YTSEJAM Digest 671
Today's Topics:
1) FW "Valley of the Dolls", DT & FW videos, & Bruce Dickinson
by "Perry M. Grayson" <hbjou001@huey.csun.edu>
2) Re: shifts
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
3) Re: Concert tickets
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
4) Re: Magellan
by James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
5) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
6) Re: Youngest Y'jammer
by William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
7) Boot sources...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
8) Re: fates stuff
by James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
9) Re: Youngest Yjammer
by Mark Tedhams <markt@gn2.getnet.com>
10) Assorted DT Content
by esa2@cornell.edu (Mr. Phat)
11) Re: who's youngest?
by rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
12) Re: Least Favorite DT Songs
by rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
13) All sorts of stuff!!!!!
by SRVRIP@aol.com
14) Re: Awake album promos
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
15) misc. reply
by James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 670
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
17) Re: Magellan
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
18) I&W vs. Awake
by <laferrie@grumpy.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
19) Drums on I&W
by Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
20) Marillion/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
21) Marillo/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH
by d.sherman4@genie.geis.com
22) Re: Missing Ytsejams
by kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
23) Re: Pantera bashing
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:27:52 +0800 (PST)
From: "Perry M. Grayson" <hbjou001@huey.csun.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: FW "Valley of the Dolls", DT & FW videos, & Bruce Dickinson
Message-ID: <Pine.3.03.9501281336.A3670-c100000@huey.csun.edu>
In Digest #668, Al Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.edu> wrote
this in response to the Fates Warning "Valley of the Dolls" lyrics
I'd posted so folks could figure out what John Arch was saying
(Painted plastic faces--not plastic feces!):
> blasphemous black bible bias you betray bigotry
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> holy consonance, Batman!
> it is consonance isn't it, where a line has the
> same letter for each word? I don't remember my high school
> English classes that well. If its not consonance, then
> I feel stupid that the whole point of the message is screwed
> up. :( oh well - you get the point.
You almost had it--and that's a good call. I wasn't paying much
attention when I typed, except for that little fumble in the printing on
the CD sleeve. This technique is called alliteration to poets. Edgar
Allan Poe was quite fond of it in "The Raven." Consonance is similar,
too--it involves words that have the same sound in consonants but *not*
vowels in the same line--and these are *usually* at the *end* of a word,
while alliteration involves the beginning letters of the word.
In the same mailing, Mike Bahr <garion@indirect.com>, wrote:
> It's a blessing in disguise. Now they have made Primetime longer
> and put more "just videos" hours in during the day, since the
> cancellation of some of their lamer "shows". I find more and more rock
> within them now that HBB is gone. Besides, HBB was getting to the point
> where it was just a synposis of the day's dose of Offspring and NIN.
>
> Last night on MTV-normal (ordinary video time) they played
> Queensryche (Bridge), VH (DTMWLCD), Danzig (Cantspeak), Megadeth (Train),
> and, surprise surprise, Lie. All of this mixed in with the usual HEAVY
> exposure to Live, Offspring, STP, Soundgarden, and then all of the shit
> rap and pop groups.
I read that a few of the ranks here have seen *more* than one Fates
Warning video on HBB and MTV--and I'm glad they actually did play them
once. In all my years, I've only seen "Pull Me Under," "Point of View,"
and "Lie" on MTV. Back when "Parallels" came out, I can remember "Point
of View" being played *extensively* for a span of perhaps two weeks--but
then nothing.
While on the subject of Bruce Dickinson possibly joining DT on an old
'Maiden cover tune, I'd like to recommend Bruce's latest solo effort to my
fellow Ytsejam members. I find the album very interesting--and I enjoy
the work of guitarist Roy Z.--who is in the LA-based band Tribe of
Gypsies. Members of Tribe of Gypsies back up Bruce on this album--"Balls
to Picasso" (on the Mercury label BTW, in case anyone's searching for it).
IMHO Tribe is a very interesting and diverse band with some genuine Latin
influences, but still very heavy. On an interesting note to anyone who
owns the Dickinson album, check out the guitar solo on "Tears of the
Dragon"--which was played with *all of three finger on the left hand*--Roy
cut his left pinky down to the bone the day before he was scheduled to
record--and he's truly a *ten-fingered* guitarist. He went all out for
*feel* on that lead. I hope to see a Tribe of Gypsies album within the
next year and a half.
