YTSEJAM digest 1143

Date: Sun Nov 19 1995 - 18:17:59 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) T-shirts
     by IKKLESTICK <>
      2) Fan-Club Bootlegs
     by Michael Backof <>
      3) Quote this?
     by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
      4) Musical Trends - Is Prog Metal the next big thing?!?
     by Michael Backof <>
      5) Intriguing noise in ACoS/live trades
     by Dan Kidney <>
      6) Re: Lie Quick Time Video? Help!!!
      7) Re: Moshing by the DT authority - A response
     by (Stacie Rosenzweig)
      8) Re: Survey results...
     by (Stacie Rosenzweig)
      9) Re: Moshing
     by borlangw <>
     10) Lifting Shadows Web Page
     by Jeff Chew <>
     11) Fucking IDIOTS! Where were you? :)
     by Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
     12) IRC - #ytsejam!
     by (Lars Hellsten)
     13) Songs for DT to cover....
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
     14) Metallica Question/AD/T-shirts
     by (Marc Contrady)
     15) Official bootleg and fanclub ideas
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1136
     by (Spence)
     17) ACK!!! IRC news!
     by (Ktulu)
     18) Metalking (interperate it how you like)
     by (Ktulu)
     19) RE: Trey's #'d comments
     20) ...and then I looked at Jam 1138 (skip this if you're paying for it)
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
     21) The Beatles
     22) The poll, and other things
     by Michael Bahr <>
     23) Best selling album
     by Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
     24) Re: Forwarded mail....
     by Damon M. Fibraio <>
     25) trivia stuff...
     by Bigman <>
     26) Concept albums..........
     by (Carlo D'Angelo )
     27) Umm.. God?
     28) Mike Portnoy at Drum Day LA - A Review!
     by (King Lerxt #1 @8851)


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:06:34 -0500 (EST)
    From: IKKLESTICK <>
    Subject: T-shirts
    Message-ID: <>

            I know this might be kind of late to ask, but I was wondering where I
    might be able to get these Dream Theater t-shirts, the ones with the glow in
    the dark "Let the light surround you..." on it. E-mail me personally,
    please!!! Thanks...... Ikklestick


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:40:43 -0500 (EST)
    From: Michael Backof <>
    Subject: Fan-Club Bootlegs
    Message-ID: <>

    Hello Jammers,

            Someone brought up the fan-club bootlegs that Marillion does on
    their Racket label and said that this should be a pattern for Dream
    Theater to emulate in getting releases out to the public that would not
    normally be released by the record companies. I thought about this a
    while back and about 1 1/2 years ago I mailed Dan Sherman who along with
    his wife Dana handle The Web USA, which is the USA Marillion fan club.
    They distribute these disks to fan club members. I mailed Dan to try and
    get some idea how Marillion got into this business. I don't have the
    message anymore, but Dan said something to the effect of "the band had to
    negociate that into their contracts and EMI Worldwide(who was their
    primary label at the time) gets dibs on the recording first. If they
    don't want to release it, or have plans to release something similar in
    the future by the band, they let the band release the disks on their own
    label" For Dream Theater to do something like this, it would have to be
    negociated into their contract with Atlantic/ EastWest. I don't think
    there is a way the band can pull this off with the record company's
    approval right now, unless they have a mega-hit album with the new disk
    in 1996. Then the leverage to arrange something like this might be
    there. If I can run into Portnoy in Birch Hill I will probably ask him
    something about this. Jammers, try to let him know that there is
    interest in such a product if you run into him at a clinic or something.
    I'm sure Mike Bahr would be glad to get on such a product if possible. <grin>



    *Mike Backof*
    * *
    *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page *
    * *


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:56:26 -0500 (EST)
    From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
    Subject: Quote this?
    Message-ID: <>

    The answer to the following:

    "I see children with butterflies trapped inside jars
    Just girls and boys with real life toys
    I want to teach them to set them free
    And if it comes back it was meant to be"

    Is from The Last Things, "After....Birth." Very interesting, if a little
    unpolished, progmetal.

    Now here's an easy one. It's so easy that it's been running through my
    head all day and I can't place it:

    "For the first time in a long time everything was right in my world. Then
    I woke up."

    This is worse when I recognized the chord progression from Tiamat's
    "Kaleidoscope" from another song, but couldn't find it. Still can't.

