YTSEJAM Digest 805
Today's Topics:
1) Stuff
by SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
2) Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro
by Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
3) Re: covers...
by jjens@site.gmu.edu (John Jens (CS 112))
4) Re: Awake vid!
by lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski)
5) Innocence Faded and Erotomania
by kinglerxst@RedShift.Com (Eric Crowder)
6) Unsuscribe !
by bourzeix@dialup.francenet.fr (stephane bourzeix)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 802
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Awake cover representations...
by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
9) Dominici
by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 803
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
11) ADMIN: How to leave Ytsejam
by listman@arastar.com (Anthor List Manager)
12) 2112
by "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
13) ARRRRGGGHHH!
by Deebor@aol.com
14) Please subscribe me
by box532@idirect.com (Allan)
15) ACOS lyric corrections
by Michael Robert Thaxton <mrt0002@jove.acs.unt.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 804
by YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON)
17) DT increasing your musical appreciation
by "Bird, Paul" <plb@cssg.dsto.gov.au>
18) To Live Forever on Subcon
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
19) Re: Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro
by A Humble Dream Theater Fanatic <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
20) YTSEJAM digest 804
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
21) T_SHIRTS
by Jason Giles <jgiles@crl.com>
22) The rhythm in The Mirror; Ayn Rand, etc.
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
23) Re: 2112
by Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com>
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:27:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: SPUDS <bunkerg@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.950501142138.13094A-100000@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>
Hey Hairball! I got one word for you...
AMEN!!!!!!!!!
Also, to the guy(huge apologies for not having your name) who
said that he didn't like the LFAGA and TOWHTSTS intros, I have two comments.
One, on LFAGA, if you don't like that intro, then its your
opinion and I completely understand.
But on TOWHTSTS, I hope I can clarify what I call the "intro". I
think of the intro to that song as the moment the drums and bass begin on
the odd-time rhythm to the point where the singing starts. I DON'T
really care for the bass and guitar harmonic intro over the rain sample.
Does this change your answer about TOWHTSTS?? Let me know!
Greg Bunker
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Date: Mon, 01 May 95 15:52:49 CST
From: Brandon Vaughn <EDLEADER@uwf.cc.uwf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro
Message-ID: <m0s62VR-0001n2C@donews.cts.com>
I just got my Awake TAB book today, and I thought
I'd give the specifics for those interested:
What:::::: Awake TAB book
Publisher: Warner Brothers
Cost:::::: $24.95
:::::::::: ALL songs tabbed out
Front cover reads: Edited by John Petrucci. Inside says
same and: Transcribed by Dale Turner and Jessie Gress.
The book is 157 pages of music. The seven string parts
are written as....seven string parts. No bass parts (like
I&W TAB book).
Keyboard parts notated and tabbed out: 6:00 (intro),
6:00 (solo), CIAW (intro), Erotomania (intro),
SDV (pretty much the whole thing), and various oddities.
I'm glad they transcribed the 7 string as that, even though
I only have a 6 string. I would rather use a pitch shift
than retune anyday!
Oh, for those who debated about the timing for Mirror, here
is what this book says:
4/4 (1st bar) 3/4 (2nd bar; drums enter) 12/8 (4X) 4/4 (7X)
2/4 (1X) 9/16 (1X) 4/4 (16X)
And no triplets; just 16th notes (well except for the 12/8
part). I didn't think this up, so if you don't like it,
tell Petrucci.
If you need the telephone number to Warner Bros., let me
know. That's where I got mine. Or order it from your
music store. Let's support these TAB books so they'll
release future ones later (and maybe even a WDADU TAB
book; though I doubt they'll do it, but who knows if there
is a potential market....).
So long faithful guitar slingers,
Brandon Vaughn ***** edleader@uwf.cc.uwf.edu *****
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 18:02:42 +0500
From: jjens@site.gmu.edu (John Jens (CS 112))
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: covers...
