YTSEJAM Digest 638
Today's Topics:
1) Sort of DT associate on a plane
by Dario M Zagar <dmz2@columbia.edu>
2) dt singles?
by meem@gnu.ai.mit.edu
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 629
by ed158@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally Chung)
4) T-shirts
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
5) Re: IMHO?
by Ash J Williams Klatoo Verata Nikhurghugrgurhr <rfguy@is.dal.ca>
6) IMHO
by John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com>
7) RE: Dream and Tori
by "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu>
8) Boots over the 'net
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
9) Re: Dream and Tori
by HOCHBERG@ALBNYVMS.BITNET
10) Paging Kai...
by JennieBear@aol.com
11) Re: IMHO
by G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu>
12) Re: IMHO
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
13) Re: Tori
by ACW1066@aol.com
14) Re: IMHO
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
15) Re: dt singles?
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
16) DT and classical music
by s800690@aix2.uottawa.ca (Eric Gauthier)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 637
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
18) tori amos
by "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu>
19) Subscribe
by Frode Johnsen <JOHNSENF@STUDENTEN.TOH.NO>
20) DT-instrumental
by jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer)
21) Re: DT and classical music
by An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
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Date: Wed, 4 Jan 1995 12:39:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Dario M Zagar <dmz2@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Sort of DT associate on a plane
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950104122720.20546B-100000@namaste.cc.columbia.edu>
Sorry for the lame subject, but I didn't know how to word it!
I was on a flight from West Palm Beach to Newark the other day, listening
to Awake on my portable CD player (you can even hear Kevin depressing the
pedals on Space Dye Vest, it's that clear (well, not on a plane, it
isn't)), and had the cd case on the tray table. This guy across the
aisle from me says, "Oh, are you listening to Dream Theater?" I was a
bit taken aback, since most people have no clue who they are. "Yes," I
reply. As it turns out, he is friends with Rob Simon, DT's ex-manager.
We discussed the group for a while. This guy wasn't a fan, and hadn't
even ever heard them, though Rob had given him a Cd to listen to. He did
know stuff about DT through Rob, though, such as Kevin's departure from
the group, Portnoy's wedding in Long Island (which Rob had attended).
This guy said that they had auditioned a son of one of the members of
ELP--any truth to that? He said that Rob told him they are going to be
huge, and I was glad that I'm not the only one. Apparently, Rob Simon
left DT to become the head of Worldwide Music, which I have no clue
about. I made the obligatory Ytsejam mention, and told him that we
manage to somehow find out just about everything about the group (how the
hell does Jason Hartman have all those boots, anyway-one of the great
mysteries of the world!)
Well, I know this is pretty worthless on the whole, but I thought it was
kind of random and cool, and my. . . BRUSH... WITH...DT. . . (sort of, in
a very roundabout, well, whatever).
Later,
Dario
P.S. 6:00 is too a cool song! (And my dad can beat up your dad, to boot!)
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 95 00:57:33 EST
From: meem@gnu.ai.mit.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: dt singles?
Message-ID: <9501050557.AA10519@wombat.gnu.ai.mit.edu>
out here in boston i've only been able to find (and this after a lot
of looking) the cd single for lie. while it's pretty awesome, i'm
wondering, isn't there one for caught in a web around somewhere? if
so, what's on it?
Also, is the song "forever" i see listed on boots (i forget which one,
it was a 2-disc affair though) the same song as "to live forever"?
thirdly, a few places have had a version of the japanese import of
awake WITHOUT "eve" listed on the back and for cheaper. i would assume
that eve is in fact not on it.. is this the correct assumption?
-- Maybe all I need kairosROCKliquidSPINALchaos I'm... Dis con nec ted beside my pills ---------- feeling so... Dis con nec ted and the surgery meem@gnu.ai.mit.edu oh... Dis con nec ted is a new metaphor for reality. you know.--
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 06:54:23 -0500 From: ed158@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Wally Chung) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 629 Message-ID: <199501051154.GAA18886@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu>
Could you give a set list of the awake tour for Denver, Colorado and the RPM Warehouse?