    Anyway, here's a real quiz. Place this lyric:

    "Who hunter? Who victim?
    God love America
    He surely doesn't love him"

    -- Know Inform? I need a programmer for 10% of an IF game. PLEASE help.


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:08:47 -0500 (EST)
    From: Michael Backof <>
    Subject: Musical Trends - Is Prog Metal the next big thing?!?
    Message-ID: <>

    Hello Jammers,

            Something that Bafu Vai said (not again) struck a chord. I have
    seen quite a bit of good prog-metal pop up in recent years and I'm sure
    from listening to it that these people are fans of Dream Theater, Fate's
    Warning. Queensryche, Yes, Rush, Genesis, Pink Floyd, King Crimson,
    Metallica, Iron Maiden.... etc.
            Someone also mentioned Threshold and Ivanhoe, both are
    exceptional prog-metal bands! I can't see why any Dream Theater fan
    wouldn't like their music. I have a clip of Threshold on my WWW page and
    Trey Allen has sound files of Ivanhoe on his page. Some other prog-metal
    bands to look out for:

    Leger De Main - Rush and Dream Theater style band with a female vocalist
                    very complex, and very cool. I picked it up a couple of
                    weeks ago. You can get in touch with the band through my
                    WWW page.

    Angra - Excellent melodic prog-metal with a great singer, strong
                    musicianship, and above average (for a proog-metal band)
                    songwriting. They even cover a Kate Bush tune for the
                    classic proggers out there, though that cover is atypical
                    of the rest of the album. I have a sound clip of them
                     on my page as well.

    Inferno - Great instrumental work, lots of interlocking guitar
                    parts that remind me of Fates Warning, lyrics that
                    remind me of late 70's and early 1980's Rush, and they
                    are starting to add some stranger spacy interludes. I
                    am working on the homepage for this band with Jay Peele right

    I could name some more bands, but I'd be here all night....

    Check out the page-

    Drop me a note, say "this sucks", "this is cool", oh my God! you have my
    ultimate guitar god's e-mail address on here. I just love Bill Berend's
    Mastermind! (who may be opening for Dream Theater this Christmas)

    Featured Bands
    Anekdoten / Angra/ Auditory Imagery/ Black Jester/ Boud Deun/ Curious
    Works/ Divine Regale/ Elan/ Iluvatar/ Inferno/ Introspection/ Ivanhoe/
    Kingston Wall/ Leger De Main/ Magellan/ Shadow Gallery/ Threshold/ Velvet
    Hammer/ Visionary

    I have discographies (if anyone can make these more complete, e-mail me),
    band member lists, comments (I am working on these), contact addresses
    (WWW sites for the band, e-mail links to their management, snail
    addresses), and some sound files.



    *Mike Backof*
    * *
    *Unsigned & Indie Label Bands Page *
    * *


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:23:52 -0600 (CST)
    From: Dan Kidney <>
    Subject: Intriguing noise in ACoS/live trades
    Message-ID: <>

    what the heck is that grinding sound at 18:35? Did someone turn on the
    garbage disposal during the recording session? Just wondering.

    Also, my roomie and I are dying to get a dub of the Japan 10/28/95 NHK hall
    show and/or of the Japanese PPV video from 1/24/95. Here's the
    live/rare/sorta almost kinda rare stuff we have: WDADU, Subcon, AD, AKIaD,
    Mind Control and TDoE. And what the hell, if yer into The Cure,
    I've got Entreat, Glastonbury '95, M and Carnage Visors/Curiosity
    Anomalies too. Pleeeeeeze mail if you'd like to trade or if you just
    feel bad for us. 8)

    One more thing--doesn't that monster bass guitar on Long Island
    Expressway just make you drool with joy? Mmmm. Yum-lick-shus.


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:50:42 +0000
    Subject: Re: Lie Quick Time Video? Help!!!
    Message-ID: <>

    > Hello all ye jammers!
    > I have a very quick question here. I hope some one can help me out with
    > this. Okay. I downloaded this quicktime mov file of 'Lie' from Dream
    > Theater's internet www site. And now I'm running into a problem that my

    I tried downloading that one as well some time ago. Quicktime
    said the file was corrupted. Then, I downloaded it again just to see
    if I got an error while receiving it. I didn't.

    I guess the file is for Mac or maybe it's just a bad file format. My
    PC wouldn't play it at all.



