YTSEJAM Digest 813
Today's Topics:
1) The Mirror
by "CC. Butterworth" <cb4197@bristol.ac.uk>
2) parsecs
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Fates Warning/Ray Alder
by APJ <japhet@terrapin.rutgers.edu>
4) Singing - range and warm-ups
by HuntNKill@aol.com
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Re: The Mirror GUITAR rhythm
by lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski)
9) Re: The Mirror --> Learning to Live
by lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski)
10) Re: Ross666 and copyright
by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke)
11) Summer tour (fwd)
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
12) ANDY'S SET LIST
by nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu>
13) Re: The Mirror
by Robert C Devereux <nero+@CMU.EDU>
14) stuff
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
by "Adam m. Cook" <adamc@shore.net>
16) Subcon Review
by atkinsro@ix.netcom.com (Rick Atkinson)
17) Re: RAY IS LEAVING FATES.... NO
by MattyMo@aol.com
18) Setlist?
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
19) To Live Forever
by Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>
20) article and Mirror comments
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 14:00:59 +0100 (BST)
From: "CC. Butterworth" <cb4197@bristol.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: The Mirror
Message-ID: <11336.9505061301@irix.bris.ac.uk>
Everyone seems to be going on about this damn thing, so I thought I'd
contribute my tuppence worth. :D
JP's rhythm remains the same throughout the song (I think), but the time
signature of the song as a whole rebounds between 4/4 and 12/8 for the
most part. However, the rhythm does not directly translate from one time
sig to another in the song - one semiquaver (16th note) in the 4/4
section (JP alone right at the start) corresponds to one quaver (8th note)
in the 12/8 section. The thing is, though, JP's rhythm tempo remains the
same - the lengths of the notes are the same, but their _notated_ lengths
change, so that when MP comes in with the drums at the increased 12/8
tempo, a kind of syncopated effect occurs with JP's rhythm - he's playing
the same thing at exactly the same speed as he was before, but the
overall increase in tempo (the _feel_) makes it sound different.
4/4 3/4 12/8
Count 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 4 1 2
JP *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
MP ^^^ ^^^ ^^^ _ ^ _ ^ _ ^ _ ^
* = JP's HUGE B power chords
^ = Snare drum
_ = Bass drum
IF you actually play the thing on the guitar without any accompaniment,
you can't tell where the transition between time sigs is, because you're
still playing exactly the same rhythm.
I think what DT decided to do was take JP's 4/4 rhythm and deliberately
changed the note lengths to quavers in a coupound time signature to get
that syncopated effect - the original rhythm has been overlayed onto the
new time sig and the result is what you hear. This is quite difficult to
explain.
A couple of times during the song, it sounds like DT are only playing
half-bars (half-measures), but in fact, they've changed back to the 4/4
feel without MP changing his rhythm (I think - I'm trying to remember the
song off the top of my head) and he's the one who ends up playing
syncopated - it gets a bit confusing if you're trying to mosh to the damn
thing! I think one example of this kind of thing is at the end of the
verse that begins "How could you be so cruel..." - just before the chorus
"It's time for me to deal... " or what ever he says... I don't really pay
much attention to the lyrics.
OK. Hope this has been of use.
See ya later!
Cassian Butterworth: cb4197@bris.ac.uk
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 11:18:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: parsecs
Message-ID: <199505061518.LAA01008@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Very good, John C. Jens! Unfourtunately, you used too much information
in your answer, and are therefore disqualified form winning the prize, an
Ibanez USA custom guitar w/ JP's autograph, but excellent work anyway!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
<"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is >
<Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." >
<they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT >
<the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!">
<was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103>
<--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show>
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Oh, just kidding about that prize... ;)
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 11:18:50 -0400
From: APJ <japhet@terrapin.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Fates Warning/Ray Alder
Message-ID: <199505061518.LAA19319@terrapin.rutgers.edu>
Can anyone confirm this posting on alt.music.metal?
>Hey all... according to Ray's girlfriend (a friend of a friend), Ray and
>Fates have parted ways. Apparently, the band was ready to begin working
>on their next album, and asked Ray if he was interested. He said not
>really, and that was that.