Best,
Perry M. Grayson
hbjou001@huey.csun.edu
perryg@pro-palmtree.cts.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:09:12 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: shifts
Message-ID: <199501282209.PAA27406@bud.indirect.com>
> Furthermore, in The Mirror you will find parts of the other four
> songs that follow it, and in Lifting Shadows off a Dream they pull in
> some brief bits from the early part of the album as well...
>
> PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ!
> PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ!
>
> Other DT Fans like me who are to stupid to hear those things that
> clearly (can only make out CiaW on Erotomania) (ok, maybe its a bit
> lazyness as well....) would be really happy to have a bit more hints on
> where in erotomania you can find a melody from which song......
Okay, but is there anyone out there who could do the time listing
for me? My inferior disc player dosen't show the time. The most obvious
part of Erotomania is in the middle from the Silent Man.
First a few measures of Kev playing piano that mimics the lyrics...
"when there is reason, tonight im awake, when theres no answer, arrive tsm"
Then Petrucci makes it VERY obvious by playing that same sequence on his
guitar (now remember in TSM, James is SINGING these notes)
"if there is balance... tonight hes awake,
if they have to suffer, there lies the silent man"
Then Petrucci does a downward scale that sounds RAELLY cool and then he
plays on the guitar Kevin's "violin" part from the solo:
daaaaaahh dah duh dooooooooo DAAH dah DI-DI-DAAAA! da-da-DAAAA! dah dah dah
(etc) and then it goes into the "I....caught in a web.... numb from the
world!" melody in Erotomania.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:11:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Concert tickets
Message-ID: <199501282211.PAA27535@bud.indirect.com>
> URGENT!!! URGENT!!!
>
> Listen carefully. I have 2 tickets to the covers gig in London on Tuesday, but
> it doesn't look like I can make it down to London. I want to keep one of the
> tickets, just in case I can make it, but I'm offering the other to YJammers
> in London or South-East England who can make it to London by 5pm on Tuesday at
> VERY short notice.
>
> If you want it, send me personal email *NOW* giving your name and postal
> address. I'll send it first-class ASAP. You may not get it in time, but at
> least I tried! :)
EVERYONE!!!! Everyone who's going to the covers gig!!!
BUY A STEREO RECORDING WALKMAN!!!!! You can return it the day
after the gig, we don't care, but you MUST tape this for DT fanatics
everywhere. If I weren't 5000 miles away with no tickets, I'd do it
myself. Any reviews posted that don't include information on how to get a
copy of the show on tape will be cursed and reviled. :)
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 17:39:24 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Magellan
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950128173740.26856A-100000@iglou>
On Sat, 28 Jan 1995 Godsize@aol.com wrote:
> We probably just have different tastes. I listen to Pantera because they
> hold nothing back musically or lyrically. They just totally rock. They also
> have awesome lyrics. And I know that they aren't as musically complex as DT
> but they are still very tight and hve talent.
> You have not lived until you see Pantera live. Granted I don't like them as
> much as Rush and DT but quite simply Pantera just kicks ass!
>
> Trey
>
>
I've always liked their music, I just have an impossibly hard time
listening to the vocals. That's the case for me with many ultra-hard
metal bands. If Pantera ever made an instrumental album, or got a
different singer, I'd probably buy it.
The intensity you speak of is what draws me to Bad Religion. The great
thing about them is that they have _very_ intelligent lyrics, a big plus
to me. I'd recommend them to any DT fan.
James
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 17:40:56 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded
Message-ID: <199501282340.RAA03981@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
> >
> > I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater song.
> > I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the
> > least good?
> >
> i think innocence faded is their worst song.
>
> one of the reasons is that part you thought sounds like jefferson
> airplane...'beginnings get complicated...', i _hate_ that part!
Well... no matter how bad that part may be (I don't have a problem with
it) the instrumental at the end (the last 2 minutes) makes up for the
whole entire album! That's one of the best moments on Awake!
Now.... on to other things.
Who is the youngest? I am 16... can anyone beat me?
Now.... on to other things. :)
While John Petrucci's intense, fast playing is always so awesome, I have
also found bands that are more subtle can be just as satisifying. One of
these bands is Fates Warning. Inside Out is an great album, I really like
the last three songs on the album. Also Awaken the Guardian is an AWESOME
album. Every Ytsejamer needs to get this album. It's not as progressive
as Inside Out is, but it's just so intense and powerful you can't turn it
down. Not as mellow as their new stuff. Plus, it has the best album cover
I've ever seen. Those who have this CD know what I'm talking about, this
cover kicks ass.