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:09:37 +22299548 (CST)
    From: (Stacie Rosenzweig)
    Subject: Re: Moshing by the DT authority - A response
    Message-ID: <>

    > Toxic Waltzer wrote:
    > >As a DT fan I am surprised that more of you do not like moshing. Whats
    > >the whole point of seeing a band if you aren't going to do anything but
    > >sit there and watch? You might as well have bought their video.

    First of all, there is a difference between "moshing" and "sitting and
    watching." I don't mosh (I am female, but more on that later), because I
    find I can't hear the music when 10 people are piled on top of me. If I end
    up in a mosh pit, I'm paying more attention to not getting hurt and to the
    fact that I am moshing than to the music. I don't "sit and watch" either.
    I'm not exactly sure what I do, but I know sometimes I dance, sometimes I
    "let the light surround me," so to speak.

    > >Also anyone who gets injured while moshing is either: a) a pussy b) a
    > >wimp c) a girl (girls are excused). I am always in the dead center of a
    > >mosh pit and have never received a bruise in my career.
    Toxic Waltzer, I think you deserve a big, resounding "fuck you" from the
    women on the digest. To equate us with "pussys" (a sexist word I don't
    like) and "wimps" is obnoxious. (I lost the original post, so I can't reply
    to you personally...besides, I think the women on the 'jam deserve to see
    this) Besides, why would we get excused? Do women bruise easier? Do people
    in pits beat up on women? (Remember, we have to give birth.)

    And furthermore, if what you say is true, you've been in a benevolent mosh
    pit. I find it that too many people get the wrong idea about moshing, and
    tru to beat the crap out of each other. No, you don't have to be a wimp to
    get injured in a mosh pit. You just have to be in the wrong pit (I know
    some people who I would not call wimps who have broken nose, black eyes,
    etc. because of idiots in the pit.)



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:12:51 +22299548 (CST)
    From: (Stacie Rosenzweig)
    Subject: Re: Survey results...
    Message-ID: <>

    > The following appeared in Ytsejam #1140:
    > >> ______________________________________________________
    > >>
    > >> The fourth question asked which sex you were. All but 4 were male.
    > >>
    > >> Amongst those four women, there was no agreement whatsoever about
    > >> favorite song or least favorite song. FAV's were Metropolis, LtL,
    > >> Scarred, SDV, Mirror/Lie, Least FAV's were IF, Afterlife, SM, Lie.
    > >Only four women? Okay, lemmee guess who they were:
    > >Jodi, Patricia, Jenniebear, Babs

    Nope. One of them was me (I'm here, and I contribute occasionally).
    For the record, my favorite (that day, anyway) was SDV and IF was my least.



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:59:07 GMT
    From: borlangw <>
    Subject: Re: Moshing
    Message-ID: <>

    Ummm . . . when you talk about 'moshing', what exactly do you mean? Maybe I've been
    inadvertently confessing to crimes that I didn't commit.

    I got a lot of email from people who regard it as running into people, wreaking havoc, and
    making life miserable for everyone else. NO NO NO! That's not what I meant.

    I agree, there are a couple of dickheads at (almost) every show who do that, and it does
    piss me off. What I MEANT was, that I can't stand still. I have to move at least my head,
    and try and jump up and down a bit if I'm not being squashed too tight.

    Good music just gets my adrenaline going so much. Trying not to move would be like . . .
    umm . . . trying not to get killed if a jumbo jet lands on your bedroom while you're
    fast asleep.

    I went to see The Phantom Of The Opera on Saturday (you know, the musical). I didn't mosh.

    Graham B.
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    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:21:48 -0500 (EST)
    From: Jeff Chew <>
    To: Ytsejam <>
    Subject: Lifting Shadows Web Page
    Message-ID: <>

    Dear jammers,

    Hey there! Just wanted to let you guys know that my web page is now
    called the "Lifting Shadows: Dream Theater Web Page". Anyways, check out
    the really cool logo I made for it!

    Jeff =)

            "I still taste your kisses Jeff Chew is:
             Your voice sings in my ear
             You can betray
             what we were yesterday
             But you'll come back tonight (212) 853-6952
             for him" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:40:41 -0500 (EST)
    From: Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
    To: Dream Theater mailing list <>
    Subject: Fucking IDIOTS! Where were you? :)
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951119203520.24380A-100000@zeus>

    OK, it's 8:40 eastern time on Sunday, and I just got off IRC. Guess how
    many of us were chatting on #ytsejam? Four! Man, Bafu and Ben weren't
    even there. Not that it wasn't fun... hey, at least some of us actually
    showed up.Anyway, I think we should start making a habit of setting up
    dates & times to meet on IRC and maybe more people will join in eventually.
    Gotta run.

