YTSEJAM Digest 670
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I&W vs Awake
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
2) Concert tickets
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
3) Re: Myung on "A Kick Into A Dream"
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
4) Re: least favorite song...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
5) Covers concert
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
6) A Kick Into A Dream
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
7) Re: Any lyricists out there?
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
8) Worst song
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
9) shifts
by freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
10) Re: Engineers rule!!
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
11) Re: NON DT - Extreme
by HEADSTRONG <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 668
by Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
13) Re: Pantera bashing
by Robert J Weychert Jr <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
14) Interest Survey
by TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS <LODGE_TIM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
15) FW good/bad ?
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
16) If Rush and DT on same day
by Godsize@aol.com
17) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
by Godsize@aol.com
18) WDADU songlist
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
19) Re: Magellan
by Godsize@aol.com
20) Re: A Kick Into A Dream
by Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
21) Re: Myung on "A Kick Into A Dream"
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
22) Youngest Y'jammer
by toaster@glia.biostr.washington.edu
23) Covers Gig (spoilers)
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
24) Boots?
by Michael.R.Johander@lawrence.edu
25) Re: Pantera bashing
by James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
26) Awake Promo/DT Drummer's poll/FW
by ahlberg@students.wisc.edu (StupidHead)
27) Re: Magellan
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:26:14 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: I&W vs Awake
Message-ID: <Qj_ZE6G00YUxI3Lpsq@andrew.cmu.edu>
Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu> writes:
> And this is what I seem to have noticed:
> There is a fullness to IandW which I cannot penetrate, and which
> I cannot find on Awake. In other words, when I first played Awake after
> my rebirth into IandW, there seemed to be holes in it, empty space which,
> though not large, were certainly disconcerting.
yeah, i'm noticing that too, awake is kinda boring compared to I&W.
awake is too divided... scarred could be incredible if they didnt
repeat the damn chorus at the end then go to the outro... its so
anticlimactic. ambi is ok, i dont have any problems with it. innocence
faded is excellent, and 6:00 is fine. ciaw is too sectioned and
predictable. the solo thing is cool but not enough to save it. lsoad
is becoming my favorite song off the album for the mood. but i think
the solo section thing is out of place. i like it but just going
straight into it doesn't work for me, they should've built into it a
bit. cant find any problems with SDV. the mirror/lie is great except
the solo at the end of lie is too quiet. it would have a lot more
power if the band were louder. come to think of it, voices is like
that too... when john starts his solo the band seems to get very quiet
because his huge guitar isn't there.
> been done to it is not. The heaviness drowns out much of the more subtle
> sounds -- mainly keys -- that were present in IandW; also, the fun
the heaviness doesn't drown out the keys, the production does. the
keys were mixed in quieter. i still think kevin wanted it that way to
hmake him more replacable. the next album, with a steady keyboardist,
should be awesome.
> doubling of key and guitar is not used as much -- that always seems to be
> a highlight of a song.
caught in a web, scarred, lsoad and innocence faded (a bit) do it but
the keys are mixed back. and on if they sound a lot like a guitar
> And by the way, I do not say that I dislike Awake; I merely cannot like
> it as much as Images and Words, an album that will, for me, always be
> number one in my collexion.
yep... except for the number one thing....
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 12:24:07 GMT
From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Concert tickets
Message-ID: <9501281224.AA12165@weddell.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
URGENT!!! URGENT!!!
Listen carefully. I have 2 tickets to the covers gig in London on Tuesday, but
it doesn't look like I can make it down to London. I want to keep one of the
tickets, just in case I can make it, but I'm offering the other to YJammers
in London or South-East England who can make it to London by 5pm on Tuesday at
VERY short notice.
If you want it, send me personal email *NOW* giving your name and postal
address. I'll send it first-class ASAP. You may not get it in time, but at
least I tried! :)
First-come-first-served.
