YTSEJAM Digest 674
Today's Topics:
1) Re: concert tickets
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
2) Innocence Faded = Worst?
by hmarq@interaccess.com (Hank Marquardt)
3) Re: Marillion
by Godsize@aol.com
4) Wicked Guitar
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
5) Re: Marillion
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
6) 6:00
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 670
by Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
8)
by q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
9) My collexion :)
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
10) RE: FW
by "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
11) Re: Magellan...
by <schew@tis.com>
12) Early Genesis...
by <schew@tis.com>
13) Worst song/ yongest fan
by Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu>
14) Re: Awake Promo/DT Drummer's poll/FW
by An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
15) Hardest drum song
by An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
16) Awake theme . .
by "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu>
17) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
18) Re: James LaBrie's quotes
by borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
19) Re: Marillion
by Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com>
20) Re: Live unplayables.
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
21) Re: Worst song/innocence faded
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
22) Re: DT & related bands
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
23) Dream Theater Pays Homage...
by buffalo@panix.com (c notes)
24) Genesis.
by YYSD@grove.iup.edu
25) Re: 6:00
by drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh)
26) Re: Worst song/ yongest fan
by William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
27) Majesty Demos
by Michael Herring <mpherrin@mtu.edu>
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:13:45 GMT
From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: concert tickets
Message-ID: <9501301313.AA03674@goose.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
No more applications for my FREE give-away covers concert ticket please - - -
it's gone!!
Graham B.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 07:51:46 -0600
From: hmarq@interaccess.com (Hank Marquardt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Innocence Faded = Worst?
Message-ID: <199501301349.HAA15858@home.interaccess.com>
>It's interesting to see all the bashing going on about Innocence Faded...
>but I must say... those who don't like IF are forgeting something... it's
>a normal rock song... not mean't to be anything else, sure a little
>commercial, but it has a more progressive quality in it then 6:00... now
>that's CHEESE...
>
>-The Doc
I guess I'm surprised by the bashing of IF as well; while I'm not exactly
thrilled with the "beginnings get complicated" section, much of the vocal
work that immediatly preceeds that is pretty impressive range wise. While
I'm not a vocalist, the range on the high end is reminecent of TTT ...
anyone on the "hardest to perform" thread care to comment?
Of course I don't think 6:00 is all that bad either ... your milege may vary
<grin>.
Hank
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:40:46 -0500
From: Godsize@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Marillion
Message-ID: <950130104044_4867002@aol.com>
Definately get either Misplaced Childhood or Clutching at Straws.
Both are excellent!
Trey
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:50:35 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Wicked Guitar
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9501301143.A18652-0100000@casual1>
Hello,
To all those who responded to my question about good jazz guitar, a
sincere thanks!
If anyone's looking for wicked guitar I purchased Al DiMeola's Elegant
Gypsy which has a spanish/latin american feel throughout most of the cd.
It's not that jazzy, but features Paco de Lucia in at least one song.
They even do tradeoffs with the keyboard. It's incredible. Very
reminiscent of Deep Purple, and Vinnie Moore at times. One song features
two acoustic guitars for about 6 minutes at blistering speed (Paco and Al).
You can see the influence in DT's stuff as well.
Will
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:34:49 -0500 (EST)
From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Marillion
Message-ID: <sj=HxN_00YUs8GLrc7@andrew.cmu.edu>
Ytsejam <bdon@wam.umd.edu> writes:
> I intend to get a Marillion CD in the near future, but I have a question.
>
> Which one of their albums would be a good one to start off with first?
>
definitely Script for a Jester's Tear
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu
on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu
we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home
-cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html-
guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:47:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: DT:;@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU
Subject: 6:00
Message-ID: <01HMGLZ0CDVM008RQ6@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
wow.....i am very VERY surprised at the last digest and the posts from people
who think that 6:00 is about the least progressive piece on AWAKE....
VERY SURPRISED!!
other than erotomania...6:00 is the MOST progressive piece on the new album...
it is definitely one of my favorites and IMHO there is no such thing as CHEESE
in this song...just try counting along with it...or more so... TRY PLAYING IT...some of the other songs have solos that contain more time changes and
technicality but as a whole, the rhythmic structure and melodic structure of
6:00 is extremely complex and i totally anticipating being able to look at a
transcription of this piece as soon as possible (complete, all parts, written out)
this is my opinion and id be happy to take a closer listen to the songs on
awake and come up with specifics if anyone really doubts this...