I don't seem to have a lot of money at this moment, so can we just settle for a few tapes? Audio tapes, I mean? Lost in the Sky Denver Colorado -the Piitsburgh tape for now. Short on money. But, I'd still like those tapes. It'll probably be about four tapes, right? So, let's go with this: Tape 1: LitS/LitS tape 2: LitS(cont'd, if needed)/ LitS (cont'd if needed), or start the Denver, Colorado show tape 3:Denver, Colorado show (cont'd)/Denver, Colorado show (cont 'd if needed). I think I remember you saying that it would be $10 for LitS, and an additional $4 for the extra tape, because you're going to start recording the Denver, Colorado show on the same tape as LitS. So, I guess the total comes to $14. Right?
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Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 08:37:09 -0500 (EST) From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: T-shirts Message-ID: <01HLHBTF2FOI000AD6@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Good morning ytsejams, it's Babs. I've been off from work and away from my computer for well over a week and just finished scanning the digests. What's this about T-shirts? I am very interested - would someone mind filling me in? "Light to dark, dark to light, light to dark, dark to light" - sorry everyone, but that song has been in my head since I woke up this morning, had to get it out of my system. Take care. -BABS
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 10:00:00 -0400 (AST) From: Ash J Williams Klatoo Verata Nikhurghugrgurhr <rfguy@is.dal.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IMHO? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501050904.A95873-0100000@is.dal.ca>
On Wed, 4 Jan 1995, Robert J Weychert Jr wrote:
> Please excuse my ignorance--I am a relative newcomer to the Net--but what > exactly does "IMHO" mean? This has been bugging me for some time now... > > --Rob > >
"In my honest opinion". There are a lot of variations too. Like IMODO (in my own damn opinion) etc.......
Ash Williams Good, bad. I'm the man with the gun.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 10:24:46 -0500 From: John Mastin <jmastin@motown.ge.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: IMHO Message-ID: <199501051524.KAA11927@tommy.MOTOWN.GE.COM>
Also too there are
PFM - Pure Friggin' Magic - A good answer to give when someone asks you how you got something to work that didn't work before. And you didn't do a damn thing to get it to work.
FNFR - For No F#ckin' Reason - No explanation neccessary.
OK, Dr. Mosh, you got me. What is TOWHTSTS?????
Johnny
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 12:49:58 EST From: "Debra D. Hanson 813-332-1969" <HANSOND@mail.firn.edu> To: "ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: RE: Dream and Tori Message-ID: <D15ZVOLIHOOG*/R=FIRNVX/R=A1/U=HANSOND/@MHS>
>>>>> I talked of that with James La Brie when he was in Paris for the promotion of "Awake" (August 94) and he answered "You know, I am a huge fan of Tori Amos. I love what she does, lyrically and musically. And Kevin loves her too" What is your opinion about that ? Are there some Ytsejammers that are also Tori fans ?<<<<<<
I'm surprised to hear that LaBrie likes Tori, though I knew of Kevin's love for her work. In fact, I had the impression that LaBrie wasn't impressed with Kev's taste in music when he chose to depart from DT... maybe I'm wrong there - got the wrong impression somehow. Anyway, I expect you'll find many DT fans also like Tori's work. Just ask Jenn :) I do, even though I'm not usually one to enjoy female vocalists -her raw emotion compels one to listen.
Deb
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 11:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: pearljam-l@cornell.edu (PEARL JAM server), Cc: mikeb@pearl.cs.brandeis.edu (Michael Burstin) Subject: Boots over the 'net Message-ID: <199501051619.LAA07395@pearl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Hi all... I am looking for any and all info that people have about ordering boots over the net. I am attempting to make a list to put onto my home page... So far, the 2 that I have listed are cdnow.com and gemm.com. Both have direct support for http connections. The others that I know of that I know of are ranjit@netcom.com, compactdiscs@delphi.com, ktsonline@aol.com, and I know of cdconnection.com and cdeurope.com. I just have to add them to the list once I look over how to make the connections (mailto, ftp, telnet, etc) Anyway, are there others that any of you know of?