>That's the story I got from my friend, sorry that it's kinda vague, but
>she didn't know the right questions to ask. ;) I've met Ray's
>girlfriend before, so this is a credible source.
>Bummer, huh..?
>--D
APJ
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 11:40:43 -0400
From: HuntNKill@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Singing - range and warm-ups
Message-ID: <950506114042_109123981@aol.com>
Dear singing jammers,
Hey, what's up? I have a question for the singers on this list. What type
of exercises and warm-ups do you use in the morning? I can only reach a high
E in the morning.
Also, what is to best way to increase the singing range? My range really
sucks for a tenor, I can only reach a high G. BTW, I never make my voice
rough like how LaBrie does it in songs like Lie and Mirror. My style is more
Miss Saigon (Chris) like and Aladdin (Brad Kane) like. So, any help would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Air Dance: Man, how long did it take you to type out the interview w/ Mike
P.?
Bafu Vai: Any relation to Steve?
Yours,
Jeff =)
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 13:50:31 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
Message-ID: <v01510100abd16e849f83@[199.232.46.229]>
>As for the "Inside Outside" part - boy that's gonna be a long one
>- I'll mail it as soon as it's done - Y'all do so as well.
>
>Aviad.
Oh man. I can't make it out. It sounds like the bass is playing along with
the guitar so you could try to figure out the guitar part but I'm having a
hard time making out the subtle notes in there. They keep getting covered.
Good luck.
>"The problem now is: -
> The B-quad-4 Fretted or the B-Quad-4 Fretless?" - A.H.
Go for a 5 string fretless! You'll be the man then :)
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 13:50:35 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
Message-ID: <v01510101abd16fc6eb09@[199.232.46.229]>
"Brian V. Cox" <bvc8995@tam2000.tamu.edu> wrote:
>ok, someone posted last digest about the setlist they wanted for the upcoming
>tour that hopefully will happen after the EP release.
>
>this is a decent thread to start, i guess, so here is mine:
>
>(Simpsons intro music)
>6:00 (with IF ending)
>Surrounded
>Caught in a Web
>Mission: Impossible theme
>Light Fuse and Get Away
>Ytsejam (with drum solo)
>Wait for Sleep (arranged for classical guitar)
>Learning to Live
>****break****
>Eve (played from tape)
>A Change of Seasons
>To Live Forever
>Only a Matter of Time
>Scarred
>Metropolis
>****Encore****
>A Mind Beside Itself
>
>sooner or later, they *must* revive the wdadu material. they just have to!!
Oh man. I would love to see this show! And I agree that they should keep
playing the WDADU stuff but Portnoy said they proably won't because they
don't need to. They have enough material already. The only consolation is
that Rush started playing old stuff on the last couple of tours so maybe DT
will play more WDADU on the tour for their 6th album.
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 13:50:39 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 812
Message-ID: <v01510102abd172127548@[199.232.46.229]>
"Brian J. Wherry"
<WB81%LAFAYACS.bitnet@lafibm.lafayette.edu> wrote:
>Okay, okay, I'll put my two cents in on the Mirror intro. Ready?
Why only 2 cents? Everyone only gives 2 cents to this discussion. I think
it's worth much more :).
>1) No tempo change.
Depends how you write it.
>2) No polyrhythms.
Oh yes. It's a big polyrhythm. But. Depending on how you write it, you
could just call it a syncopation
>3) There is a time change -- 4/4 to 3/4 and back and so on.
>
>That's it!!
Weellll...
[snip]
>The 3/4 part: 1 2 3
> xxx xxx xxx
> B S B S
Yeah! The way you've written it, you're superimposing a 4/4 over the 3/4.
You have the drums playing a downbeat every 3 16th notes which gives the
drums 4 downbeats (4/4). The guitar is playing in 3/4. That's how I
originally heard it.
>So you see, it's just a 3/4 with the snare, bass, and high-hats thrown
>in at times to make it sound like 6/8 (which it could be, or 12/16, or
>24/32, etc.). The sixteenth note stays the same. No tempo change.
The book has it in 12/8 which makes a lot of sens. In that case there is a
tempo change and the 8th in the 12/8 equals the previous 16th in the 4/4.
