck and Patti are incredible. I remember reading about Tuck > Andress in Guitar Player many years ago, and then being pleasantly > surprised to find a full length album by them. Very unique.

    Tuck is what I call a typical Windham Hill guitarist (though they've changed labels since I last saw them) - to me that implies a very high level of skill. (Especially when you _know_ you're going to be compared to Will Ackerman and Michael Hedges.) He's fun to see live - a touch introverted but with a slightly warped sense of humor.

    I'm going to be seeing them at the House of Blues at the end of February. I'm looking forward to it, since seeing them in concert is so much better than listening to the album. (It's also *the* perfect romantic date - Tuck and Patti are married to each other, are still very much in love, and it shows in their performance - too bad I don't have anyone to take *sigh*)

    -- Tim (if you tied buttered toast to the back of a cat and dropped it from a height, what would happen?)


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Christin A. Tank" <> To: Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 674 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501311553.A18169-0100000@gort>

    Hello, I'm a recent subscriber to ytsejam and I would like to know how to get there demo's. If anyone can give me any information about them, I'd really appreciate it.

    Thanks! Christin


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 15:41:56 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <> To: <> Subject: Innocence Faded Message-ID: <31JAN95.16954903.0035.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>

    For those of you who are not all that into IF, let me tell you some of my favorite moments of the song: The chorus-Make up your own harmonies and sing along with the "ahhhhh" part. "Wearing apathetic displays"-such a great fat-guitar entrance. The drum fill right before "Some will transcend spinning years" is one of the slickest on the entire disc, IMHO. There's my $.02, now go fire it up!!


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:55:28 -0500 From: Stephen O Boyd <> To: Subject: Re: My collexion :) Message-ID: <>

    Chuck Reis mentioned:

    > Marty Friedman -- Scenes/Introduction (It's a tie)

    I have to mention the fact that I really like these albums... they are great music, and prove that Marty Friedman (the lead guitarist of Megadeth, for those who don't know) can do more than shred. I got Scenes sometime last year (in school years) and I got Introduction about 3 weeks ago. They are both really cool, mellow music.



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: zebrowski steven <> To: Subject: nuthin' really Message-ID: <>

    First would just like to thank everyone for including singers as musicians on their posts<especially on the poll>. As a singer, I have taken much too much crap about not being a "real musician" in the band situation. <I'm also available to anyone in the Baltimore area w/ a prog band>.

    Blatant plug. Sorry.

    As Rodney King once said, "Can't we all just get along?" Can we PLEASE put the least favorite DT song issue to rest? Especially the people who feel compelled to ramble on about WHY they don't like it. Who cares? I know we can all find something of merit in all DT's songs <even IF>, so let's drop it. My $.02. 6:00 and IF are great!



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:48:06 MST From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <> To: Subject: RE: My foolish post. Message-ID: <508059061E@UCS.ISU.EDU>

    *Blushing quite profusely* Yes, I expected as much...

    OK, I expected flames for dissing FW so harsh and all, but I just didn't like it. I guess I'll try another album. It's just that I couldn't find a groove with it. Tell me a good one to start with (I guess starting with Awaken the Guardian must not have been a wise choice.) I was actually pretty pissed when I heard all of these raves about them and so I was expecting a new Pink Floyd or Dream Theater or something. And don't talk to me about limited listening, either, I liked the music, I just couldn't stand the singer...

    Oh, by the way, it did give great head(ache). ;) Sorry for the illiteracy, (But not the comment (yet)) Chuck


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:31:47 -0600 (CST) From: Ed Reed <> To: Subject: Re: FW Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950131162106.29657A-100000@comp>

    For all you people out there arguing over whether Fates Warning is godlike or whether they suck, here's my humble opinions on the band. First off, I would have to list them in my top 5 favorite bands. That being said, I also have to be in the right mood to listen to their music. The studio work that I have heard by them (Inside Out and Parallels only) simply lacks the edge that we have come to expect by the major recording levels. To observe this, switch between Metallica's 'And Justice for All' and Fates' 'Parallels'. Metallica's album has an edge or an intensity to it, where Fates' album is somehow lacking in that department. When I first bought Parallels after a recommendation I wasn't that impressed, but after giving it enough listenings and going beyond the surface of the production I found the brilliance of the music within.

    That being said, if you truly wish to give Fates' a chance, pick up one or two of their albums and give them a good listen. Then after you familiarize yourself with the songs, try to catch the band live. After listening to Inside Out and Parallels for a few months and then catching them live, I must have to say I was *very* pleasantly surprised. The difference between the albums and the live show was incredible. Performing live they managed to capture that intensity that is missing from the albums and after the show my appreciation for them increased quite a bit.

