YTSEJAM Digest 675
Today's Topics:
1) RE: FW
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
2) SDV for keys ???
by Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu>
3) DT pay-per-view?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
4) WDADU poster
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Re: FW
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
6) Drum transcription to Awake
by dij1@cornell.edu (Dan Jablow)
7) Fates video boot from Pittsburgh
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
8) Re: Innocence Faded = Worst?
by James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com>
9) DT fan club
by bjm3@Lehigh.EDU (Merritt)
10) DT COVERS GIG
by Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com>
11) NIN/Majesty demos
by JennieBear@aol.com
12) Re: SDV for keys ???
by Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu>
13) Defending Fates Warning (again)!
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
14) Re: More FW
by jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.)
15) Metropolis! Metropolis!
by HuntNKill@aol.com
16) Re: Early Genesis (maybe best music ever)
by Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com>
17) listening to Fates...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
18) lucky London(ers?)... we want TAPES!!! :)
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
19) Re: DT fan club
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
20) Cover's gig...
by M.J.Thomas-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk
21) Re: DT and related bands
by "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
22) Digests
by Godsize@aol.com
23) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
24) Re: Assorted DT Content
by kad@iris122.biosym.com
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:06:28 PST
From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: FW
Message-ID: <199501310206.SAA28166@netcom15.netcom.com>
>I have to agree with Rob, I think FW sux.
>
> I gave them a chance. I listened to them for about a half an
>hour. And I'll I got was a head from listening to the singer dip and
>raise his voice trying to find his key. It was horrible. Made me
>nauseous, so I popped in DT and the sounds of James' soothing voices
>cured my malady.
>
>P.S. Thank God I didn't waste money buying the damned thing...
>
> Chuck
>
>===========================================================
>If I had my way... I'd have all of you shot!
> --- Roger Waters
> -- In the Flesh
>===========================================================
>
>
What can I say? Some will never learn... or clear the wax out of their
ears... passive listening is ingrained, active listening is a skill
learned by FEW...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:19:21 -0600 (CST) From: Nate Bradley <nbradley@d.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: SDV for keys ??? Message-ID: <199501310219.UAA18831@ub.d.umn.edu>
Jammers,
I was wondering if SDV (or at least the intro) has been transcribed for keys. Also is there an archive of DT keyboard material anywhere?
Thanks,
::::::::::::::::: nbradley@d.umn.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Nathan I Bradley Parallel addiction is 1320 Stadium Dr. G106 Double Crucifixion Duluth, MN 55812-2405 -Savatage (218) 726-7720 URL http://www.d.umn.edu/~nbradley/ ============================================================================
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT pay-per-view? Message-ID: <199501302204.RAA10390@rpc05.gl.umbc.edu>
Wasn't the DT pay-per-view in Japan supposed to happen last week? Did it really go on? Did the earthquake cancel the show?
Please let us know what happened and post a review if it DID happen.
Thanks!
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:03:31 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: WDADU poster Message-ID: <199501302203.RAA10382@rpc05.gl.umbc.edu>
Hi Jammers!
I have an Images and Words poster and an Awake poster. I would really like to complete my collection with a WDADU poster. If anyone has one and would be interested in selling it or trading it for a bunch of boots or something, please let me know!!
BTW - if any jammers are looking for DT boots, I have a list. Mail me if interested.
Thanks!
************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:44:31 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: FW Message-ID: <199501310344.UAA00687@bud.indirect.com>
> I have to agree with Rob, I think FW sux. > > I gave them a chance. I listened to them for about a half an > hour. And I'll I got was a head from listening to the singer dip and
Really?!? You got some HEAD from a CD? Damn! I have to beg and plead with my girlfriend for a week, then wine and dine her all night, just to get head once. Which Cd was it... I'm BUYING it!
:) -Mike
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 00:36:23 -0500 From: dij1@cornell.edu (Dan Jablow) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Drum transcription to Awake Message-ID: <199501310536.AAA06473@postoffice.mail.cornell.edu>
I've been a subscriber to the 'jam for about 2 months now and this is my first post. I know that there is a guitar tab out for Awake and was wondering if there is a drum transcription out or if one will be released here in the U.S. I've heard that a book was released in Japan that included drums. Does anyone know how I can get it?