[snip again]
>
>Don't worry about the Mathematics all the time: if you can FEEL it, just
>do it!!
Agreed. But I had to know what it was (can anyone tell that I'm an
obsessive/compulsive? This, I promise, is the last you'll hear from me on
this subject :).
Marc Respass
mer@sol.iii.net
http://www.iii.net/users/mer.html
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 12:51:48 -0600
From: lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: The Mirror GUITAR rhythm
Message-ID: <v01510100abd17550d93e@[160.32.2.102]>
>Hello everyone,
>
>Myself and Steve (the light years guy) have been in an argumemnt about this
>ever since Awake came out. I'm asking for as many opinions as I can on
>this. Most of you seem to agree that Portnoy changes the tempo as Petrucci
>plays on. Now....does that mean that if you could turn off all of the
>other instruments and could only hear the guitar, that the triplets would
>not change pace or tempo at all? What does everyone think? Maybe my mind
>is playing tricks on me....
Yes! Petrucci plays exactly the same rythm with no changes! Portnoy just
changes around him and everything sounds different. It took me a while to
be convinced of this also. But I play guitar and I found you can play like
the rythm from The Mirror and tap your foot to the different drum beets and
keep the guitar rythm exactly the same. It takes a little while to get the
coordination down, but your mind can do it. :)
>--Jeff (that guy)
>
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>"open to all parties, but influenced by none"
>
> -Isaiah Thomas (no, not the basketball guy)
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 12:55:56 -0600 From: lark@cvfn.org (Jon Larkowski) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: The Mirror --> Learning to Live Message-ID: <v01510101abd17643127e@[160.32.2.104]>
>While some people are on the subject of The Mirror's cool opening rhythm, >I thought I'd mention how impressed I've always been with the intro to >Learning to Live. I can always find 4 or 5 different rhythms to tap my >foot to when I'm listening to this song. Dream Theater is so cool...
I'm glad somebody noticed this also! I could only count four however. Anyway it's really fun to play the keyboard part on guitar because there's and extra note in there (excuse me for not know time sigs, but I know how to feel them out). Anyway the bass is also on a different rythm from the drums and guitar. That 9th chord on the guitar is fun to hit in that polyrythm too.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 11:41:39 -0700 From: pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Ross666 and copyright Message-ID: <v02110101abd1620770e8@DialupEudora>
This thread got a bit long for me to feel justified in quoting it all, so please forgive.
Jennifer's original statement about Ross666, while possibly a mite harsh, came down to "Kevin asked that the demos be distributed for the cost of reproduction only. Don't pay more for it - these people are making a buck off Kevin's generosity. If you want a copy, I can tell you where to get it for the cost of a tape." Maybe this info should go into the FAQ - enough time has passed that new people are popping up with "What's this about Kevin's demos?" questions. Not enough people read the FAQ, I know, but it might help.
As to posting Ross666's PO Box - I've got mixed feelings about that, and it will probably only be wasted space for me to go into that right now.
I do need to comment on the legality/ copyright dispute, though. First, the context:
Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu>: > > Jennifer <AirDance@aol.com>: > > > >After all, what he's doing is illegal in the first place & he's probably > >making a profit from it. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the > >doubt for now. > > As far as I can tell, were he to make many many copies and then sell them, > it would be illegal. Selling his one and only Kevin Moore demo to someone > else would not be illegal. Furthermore, if you are working from a copy > only, is it illegal? Another anonymous individual on this list mailed me a > copy of the demo a few months ago. It's got a j-card covered with computer > printing of the song listing, with the title of the work. ("Kevin Moore - > Music Meant To Be Heard, Etc.") There is not a word of copywright > information on this thing. It's a Maxell 90-minute cassette, with > someone's printout of the song list and title serving as a cover. It's a > copy. Not that I'm going to, but were I to make many many copies of an > UNcopywrighted piece of music, such as THIS TAPE, I could sell them for > profit. Is that illegal? Who would be guilty? Me or the person who mailed > me this tape and left out the copywright information? Or both of us? > > Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>: > > > >Until you actually realize what this person did... He was _SELLING_ the > >Kevin Moore Demos, which were, by the entire distribution system, dubbed > >and meant to be give for the COST OF A TAPE. This disclaimer was also > >included with every copy of the demos made, and I find what Ross did to >be > >EXTREMLY shameful. > > Yes, it's shameful. But again, I received no such documentation with my > copy. So I'm deaf and dumb, right? I can't do wrong, right? I can act as > that guy did since I'm justified, since I didn't receive this disclaimer > with my copy? Or would it be proper to simply blame the guy who mailed me > my copy?