-- +---------------------------------+ | Here we go STEELERS, here we go | +----------------+---------------+---------------+-+-------------------+ | I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin | | My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University | | I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+ | but somewhere fate went wrong. | Home for break, but still on daily | +--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Thu, 05 Jan 1995 12:37:37 -0500 (EST) From: HOCHBERG@ALBNYVMS.BITNET To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Dream and Tori Message-ID: <01HLHKCBWQYQ8WX95Q@albnyvms.BITNET>
The address for Really Deep Thoughts (the Tori mailing list) is:
To subscribe, send a query to rdt-request@gradient.cis.upenn.edu.
Later,
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 14:59:14 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Paging Kai... Message-ID: <950105145910_7810801@aol.com>
Sorta on topic, sorta off topic...
Kai: Do you know a Sharon H. in Pittsburgh, PA who's a Dream Theater fan? I'm asking because I met her through the Fidonet CD echo - she was looking for other DT fans! : ) I posted back to her, mentioning that I'm a fellow fan and a Ytsejammer. She's not a Ytsejammer (yet!), but she said she had heard about such things from her friend Kai! Odd coincidence, or are the two Kais one in the same?
Jen
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 15:22:12 -0500 (EST) From: G-Man <gmsanbo@strauss.udel.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IMHO Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950105152023.16806A-100000@strauss.udel.edu>
On Thu, 5 Jan 1995, John Mastin wrote: > > OK, Dr. Mosh, you got me. What is TOWHTSTS????? > > Johnny
Hmmm.. someone needs to study their When Dream and Day Unite !
FYI: The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun
:) (for your information)
G
| Garrett M Sanborne Univ of Delaware |=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- | Disco is to music as | | Dream Theater * Rush * Queensryche * | Etch-A-Sketch is to art. | | * Led Zeppelin * Metallica * Mozart |-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-|
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 95 16:50:39 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IMHO Message-ID: <9501060050.AA02051@teng6.fmt>
> From ytsejam@arastar.com Thu Jan 5 16:42:12 1995 > > Also too there are > > PFM - Pure Friggin' Magic - A good answer to give when someone asks > you how you got something to work that didn't > work before. And you didn't do a damn thing to > get it to work. > > FNFR - For No F#ckin' Reason - No explanation neccessary.
(good ones, but we could go on for days (BWCGOFD)
And WTF? What the F#ck?
> OK, Dr. Mosh, you got me. What is TOWHTSTS?????
> > Johnny
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun.
Zach
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 20:24:32 -0500 From: ACW1066@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Tori Message-ID: <950105202430_8080875@aol.com>
The question was asked:
Are there some Ytsejammers that are also Tori fans ?
(of course that is Amos, not Spelling) ;-}
My answer is - HELL YES!! Tori is an amazing musician. She has mostly a female audience, due to her themes of surviving male abuse and alot of other pro-feminine focuses, but men are among her fans - and count me in. I think you'll find most Dream Theater fans probably have a varied range of tastes. The original poster found it odd that someone would like both TA and DT. I don't find this odd at all. There are bands I listen that others of you might scoff at, and maybe vice versa. But I guess it proves that DT is a musical band that attracts all kinds of music fans, and not just your stereotypical "metal-head" - actually the stereotypical metalheads I have run into dislike DT anyway. Just a tidbit - I'm trying to prove my theory that "alternative" is a bullshit label. Anything that is an alternative to FM formatted radio bullshit is the real alternative. From Dream Theater to Phish - if the Top 40 mentality hasn't set in, it's a true alternative to me. So call your favorite local "alternative station and request Dream Theater!!
PEACE Andy ACW1066@AOL.COM
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 19:52:27 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: IMHO Message-ID: <199501060152.TAA01311@galaxy.galstar.com>
> > Also too there are > > PFM - Pure Friggin' Magic - A good answer to give when someone asks > FNFR - For No F#ckin' Reason - No explanation neccessary.
And don't forget the ever popular....