I've been playing drums on and off now for about 8 years and I think that the 5 hardest DT songs to play (on drums) are, in no particular order:
Metropolis, Part 1 Innocence Faded Scarred Learning to Live anything from WDADU (I'm listening to it right now and am in complete awe, although the drums to seem to be "all over the place")
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:06:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Fates video boot from Pittsburgh Message-ID: <Pine.3.07.9501302344.A4720-9100000@bdmserver>
OK, I am getting swarmed with trade requests. I can only get online a couple times a week. I will try to get back to everyone, but let me get organized first.
Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:14:26 -0500 (EST) From: James Bickers <jbickers@iglou.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Innocence Faded = Worst? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950130231250.9842A-100000@iglou>
> >It's interesting to see all the bashing going on about Innocence Faded... > >but I must say... those who don't like IF are forgeting something... it's > >a normal rock song... not mean't to be anything else, sure a little > >commercial, but it has a more progressive quality in it then 6:00... now > >that's CHEESE... > > > >-The Doc I'm surprised at how many people seem to dislike 6:00. It has always struck me as one of the best moments on Awake. Maybe certain folks don't like the idea of using samples - seems too "dancy"?
James
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:50:34 EST From: bjm3@Lehigh.EDU (Merritt) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT fan club Message-ID: <199501310450.XAA64852@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
Hi Everyone, I'm sure a lot of you out there must be in the DT fan club, so I was wondering if you could tell me this: is it worth the $16 bucks?
Thanks, Merritt
P.S. Sorry about the non FW content
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:37:23 -0600 (CST) From: Ricky Booth <rbooth@galaxy.galstar.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: DT COVERS GIG Message-ID: <199501310537.XAA12436@galaxy.galstar.com>
Is anyone recording the DT covers gig?
If you don't have a DAT, I know of a cheaper way to do it.
You need a ski mask, jumpsuit, an UZI. Beat the crap out of the guards and run backstage. Shoot the soundman. Steal the soundbourd recording.
;-)
Jus kidding. Seriously, is anyone going to be recording it?
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 22:55:42 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: NIN/Majesty demos Message-ID: <950130225541_5600725@aol.com>
In Ytsejam #672, Jay Peele said:
<<It seems like there are several people on this list with diverse musical interests. I'm curious. How many ytsejammers like NIN. NIN is one of my favorite 'bands(?)'! I've seen NIN twice on the current tour and the show is amazing. I'll bet there are a lot on NIN haters on this list but I'm sure some of us like NIN. Just curious...>>
I like Nine Inch Nails. My husband doesn't, so he knows I'm in a mood when I play it - and LOUD! : ) I have most of the stuff: "Pretty Hate Machine," "Broken," "Fixed," and "The Downward Spiral." (Oh, and then there's "Dead Souls" off "The Crow." There's a survey to conduct - not everyone can tolerate NIN or Joy Divison - on first listen, which version would least annoy the average person? : ) I'm not flaming here because I have a Joy Divison CD, but it really has to grow on you...) I was a dolt and didn't catch the show when they came to town...well, at least my sis bought me a t-shirt!
Onto the Dream Theater content:
In the recent past, in a post on I&W versus Awake, I mentioned a desire to hear the Majesty stuff. Thanks to Rob W., the demos are finally in my hands today! (I really like it, but it's definitely in the WDADU era - it has that "sound," if you know what I mean...) I know there's some controversy over boots, but I can see how people want to get as much DT as possible! There's stuff here I've never ever heard before. : ) "Hi, my name is Jennifer, and I'm a Dream Theater addict..."
Jen
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 02:28:17 -0600 (CST) From: Eric Moegling <emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: SDV for keys ??? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501310213.A29857-0100000@bigcat>
Hey kidZ...I'm gonna be puttin' SDV on the net Soon...but right now I'm in the middle of a move...so be patient!!! The easiest way to learn this one is to sit at the piano with yer CD-player...and listen and play...it's quite simple (heck if I can play it...a Chimp can!!!), and the only hard part is trying to cature the proper mood of the song (I can make it sound extremly happy and beautiful just by changing the rhythem a little...it's fun)...so keep yer eyes open, and go try it for yourself...it's really not as hard as it sounds. Later!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the pattern of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sig's) (i.e A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. emoeglin@bigcat.missouri.edu
emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu ERIC MOEGLING: as297@freenet.hsc.colorado.edu
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On Tue, 31 Jan 1995, Nate Bradley wrote:
> Jammers, > > I was wondering if SDV (or at least the intro) has been > transcribed for keys. Also is there an archive of DT keyboard > material anywhere? > > Thanks, > > ::::::::::::::::: nbradley@d.umn.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > Nathan I Bradley Parallel addiction is > 1320 Stadium Dr. G106 Double Crucifixion > Duluth, MN 55812-2405 -Savatage > (218) 726-7720 URL http://www.d.umn.edu/~nbradley/ > ============================================================================ > >
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 04:26:30 -0500 From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Defending Fates Warning (again)! Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.950131040821.24437A-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
First of all, I'd have to agree with 'The Doc' about 6:00! I mean, hell, my voice sure isn't perfect but the vocals on 6:00 are done in bad taste. JP's wah wah pedal annoys me on 6:00 as well. 'Scarred' is by far the best song on "Awake" IMHO of course...