Now... another band that I have discovered recently like this is Genesis.
Now i'm not talking about the commertial 45-minute drivel-cds the group
has put out in the last few years, but the OLD stuff they've done. I got
_And the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ for Christmas along with a lot of
other progressive cds (such as Close to the Edge, Thick as a Brick, and
Discipline, Tarkus, all four great CDs.) Now, when I listened to the
Genesis CD at first I though, hey, where's all the complex playing, the 15
minute instrumentals, the odd meter changes? And so I primarily listened
to the other progressive CDs I got.
But just recently I've been listening to Lamb a LOT more... in fact, I
can only find one "song" on this CD I don't like and that really isn't a
song, its actually a bunch of noises that they try to call a song. (Its
also 5 damn minutes, but what the hell, the rest of the songs are all
great.) Anyway, this cd contains some of the best song writing I've ever
heard. It's ridiculously complex even too! Well... some of it is at
least. You've never heard a real keyboard solo until you've heard "Riding
the Scree." And the lyrics are great. Its a 2CD concept album about
God-knows-what, but it cool whatever it is. And the singing is some of
the best I've heard. But the thing that blows me away about this CD is
how they can take complex music and make it sound so beautiful. "In the
Rapids" is has such emotional, beautiful playing, mixing piano, bass, synth
drums and singing. I don't think songwriting gets any better than this.
And I enjoy ALL of the songs on the CD! The production is so great that
it sounds like it was made yesterday, not back in 1974. Powerful bass,
crystal clear singing, deep powerful piano. This CD has it all... Can
anyone else comment on this CD? And if you don't already have it, GET
THIS CD... It's not mellow as I first thought it to be, it can sometimes
be almost scary in the way they play the songs, and at other things
simplistic and beautiful.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:14:11 -0600 (CST)
From: William Wright <wwright@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Youngest Y'jammer
Message-ID: <199501290014.SAA04505@galaxy.galstar.com>
>
>
> Well, I'm 16 and have been a fan since right after
> I&W came out. ('92)
Well... we're both 16. Anyone younger, or should we both start comparing
birthdays to find out who's younger?
either way Beth has me beat in terms of how long she's been listening to
DT... I started with IAW about 7 months ago. (And no, not because I heard
Pull me Under on MTV or the radio, but because I heard Ytsejam at a
friends house.)
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:48:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Boot sources...
Message-ID: <199501290048.TAA14940@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
For those of you interested in boot sources, the best place to look is
on my sources web page... Goto the URL below, and replace home.html
with sources.html It includes a LONG list of places throughout the
country, as well as a few places to order over the net...
Keep in mind, I have not had experience with ANY of the places listed
except for Second Coming Records in Boston...
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Let's go PENS!!! |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:11:36 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: fates stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501282001.A28259-0100000@barney>
On Fri, 27 Jan 1995, Stephen Bajzek wrote:
> Excerpts from mail: 26-Jan-95 Re: YTSEJAM digest 660 by "Dan
Tshin"@io.org > > BTW, did anyone else see Fates on the first leg of the
tour, before > they were opening for Dream Theater, when they closed with
Guardian? > Wasn't that awesome? > YES! I caught them at the Roxy, in
Long Island, on 10/5. Overall the show was good, but I went to the show
with a bunch of friends who gave up on them after No Exit, so their vibe
kinda put a damper on my enjoying the show. However, the Guardian
encore clinched it for all of us :) I only wish that they played more
older stuff (they stuck exclusively to the last three albums) but hey,
you can't have everything.
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:11:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Mark Tedhams <markt@gn2.getnet.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Youngest Yjammer
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.90.950128180931.22020A-100000@gn2.getnet.com>
Hey...I'm 15 is there anyone younger...been a fan since I&W.bye.
- Mr.T
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:08:03 -0500
From: esa2@cornell.edu (Mr. Phat)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Assorted DT Content
Message-ID: <v02110100ab5046133cd7@[132.236.102.26]>
What's up everyone?
Look, I'm sorry I forgot to include all the females in my last post's
intro. Please, could you women quite hassling me already? So tell me what
you like better: Dear Jammers and Jammetes, or Dear SIBLINGS of DT?
All others who really don't give two shits about the above but are now
pissed at me for writing it, another "I'm sorry" goes out to you. I can't
win.
Just had a few things on my mind from this week:
>If Rush and DT came out with a new album on the same day and you
only had
> enough money for one, which one would you get and why?