$.02
anthony kozar
akozar@uoft02.utoledo.edu
http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:29:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Anthony <AKOZAR@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 670
Message-ID: <01HMGN0O1EVS008RQ6@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>
>
>Hailey <pass@u.washington.edu> writes:
>> And this is what I seem to have noticed:
>> There is a fullness to IandW which I cannot penetrate, and which
>> I cannot find on Awake. In other words, when I first played Awake after
>> my rebirth into IandW, there seemed to be holes in it, empty space which,
>> though not large, were certainly disconcerting.
>
>yeah, i'm noticing that too, awake is kinda boring compared to I&W.
>awake is too divided...
i will admit that I&W is "fuller" but this is all electronics i think
I&W is a LOT heavier on the digital processing that is done to the sound...
this is very noticable on headphones...it is certainly one the reasons that i
fell in love with the album--i just love drowning in a sea of reverb and delay
or chorus and phasing so thick that you could spoon it ( :) ) ... however,
i can see why DT didnt do this with Awake...i read in some interview here on
the net where one of the guys form the band (James i think) said that they
really tried hard to record Awake as clean as possible with a very "in you face"
sort of sound... well, i think they did an incredible job of this as i believe
Awake to be almost the cleanest album ive ever heard (save for some of the
samples) and it has a lot of "punch"...i also think this was a good move
because the sounds have more grunge and the reverb/digital effects would have
just muddied it up a little...I&W is muddy in a couple places but it isnt as
detrimental as it would have been on Awake...
>that too... when john starts his solo the band seems to get very quiet
>because his huge guitar isn't there.
>
yeah... i like the huge guitar sound too which comes mostly from the digital
effects once again...listen to TOWHTSTS...Great stuff!! really huge....very
reminiscient of Tangerine Dream stuff that ive heard...
>> been done to it is not. The heaviness drowns out much of the more subtle
>> sounds -- mainly keys -- that were present in IandW; also, the fun
>
>the heaviness doesn't drown out the keys, the production does. the
>keys were mixed in quieter. i still think kevin wanted it that way to
>hmake him more replacable. the next album, with a steady keyboardist,
>should be awesome.
where is this ???? i dont hear it... the keys are MUCH more noticable on Awake
than I&W...at least i think so...yes his sounds blend better but the I&W sounds
sometimes just werent heared!! i perceive the keys to be much more in balance
with the guitar (after i figured out who was playing what) and i thought that
was one of the good points about the album... (maybe because i play keyboard)
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:15:37 +0100
From: q94hg@thn.htu.se (Henrik Gustafsson)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <m0rYzas-0000FkC@tellus.thn.htu.se>
Hi
Today I went down to our local music store. I really had to try to get into
Fates Warning, cos they will open for DT here in Sweden. and I wanted to
check them out. The only CD they had was Inside Out -94, so I listened to
that.
But (after only one try) I wasnt impressed. I dont know but it doesnt sound
that special to me. I really had expected something less *hm I dont knom
the word, the only word that comes into my mind is the Forbidden one, but
OK here it is -MAINSTREAM- OK so there I said it, go flame me, just do it*
Though I can see that some people really can get into it and love them.
They are not bad, not bad at all, just that they arent any special, at
least not to me, at least not yet. To me it sounded like Queensry:che, and
not like their best performances either.
Maybe I should try another album, and perhaps at home instead of in the
recordstore.
I dont remember who said something about their lyrics, but I think they
were quite medioker. Not that I can make better myself, but I know other (
DT, Fish, Queensry:che.....) that can.
ON THE OTHER HAND
I listened to Genesis the -Lamb on Broadway- album.
Man was that brilliant !!!!
I must say that I NEVER thought Gabriel/Collins were able to do that kind
of music. Sometimes it was so good I was thinking of buying it right away,
even if the CD costed 30 dollars and I dont have a CD-player. I will
definately try to listen to more of their stuff.
And to you out there who just have heard their newer pop-stuff,
GIVE THEM A TRY !
It is 2 decades old and has the same quality as Pink Floyd - the same weird
*drug*-parts too -. And some of the songs were truly masterpieces.
A little long mail, but i hope youll forgive me
bye and Be Good.