Message-ID: <9505012202.AA11905@strontium>
Mats wrotted:
> If you cover a DT-song, say PMU, do you do it good? I mean do you do all
> the complicated stuff or do you make it easier at parts? It takes some
> skill to play all DT-songs, and to do it well - uhhh...that's hard!
> Respect to all of you struggling with these harder covers and not just
> the runofthemill Green Day-Offspring-etc.
a band i was that broke up about a year ago covered PMU. it was only 1 of
a couple covers we did. my guitarist played it note for note, even the
keyboard solos (lack of a keyboardist called for it. i kinda prefered it that
way too). i played bass and i must admit that i indeed changed a coupla things;
sometimes to cover for the lack of keyboards; sometimes becuz of artistic
license (meaning i cudnt play the part ;) actually, the only part i really
couldn't play what John M. plays was the super fast part right before the
2nd(?) chorus. my poor lil fingers just couldn't move that fast :) so i'd play
the keyboard part, which sounded better bcuz it carried the main feel.
at one point we were going to cover UAGM but our drummer was a dork and too
lazy to practice it (the reason we broke up...bastard..."the worse thing in life
is wasted talent." - a Bronx Tale). anyhoo...
my guitarist and i messed around w/ playing the Ytse Jam and figured most of it
out. but alas, i am not the virtuoso that Mr. Myung is. so i'll stick to playing
Mr. Dibiase's fun lines :)
> If you are that skilled, do you write original material of the same kind,
> and if so, have you got a home-page with it sampled on, I'd like to hear!
> I know about Elan and they weremighty good, but I believe that there are
> others out there. Or do you not practice what you preach, do you play
> Nirvana-music the rest of the time (I like grunge-alternative-etc-shit, no
> offense!)
we wrote our own material. 90% of our set was original. i'll spare the details.
anyone interested enough (aka bored) can see my story at:
http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/polaris/polaris.html
about Nirvana: actually, at a gig, in front of 4 ppl, i switched to guitar,
guitarist to drums, drums to bass, other guitarist to vocals, vocals to guitar.
and then we played Smells Like Teen Spirit. well, we thought it was funny :)
to recap: DT roolz! and i can't play Mr. Myung's fast or flashy parts.
later,
-john
::::::::::John C. Jens, Jr.:::::::::::::::::::"You could make a choice,::::::::
:::::::::::jjens@gmu.edu:::::::::::::::::::::but you never learned to think."::
::http://www.site.gmu.edu/~jjens/:::::::::::::::::::-Fates Warning:::::::::::::
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 16:53:13 -0600
From: lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Awake vid!
Message-ID: <v01510100abcb169e4eca@[160.32.2.105]>
>I would like to know how to get a hold of the pro shot Japanese Awake
>pay-per-view video? I have sent a couple of inquiries to
>'box532@indirect.com' but have gotten no response and it said he is no
>such user. I would really like to get this and have bootlegs to trade so
>if anyone is interested and could help please email me at:
>
> markt@getnet.com
That's "box532@idirect.com".
___ <- notice no "n"
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 15:11:56 -0800 From: kinglerxst@RedShift.Com (Eric Crowder) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Innocence Faded and Erotomania Message-ID: <199505012123.OAA10647@axel.redshift.com>
>>Firstly, these songs have no other songs intertwined within them: >>Innocence Faded > >No Awake connection that I could locate, but there is a wonderful >arrangement of Rush's "Red Barchetta" during the final jam.
There is a connection between Innocence Faded and Erotomania. Actually, this is the only connection that I have found myself in Erotomania. The vocal melody in IF at 2:11 "Wearing apathetic displays, Sharing flesh like envy in cages" is repeated with they keyboards in Erotomania at 2:38. It's not exactly the same, but I believe it's intentional.
- Eric Crowder - kinglerxst@redshift.com
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:25:42 +0100 From: bourzeix@dialup.francenet.fr (stephane bourzeix) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Unsuscribe ! Message-ID: <v01510100abcaa6ebad0e@[199.174.156.1]>
Please,
UNSUSCRIBE ME FROM THE LIST.