Simple, hook up with someone who'll buy them for me. (I can feel the hate
mail already). Actually, I'd buy the DT first because I'm not into
Rush....YET.
>But Pantera? I just don't see the appeal. It's
>just another loud death band, you know? They couldn't write a song
like
>"LTL" or "Surrounded" if their lives depended on it, and even if they
>did, they certainly couldn't _sing_ it!?! What gives?
I think they do have a lighter "easy listening" accoustical. I forget the
name - I'm suprised because Q104 in NYC plays the hell out of it. Anyway,
I have to agree with you though in that they could never even come remotely
close to the coolness of DT. Um, just thought I'd throw in the following
clearly related fact if anyone is interested. Type-o-Negative and Pantera
are going to be playing in Utica NY on Feb. 26. Anyone near Ithaca NY
interested? I could use a size 15 boot stomping on my face! Oh, and my
arms have been attached for quite too long now...
> The solo on the Live in Tokyo video, after "To Live Forever" is called
> "Barfbag"...
etc., etc., etc.
Does anyone know *for sure* the "official" set list for the LitS boot? It
would really be appreciated
> I was wondering what you guys thought was the worst Dream Theater
song.
> I know all their songs are good, but which ones do you think are the
> least good?
Um....any song involved with Charlie Dominichi. Easy enough. But not
including Dom.:
>Of the three studio albums' worth of material, the worst song
>imho would have to be either Afterlife or Innocence Faded.
Ouch! Dude, man, that hurts. I can't believe you don't like Afterlife! I
love it (but only with LaBrie, of course). And Innocence Faded too?!
Damn, I feel like I'm trying to convince someone that DT is cool. I'm sure
you're all familiar with that feeling. I'm going to refrain from answering
"the worst song" question because it's like trying to decide who is your
least favorite son or daughter. Actually, that would be easier because
there are more songs. I don't have any children yet (knock on wood,
please...a few more times!) but I'm sure I can imagine.
Last thing (sorry for length): Does anyone have the address for the
internet music store, cd.now or something. A friend of mine here would
like to order WDADU. Thanks.
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esa2@cornell.edu
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:53:25 +22305458 (CST)
From: rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: who's youngest?
Message-ID: <9501290153.AA16848@stu.beloit.edu>
>
> Well I've heard the talk about who is the oldest person on the Yjam
> mailing digest but I'd like to know who's the youngest...anyone?bye.
>
> - Mr.T
>
Well, I'm probably not the youngest, but close. I'm 19 -- got into DT at
16/17ish...
Stacie
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:55:22 +22305458 (CST)
From: rosenzwe@stu.beloit.edu (Stacie Rosenzweig)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Least Favorite DT Songs
Message-ID: <9501290155.AA27889@stu.beloit.edu>
Innocence Faded.
Hands down.
Stacie
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:05:12 -0500
From: SRVRIP@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: All sorts of stuff!!!!!
Message-ID: <950128220511_3073904@aol.com>
For some reason I spaced on reading the jam for about
two weeks and I just spent the majority of a Saturday
afternoon reading #654 through present. OK I've got alot
to say some DT content some not, So here goes,
1. Attn William Kriski; You were looking for instrumental
guitar stuff in a jazz theme? I think? Check out Alex
DeGrassi on the Windham hill label. Incredible feeling
in his playing. Metheny is coming to my area in Feb.
I've never seen him live, I've never seen any jazz live,
so I don't know what to expect, but I think I'll enjoy it.
2. Attn Richard Grayson; In your review of DT you stated
that JP played a custom 7 string guitar, although I'm
sure his guitar has been customized (most guitar players
are) you can buy 7 string guitars in stores i.e. Ibanez and
Steve Vai was the first that I know of to really bring
attention to it. Just wondered if you knew cause it sort of
came accross that JP was the only person to play a 7
string before.
3. On Mon Jan 23rd Atsushi Kawami wrote about his Valley
Arts guitar, Valley Arts I think are based in LA and are a
very top of the line guitar that used to about 3 or 4 years
ago demand a starting price of I think $1,100 US dollars.
I don't know if they are still around but they are a small
company so thats probably why JP acted like he hadn't
heard of them, But you have got a very nice guitar!!!!!!!