FATES WARNING: If you have never heard FW, don't begin with 'Inside Out'. If this is your only option skip right to 'Monument' (a FW classic). I would suggest starting out with 'Perfect Symmetry' or 'Parallels' or if you prefer epic heavy music, start with 'No Exit'. The older albums are also awesome but they sound a little dated. 'No Exit', 'Perfect Symmetry', and 'Parallels' are timeless albums. 'Inside Out' is also great but not quite as good as the other 3 I mentioned.
I hate to say it, but when I hear someone flame FW I can't help but laugh at the ignorance. Opinions are one thing but scientific facts are another. 'Perfect Symmetry' is right up there with 'Moving Pictures' or 'Dark Side of the Moon'!!! NO shit!!!! Everyone - GO GET 'PERFECT SYMMETRY' (FATES WARNING)!!! DO IT NOW!!
Thank You, Jay Peele (INFERNO) For info on INFERNO e-mail jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu (Our new demo is done but we can't re-produce it until we pay off our debt! Arghhh!! Our music and vocals have improved ten-fold... Those of you who have 'Psychic Distance' will be surprised by our new demo, which is a transition into our next phase 'Panels'..... )
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 06:00:26 -0500 From: jjens@osf1.gmu.edu (John Jens, Jr.) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: More FW Message-ID: <9501311100.AA02376@gmu.edu>
Howdy again, fellow Jammers. felt a need to reply to these recent FW posts...
in Ytsejam 674 q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson) babbled:
>Today I went down to our local music store. I really had to try to get into >Fates Warning, cos they will open for DT here in Sweden. and I wanted to >check them out. The only CD they had was Inside Out -94, so I listened to >that. >But (after only one try) I wasnt impressed. I dont know but it doesnt sound
if you had read my earlier post -- 660 i believe -- along w/ Doc's FW listening guide -- thanx for the credit ;) -- you would have read that one cannot fully appreciate FW in one sitting, let alone in a record store.
>that special to me. I really had expected something less *hm I dont knom >the word, the only word that comes into my mind is the Forbidden one, but >OK here it is -MAINSTREAM- OK so there I said it, go flame me, just do it*
are you a musician? obviously u failed to *listen* to the music...once again another example of ppl only *hearing*. i'm not going to flame you bcuz you think it sounds MAINSTREAM, bcuz -- hold your breath -- it DOES sound mainstream but only if one does NOT *listen* to it. that is part of the magic of FW. to the casual hearer -- which i believe Mr. Gustafsson is/was, at least in this case -- is does not sound progressive, off-time, etc. try sitting down w/ Inside Out and playing the drums to it or counting to it. better yet, try playing the drums or counting to anything off Perfect Symmetry or Parallels. betcha can't do it in one try. it takes time. some ppl may not like FW BECAUSE they have to actively *listen*; this is too complicated or envolving or they dont want to give the time that it takes to appreciate the music and songs. that's fine. like i said in my other post, FW is not for everyone.
>Though I can see that some people really can get into it and love them.
well, ok. good. a glimmer of hope.
>They are not bad, not bad at all, just that they arent any special, at >least not to me, at least not yet. ^^^^^^^ another glimmer
>To me it sounded like Queensry:che, and >not like their best performances either.
QR. hmmm...a little maybe. QR's more metal -- Promised Land is closer to FW than anything else QR's done; still more straight-beat metal tho -- IMO.
>Maybe I should try another album, and perhaps at home instead of in the >recordstore.
hey! now there's an idea!