STe. (bourzeix@dialup.franceNet.fr)
====================================================== "Wait for me Dragon, we'll meet in the sky, = By fire and magic i am sworn, Hell is calling! = We cannot be denied fly to the blackness of the storm= We must die to be reborn..." MANOWAR = ====================================================== bourzeix@dialup.FranceNet.fr
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 19:03:06 -0500 From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 802 Message-ID: <v01510100abcb226c1826@[199.232.46.229]>
hey guys,
I just got home from my bass lesson. I asked my teacher if he'd heard of Dream Theater and he said his band opened for DT at the Berklee Performance Center. Petrucci did a clinic before and he got to play with Petrucci and Steve Morse and some other guy I don't know. He thought Petrucci was a "real nice" player but he said the show was beyond loud. He said Myung had a wall of like 20 15" bass cabs and he couldn't make out anything. Berklee Performance Center holds about 1500 but he said they were set up to play a stadium. Anyway, I was telling him about some of the stuff on Awake and he said he might pick it up.
Marc Respass mer@sol.iii.net http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 18:23:04 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Awake cover representations... Message-ID: <01HPZX4HFDCY00FAR0@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
On the cover of "Awake" I see...
6:00 The clock in the moon reads this.
Caught in a Web Spider-web next to the mirror.
Innocense Faded The guy in the mirror is slightly transparent. Also, the mirror reflects what was once good (Beautiful blue sky, etc.) and now this innocence has faded in the the dark reality of today
(A Mind Beside Itself) The statue looks at itself as it was in the past
Erotomania The guy's face is all stressed out. =)
Voices Stressed face = voices conflicting within? =)
The Silent Man His stoic face shows an unwillingness to speak. The Mirror It's the centerpiece of the whole cover for God's sake!!!
Lie The beauty of youth's innocense has now become an ugly lie as we see today's shadowy reality.
Lifting Shadows off a Dream Could the statue be trying to lift off the shadows of his reality to uncover his former state of innocense, which he dreams about constantly?
Scarred Finding his plight futile, he remains in this shadowy world, desined to spend thousands on a psychiatrist to help him strip it all back and uncover his scars that he's had since he left his world of innocense.
Space Dye Vest Since I have no clue as to what a Space Dye Vest is, I'll just have to break it into parts. SPACE: Jupiter in the upper right hand corner gives the cover a spacey look. DYE: Um, you can only B.S. so far on this thing. I haven't a fuckin' clue. VEST: Could the statue be wearing a vest??? You could call it that.
Other observations:
Silouhetted in the background, I see a "Metropolis". The moon-clock could represent "Another Day" and "Take the Time" as well as "Under a Glass Moon" and "Wait for Sleep". This struggle with his past and the reality of today is his way of "Learning to Live". The statue is "Surrounded" in sand dunes. The dunes may pull at him, causing him to say "Argh! They're trying to Pull Me Under!"
I took a look at When Dream and Day Unite, and only saw one correlation: "Only a matter of time" with that moon-clock thing again.
One final thing: When I first bought Awake, I thought the statue was holding a torch. I guess however that he's just tugging at his beard or something. Does anyone know if this is an actual statue or just something the artist made up? Any thoughts as to who the face in the mirror might be? (Sans-hair of course...)
I always thought I was a master at bullshitting. I wonder if there's a contest or something for this. I could just submit this crap and possibly win it all!
Thanks to George who reminded me of all the neato stuff on the cover.
Synopsis: If it's not Scottish, it's CRAP!!!
.-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ Glyde@Vax1.Mankato.msus.edu | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-='
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Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 18:49:32 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Dominici Message-ID: <01HPZYV8HTYU00FAR0@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
>Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:56:54 -0500 >From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > >Dave, I listened to TOWHTSTS and paid special attention to 5:26. I don't >have any idea what you're saying. I'm not noticing any real obvious chord >progression and Dominici just sings a d minor scale. I don't think the >accompaniment is weak and I'm not wondering what "Chucky D." is doing. It >sounds like you just don't like Dominici.