4. 1-25-95 Jeremy Haynes wrote about "sell outs" like Bon Jovi,
Aerosmith, Kiss, Michael Bolton etc. First of all what makes
these bands sell outs? From listening to Kiss and Bon Jovi
since they first came out neither of these groups have changed
there musical styles to the point of "selling out" that is just the
style of music they choose to write. If anything Kiss has shined
away from being "mainstream" or "a sell out". Listen to 'Revenge'
it is the hardest album Kiss has ever put out. Although they did
follow trend in the late '70's and the disco thing but I would
definitely not consider them a sellout. Sellouts would be Metallica,
Green Day, Offspring, Pantera, Stryper. These bands have
mellowed their style or changed drastically one way or
another to become more popu$lar. And one more thing, I
don't know if you play guitar or write lyrics, but it is a hell of
alot harder to write a #1 "Bon Jovi" type song than not to.
5. Attn James Becker; You wrote that the Mirror was your least
favorite song I am curious as to why? This "worst song" stuff
is gonna get ugly. The song I dislike the most from DT is *gulp*
"Surrounded" only because of that one part "Light to dark, dark
to Light, Light....." it sounds so $%^#$%^ stupid. One jammers
opinion. Oh one more thing James, you said Pantera couldn't
write songs like "Surrounded" and "LtL" try to find some of their
Hairspray mainstream stuff before they turned hardcore, they
had some really good stuff back then. (I hate pantera now just
so you know).
That is all sorry for the length.
John
SRVRIP@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:06:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake album promos
Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9501282219.A13672-9100000@bdmserver>
Well, if you went to the Baltimore show and waited around afterwards
you could get one of these for free and signed by the band.
Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com
"Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater
"That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:51:49 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bako <jbako01@barney.poly.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: misc. reply
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501282013.A29429-0100000@barney>
Re: Violins-
About Dixie Dregs, Jerry Goodman is the man in question. Someone here
mentioned John Mclaughlin, so the two of them pointed me toward
Mahavishnu Orchestra. I picked up their live album Between Nothingness
and Eternity. Major intensity throughout the disc, with 40+minutes of
jazz fusion excitement. Jan Hammer (of Miami Vice fame) is also featured
prominently in this record, even though it is Mglaughlin who leads the way.
Believer (RIP) also features a violin, cello and soprano in one song off
each of their last two albums: Dies Irae (from Sanity Obscure) and
Trilogy of Knowledge (Dimensions). Some jammers might not like them too
much since they're a thrash band, and their vocals are definitely an
acquired taste. The string arrangements are not over the top progressive,
but are done very tastefully and flow with the heaviness of the band.
Re: Worst DT song.
I could see why some don't like IF. I think the end jam section does save
the tune, and I only wish that it could've been longer. CiaW's middle
section, while subtler than Metropolis', is just as difficult to play.
As far as my pick for worst DT song, if anything, I'd say LSOAD simply as
a matter of personal taste. I don't see anything special there except for
JP's guitar work during the verses (listen closely) and the middle
instrumental section. Also, it seems that the only time I get to
concentrate on the music I listen to, is on the subway on the way to/from
school or work, so for me, the quieter stuff gets skipped 'cause it's
difficult to hear in those conditions, like Another Day, Voices/TSM,
and Surrounded.
Re: Production.
The I&W snare sound was (I think) discussed here previously, and (correct
me if i'm wrong) it was triggered. While the drumming might be just a teeny
bit less intricate on Awake, it sounds a hell of a lot better, more
realistic.
As a keyboard player, I really enjoyed the complex interplay between KM &
JP on I&W (damn those abbreviations). It's still there in Awake, and the
problem is not in the mix. Moore tended to use 'dirty-sounding' samples
this time around, and it blends almost completely with the guitars.
Listen to CiaW with headphones, keys-left, guitars-right, it's all there.
My only guess to why it came out this way is that Kevin's heart just
wasn't totally into the band by the time recording started, so he limited
his presence, I personally don't believe that it was a matter of making
himself easier to replace.
That's enough for now, later
James Bako
jbako01@barney.poly.edu
Polytechnic University
Brooklyn, New York
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 20:56:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 670
Message-ID: <199501290256.UAA07009@galaxy.galstar.com>
> album list and bootleg list. you shhould hear mastermind and black
> jester... incredible bands in the same vein as DT. mastermind's
> drummer is absolutely incredible, as is the guitarist (who does synth
> guitar stuff too... very well done). mastermind is like, ELP using
> electric guitar and guitar synth, with a real singer and good lyrics,
> better songwriting ability, and an incredible drummer, all mixed with
> dream theater. black jester is a neoclassical metal band, kinda like
> wdadu or early yngwie and they're very exciting... very cool
Where can I get these? Black Jester sounds particularly appealing. WDADU
is my favorite CD of all time, also my fav DT cd...