Henrik Gustafsson q94hg@thn.htu.se Dream Theater
Drottninggatan 62 c 7 Q94 Toni Holgersson
461 33 Trollha:ttan IE-91 Just D
0520-155 98 070-719 89 64 & 070-814 24 38 Fish
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:45:37 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: My collexion :)
Message-ID: <3474B80535@UCS.ISU.EDU>
I just thought I'd like to clear up the point in which Pantera meets
DT. I'd just like to say that Cemetery Gates just happens to be a
favorite song of mine. I can't say much about D. Darrell's guitar
playing abilities as compared to JP's (since John could rip Darrell's
head off), but I do like Pantera. I do like DT a hell of alot more
however. But being a guitar player, I get more of an itch to play
something heavier like Primal Concrete Sledge every once in a while,
too. (But TTT is a bitch to play)
These are a list of the 5 best albums out there (according to me)
1: Dream Theater -- Images and Words. (of course, of course)
2: Queensryche -- Operation: Mindcrime
3: Pink Floyd -- The Wall
4: Marty Friedman -- Scenes/Introduction (It's a tie)
5: Megadeth -- Youthanasia
These 5 selections are subject to change without notice...
P.S. My least favorite DT song's got to be Lie (It sounds too
Pantera-ish :P )
======================================================================
Chuck Reis | I know all about the
Bass, Wasted Angel | honor of God,
reischar@ucs.isu.edu | Mary Jane -- DT
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:03:02 MST
From: "UG REIS CHARLES R" <REISCHAR@ucs.isu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: FW
Message-ID: <34BF5972FD@UCS.ISU.EDU>
I have to agree with Rob, I think FW sux.
I gave them a chance. I listened to them for about a half an
hour. And I'll I got was a head from listening to the singer dip and
raise his voice trying to find his key. It was horrible. Made me
nauseous, so I popped in DT and the sounds of James' soothing voices
cured my malady.
P.S. Thank God I didn't waste money buying the damned thing...
Chuck
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If I had my way... I'd have all of you shot!
--- Roger Waters
-- In the Flesh
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:08:56 -0500 (EST)
From: <schew@tis.com>
To: Godsize@aol.com
Cc: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Magellan...
Message-ID: <10997.9501301908@ragnarok.tis.com>
>
> I had been looking for a Magellan album ever since I heard all you guys
>rave about them and today I found "Impending Ascension". I would just like
>to say that it totally blew me away! There have only been three other bands
>that when I first heard them blew me away:
>Rush, Dream Theater, and Pantera. But this stuff is great. I could not
>believe they had it because I have been looking for it for some time.
> I highly recommend it to anyone that can find a copy. ....... Hell I
>recommend it to those of you who can't find it!
> Now I have a question. Is there first album as good because if so I will
>probably hunt it down!
>
I'd say that Magellan's first album, "Hour of Restoration", is about
as good as the second one. I listen to the second one slightly more often
now, but I love them both. I'd say if you like one of them you'll almost
certainly like the other one.
As I think I posted before, a place called "Planet Music" here can
supposedly order "Hour..." for $13.95 (and they can order "Impending Ascension"
too). I haven't tried ordering it, but you can give it a shot (they do
mail-order). Here's the number: (410) 455-5300 If you do get it from
them, let me know 'cause I'd like to let other people know too.
Magellan is supposed to come out with their third album, "Test of
Wills" this year. Can't wait! :-)
And I can't wait even more to hear what comes of the DT Cover Show!
I hope they release the whole thing officially.... I've heard a medley they
did on a boot (it has pretty poor sound quality though, unfortunately) and
it was fantastic. It had short pieces from "Heart of the Surise", "YYZ",
"Aqualung", "Carry On Wayward Son" and more. Every piece sounded great!
Doing the whole songs should be fantastic...
Steve
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/home.html "Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else."------------------------------
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:47:09 -0500 (EST) From: <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Early Genesis... Message-ID: <11147.9501301947@ragnarok.tis.com>
>> great.) Anyway, this cd contains some of the best song writing I've ever >> heard. It's ridiculously complex even too! Well... some of it is at >> least. You've never heard a real keyboard solo until you've heard "Riding > >Uh, sure I have. I've never heard Tony Banks approach Kevin Moore as >far as soloing is concerned. He writes (er, wrote) fantastic melodies, >though. And his solos are nothing to laugh at, but I wouldn't characterize >any of them as especially "real" compared with everything else I've ever heard. > I'm not trying to say that one person's better, but I just love Banks' playing on songs like "The Cage" and "Supper's Ready" (the 9/8 section has some very cool keyboards).