RTFM - Read the fuckin manual. :)
> > OK, Dr. Mosh, you got me. What is TOWHTSTS?????
The Ones Who Help to Set the Sun, of course. :)
I can't believe we're talking about this topic on the Ytsejam mailing list.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 19:55:52 -0600 (CST) From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: dt singles? Message-ID: <199501060155.TAA01356@galaxy.galstar.com>
> > out here in boston i've only been able to find (and this after a lot > of looking) the cd single for lie. while it's pretty awesome, i'm > wondering, isn't there one for caught in a web around somewhere? if > so, what's on it?
Its only the promo edition... it only has the radio edit and regular version on it. As does the Lie promo. I guess we'll see the Caught in a Web single sometime soon... maybe.
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 22:42:42 -0500 From: s800690@aix2.uottawa.ca (Eric Gauthier) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT and classical music Message-ID: <9501060342.AA64135@aix2.uottawa.ca>
So far it seems that many ytsejammers have pretty diverse tastes, so I have a question: what about classical music? Do some of you listen to it and have any favorite composers or pieces? I'd be interested to try out some new styles and make my tape collection more complete. I like complex, intense and sometimes dark music. Does anyone have suggestions? It would be interes- ting to see what ytsejammers listen to, apart from Dream Theater. Also, just a thought: what if DT had a full symphonic orchestra at their disposition? Not just like the "A Classic Case" series, where an orchestra interprets some of the band's greatest hits: here the band would actually write the songs with the orchestra in mind, and perform along with it. They could also throw in some non-traditional instruments if they feel like it. What would a whole electric violin section sound like? I don't expect such a thing to happen (not anytime soon, anyway) but the speculation is interes- ting. Now where did I put the damn .sig file?
Eric Gauthier, s800690@aix2.uottawa.ca
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 02:12:22 -0500 From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 637 Message-ID: <199501060712.CAA01921@o231-24.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
DT and Tori Amos:
I haven't heard much of Tori's work, but I have been rather impressed with what I have. In particular a number of covers she did (Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit she makes this wretched thing listenable; also Led Zeppelin's Thank You, already a beautiful song as it was, she did quite a bit of justice to).
Tori isn't progressive, but then, some things don't need to be. Must be the keyboardist in me that's so forgiving ;)
A little off-topic, there was a post recently to NFTE (the Yes newsletter) that Tori and Jon Anderson had gotten together in Memphis and done a few songs. Though the location would make me more willing to believe JoHn Anderson (a solo country artist) was the one involved, one can dream :)
Dom'ny
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 05:20:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: tori amos Message-ID: <199501061120.FAA08089@tam2000.tamu.edu>
> From: Stephane Auzilleau <auzzy@mails2.entpe.fr> > Subject: Dream and Tori > > Good occasion the message of Brian Cox in Digest 615 : he said he bought a > record of ... Tori Amos. Here in France a strange phenomen appears to me : > many die hard DT fans are also huge Tori Amos fans, as I am for sure. > I talked of that with James La Brie when he was in Paris for the promotion > of "Awake" (August 94) and he answered "You know, I am a huge fan of Tori > Amos. I love what she does, lyrically and musically. And Kevin loves her too" > What is your opinion about that ? Are there some Ytsejammers that are also > Tori fans ? > If you don't know her, try her... You won't be disappointed ! > I'm also interested in Tori's mailing list. If you know about it, please > tell me. Thank you.
i don't remember saying anything about tori on yj, but i do love her. i have noticed quite a few prog rock and prog metal fans that like her, too. there was a big discussion on a.m.progressive about whether she should or should not be called progressive. personally i don't care how her music is labelled. it touches me deeply and she is obviously extremely talented both as a musician and a lyricist. i think the main thing she has in common with dream theater as well as other bands (king's x, queensryche, hell, even voivod) is that she combines evocative emotional statements and excellent musicianship in music that is new and fresh sounding, without fitting into traditional molds. when i listen to her, or dream theater, i can let the music take me to the place that the musicians were in when they wrote the songs, and experience the same emotions. to me, this is the mark of truly excellent writers and performers.
tori might not be for everyone on this list, but i highly recommend giving her a listen or two .
she only has two albums (forgetting the first metal one):
little earthquakes under the pink
there are also an insane amount (55 i think at last count) of cd bootlegs, and at least that amount of import and promo singles. she must have recorded or performed at least 100 different songs. she likes to change her setlist around drastically every night, throwing in covers from everyone from prince to bad company to john lennon to jimi hendrix.
there is a tori mailing list. it is called really deep thoughts, and can be subscribed to my sending mail to rdt-request@something... email me for the address. i don't remember it.
later..