Graham B.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 09:30:18 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Myung on "A Kick Into A Dream"
Message-ID: <Aj_ZHuu00YUx83LqVz@andrew.cmu.edu>
what's on the cd, and where's it from? i'm kinda getting back into
trading nowadays but i cant afford to buy any cds for a long time...
interested in trading for anything? you can check my web page for my
album list and bootleg list. you shhould hear mastermind and black
jester... incredible bands in the same vein as DT. mastermind's
drummer is absolutely incredible, as is the guitarist (who does synth
guitar stuff too... very well done). mastermind is like, ELP using
electric guitar and guitar synth, with a real singer and good lyrics,
better songwriting ability, and an incredible drummer, all mixed with
dream theater. black jester is a neoclassical metal band, kinda like
wdadu or early yngwie and they're very exciting... very cool
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 10:06:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: Re: least favorite song...
Message-ID: <199501281506.KAA12769@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
I would have to say that Lie is my least favorite DT song... It just
doesn't fit into their other music... I skip Lie about half of the
time when listening to Awake... Anyway, that's my opinion...
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Let's go PENS!!! |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 15:13:23 GMT
From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Covers concert
Message-ID: <9501281513.AA00715@annenkov.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Just me again guys . . . .
This is an exact quote from the letter I got when they sent me my tickets to the
covers concert:
"Some of the special guests who have confirmed that they will be
appearing include: Steve Howe, Rick Wakeman, Glen Tipton, Steve
Rothery, and Barney (Napalm Death).
The show is also being recorded, and may possibly be used at a
later date for either a mini-album or extra tracks on future
singles."
Sounds like it should be awesome!
Take care :)
Graham B.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 10:14:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER)
Subject: A Kick Into A Dream
Message-ID: <199501281514.KAA12786@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
Well, I found A Kick Into A Dream yesterday... It is, as mentioned
before, from the Manhattan Center show. I'd give it at most B
quality... possibly lower... It can't compare to DoE, LitS, or any
of the FM shows... The sound is not bad, but sometimes
inconsistant... James seems to fade out every so often, as do some of
the other guys every so often...
The packaging is pretty cool... It has individual picturse of James,
Myung, Petrucci, and Mike on the front and individual ones inside the
jacket. It also has a group (just the 4 of them) inside, with the 4
of them mentioned as the bamd, followed by: "Keyboardist Kevin Moore
left the "Dream Theater" a few weeks ago right after the finishing
touches to "Awake" album. Good Luck to you Kevin!!! Provisional
replacement (only?) for the present gig: Mr. Derek Shuranian -
keyboards" I think that that is pretty cool that the liner was
correct (except in the spellin, I think). It also lists Lie as Lies,
but that is the only mistake, including getting TOWHTSTS correct. As
mentioned before, it is a Metal Crash/Why Not? CD.
My only real problem is that I got a bad disc, and have to call the
shop up... In the middle of TTT, there is a glitch that makes the CD
skip a few times for a 10-15 sec period... :( But I should be able
to get another one... I hope that they have another copy now, and I
dont have to wait for another one to come in (I have been waiting for
this one for about 1.5 weeks to show up...)
--
+--------------------------------+---------------+---------------------+
| I never bared my emotions | Dream Theater | Michael Burstin |
| My passion always strong | Scarred | Brandeis University |
| I never lost my devotion |-----Awake-----+---------------------+
| but somewhere fate went wrong. | Let's go PENS!!! |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 10:18:56 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Any lyricists out there?
Message-ID: <199501281518.KAA00367@g222-15.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
> Hello DT Sisters (oops and Brothers, I guess). I was wondering
>if there are any lyricists on this krazy list?
Certainly. Myself included ;)
If you're interested in discussion, my address is above.
Take care,
Dom'ny
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 15:26:02 GMT
From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Worst song
Message-ID: <9501281526.AA00742@annenkov.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
My third post of the day . . . sorry everyone :-)
Dream Theater has lots of songs I don't like. The guitar intro to "Under A
Glass Moon" annoys the hell out of me.
All of "Learning to Live" (apart from that nice quiet acoustic bit in the
middle) annoys me. Yeah, I know it has wonderful deep meaningful lyrics, but
the music makes me cringe every time.
I am bored to death with "Bombay Vindaloo". "Caught in a Web" simply fails to
excite me or hold my attention.