1) My copy does have copyright notification.
2) It doesn't matter whether or not your copy has the copyright notification - the music on that tape was copyrighted as soon as it put on the original tape by Kevin. The copyright notification and registration is only necessary to receive monetary compensation (through the legal system) for copyright infringement. _Everything_ original I put to tape, paper, whatever medium, is my intellectual property. (Sadly, electronic format such as what you're reading right now is still being debated as a "gray area".)
3) Since everything original is copyrighted at the moment of creation, yes, it is illegal for you to redistribute someone else's work for profit. Is it worth it to pay exorbitant legal fees to stop you from selling a couple dozen copies of the demos? Probably not. If I (as owner of said copyright) request that you stop, and you blatantly disregard that request, I would probably go legal as a matter of principle (but that's just me :^) Both the distributor and recipient are guilty of copyright infringement (cf. possession of stolen goods), but the primary concern is usually to stop the redistribution, so they would prefer to work their way up the distribution chain, much like the junkie/drug dealer plots in Miami Vice-type shows/movies.
If somebody really wants to pay more than the price of tape/shipping, well, it's your money, sucker. You could get a lower generation copy for less dough. Frankly, as much as like this tape, if I had paid somebody $15 for the demos, I would have felt ripped off. It's "not quite ready for prime time" - some of the stuff could use some fleshing out, and of course some rip-roaring solos :^) and that's why Kevin chose to distribute it cheap. All of the songs have potential, and I will buy Kevin's next commercial venture without hesitation.
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 14:23:30 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Summer tour (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950506142240.15646A-100000@emcity>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 15:18:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Dietr Miller <ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu> To: "John T. Nguyen" <jtnguyen@kirk.cs.twsu.edu> Subject: Summer tour
This set list is from ANDREW MILLER (who the hell is this Nguyen guy). Me and my friend were trying to come up with an exceptable set list for the Summer tour. I thought his was a little long and no Pull Me Under, come on!!! Well mines long to but constructed a little different. Tell us what you think.
Pull Me Under (10:00) 6:00 (6:00) Take the Time (10:00) Caught in a Web (10:00) (w/ shorter drum solo) Metropolis II (10:00) Scarred (12:00) -----Intermission----- The Mirror (7:00) Lie (7:00) Change of Seasons (20:00) Another Day (7:00) A Mind Beside Itself (25:00) --------Encores------- Eve (6:00) Metropolis (10:00)
Andrew Miller ytsejam@strauss.udel.edu University of Delaware
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 14:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: nguyen john t <jtnguyen@cs.twsu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: ANDY'S SET LIST Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950506142342.15646B-100000@emcity>
This is John Nguyen again, I just found out from one of my friends that if you own a PANASONIC 3DO machine, you can purchase VIDEO CDS that play the videos along with the music. This machine is supposed to be a sort of SEGA-like contraption, but it can also play movies and music. This friend of mine told me that he was getting a "video-cd" of AWAKE that plays weird graphics along with most of the songs and the three videos off of that album: LIE, SILENT MAN, and CAUGHT IN A WEB. I about lost bladder control when he told me this and I asked him if he was just fucking with my head, he swore over and over that he was sincere. I don't know, has anyone heard of this?
Tonight I'm awake, JOHN NGUYEN
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert C Devereux <nero+@CMU.EDU> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: The Mirror Message-ID: <gjeyRmG00iVGE6WYBH@andrew.cmu.edu>
Here's a section of the Drum interview with Mike Portnoy. Hopefully it will clear up some of this discussion.
> DRUM!: In "The Mirror" you apply a couple of different drum grooves to a > steady figure played by the guitar, giving the illusion that the whole riff > has changed when, in fact, it hasn't. > > Portnoy: That intro was something I came up with, just changing the beats > around under that one rhythm. Without those guys ever changing, I change > from a triplet pattern to a 16th-note thing and then I yank one of the > eighth-notes off of it and turn it around. That's just me having fun with > numbers.