True enough. =) That "Learrrrrrned" gripe was just an example of how he could maybe use some more training or something. And this second item here is just something that I have to deal with because I simply don't know how to describe it in a technical way. I tried and apparently it just didn't come across. Oh well. I think it's just me.
Basically, my whole post could have been condensed into "I don't like the way `Frizzy Chucky D.' sings..." But then I have to explain WHY and that's what gets me in trouble. Whatever. =)
Jam on!
.-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ Glyde@Vax1.Mankato.msus.edu | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-='
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 17:27:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 803 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505011720.C12978-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Mon, 1 May 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> > Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 14:12:53 +0200 (MET DST) > From: Mats Rydstr\vm <d94-mry@nada.kth.se> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: covers... > Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91N2.950501135235.1905A-100000@damned.nada.kth.se> [stuff deleted] > > Last thing...I attended a drum-clinic yesterday with Nicko McBrain from > Iron Maiden, and it was one of the funniest STANUPCOMEDY-type-shows I've > ever seen. This guy is just amazing. As for the drumming he said it > himself: "Well, maybe you would've learned a bit more on a Dave > Weckl-clinic", but I doubt that I hadn't been bored to death. ;-) > > Have Mike done any clinics? Nope, I don't think so. BUT Warner Bros. (the same folks that put out lots of drum transcriptions and the I&W tab) is talking to Mike out putting out an instructional video.
Younis Hilal > > --- > > /Mats
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Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 18:37:26 -0600 (CST) From: "DAVE \"The New #2\" PETERSON" <GLYDE@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU> To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: 2112 Message-ID: <01HPZYL8ARQK00FAR0@VAX1.MANKATO.MSUS.EDU>
As far as Rush, I only have "Chronicles". The Chronicles version of 2112 is 6:48 long and consists of about 4.5 minutes of an instrumental "Overture" and then the goofy lyrics of "The Temples of Syrinx". People keep praising this song as one of Rush's greatest. Do I just have a really condensed (bad) version of 2112 or should I just get a life and listen to the lyrics harder?
Just a-wundrin' .-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=. | ______ "Hmmmmmmm..." ____ ______ - David Peterson - | | /\_____\ /\ \ /\ /\___\ /\_____\ Glyde@Vax1.Mankato.msus.edu | | / /___ / / \/ / / / /\ /_/__ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=| | / /\__/\ / / / / / / / / /\____\ "The most beautiful thing that | | /_/___/ //_/___ / / /_/___/ / /_/____ this world has to offer is a | | \_____\/ \_____\ \/ \_____\/ \______\ woman's smiling face" - Me | `-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-='
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 19:56:03 -0400 From: Deebor@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ARRRRGGGHHH! Message-ID: <950501194207_103162309@aol.com>
Arrrgghhhh!!!!! I missed YtseJam #801, too!! Is anyone else having this problem?!!! Help! Is it possible for me to read these? Could someone just forward it to me or something?
Deebor.
Arrrrgghhhh!!!!
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 21:48:14 -0400 From: box532@idirect.com (Allan) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Please subscribe me Message-ID: <199505020148.VAA23375@lucid.idirect.com>
please subscribe me
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 21:54:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Robert Thaxton <mrt0002@jove.acs.unt.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ACOS lyric corrections Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.950501214705.12814A@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Parts of this tune have long plagued me, but I am certain about some parts that others seem unsure of. Here they are....