But on the other hand, there are so many DT songs which blow me away! The best
ones are "Surrounded", "Pull Me Under", "Metropolis", "6:00", "Voices", and
"Space Dye Vest".
IMHO.
Graham B.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 16:31:14 MET
From: freak@cube.net (Alex Reinelt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: shifts
Message-ID: <m0rYF7L-00012tC@cubnt1.cube.net>
From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
***********
Heck, Erotomania incorporates so many themes and melodies from
DT's other songs, it would REALLY surprise you. I have personally found
(but am far too lazy to catalog with time frames) parts of:
(many songs....)
Furthermore, in The Mirror you will find parts of the other four
songs that follow it, and in Lifting Shadows off a Dream they pull in
some brief bits from the early part of the album as well...
***********
PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ!
PUT THESE THINGS ON THE FAQ!
Other DT Fans like me who are to stupid to hear those things that
clearly (can only make out CiaW on Erotomania) (ok, maybe its a bit
lazyness as well....) would be really happy to have a bit more hints on
where in erotomania you can find a melody from which song......
Please check it out and put in the faq...
bye, Freak
( Alexander Reinelt from Munich/Germany - freakmarked since 1987
) freak@cube.net Alex_Reinelt@2:2480/66
( fax:(++ 49 89) 689 18 71 voice:(++ 49 89) 68 33 40
) "Belief will always save me" (Dream Theater - "Scarred")
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 10:40:39 -0500
From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Engineers rule!!
Message-ID: <199501281540.KAA00373@g222-15.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>Kudos to all the engineers out there who are DT fanatics! I was also
>wondering how many of you engineers really wanted to be music majors,
>but decided to become engineers for money, and hoped to still have a
>band on the side (like me).
gee.... we wouldn't do that, would we? ;)
seriously, I would have liked to go into music, but definitely
an oversaturated market for it, and I didn't spend any time
in band, either. Felt chances of getting into an arts
college with little proven experience in composition (what
I am into) were definitely low.
As for maintaining a band, I work with MIDI anytime I get the
chance. ;)
>Figures I picked an engineering school in the middle of nowhere,
>so everytime a gig rolls around, I'm too damn far
>away!! Time to transfer . . . . .BOSTON!!!
Preach on, Brother! Rose is stuck in nowheresville.
Dom'ny
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: HEADSTRONG <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: NON DT - Extreme
Message-ID: <01HMDLOZXTR68X3DT8@acs.wooster.edu>
Hey James! Tell me about your Extreme live rercordings!
SLAY
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:42:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Alex Lifeson <TRMD@grove.iup.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 668
Message-ID: <01HMDN3NI3EW8Y5ZWW@grove.iup.edu>
Hey, can anyone hook me up with a cd of the Majesty demos, I think
it's a bootleg. Also, where are the dub sites going to be located for Kevin
Moore's demos? I REALLY have to get my hands on one of those!!! Thanks
Alex
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:47:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert J Weychert Jr <weyc9212@kutztown.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Pantera bashing
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501281113.A8921-0100000@atlantic>
> Am I the only person in the world who likes prog-rock, loves DT, FW,
> Gentle Giant and the like, then gets on the net and hears of people
> loving Pantera?
Oh, boy...
> I just don't see the appeal. It's just another loud death band, you
> know? They couldn't write a song like "LTL" or "Surrounded" if their
> lives depended on it, and even if they did, they certainly couldn't
> _sing_ it!?! What gives?
Well, ordinarily I'd be the last one to be breathing flames,
especially on this list, but you seem quite worthy. Did you ever hear of
a little thing called _diversity_? It's true; there ARE people in this
world who can find something to appreciate in more than just ONE genre of
music...you sound just like my next door neighbor (whose listening range
consists solely of Pantera, Biohazard, Sepultura, etc.) who can't
understand how I can go from Ministry to Bach to GWAR to Dream Theater to
Slayer to Maynard Ferguson to Bad Brains to Van Halen to S.O.D. No,
Pantera probably WOULDN'T (I doubt if they couldn't) write a song like "LTL"
or "Surrounded", but I don't think DT would write a song like "No Good
(Attack the Radical)" or "Live in a Hole"; you know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE 2
COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BANDS!!! That comment was among the more musically
ignorant I've seen. There's room for much more in this world than JUST
prog, and if that's all you see as worthy of your ears, you're missing a
LOT. As for them being "another loud death band", you could at least do
a little research before making such comments. First of all, if Pantera
were to be pigeon-holed, they would fit into the "thrash" category;
"death metal" would not suit them because they don't write the same kind
of lyrics or music that "death metal" bands do. They're also quite a bit
more musically competent than you probably took any time to see.