>I dont remember who said something about their lyrics, but I think they >were quite medioker. Not that I can make better myself, but I know other ( >DT, Fish, Queensry:che.....) that can.
again, you are missing the point. FW's lyrics are very emotional and envolving. maybe you failed to open your mind enough to let them take effect? but, how could you? you only listened in a record store.
onto the next ignorant-of-FW-sole....
in the same issue, Chuck, "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>, spouted:
>I have to agree with Rob, I think FW sux.
and i'm sure they think you suck as well.
> I gave them a chance. I listened to them for about a half an >hour. And I'll I got was a head from listening to the singer dip and
about half an hour? you call that a chance?
BH: huh huh, he got, like head, from listening to music. B: yeah yeah! that'd be cool
(sorry. cudnt resist :)
>raise his voice trying to find his key. It was horrible. Made me >nauseous, so I popped in DT and the sounds of James' soothing voices >cured my malady.
which CD? granted, Ray Alder is better than John Arch, IMO, they both have trouble singing to such complicated music. hell, Charles Dominicci as well as James LaBrie have trouble singing to DT's music. i'm definately NOT a vocalist. how they can sing to the odd times and changes, counter melodies, etc is beyond me. i cant do it. i can write and play it but i cant sing over it.
soothing? James' voice was soothing? which CD were u listening to? on I&W he's having trouble singing bcuz the melodies are not in his "prefered" range. on Awake James got to sing where he wanted too, lower, more raspy. i dont call either soothing. i call Goeff Tate soothing.
>P.S. Thank God I didn't waste money buying the damned thing...
yeah. i'd be a pity, had you bought it, that you might learn something and perhaps expand your limited outlook...
sorry for the length guys n gals. but oviously i feel strongly about FW and dislike closeminded ppl in general who listen to anything once and say, "nope. this sux." i'd like to be able to say that these ppl are simply unable, physically and mentally, to appreciate FW or anything else in life; that these ppl dont want to/cant think about the music with an open mind; that they do not want to possibly give something of themselves in order to receive something back. of course this doesnt only cover music but life as well...and now i've gone too far into philosophy and shall cut it off here so as to spare the closeminded the pain of the truth. email me if you'd like to hear more of my ramblings :)
later, john .............................................................................. John C. Jens, Jr. jjens@gmu.edu jensjr@tec.army.mil http://192.86.66.241/~jens/
"You've got to learn to let go. Just let go and experience the flight. Try to see from a different side." -"Global Mind" Queensryche _Promised Land_ ..............................................................................
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:31:00 -0500 From: HuntNKill@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Metropolis! Metropolis! Message-ID: <950131075054_9000979@aol.com>
Dear jammers,
I just realized that in "A Kick into a Dream" right before Metropolis part I, you can hear me and my friends Rob, Greg, and Mike chanting "Metropolis! Metropolis! Metropolis!" I remember it also! This happens right before I yell "Hey Mike!" then asking him to start the chant. Oh well, I guess none of you would really care. But it was cool, though!
Yours, Jeff =)
P.S. To the guy standing next to me in the Oct. 28th 1994 show who was taking pictures and was drumming on my back during Metropolis, I'm not too sure if you're on this list, but write me if you can hear me! (I was the short chinese guy in front of Petrucci wearing a DT hat)
<<<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<<<</-\-/-\-/-\>>>>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>>> Jeff Chew is: "Should I turn on my religion? huntnkill@aol.com These demons in my head tell me to" -John Petrucci <<<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<==<<<<\-/-\-/-\-/>>>>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>==>>>
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 08:41:56 -0500 From: Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Early Genesis (maybe best music ever) Message-ID: <199501311341.IAA11390@olympus.ctron.com>
(People talking about The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway)
>> great.) Anyway, this cd contains some of the best song writing I've ever >> heard. It's ridiculously complex even too! Well... some of it is at >> least. You've never heard a real keyboard solo until you've heard "Riding
You are right, The Lamb is quite possibly the best progressive rock album ever, IMO. It is so many things: mature, surreal, powerful, sometimes silly, always original and creative.
>Uh, sure I have. I've never heard Tony Banks approach Kevin Moore as >far as soloing is concerned. He writes (er, wrote) fantastic melodies, >though. And his solos are nothing to laugh at, but I wouldn't characterize >any of them as especially "real" compared with everything else I've ever heard.