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:42:01 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Magellan
Message-ID: <Qj_ZStS00YUx43LtB=@andrew.cmu.edu>
James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com> writes:
> just another loud death band, you know? They couldn't write a song like
pantera are not death metal. death metal bands tend to be more
artistic than pantera and pantera are not even close in sound. maybe
you should borrow death's "individual thought patterns". serious
musicianship, good songs, blows pantera away.
> "LTL" or "Surrounded" if their lives depended on it, and even if they
> did, they certainly couldn't _sing_ it!?! What gives?
pantera wouldn't want to because it doesn't fit their image
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 23:15:35 -0500
From: <laferrie@grumpy.usmcs.maine.edu> (Kevin R Laferriere)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: I&W vs. Awake
Message-ID: <9501290415.AA04760@grumpy.usmcs.maine.edu>
IMHO, Awake is much better than I&W. IMHO, I&W is too "light", and
Awake is definetly dark. Scarred is my favorite track, it sends chills
down my spine. I love Caught In A Web, and innocence faded.
I think it's hard to compare albums. Look at Queensryche. You never
know what to expect. They are very diverse, and DT shows in Awake that
they are too.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:50:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeff Stewart <jstewart@sparc.isl.net>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Drums on I&W
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.950128224119.8225A-100000@sparc.isl.net>
The snare sound is so full on I&W because it was triggered. A trigger is
basically a device that picks up the sound of the drum when it is hit and
processes it digitally into a computer or MIDI interface. From there
they can do whatever they want to that sound. I personally can't stand
that sound but that's just me. I love I&W and the drumming on it, don't
get me wrong there, but the snare sounds so unnatural. I'm a big fan of
accoustic drums sounding the way they're naturally meant to and
apparently Portnoy is too. He said in an interview with Modern Drummer
magazine (I forget the month of the issue but if you want it I can find
it for you) that the decision to put the trigger on there was made by the
producer and not himself. He says he didn't like it because it took out
many of the ghost notes and such that he played on that album but there
was nothing he could say about it at the time. I personally love the
accoustic sound on Awake. To me I&W sounds a hell of a lot more
mechanical drumwise than Awake does and the overall sound of Awake just
blows me away. I&W could've been that much better had they left the
trigger off the snare drum because you would be able to hear the little
things...but that's just my opinion so no flames please.
On a side note, I would like to know what the best quality Dream Theater
boot available is, I need to start my boot collection.
Thanks a lot
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:25:08 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Marillion/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH
Message-ID: <9501290625.AA24774@anthor.arastar.com>
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From: d.sherman4@genie.geis.com
Subject: Marillo/DreamThetr NEWS FLASH
For those in the UK really...
I just got off the phone with some guy that claimed to be Steve Rothery.
Apparantly Dream Theater is playing a concert in London on Tuesday, some
kind of special gig where they are going to play cover songs from bands that
influenced them. They have invited some of the musicians there and one of
them is Steve, who will be joining them on stage to play 'Warm Wet Circles.'
Of course Steve had a lot of interesting news from the Marillion camp which
I am in the process of transcribing for the next issue of The Web USA, but I
wanted to post this right away because it is happening in 3 days.
Take care and stand straight, Dan S +| dps |+
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:46:51 +0800
From: kbibb@arastar.com (Ken Bibb)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Missing Ytsejams
Message-ID: <9501290646.AA24913@anthor.arastar.com>
> From: JennieBear@aol.com
>
> Could some kind soul tell me which issue my post was in?
It was issue #664.
> And could
> the powers-that-be refresh me on how to obtain back issues again?
To retrieve issue (for example) 664, you would send:
get ytsejam ytsejam.664
to ytsejam-request@arastar.com with a blank subject line (or asdf as
the subject). To get the index, send:
index ytsejam
to the same address with the same blank (or asdf) subject line.
--
Ken Bibb "Upon a wave of summer
kbibb@arastar.com A hilltop paved with gold
jester@crash.cts.com We shut our eyes and make the promises we hold"
David Sylvian--"Wave"
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:47:39 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Pantera bashing
Message-ID: <199501290647.WAA14888@netcom8.netcom.com>
Pantera was much better back in the 80's...
-The Doc
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