I don't happen to care for Fates Warning, but you don't see me
coming in here lambasting those who do just because _I_DON'T_GET_IT_.
It's really rather simple: people have different tastes and opinions, and
an opinion is NOT something that's right or wrong, even yours. Now that
I think about it, "Live in a Hole" sounds like you:
"Live in a hole, but stay close to my kind
because they understand what burns in my mind"
--Rob
P.S.--BTW, you might be interested to know that part of Mike Portnoy's drum
solo on the I&W tour (as featured on the "Live in Tokyo" video) is taken
from a Pantera song...
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:20:23 -0500 (EST)
From: TIM LODGE SGA/PRE-LAW/MICRO/MAC LABS <LODGE_TIM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Interest Survey
Message-ID: <950128122023.20a622b2@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
Hello,
I am taking a survey for a friend who knows that great vocalist
Charlie Dominicci. Apparently, Dominicci has a demo with a new band
that he is trying to get signed to a label. Here's my question...
if this demo were ever pressed to a cd, would there be any interest
within this mailing list? I have no idea what type of music it is or
anything... please send all replies to me via email.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 18:41:35 +0100
From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: FW good/bad ?
Message-ID: <m0rYH32-0000E1C@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi there
Please stop the fighting about whether FW is good or not.
I think we will have to accept that we dont have exactly the same taste
about everything, (thank God).
Do you remember some weeks ago when we discussed why other people didn't
like DT, and how stupid they must be, and how revolting MainStreamMusic is
?
I think the same thing is coming up now with FW.
Some music takes time to get into, and some will never be YOUR sort of music.
Just don't kill anyone for it.
I havent really got into FW yet, though I have only listened to them
briefly some times. They havent made that impression on me yet, perhaps
after the Stockholm-show. I do REALLY look forward to that...
OBS!
Nytt mobilnummer ( 070-814 24 38 ) fr o m januari
det gamla ( 070-719 89 64 ) ga:ller t o m februari.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater
Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson
461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D
0520-155 98 070-719 89 64 & 070-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:22:30 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: If Rush and DT on same day
Message-ID: <950128132229_2530905@aol.com>
I would buy the Rush album and let my best friend buy DT and then make a copy
of his DT album!
trey
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:54:54 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded
Message-ID: <950128125453_2499860@aol.com>
I have 2 least favorite DT songs: The Silent Man and Wait For Sleep.
This is probably because it doesn't involve the whole band and they just
aren't as complex as the other songs.
PS I love Innocence Faded also
Trey
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 19:11:49 +0100
From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: WDADU songlist
Message-ID: <m0rYHWH-0000FkC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi again.
I was just listening on WDADU, when this thing stroke me.
Why is the songlist on the sleeve other than the playinglist.
On my LP(true) TOWHTSTS is written after OAMOT. Does anyone of you
wonderful people know why ?
Does it appear on the CD or the newer LPs too ?
It is really no big deal, but somehow strange.
Be good,
OBS!
Nytt mobilnummer ( 070-814 24 38 ) fr o m januari
det gamla ( 070-719 89 64 ) ga:ller t o m februari.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater
Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson
461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D
0520-155 98 070-719 89 64 & 070-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 13:15:55 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Magellan
Message-ID: <950128131555_2524434@aol.com>
We probably just have different tastes. I listen to Pantera because they
hold nothing back musically or lyrically. They just totally rock. They also
have awesome lyrics. And I know that they aren't as musically complex as DT
but they are still very tight and hve talent.