      Jeff (NewtSlayer)


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:46:52 -0500
    From: (Lars Hellsten)
    Subject: IRC - #ytsejam!
    Message-ID: <199511200146.UAA03798@infinity>


    It's Sunday night, where the hell are you fucking idiots?! :) Ben? BAFU?!
    Oh well, this is slightly disappointing. I hope more people show up next
    week. We had about 4 people on here tonight, but things quickly died when
    someone had to leave... it was the first time someone else was actually
    there other than myself though, and it was nice talking to you guys.
    Everyone get on the IRC around 7-9pm next Sunday, this is really pathetic,
    with 1200+ jammers we should be able to arrange a time where e can at least
    get maybe a dozen or so people on.

    Lars Hellsten

    Lars Hellsten <*> "Once I reached for love, but <*> now I reach for life" <*> - Dream Theater


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 20:47:53 -0500 (EST)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
    Subject: Songs for DT to cover....
    Message-ID: <>

    Apologies to those sick of this already, but...
    Think I read on this here forum that DT was actually gonna do "Child in Time"
    by Deep Purple for Ronnie Scott's, originally, before Bruce Dickinson
    invited them to do Perfect Strangers on BBC--I would love to hear them
    play CiT....
    Also, I think a DT version of U2's Bullet the Blue Sky would be interesting


    p.s. Here's a vote for making Ben Laussade's ASCII burning heart the
    official ending of every Ytsejam, as it was in Jam 1137
    great effect, that symbol, followed by "End of Ytsejam 1137"



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 06:09:57 -0500
    From: (Marc Contrady)
    Subject: Metallica Question/AD/T-shirts
    Message-ID: <>

    This may have been covered but I'm behind on reading these posts so bare
    with me:

    The original lineup for Metallica was:

    James Hetfield
    Lars Ulrich
    Dave Mustaine
    Ron McGuvney (I can'e remember how to spell it but it's something like this)

    I think that's the right answer.

    I'd also like to thank Jason Giles and Mike Bahr for the T-shirt and the AD
    cd. Great work guys.

    Marc Contrady


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 12:32:43 -0600 (CST)
    Subject: Official bootleg and fanclub ideas
    Message-ID: <>

    Hi all (and Bafu - MBVIYY)

    Just some further thoughts about the official boot idea: I was thinking that
    maybe we 'Jammers could make suggestions for titles for these (just as we are
    for Mike B's already) and maybe cover concepts (hey, maybe even the real
    covers). For instance, how about these for some titles: "Surrender to the
    Secret" & "Beneath a Blackened Summer Sky" for I&W shows (as they are lyrics
    from that album) and "Reflections of Reality" for an Awake show (lyrics from

    Okay, so maybe this was kind of a rehash post since Mike B already does
    this...just thought I'd mention it (specifically if any in the band are
    reading this). Also I think it was Mark M that mentioned this would require
    DT to get more involved with the fanclub. How 'bout this: make Mike B the
    head of the fanclub as he already is doing so much "fan club" type stuff
    already? After all, we know he would at least keep things moving, unlike
    whoever is running the fanclub right now. And maybe Neil Elliott could handle
    things for Europe as he is also heavily involved with DT (doing the I&W
    fanzine and all...). BTW, Patricia, make sure you let us know when Neil gets
    on-line, okay?

    Enuff ramblings...c-ya!

    Scott Hansen


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:44:33 -0800
    From: (Spence)
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1136
    Message-ID: <v01510100acd58dd596b4@[]>



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 11:36:29 -0700
    From: (Ktulu)
    Subject: ACK!!! IRC news!
    Message-ID: <>

    Well, the IRC #ytsejam channel has been taken over. The bastards in #p/g!
    are suspected. If this gets posted in time, at 8:00 Eastern, go to
    #dreamtheater. Okay?
    Seeya there, unless we get the channel back.
             Ben Laussade
                                 "No v's for Damon."
                                "This is not reality"


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 16:00:11 -0700
    From: (Ktulu)
    Subject: Metalking (interperate it how you like)
    Message-ID: <>

    >I just joined this
    >thing a week ago and am very disappointed so far because I haven't seen
    >anybody that likes anything heavier than Metallica (and their fucking
    >sold out). If any of you go to the New Jersey concert you can't expect my
    >size 15 shoe going down your throat and out your ass and an elbow from my
    >girlfriend (any DT girls here that mosh?). Also anyone who gets injured
    >while moshing is either: a) a pussy b) a wimp c) a girl (girls are
    >excused). I am always in the dead center of a mosh pit and have never
    >received a bruise in my career. See you guys in Jersey.