Rob Devereux | Do you wanna make people's head's explode? nero+@CMU.EDU | Sure, we all do (MST3K) http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/rd3z/home.html
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 17:22:16 -0400 (EDT) From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <199505062122.RAA24112@umbc9.umbc.edu>
All right, all this arguing going back and forth about that ROS666 guy is starting to piss me off. He did something that wasn't very nice <though it was no fault of his own> and he stopped when he found this out. I don't care which one of the parties involved in this <and you know who you are> started it or what, but I'm getting a little tired of being on the "copy- right infringement mailing list." I know it's not just about selling the demos, but the whole address thing as well. The Kevin Moore demos are a privelidge of people on the Internet, but confidentiality of someone's mailing address is a privelidge as well, and with all privelidges, there is going to be someone out there who abuses it. I wouldn't have posted any kind of mailing address to the list, but I think all of us on the jam have the _maturity_ not to fill his mailbox w/ harrassment, hate mail, manure, or whatever. We should not be reading 500 or more lines about this every day. <We should be reading 500 lines about the time signature of Mirror:) > Seriously, let's put this "ROS666/ Jeremy Haynes" issue to bed, or at least get it off the list and into personal mail or something...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <"...Thought disorder; ___ ___ ___ _ _ ___ ___ "Balls and chunk is > <Dream control. Now | __||_ _|| __|| V || __| |_ | where it's at." > <they read my mind on |__ | | | | __| \ / | __| / / --Mike Portnoy, LiT > <the radio...But where|___| |_| |___| V |___| |___|"I think SpontanUity!"> <was the Garden of Eden?" szebro1@gl.umbc.edu --John Petrucci, X103> <--John Petrucci, Voices Radio Show> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
BTW: of course it's in 12/8!!!
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 18:09:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Adam m. Cook" <adamc@shore.net> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 812 Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505061810.A13962-0100000@shore.shore.net>
About John's use of 7 string. Some guy said that he only uses it on, Mirror, CiaW, and Lie. But the second riff in 6:00 on Awake is 7 string! I would also not be surprised if he would add tecture witht he 7 string once in a while, listen for it and report your findings...
adam
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 15:14:37 -0700 From: atkinsro@ix.netcom.com (Rick Atkinson) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Subcon Review Message-ID: <199505062214.PAA25669@ix4.ix.netcom.com>
Well, since I just received Subcon today, I guess I will answer my own question of what Subcon is really like and give my first impressions.
Eve: What a pretty song. I have the version on the Silent Man single, but this version is even better with the lyric samples. I like it also because it is such a change of pace for DT. Very laid back.
ACOS: Well, today I got to hear this song for the very first time and I wasnt disappointed. I just cannot believe they have not released it yet. I guess since it is so long they decided to wait till an EP. Anyway, I love the constant changes in it. It's a very dynamic song filled with excellent instrumental passages. Also, I think Labrie sounds pretty damn good throughout the whole song.
Holy Night: For some reason, Charlie (This is Charlie isnt it?) sounds alot better than on WDADU. This is great though, now I have a DT song to play during Christmas. Maybe next they'll do a Christmas album :-).
Carry That Weight: DT does The Beatles! It's good to hear them do a cover song like this. Complete w/ a DT instumental passage.
Dont Look Past me: After listening to this, I really wonder why they never used it on an album. (I guess there just wasnt room on I&W or Awake). The one fault I have w/ this song is the vocals (Is it John Hendricks?). His voice reminds me of songs I would hear sung in a church or something. I would love to hear Labrie sing it. Maybe they'll revive it one day.
WD or A: Hilarious!
To Live Forever: DT unplugged! This is cool to hear a more stripped down approach from them. Just acoustic guitars and piano. I wonder what other songs would sound good this way.
Gorilla Sessions: This is some guitar noodling done by John. For some reason when I play around like this on my guitar it doesnt sound quite as good as this.
Mission Impossible: Like the title says. DT's version of Mission Impossible.