* trudged in the depths of winter snow [2:00] * In my den of inequity [3:25] * with desire unfulfilled (at least in the DOE version, I hear a very distinct "un" before the word) [10:00] * Utopia high in the sky [10:56]
What the heck is the last line before the closing section? "They all meet at twelve" and "the oft-beaten trail" don't do it for me...
mike thaxton mrt0002@jove.acs.unt.edu
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Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 22:32:36 EDT From: YBBX10C@prodigy.com (MISS JAIME K KIMPTON) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 804 Message-ID: <013.06099071.YBBX10C@prodigy.com>
After learning the source of the first sample in "Space-Dye Vest", I went out and rented "A Room With a View" <first time I've ever seen a movie with a good five minutes of total male nudity and it was NOT RATED!> I didn't catch the chord progression in the background music <I'm tone deaf to begin with> but I did pay particular attention to the scene from which the major sample is taken. I understand it a lot more after watching the man to whom George Emerson is referring. But I couldn't help but do a double take at watching such a heartfelt profession of love from _Julian Sands_, demon man defined from the two Warlock movies. <G>
Jaime the Dragon
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Date: Tue, 02 May 95 12:15:00 CST From: "Bird, Paul" <plb@cssg.dsto.gov.au> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: DT increasing your musical appreciation Message-ID: <2FA69326@msmail.dsto.gov.au>
Greetings and salutations, fellow ytsejammers!
This post is for those of you who are NOT musical gurus who play 7 instruments in an amazing band (am I the only one who doesn't?). Have any of you non musical types found that after listening to DT for a while, your general appreciation of other music increased? I found that after "discovering" DT and enjoying their great music, I went back and listened to many other artists with more appreciation and insight into their work. Conversely, I think I'm soon going to find that some music I listen to WASN'T as good as I thought it was.
Examples of the former category for me were: Queen, Tori Amos. No specific artists for the latter category, but I haven't listened to much besides DT for a while, since my newly purchased I&W (I can't get enough of this album. Most CD's will eventually wear thin for me, with me perhaps returning to them every once in a while, but this is always amazing!) and Awake CD's have a habit of hogging the CD player.
By the way, one thing that has amazed me about DT is Mike's drumming! I've heard amazing vocals and guitar work before, but never drums like that! Sorry to bore you ppl that is old news to, but I just had to let it out. I get sick of hearing "Dream Theater? Who?". (or worse, after a bit of a listen, "just more heavy metal crap.")
Post your thoughts, ppl!
l8r
Paul Bird Paul.Bird@dsto.defence.gov.au Kent Brockman - "Mr. Simpson, what do you say to claims that the union movement is a lumbering dinosaur?" Homer - "Aaaaaaaaaaaargh!" Kent Brockman - "Ummm .... My producer is telling me not to talk to you any more....Mr Burns, you mentioned you wanted an opening tirade?"
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 00:21:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: To Live Forever on Subcon Message-ID: <199505020421.AAA17479@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I just had a question for Mike Bahr and anyone else that has Subcon CD already. Is the version of To Live Forever that is on there at the proper speed? I have a tape of the vocalist auditions ( I think I got it from Mike Burstin) and the few songs that James does are sped up a bit, thats way he sounds like 15 year old girl! :) I have a 4 track record with a pitch knob which slows down the tape speed and therefor also lowers the pitch. When I played James' songs back with the pitch turned down a bit, he sounds like he normally does, not as high.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Is your copy of the Vocalist tapes like this? Is Subcon like this?
Does anyone have all 3 of James' songs in their entirity? I have Forever, Learing to Live and Take the Time. I think it is TtT that is last and it cuts out at the end of the instrumental section.
BTW - to the person who wrote in the last 'jam about the odd times in The Mirror. The only part that is in a odd time is one measure right around when the drums first come in while the guitar is playing. But once the drums come in with the steady beat (bass 1+3, snare 2+4), everything is in 4/4.
this is the part that is repeated from 0:06 to 0:14
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 guitar xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx b drum x x x x snare x x x x
this is what starts at 0:15
1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 guitar xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx b drum x x x x snare x x x x
The only part that is a bit odd is right before the 0:06 part above when the drums come. Everything else is straight forward as you can see.
I guess 11 years of drum lessons just reading rythmes instead of pitches helps out in that department. :)
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 23:30:33 -0500 (CDT) From: A Humble Dream Theater Fanatic <polzin@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Re: Awake TAB Update / Mirror Intro Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.90.950501232931.19834A-100000@glibm11.cen.uiuc.edu>
On Mon, 1 May 1995, Brandon Vaughn wrote: > are written as....seven string parts. No bass parts (like > I&W TAB book).