    Man. This guy might as well ASK for flames. First of all, I refuse to
    start the Metallica selling out discussion again. They didn't. End of story.
    Second: Why are girls excused? I'm sure a few female Jammers will have
    something to say about that.
    Anyone who gets injured in a mosh pit is either:a) Unlucky b)stupid c)
    trying to get hurt d) trying to hurt someone else.

    >Dyslexia is punishment for taking the name of Dog in vain.

    Cool. I know a guy with lesdyxia-Oops! I mean dyslexia.

    Wow. That was a short post. (For me) Seeya.
    And in case you hadn't noticed, we have #ytsejam back.

    About the subject: Me talking, or Metal King

             Ben Laussade
                                 "No v's for Damon."
                                "This is not reality"


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 21:57:15 EST
    Subject: RE: Trey's #'d comments
    Message-ID: <>

    Trey Allen--
            Are you sure the voices on TTT are in unison, or are they octaves?
    Anyway, you can have a pitch-shifter do unisons to and it sounds very similar
    to the vocals on TTT.

    Sean Haider
    bassist, INTROSPECTION


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:04:32 -0500 (EST)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
    Subject: ...and then I looked at Jam 1138 (skip this if you're paying for it)
    Message-ID: <>

    Can I change my vote for Jam-ending Majesty symbol to the new guy's version?
    p.s. hey, how come I never noticed the cool jazz section from 17:20
    onward in ACOS....this is some great stuff...uh, wait a second, didn't I
    slag it back in September? Guess it goes to show, you just give a song
    enough time, and it'll grow on you....but, I still like the tDOE/Subcon
    version intro better....


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:07:33 EST
    Subject: The Beatles
    Message-ID: <>

    Hello all--

            Just a reminder: The greatest rock band of all time will be releasing
    their first album in about 25 years this Tuesday. I urge all of you to check
    it out. Remember, DT covered "Golden Slumbers" and "Carry That Weight."

    Sean Haider
    bassist (read "Paul McCartney is God")


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 14:31:38 -0700 (MST)
    From: Michael Bahr <>
    Subject: The poll, and other things
    Message-ID: <>

            OK... just so you all know.. I _am_ scoring the write-in votes on
    the Best Of The Longest poll, and they will appear in the next posting of
    it as available choices. I didn' claim to know EVERY long song or concept
    album ever. However! Be a bit careful about what you mail me as a concept
    album. Some of the ones I have been mailed are simply NOT. Most of them
    are, though, so no problem there. Also, remember, no instrumentals...
    that's why La Villa Strangiato isn't on there.

            Another WDATU update will be along early this week.

            Not much else to say today. Listen to WDADU if you haven't
    lately. That album is so interestingly written. If you can get past
    Charlie's vocals, and they aren't all that bad really, the songs
    themselves are deep and complex with a taste that can't be beat. :)

    Mike Bahr,


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 23:08:56 -0500 (EST)
    From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <>
    Subject: Best selling album
    Message-ID: <>

    Best selling album? Michael Jackson's Thriller, about 30+ million to 14.6
    million for Floyd's Dark Side....

    AS far as Record goes, and I'm going by the Grammy definition, where
    they give Record of the Year to a single, as opposed to an entire album,
    it is Bing Crosby's White Christmas--I think it had hit 40+ million the
    last I heard.....

    A defense of Dream TheaTRE goers....think overanxious fingers....I've
    done it many a time, just because I can't type worth a shit (But then
    again, I go back and check the speeling) :)
                                              Partha Mukhopadhyay


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 23:23:20 EST
    From: Damon M. Fibraio <>
    Subject: Re: Forwarded mail....
    Message-ID: <>

       Hey, man. I may be mistaken if you were joking, but that really is harsh.
    Telling a guy to unsubscribe because he doesn't listen to DT 24/7. Maybe it
    was ajoke, and I am sure it is, but still, man. Pretty harsh stuff to say to
    a newcomer. And by the way, if my g's and h's are interchanged, my computer
    keyboard is all screwed up. Forgive.