>> And I enjoy ALL of the songs on the CD! The production is so great that >> it sounds like it was made yesterday, not back in 1974. Powerful bass, >> crystal clear singing, deep powerful piano. This CD has it all... Can >> anyone else comment on this CD? And if you don't already have it, GET >> THIS CD... It's not mellow as I first thought it to be, it can sometimes >> be almost scary in the way they play the songs, and at other things >> simplistic and beautiful. > >The Lamb is indeed a great CD. Most early Genesis is like this, although >some of it is pretty poorly produced. Check out A Trick of the Tail and >Nursery Cryme. And while you're at it, check out Trespass and all the >other early Genesis stuff. >
Yeah, most of the early Genesis stuff is fantastic! :-) If you do go out and buy the other Genesis CDs now, be sure to get the remastered versions. There should be an obvious silver sticker on the CD which says that it's the remastered version of the album. "Trespass", "Nursery Crime" and "Foxtrot" were all made to sound *much* better through the remastering. My other favorites of the early Genesis are "Foxtrot" and "Selling England by the Pound". "Foxtrot" is worth it just to hear the 23 minute song "Supper's Ready". Wonderful stuff! BTW, William, how did you like Jethro Tull's "Thick as a Brick"? It took me a little while to get into that album, but now it's one of my very favorites. It has a kind of subtle power that reveals itself with many listens. I can never seem to get tired of it.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:56:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu> To: DREAM THEATER <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Worst song/ yongest fan Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950130115045.312B-100000@upsun20.up.edu>
Ok, I've heard enough about DT's worst song. As I'm sure all of you have, I have listen to hours upon hours of DT. There are some days when I don't want to listen to a particular song. That doesn't mean I hate the song. Frankly, every single song of DT blows me away. To all of those out there who dislike a specific DT song, I say give it a chance. DT's songs grow on you. That's part of what makes DT so awesome.
Again, to all of you who are curious who the youngest fan is. Can anyone beat my ten year old sister?
Jarrod Ramsey-Lewis University of Portland
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:04:06 -0500 (EST) From: An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Awake Promo/DT Drummer's poll/FW Message-ID: <m0rZ2Pi-0002x6C@donews.cts.com>
Here, here, Doc!
- Al > > > > >That about it...I'd like to add that because of Ystejam, I went out and > >bought FW - Inside Out. LAME. Are there any better ones? > > > > Typical LAME response, are you listening? Did you actually clear your ears out > and LISTEN? I don't mean just put the CD on and turn your brain off... did > you actually listen to it?? Probably not... you're so used to Dream Theater... > > >Later, > > > >Erik > > > > > >UW-Madison > > > > -The Doc > > -- > #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ > *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ > **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ > *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ > >
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:11:03 -0500 (EST) From: An Angel's Kiss <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Hardest drum song Message-ID: <m0rZ2WP-00034AC@donews.cts.com>
I am not a drummer, but have been involved with music basically all my life and can see the difficulty of songs....I think that one song that people might be forgetting is LtL...some parts in particular include (I don't know exact times)
1.) "Once you're touched....." part, about 20 - 30 sec before and after, how the bass drum goes along with the guitar.
2.) The part that's shown on the LiT video, where they are in the studio.........take a look and you can see what I mean (hi-hat and drum)...
Not to mention "Leave the Past Behind", "Life in Still Water", and "Face the Fear", take a listen to the drums thru headphones - oh wait, those aren't DT songs...... :) sorry
- Al Balkiewicz vocals, Half Naked (the right half)
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Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 13:21:19 EST From: "Brian J. Wherry" <WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> To: <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Awake theme . . Message-ID: <28JAN95.14424017.0037.MUSIC@LAFAYACS>
Someone mentioned a recurring theme in Awake. Actually, I think just about every tune on the disc has it. The thing you may be thinking of is what I call a "major-minor". What I mean by that is that it's a minor progression played with major chords. The chorus from Caught in a Web is exactly that. It's all over the place in Erotomania, The Silent Man, Voices . . . It's very obvious in Voices. The main change that gives us all chills is B major to Gadd9add#11 (you know the "da-da-da -DA!" part?). I could go on and on about this sort of thing (I love it and use it all the time), but I'm sure not all of you are all that interested. If anyone wants to Email me and discuss all the musical techniques, harmonies, modalities, theories, etc., please do!!