Back Pain: A jam from the Awake tour w/out Mike.
Heavy: Here is a full band jam that sounds good. Derek sounds impressive since this is my first time hearing him play. He's got big shoes to fill though...
Experimental: This is a glimpse of John trying to put a song together on an acoustic guitar.
Tears: Mike Bahr, I dont know how you got a hold of this but this is great! I've never been a huge Rush fan, but I love this! After hearing this I'd like to hear some more of the covers they did at this show (Perfect Strangers, some Yes, Marillion). The quality is very good on this too. Great job, Mike!
Winter: Another one of the covers... I really like Tori Amos so this was interesting to hear. I have never heard Labrie sing like this.
Mystery Track: I have no clue what this is.
I think this is quite an accomplishment what Mike has done here. As far as which two body parts to give you, well, what if I just buy you dinner next time you are in Atlanta, Mike. Thanks again,
Rick A
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 18:35:32 -0400 From: MattyMo@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: RAY IS LEAVING FATES.... NO Message-ID: <950506183530_109433676@aol.com>
:I just read a rumor that Ray was asked by the rest of the band if he :was intersted in going into the studio for the next album and Ray :said no!! Has anyone else heard anything about this? :How about our friends at Metal Blade - any info in this?
I talked to Metal Blade yesterday about Fates and they said that there wont be a tour because one of the members' family is very sick and that they will be back in the studio at the end of the summer. Ray is writing for the album and the new one should be out late this year or early next year.
Matt
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 15:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Setlist? Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505061514.A1573-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
Okay, here's my "dream" setlist for the upcoming tour:
A Fortune In Lies Status Seeker The Ytse Jam The Killing Hand Light Fuse And Get Away Afterlife The Ones Who Help To Set The Sun Only A Matter Of Time Pull Me Under Another Day Take The Time Surrounded Metropolis Part 1
break/intermission
Under A Glass Moon Wait For Sleep Learning To Live 6:00 Caught In A Web Innocence Faded Erotomania Voices The Silent Man The Mirror Lie Lifting Shadows Off A Dream Scarred Space-Dye Vest
encore:
Eve A Change Of Seasons To Life Forever
Yup, that should satisfy every fan... :)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 16:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <silenzio@elwha.evergreen.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: To Live Forever Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505061631.A3677-0100000@elwha.evergreen.edu>
(1995 Lie single version)
If I'd started from the top, and worked my way down, There'd be no reason to live forever... To Live Forever...
The starvation has turned me outside-in, And the wind has blown me halfway 'cross the world, Across the world...
Why was I born in an age of distrust? I'd offer some change for a photograph, It'll always stay the same. It will always be the same...
Until I show desire for revenge, My hunger will waste me to sleep. As long as I have to die in the attempt, Then there is no reason To Live Forever...
I found you where they left you, there, A passing word that's gone forever, And searching my memory for answers, I saw the words of a letter you wrote...
She said, "You don't have to live forever, You don't want to live forever," And everything's changing now, I don't want...
To Live Forever...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 21:07:49 -0600 (MDT) From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: article and Mirror comments Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9505052045.A1432-0100000@casual1>
First of all I'd like to say thanks to Jennifer for that interesting article on Mike Portnoy!
Comments about the Mirror. In my opinion Petrucci is playing the same rhythm (3 16th notes) and Portnoy is changing rhythm. HOWEVER, when the keyboard kicks in, I believe there is a tempo change in what Petrucci is playhing. By this I mean if you were to count how many notes he played in a minute with the different rhythms you would get different numbers. When the keys kick in, I sense a slowing of tempo. If they screwed around with time sigs you could probably arrive at the same thing.
As far as 6:00 goes, I play the end part this way (guitar or bass):
--------------------- --------------------- --------------------- -------------------0- ---2-5--0-2-5--1-2--- -3-------------------
For you bassist (Jeremy) even your way it could be:
----------------------- ----------------------- ----------------------- -----------------0-2--- ---2-5--0-2-5--2------- -3---------------------
I like the Bb version because it sounds good to me and in that tune there are a lot of chromatic riffs (guitar/keyboard parts). Also the last note of the 3-note group is consistently D like a pedal point type thing. Anyways, that's my way!
Will
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