While Moore may have better chops I think Banks is a better composer, and his keyboard work more original. I've read interviews where Banks considers himself a composer before being a performer. His work on the early Genesis albums is incredibly magical and innovative. And his sense of harmony is fantastic! I tried to figure out the chords to the In the Cage solo and it's no easy task. Actually the solo to Under a Glass Moon is easier to play than In the Cage, if you include the background chords. I'd say Bank's solo approach is more compositional and Moore's more improvisational.
If you like Lamb try Foxtrot, Nursery Cryme, Selling England, Wind and Wuthering, Trespass, and Trick of the Tail.
Rob
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:07:47 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: listening to Fates... Message-ID: <199501311507.KAA25571@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
I do want to mention just one thing for the recent postings about people who don't like Fates... First and MOST IMPORTANTLY, give them more than one listen. The 1st time I heard Parallels, I really liked it... so I could not wait for Inside Out to be released... I searched the entire damn city of Pittsburgh to find the CD, and once I finally did, I put it in my car discman on the way home, and thought "what the hell kind of shit is this" Well, after listening to it some more (about 5-10 more times) I was able to become more familiar with it and its subtleties... Inside Out is now one of my favorite CDs, next to I&W and Awake... (listening to it right now, in fact). Remember the 1st time you heard I&W??? I remember thinking to myself, why did I buy this CD... my friends must have been crazy for recommending it... Needless to say, once I gave it some more listens, I loved it... Just wanted to say that before bpeople go blowing Fates off after only one listen.
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:15:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com (Ytsejam SERVER) Subject: lucky London(ers?)... we want TAPES!!! :) Message-ID: <199501311515.KAA25588@beryl.cs.brandeis.edu>
I just wanted to mention to any of those of you lucky enough to live in London (is it Londonites? Londoners? I forget)... and who are going to the covers gig tonight... be sure to take your taping equiptment... becuase we WANT TAPES!!! :) I got lots of stuff to trade if someoen gets a good copy ntonight...
-- +----------------------------------------+----------------+---------+ | And I'll smile and learn to pretend | Dream Theater | Michael | | And I'll never be open again | Space Dye Vest | Burstin | | And I'll have no more dreams to defend |-----Awake------+---------+ | And I'll never be open again | Brandeis University | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ For info about Dream Theater, finger mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://cs.brandeis.edu/USER/UGRAD/mikeb/home.html
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 08:13:17 PST From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT fan club Message-ID: <9500317915.AA791565383@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I'm sure a lot of you out there must be in the DT fan club, so I was >wondering if you could tell me this: is it worth the $16 bucks? Well I don't know about others, but I sent them a check almost a year ago (it was cashed) and have heard nothing back. I even wrote letters asking what happened...no response. ps. BTW, FW doesn't suck! +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ | Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation | | Office (email only): 2n18004@ccmail.emis.hac.com | | Home: mkizer@indirect.com <Tucson, Arizona> | | "Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chos." --Rush | +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 11:49:38 GMT From: M.J.Thomas-SE2@computer-science.birmingham.ac.uk To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Cover's gig... Message-ID: <3486.9501311149@pooh.cs.bham.ac.uk>
Hiya guys 'n gals...more news and views from the UK...
I just can't believe it...I wake up this morning ready to go to the concert of my life, and I have a zit right in the middle of my forehead. Arrrgh! I can picture it now...I'll be chatting away with Steve Howe about how amazing his early stuff with Yes was, and he'll say
"Ermm...isn't that a big spot on your face? Doesn't that make you a spotty teenage geek with no lasting interest in good music?"
My life may well end tonight, folks, but if it don't, I'll be sure to write in with a blindin' review.
And no, I'm not going to record it ;) Sorry!
Later,
Matt.
"For the first time in a long time...It's about music."
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:28:16 -0500 From: "Mark A. Parker" <parkerma@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT and related bands Message-ID: <199501311628.LAA00909@o200c-1.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu>
>Could you please stop discussing DT-related bands here! Since I'm >on this list, I've spend too much money on Rush, Yes and others >And you nearly got me to buy the Magellan "Impending Ascension" >CD (I've already listened to "Magna Charta" and I liked it... but I >can't buy 3 CDs every week). >*** Ah, please ignore the previous message... ;) ***
Actually, this is getting to be a problem for me... I can't exactly afford the space to hold the digests that have all these reviews! ;) I was wondering, has anyone collected a list of these bands that have been mentioned and categorized them somewhat as to what kind of music they do?