Did I misunderstand something? Does the I&W book have bass parts or doesnt it? I thouhgt I remembered people saying there was no bass parts transcribed. Ed Polzin
WWW: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~polzin/ polzin@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu polzin@coewl.cen.uiuc.edu polzin@par0060.urh.uiuc.edu polzin@ripco.com
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Date: Tue, 02 May 95 00:00:15 EST From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 804 Message-ID: <9505020000.D6256yJ@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
I noticed on the net the interview with DT, that they enjoy playing IRON MAIDEN covers. I would really like to hear that! How can we encourage them to play some MAIDEN at a show?
QR is comming May 2nd to Kansas City! Im seeing them tomm night! I cant wait. I just bought the new QR cd. I like it.
see ya
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Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:59:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: The rhythm in The Mirror; Ayn Rand, etc. Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505012248.B25945-0100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Mon, 1 May 1995 ytsejam@arastar.com wrote:
> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:21:42 -0500 > From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass) > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: The rhythm in The Mirror > Message-ID: <v01510100abcac84e2e53@[199.232.46.229]> > > I think I've finally figured out what the hell is going on rhythmically in > The Mirror! [stuff deleted involving superimposing time signatures, etc.] I actually got it myself a couple of months ago, through a hint that somebody dropped on the DT newsgroup. I don't know anything about time signatures and all that, so what I did is just write "XXX XXX XXX" over and over again for the guitar and bass notes. Under that, at the correct spots, I scribbled in "B" for bass drum, and "S" for snare, and I could finally SEE what the hell was going on. Before that, I was just bewildered and was wondering why Portnoy was fucking around and why it seemed to work so well. Ever since then, I've been showing that to people, adding (casually:)), "My favorite band is Dream Theater and this is the kind of stuff they do. Nacho ordinary heavy metal band, huh?" I actually surprised a couple of people, who couldn't believe that a metal band would (or could!) do something like that. > > Marc Respass > mer@sol.iii.net > http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html > > > > Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 12:40:42 -0500 > From: Ryan J Benedict <rbenedic@gac.edu> > To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com > Subject: Ayn Rand, etc > Message-ID: <199505011740.MAA04727@mora.gac.edu> > > David John Baranski wrote in Y-Jam 802 > > <<(nor do I plan to get it [WDADU] - DT without LaBrie > is not DT)>> > > Is Dream Theater without Kevin Moore DT? > > Just curious. That is strictly up to you. I think that's a pretty personal question and will vary a lot from person to person. As for myself, I just think of DT as the band that Mike P. happens to be involved with right now. If HE ever leaves DT, I probably will dump DT too. > > Nypsie Younis "Yup, I worship Mike" Hilal
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Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 01:25:01 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <garion@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: 2112 Message-ID: <199505020825.BAA05550@bud.indirect.com>
> As far as Rush, I only have "Chronicles". The Chronicles version of 2112 > is 6:48 long and consists of about 4.5 minutes of an instrumental "Overture" > and then the goofy lyrics of "The Temples of Syrinx". People keep praising this > song as one of Rush's greatest. Do I just have a really condensed (bad) version > of 2112 or should I just get a life and listen to the lyrics harder?
Very condensed. All of 2112 is 20:47 in length, and comprises a lyrical and musical journey that Rush never Quiiiiiiite reached again. (though their other epic efforts, Lamneth, Xanadu, Hemispheres, et al, were definitely worthwhile). The first overture sets the theme for the whole piece, much like a classical overture. The Temples is the most bone-crushing part of the 2112 epic, and not representative of the whole. It represents the antagonists of the story. You never get to hear the plot development, climax, or conclusion on Chronicles... only on 2112. I feel if you pick up a copy of 2112, you will be pleasantly surprised.
Mike Bahr, garion@indirect.com
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