You have not lived until you see Pantera live. Granted I don't like them as
much as Rush and DT but quite simply Pantera just kicks ass!
Trey
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 11:56:41 PST
From: Jonathan Larkowski <larkows3@nes.nersc.gov>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: A Kick Into A Dream
Message-ID: <9501281956.AA64792@nes.nersc.gov>
PLEASE tell us where you can get this!!!
Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:27:08 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Myung on "A Kick Into A Dream"
Message-ID: <gj_deA600YUzM9z2p2@andrew.cmu.edu>
shit. i hate replying to people 's posts on ytsejam. sorry. that was
for mike burstin. dammit
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 11:47:45 -0800
From: toaster@glia.biostr.washington.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Youngest Y'jammer
Message-ID: <9501281947.AA25392@glia.biostr.washington.edu>
Well, I'm 16 and have been a fan since right after
I&W came out. ('92)
beth
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:57:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Covers Gig (spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950128145452.10492A-100000@oak.liii.com>
more covers gig spoilers
==========================================================================
I just picked up on the Freaks list that Steve Rothery of Marillion will
be joining DT for "Warm Wet Circles".
Is this the show of the decade or what?
Andy
=================================================
ANDREW KEEGAN (akeegan@liii.com)
"I am but a starling,
learning the currents of the air"
-Castanarc
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 14:01:24 -0600 (CST)
From: Michael.R.Johander@lawrence.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Boots?
Message-ID: <01HMDS5YOZZO9S3TD7@lawrence.edu>
Would someone please send me a list of good DT boots? My buddy has "DoE" and
it is great! I read something about one called "Kick into (a, the) Dream" and
that one sounds good too. There is a local record store that can order boots,
but I don't know any titles, other than the two I mentioned, to order. Plus,
I'm pretty new to the whole bootleg thing. Could someone help me out?
thanx!
Mike
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:10:44 -0500 (EST)
From: James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Pantera bashing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950128145536.1080A-100000@iglou>
> > I just don't see the appeal. It's just another loud death band, you
> > know? They couldn't write a song like "LTL" or "Surrounded" if their
> > lives depended on it, and even if they did, they certainly couldn't
> > _sing_ it!?! What gives?
>
> Well, ordinarily I'd be the last one to be breathing flames,
> especially on this list, but you seem quite worthy.
Hmm. It seems to me that there is more venom here than I ever dreamed
of. I asked a simple question, in a very open-minded vein. Fact is,
I've tried to appreciate Pantera, and there are similar bands that I
enjoy very much (Anacrusis comes to mind right away). My post was not in
any way "Pantera bashing", as you seem to think it was...rather, I was
appealing to a group of people who obviously share some views with me to
explain what to look for in their music.
Now, on to the ranting and raving...
Did you ever hear of
> a little thing called _diversity_? It's true; there ARE people in this
> world who can find something to appreciate in more than just ONE genre of
> music...you sound just like my next door neighbor (whose listening range
> consists solely of Pantera, Biohazard, Sepultura, etc.) who can't
> understand how I can go from Ministry to Bach to GWAR to Dream Theater to
> Slayer to Maynard Ferguson to Bad Brains to Van Halen to S.O.D.
Would you like to know what I am listening to right this minute? I'm
listening to Mandy Patinkin doing Broadway and jazz standards. When that
is over, I might put in Phish or Bach or Bad Religion or 24-7 Spyz. So
yes, I have heard of diversity...seems that it doesn't count unless I
list the same bands as you do, though, eh?
No,
> Pantera probably WOULDN'T (I doubt if they couldn't) write a song like "LTL"
> or "Surrounded", but I don't think DT would write a song like "No Good
> (Attack the Radical)" or "Live in a Hole"; you know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE 2
> COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BANDS!!! That comment was among the more musically
> ignorant I've seen.
If you're trying to tell me that there is no such thing as bad
songwriting, just "different" songwriting, then you're a hypocrite. Any
one of us "musical intelligentsia" on this list will express distaste
over various forms of bad musicianship, whether they see it as being Bon
Jovi or Tesla or some other.