Brian Wherry wb81@lafibm.lafayette.edu
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:42:46 -0800 (PST) From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: <9501302042.AA02447@malibu.sfu.ca>
> > airplane...'beginnings get complicated...', i _hate_ that part! > > Well... no matter how bad that part may be (I don't have a problem with > it) the instrumental at the end (the last 2 minutes) makes up for the > whole entire album! That's one of the best moments on Awake!
i agree that the outro is one of the best parts...that's the only reason i still listen to innocence faded.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 21:20:50 GMT From: borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: James LaBrie's quotes Message-ID: <9501302120.AA01983@carlisle.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
My favourite quote from James is not off a bootleg, but from a show I was at . .
he said "Sorry about my voice, but I got my butt kicked by a Scottish bloke".
Heheh :-)
Graham B.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:23:36 -0500 From: Rob Martino <martino@ctron.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Marillion Message-ID: <199501302123.QAA21555@olympus.ctron.com>
> I intend to get a Marillion CD in the near future, but I have a question.
> Which one of their albums would be a good one to start off with first?
> Brandon
I think Misplaced Childhood is the best way to get into Marillion. If you like it then get Script for a Jester's Tear, Fugazi, and Clutching at Straws. MC and CaS get more commercial sounding, and are a little more maturely developed, but I think I prefer the intensity and freshness of Script and Fugazi better, although they may be harder to get into. All four are very good! Their recent albums are only OK except their most recent Brave which is very good but not as good as the first four.
All IMO, of course.
Rob
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:09:52 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Live unplayables. Message-ID: <199501302209.OAA04804@netcom6.netcom.com>
>I seem to recall in the DT FAQ that one of the songs that DT has never >played live is Scarred. Well, for some reason I really like that song >and throughout the 1000 or so times that I have listened to it I have >noticed that there are times when it sounds like there is more then >one guitar playing in it, as well as many other effects. Can anyone tell >me why DT can't (!) or won't play it live....? And if they have played >it live, what boot can it be found on? Thanks! > >
It hasn't been played live cause they just haven't gotten around to practicing it or something like that...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ REAL: drkhoe@netcom.com + VIRTUAL: drkhoe@gnu.ai.mit.edu *@#$*@#$ *$%&%#$* The Dream Theater Archives: ftp.netcom.com: /pub/dr/drkhoe/dt &*@#$*@$ **%^$#$% WWW: "ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/dr/drkhoe/www/dthome.html" #$**@#*$ *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Worst song/innocence faded Message-ID: <Ej=NyQu00YUw0bG851@andrew.cmu.edu>
Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca> writes: > i agree that the outro is one of the best parts...that's the only > reason i still listen to innocence faded.
i wish people would take a really good listen to that song and learn to appreciate it. its a really beautiful piece of music, buti think people dont like it because they think it sounds poppy rather than the actual music itself. just because james sings "ahh" doesn't mean its pop or cheese. that song is filled with excellent melodies and brilliant composition. it annoys me that a lot of dream theater fans have a tendency to do this, i'm not saying everyone but its there, i felt the same way when i first heard the song. but DT fans should keep there minds open and not get into the pantera mindframe where if it isn't heavy its no good. DT requires open mindedness, people who say they like DT but they'd be better without the keyboards are full of shit. DT is dark, uplifting, heavy and light, but always excellent. they wouldn't be DT if awake consisted only of ciaw, the mirror, lie, and songs like that. its diversity and their ability to write excellent music that makes them who they are.
big ramble. my point, dt demands openmindedness, so before you label a song as cheese because it grooves or poppy because james sings 'ah' and its a major chord, give it another chance. dt grows on you. i hate IF and now its my favorite from the cd because i put the 'too poppy' mentallity out of my head and listened with a clean slate, so to speak. there isn't a single DT song after the majesty demos that i dont love.
its the same closed mindedness and unwillingness to listen that keeps people from getting into fates.