    Ed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Breaking the silence of the night with my screams and no one hears. I've given my life to become what I am, but I raise my head and stare into the eyes of a stranger. Weirdorama Psychodome: the lights are on, but nobody's home. I don't believe in love: it's never worth the pain that you feel.


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 18:13:43 EST From: Michael Herring <> To: Subject: IM And Women Message-ID: <>

    Hey DT Lovers,

    Anyone ever heard of Iron Maiden. They are an influence on Dream TheaterThey Said So! If you've never heard them and wish to, check out, "Seventh Son of a Seventh Son". Granted The Metal Minded IM fan did not like this album as much as the rest, but all my open-minded DT lovin friends Love "Seventh Son".

    I Implore you to check out "Infinite Dreams" Track 2 on "Seventh Son". It kicks ass! As for women DT fans, I love 'em all.



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 15:45:56 PST From: Jonathan Larkowski <> To: Subject: Re: Guitar Question Message-ID: <>

    The black and white guitar is a custom Ibanez Universe SEVEN-string (I think). He uses it on Caught in a Web, The Mirror, Lie, Space-Dye Vest and I would bet 6:00 (at least the E-E D-D E-D-E chord part sounds like it has those lower notes in it to me).



    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 17:02:29 -0800 (PST) From: Michelle Garcia <> To: Cc: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Re: Worst part of a song/Lie Message-ID: <>

    The part of Lie that I hate is where James sounds like Elvis: you know "you tell me trust me..." What a cheesehead!

    I like the "Worst song" thread because it give me a different perspective on DT's songs. There is no way that I can say that I like each and every song in the same way i.e. "they all kick butt, dude and anyone who says different should be shot!"

    -------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Garcia {{{{}}}} University of California, San Diego San Diego Supercomputer Center USA email: { "I feel elated, I feel depressed, sex is death, death is sex; says it right here on my crucifix." - Voices, DREAM THEATER } --------------------------------------------------------------


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 20:16:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jamie Burks <jburks@mv.MV.COM> To: Dream Theater <>, Subject: Divine Regale Message-ID: <>

    Well, I was one of the lucky ones who received the Divine Regale tape. And I had to tell all the 'jammers to get this album. Horizons is a great disc!!! From the razor sharp vocals of Dwight Hill to the rock solid kick of Chris Anderson this album rocks! It is an absolute must for any DT fan. 'Nuff said.

    I'd like to add my voice to the ones pleading for tapes of the Cover show in London (even if I'm a little late).

    And one more thing, as far as the worst/least favorite DT song....... you've gotta be kidding me. I haven't heard anything yet that I don't like and hope that I never do!

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ..the voice of reason against the howling mob. Jamie Burks - Rush - "Nobodys Hero"

    Each day I take from the future I add to my past - Divine Regale - "Horizon" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:10:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen Bajzek <MadMax+@CMU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <> Subject: Re: Early Genesis (maybe best music ever) Message-ID: <>

    Excerpts from mail: 31-Jan-95 Re: Early Genesis (maybe be.. by Rob > While Moore may have better chops I think Banks is a better composer, > and his keyboard work more original. I've read interviews where Banks > considers himself a composer before being a performer. His work on > the early Genesis albums is incredibly magical and innovative. And his sense > of harmony is fantastic! I tried to figure out the chords to the > In the Cage solo and it's no easy task. Actually the solo to Under a Glass > Moon is easier to play than In the Cage, if you include the background chords.

    In case anyone misunderstood, I was in no way trying to say that Banks is anything less than a genius (although his work on the most recent Genesis studio album didn't impress me all that much.) He's an excellent composer. One listen to Mad Man Moon will tell you that. I don't know if I'd say he's a better composer than Moore, though, mainly because it's hard to tell who wrote what in DT's songs, although I think Wait for Sleep and SDV would hold up against anything.

    As far as soloing is concerned, I agree that Kevin is more improvisational sounding and Banks more compositional. Maybe that's why Kevin's solos sound so much more emotional to me...they're more alive, I think, because of (among other things) his use of the pitch bend. Most of the the pich bends I hear listening to Banks and other keyboardists are big, extremely noticable. Kevin's tend to be more subtle, so that they don't scream "I'M A PITCH BEND!" but rather remove the mechanical sound of the keyboard, making it a more expressive instrument. When Kevin bends a note it sounds as natural as when Petrucci does.

    Other things, too, like the solo near the end of LtL. Little pauses between notes, giving them more feel, making them sound less mechanical. The keyboard can be a very confining instrument, because when you hit a key, it makes one sound, as opposed to a guitar, where you hold down the string, bending it slightly, and then pick the string. The amount you bend, the angle at which you hold the pick, other movements, all of these things affect the way each note sounds, so it will sound different every time you play it. It takes much more talent to make a keyboard sound spontaneous, and to my ear, no one does that as well as Kevin.


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