> As for them being "another loud death band", you could at least do
> a little research before making such comments. First of all, if Pantera
> were to be pigeon-holed, they would fit into the "thrash" category;
> "death metal" would not suit them because they don't write the same kind
> of lyrics or music that "death metal" bands do. They're also quite a bit
> more musically competent than you probably took any time to see.
Now we're into putting things in categories. I thought that practice had
been stopped a long time ago!
> I don't happen to care for Fates Warning, but you don't see me
> coming in here lambasting those who do just because _I_DON'T_GET_IT_.
And you didn't see me lambasting anybody, either. I asked a simple
question in a very noncombative manner. More than once, there have been
bands that I just couldn't get into, until I spent some time talking with
people who enjoyed them, finding out what they were hearing in the music,
what they got out of it. From that, I developed an appreciation.
I think what really happened here is that I happened to ask a question
about a band that is dear to you, and you got your back up. Nobody is
attacking anybody here. Grow up.
> It's really rather simple: people have different tastes and opinions, and
> an opinion is NOT something that's right or wrong, even yours. Now that
> I think about it, "Live in a Hole" sounds like you:
>
> "Live in a hole, but stay close to my kind
> because they understand what burns in my mind"
By saying this, you're showing how quickly you judge things, without
enough knowledge. You know nothing about me except the picture you have
formed in your head. Maybe the comments I made reminded you of things
you have heard from other people, and you projected them onto me. In any
case, I'm very sorry that you are so upset by my post. I'm not a bit
sorry for what I said, but rather for the way it made you feel.
My .02,
James
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 15:22:18 -0600
From: ahlberg@students.wisc.edu (StupidHead)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake Promo/DT Drummer's poll/FW
Message-ID: <199501282122.PAA22246@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
I am back from one of my best ventures to the record store ever...I spent
$3.00. You are saying, "Doesn't sound THAT great." I bought 6 Dream
Theater album-sized promos for Awake. They are the front cover of the
Awake Disc on one side, and on the other is the group shot of the band from
the inlay. I AM FREAKING OUT. I actually found DT stuff to put up on my
walls here. But this, man, AWAKE! I am excited!
TOUGHEST DT SONG FOR PERCUSSION/DRUMS:
#1. Metropolis (by far) 5.00 to the end, ...5.50 (listen to the ride)
#2. TTT has some tough parts in it as well...
...I think that *by far* the perc. for I&W is much tougher than Awake...
WORST DT TUNE
#1. I don't think that there is one! (although I agree that Innocence is weak.)
I don't care for the recording of the drums/perc. on Awake. Does anyone
else agree with me here? The snare drives me up the wall. (The drum kick
at the beginning of Innocence...Auugghhhh!!!) I like the sound of the
drums much better on I&W. I am wondering if anyone knows what was used on
the snare for I&W?...it has alot added to it. Example--> 3.25 Metropolis.
I think that it could ALL be digital on I&W. Talk to me.
That about it...I'd like to add that because of Ystejam, I went out and
bought FW - Inside Out. LAME. Are there any better ones?
Later,
Erik
UW-Madison
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 16:28:49 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Magellan
Message-ID: <Ej_fQFe00YUtI_i2J_@andrew.cmu.edu>
Godsize@aol.com writes:
> We probably just have different tastes. I listen to Pantera because they
> hold nothing back musically or lyrically. They just totally rock. They also
> have awesome lyrics. And I know that they aren't as musically complex as DT
> but they are still very tight and hve talent.
> You have not lived until you see Pantera live. Granted I don't like them as
> much as Rush and DT but quite simply Pantera just kicks ass!
pantera have potential (as heard in Regular People) but they're too
concerned with their image and trying to be badasses which is why the
last album has fewer riffs than songs and pathetically childish
lyrics.
morbig angel is an example of a heavy band that's tight, intelligent,
original, and very powerful. if you get a chance to see them i promise
you'll be blown away. iinstead of making stupid jokes about hemp and
sex, they just put their heads down and play. the guitarist, trey
azagthoth, plays like he's insane. he doesn't quite have the technical
ability of jp, although he's excellent, he plays with an incredible
amount of feel even in his wild fast atonal solos.
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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