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home -cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html- guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:01:46 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: DT & related bands Message-ID: <cj=K7_G00YUrEWElF6@andrew.cmu.edu>
k3058e1@cxmeta.edvz.uni-linz.ac.at (Obiltschnig Guenter) writes: > Hi Yjmrs! > > Could you please stop discussing DT-related bands here! Since I'm > on this list, I've spend too much money on Rush, Yes and others > And you nearly got me to buy the Magellan "Impending Ascension" > CD (I've already listened to "Magna Charta" and I liked it... but I > can't buy 3 CDs every week).
i bought watchtower's control and resistence today, found it for $4 in a cut out bin on tape. i've listened to most of it and so far i'm amazed. the singer has an uncontrollable urge to scream, but i think he's kinda cool. the music is really awesome. reminds me of realm's suiciety, except this is good and not crap like that was. well, it wasn't crap, but it completely lacked direction... C&R is an awesome album and i highly recomend it for progmetal fans. i can tell the bass player was a big inspiration for myung, the middle of one of the songs reminds me of the intro to towhtsts or bombay vindaloo. the instrumentation is very intense and complex and wild, they have lots of energy, and are very creative. excellent album
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home -cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html- guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:57:08 -0500 From: buffalo@panix.com (c notes) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dream Theater Pays Homage... Message-ID: <v02110102ab52d76d6cb3@[198.7.7.109]>
Where Would You Like To Be Tuesday night, January 31st?
Dream Theater will be playing a VERY special engagement at Ronnie Scott's (a jazz club in London) tomorrow evening at 5:30PM. The set will last for 1 1/2 hours and feature songs written by Yes, Metallica, Genesis, Deep Purple, Marillion, Judas Priest, AND Led Zeppelin. Special guest performers will include: Steve Howe, Glenn Tipton of Judas Priest, Barney from Napalm Death, and members of Marillion.
OK, so some of you already know this--like I can keep up with you!
c man
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: YYSD@grove.iup.edu To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Genesis. Message-ID: <01HMGU5104WI8Y6CWI@grove.iup.edu>
to whoever that commented on the poor production quality of early Genesis albums. were these problems fixed on the remasters?
BTW, i must admit that i'm not particularly fond of IF either, but it's certainly not a bad song, and i like the sound of the triggered snare on I&W. i just think it's neat. :> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Viv dubbed: "Guru of Rock" (thanks Paige) Indiana Univ. of PA yysd@oak.grove.iup.edu
"No one that speaks German could be an evil man." --Side Show Bob's Parole Board.
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:40:56 PST From: drkhoe@netcom.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: 6:00 Message-ID: <199501310140.RAA24282@netcom15.netcom.com>
>wow.....i am very VERY surprised at the last digest and the posts from people >who think that 6:00 is about the least progressive piece on AWAKE.... > >VERY SURPRISED!! > >other than erotomania...6:00 is the MOST progressive piece on the new album... >it is definitely one of my favorites and IMHO there is no such thing as CHEESE >in this song...just try counting along with it...or more so... TRY PLAYING IT...some of the other songs have solos that contain more time changes and >technicality but as a whole, the rhythmic structure and melodic structure of >6:00 is extremely complex and i totally anticipating being able to look at a >transcription of this piece as soon as possible (complete, all parts, written out) > >this is my opinion and id be happy to take a closer listen to the songs on >awake and come up with specifics if anyone really doubts this... > >$.02 > >anthony kozar >akozar@uoft02.utoledo.edu >http://www.utoledo.edu/~akozar/
The underlying rhythm of 6:00 isn't cheasy but the vocals HAVE GOT TO GO!!! Give me a freakin break...
Mr. LaBrie and his wanna-be sleazy singing on it is truly irritating...
-The Doc
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:58:29 -0500 (EST) From: William T Bajzek <impaler+@CMU.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Worst song/ yongest fan Message-ID: <oj=NZ5600YUwQbG4h1@andrew.cmu.edu>
Jarrod Kamsey-Lewis <jarrodk@up.edu> writes: > Again, to all of you who are curious who the youngest fan is. Can > anyone beat my ten year old sister?
my 4 year old sister gets really excited when i play dream theater or fates warning for her, especially Images and Words and Perfect Symmetry.
under brooding skies and watchful eyes-william-bajzek-impaler@cmu.edu on convulsive seas of false urgency-----http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu we walk empty corridors in vain--------derek-------.edu/usr/wb2a/home -cds for sale: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/u/wb2a/cdsale.html- guitars, not-very-impressive backing vocals, and songwriter, aepithex
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Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 21:04:59 EST From: Michael Herring <mpherrin@mtu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Majesty Demos Message-ID: <9501310205.AA22543@maxwell11.ee.mtu.edu>
Hi anyone,
I'm new to the ytsejam mailing list so bear with me. I've been a fan of DT since WDADU and have recently found out about the Majesty demos and am looking for any and all information on procuring a copy for my collection.
-Michael Herring
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