Dom'ny
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:53:41 -0500 From: Godsize@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Digests Message-ID: <950131114900_9144949@aol.com>
Could someone please tell me how to change from recieveing digests to just recieving the regular mail!!!!
Trey
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 12:54:04 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950131123848.13603A-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Mon, 30 Jan 1995, William T Bajzek wrote:
> Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> writes: > > i agree that the outro is one of the best parts...that's the only > > reason i still listen to innocence faded. > > i wish people would take a really good listen to that song and learn > to appreciate it. its a really beautiful piece of music, buti think > people dont like it because they think it sounds poppy rather than the > actual music itself. just because james sings "ahh" doesn't mean its > pop or cheese. that song is filled with excellent melodies and Sometimes a few bursts of cheese (aaahh) can ruin an otherwise half-way decent song.
> brilliant composition. it annoys me that a lot of dream theater fans > have a tendency to do this, i'm not saying everyone but its there, i > felt the same way when i first heard the song. but DT fans should keep > there minds open and not get into the pantera mindframe where if it > isn't heavy its no good. DT requires open mindedness, people who say
I love Surrounded, I love Another Day, I even like Silent Man (in context). Heaviness has nothing to do with it. Innocence Faded doesn't do much for me.
> they like DT but they'd be better without the keyboards are full of > shit. DT is dark, uplifting, heavy and light, but always excellent.
Well, if I had to pick, I'd keep the keyboards and get rid of the guitar :) light to dark, dark to light...but some songs are not as excellent as others.
> they wouldn't be DT if awake consisted only of ciaw, the mirror, lie,
That's right. And I wouldn't be on this list, either.
> and songs like that. its diversity and their ability to write > excellent music that makes them who they are. > > big ramble. my point, dt demands openmindedness, so before you label a > song as cheese because it grooves or poppy because james sings 'ah' and > its a major chord, give it another chance. dt grows on you. i hate IF > and now its my favorite from the cd because i put the 'too poppy' > mentallity out of my head and listened with a clean slate, so to > speak. there isn't a single DT song after the majesty demos that i > dont love.
Of course, the operative word here is "i". Other open-minded opinions may differ.
> > its the same closed mindedness and unwillingness to listen that keeps > people from getting into fates.
Is it not possible to dislike a song and still be open-minded? Hell- I like a good pop song, but Innocence Faded doesn't even work as a pop song the way Another Day does.
Differences of opinion do not suggest a closed mind.
================================================= ANDREW KEEGAN (akeegan@liii.com) "I am but a starling, learning the currents of the air" -Castanarc ================================================
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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 11:08:00 -0800 From: kad@iris122.biosym.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Assorted DT Content Message-ID: <199501311908.LAA03880@iris122.biosym.com>
In YTSEJAM digest 671, esa2@cornell.edu (Mr. Phat) writes:
> Look, I'm sorry I forgot to include all the females in my last post's > intro. Please, could you women quite hassling me already? So tell me what > you like better: Dear Jammers and Jammetes, or Dear SIBLINGS of DT?
I was wondering how long we were going wait for your reply. A simple apology and an acknowledgement would be quite sufficient to forgive your shovinistic remark. Do you think that females on this list gave you such a rough treatment for it? Oh puhleeeze... how long have you been on the internet? What did you expect when you ignore one whole gender of ytsejammers?
And here is another one (written by HEADSTRONG <SL98MJ85@acs.wooster.edu>):
> There's nothing wrong with that, and I challenge the > so-called "musical intelligensia" to write songs that do so much for the > female libido. (Sorry, but Dream Theater does not get the women)(Hope that > doesn't offend anyone, but it makes my point.) All music serves a different > purpose, and any music which fulfills it's purpose, is good music.
I'm sorry but it DOES offend some, me for one. What are you trying to say? "Dream Theater does not get the women"??? Thanks, so much for my femininity!
I can't believe that females on this list have to deal with all that sexist crap. I'm sick and tired of being treated as some sort of curiosity when I say I'm a big Queensryche or Dream Theater or Rush or Fates Warning fan. Could we please stop categorizing music on gender basis in this forum? This is really getting annoying. I know you didn't mean to be offensive but try to be a little more sensitive about the feelings of other readers.
Thank you for your consideration, Kinga
_______________________________________________________________________________ "Ahh yes to yes ahh ahh to yes why the sun why the sun..." Kinga Dytkowska - kad@biosym.com _______________________________________________________________________________
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