**always looking for rush/dream theater/queensryche/king's x bootlegs** ============================================================================= Voices repeating me, Brian V. Cox Voices discussing me, "Feeling threatened? lerxst@tamu.edu "Others steal your thoughts We reflect your hopes Dream Theater- They're not confined and fears." A Mind Beside Itself: II. Voices Within your mind." ============================================================================= check out my new homepage: http://tam2000.tamu.edu/~bvc8995
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 13:28:44 GMT +0100 From: Frode Johnsen <JOHNSENF@STUDENTEN.TOH.NO> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subscribe Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.950106132844.384@studenten.toh.no>
----- Hi !
If possible I'd like to join the DT mailinglist.
Thanks!
Frode Johnsen , Trondheim , NORWAY email: JohnsenF@studenten.toh.no
______________________________________________
Frode Johnsen Trondheim College of Economics NORWAY
e-mail: JohnsenF@studenten.toh.no
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Date: Thu, 5 Jan 1995 18:40:52 +0100 From: jerry@muc.de (Andreas Schaefer) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT-instrumental Message-ID: <95Jan5.183828met.25570-1@colin.muc.de>
Hi there everybody!
I just got my copy of "Dream Theater - Instrumental". They got it in an ordinary record-store here in munich (germany) for about 25 $ :-)
I think it's really a fine piece of work, even if the sound is not perfect. There's lots of noise and the drums (especially the hi-hats) seem to have no pressure... but what the h... Songs like "The ones who help to set the sun" and the two pieces Petrucci has done for "guitar player"-mag are absolut fantastic.
We had great laughs about the bandphoto on the cover-inside. Kevin Moore and John Petrucci must have spent their whole money at the barbershop these times (1987).
All in all it's worth every cent - go get it for your collection.
greetings from Bavaria - jerry :--)
---------------------------------------------------------------- Andreas Schaefer email: jerry@muc.de "This is the CENTRAL SCRUTINIZER..." FZ - Joe's garage ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 6 Jan 1995 09:18:23 -0500 (EST) From: An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT and classical music Message-ID: <m0rQFX8-0002snC@donews.cts.com>
Paganini is a fave of mine, although Holst's "The Planets" is another in my collection. Another cool thing that I recently got was the Yanni:Live at the Acropolis (an Xmas gift for Mom) which really impressed me, and an album by Elvis Costello and the Brodsky Quartet, both of which wouldn't really be considered classical per se, but are quite good (the drum solo on Yanni's album is amazing!)
No, I'm not a freak, even though I'm also a Harry Connick fan as well..*shrug*
later,
Al > > So far it seems that many ytsejammers have pretty diverse tastes, so I have > a question: what about classical music? Do some of you listen to it and have > any favorite composers or pieces? I'd be interested to try out some new > styles and make my tape collection more complete. I like complex, intense > and sometimes dark music. Does anyone have suggestions? It would be interes- > ting to see what ytsejammers listen to, apart from Dream Theater. > Also, just a thought: what if DT had a full symphonic orchestra at their > disposition? Not just like the "A Classic Case" series, where an orchestra > interprets some of the band's greatest hits: here the band would actually > write the songs with the orchestra in mind, and perform along with it. They > could also throw in some non-traditional instruments if they feel like it. > What would a whole electric violin section sound like? I don't expect such > a thing to happen (not anytime soon, anyway) but the speculation is interes- > ting. > Now where did I put the damn .sig file? > > Eric Gauthier, s800690@aix2.uottawa.ca > >
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