    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:51:53 -0600 (CST)
    From: Bigman <>
    Subject: trivia stuff...
    Message-ID: <>

    > From: (Ktulu)
    > Who were the four original members of Metallica?
    > Not as easy as you might think....

    Lemme see, I believe that would be:

            James Hetfield
            Dave Mustaine
            Cliff Burton (R.I.P.)
            Lars Ulrich

    > Here's a lyrics quiz:
    > You have to listend carefully for this one...
    > "Fucking Mooooooooooooove, Fuck!"
    > Lets see if you can guess it.

    Is that Lawnmower Deth? Is it?



    Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 22:22:36 -0800
    From: (Carlo D'Angelo )
    Subject: Concept albums..........
    Message-ID: <>

    You forgot to add these beauties:

    HELSTAR "Nosferatu" <-----One of the BEST albums EVER!!!!!!!

    KING DIAMOND "Abigail"
                  "The Eye"

    RUNNING WILD "Black Hand Inn"


    P.S. I think everyone needs to listen to WDADU again...its a lot more
    progressive than "Awake" is! OAMOT is AMAZING!! Have no idea why they
    never play this...probably too much of Kevin's influence on it...its
    the best song the album!

     | [] |     
     |]   |    
    ******* **   
     | [] |                 
     |]   |        "For one flickering moment, he seemed to catch 
     |   [|         an image, one he found both exciting and disturbing:
     | [] |         
     |]   |         an enormous tower constructed of dark and sooty 
    ****** ** **    stone, standing in a field of red roses.  Slit 
     ** **** **     windows twisted up its sides in a brooding spiral."
     |]   |                 
     |   [|         
     | [] |        "Go then, there are other worlds than these."
     |]   |             
    **  *** *** **                --Stephen King  
     ** **** ****                   (The Gunslinger: Dark Tower series)


    Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 02:46:17 -0600 From: To: Subject: Umm.. God? Message-ID: <>

    I've been lurking for a looong time.. and finally noticed that people are writing "God Quotes". Feeling left out, I must add one. Kudos to those of you who recognize it.. you are real fans :)

    "Mother is the name for God on the lips and hearts of all children"


    kyl. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Innocence caressing me I never felt so young before There was so much life in me Still I longed to search for more... Ignorance surrounding me I've never felt so filled with fear All my life's been drained from me The end is drawing near...

    Mike Portnoy - A Change of Seasons - Innocence ----------------------------------------------------------------------------


    Date: Mon, 20 Nov 95 05:09:39 GMT From: (King Lerxt #1 @8851) To: Subject: Mike Portnoy at Drum Day LA - A Review! Message-ID: <>

    Reply : Requested

    Ok folks, for those of you who missed out on the Drum Day LA show in Hollywood, CA, here is my review. (Mike Portnoy WAS THERE and he DID PLAY, just to dispell any rumors that said otherwise).

    BTW, this is a LONG POST but worth the read.

    It took place at the House of Blues on Sunset Blvd. Who went? It was myself, Shadowman (Evan) and Xavier (John) from my BBS: KLCC. Mike Bahr was supposed to be there (instead of John) but he canceled at the last minute because of a family crisis. He missed out!

    We arrived early and we were the 1st in line! :) We ended up getting 4th row seats on the right side of the stage (we didn't know Mike's drum set was on the left side).

    I wore my brand new Ytsejam T-shirt and brought my DT hat and A Change of Seasons liner notes to get it signed by Mike.

    It was a full day of events.

    First they had the top 5 nationwide amateur drummers there. It ended up being a tie for 1st between a 32 yr old So. Cal guy (Steve Bankutti) and a 11 yr old kid from Kentucky (Tony Royster Jr)!! This kid was was amazing and played so damn loud and fast. He brought the house down and got many standing ovations. They both won a brand new drum set.

    They also had celebrity drummers there to do the judging for the amateur contest :

    a) Dave Abbruzzese (Pearl Jam) b) Tommy Lee ( wasn't there but was supposed to be) c) Simon Phillips d) Chad Smith e) Ralph Humphrey f) Stephen Perkins g) Joe Porcaro h) Matt Sorum and a few others

    Then they had various artists perform solo stuff and talk about their music such as:

    a) Steve Smith (Journey, Jean-Luc Ponty) b) Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! c) Sheila E. and the E-Train

    Steve was cool. Sheila E was amazing with her whole band of horns and keyboards and cool percussion effects. The crowd went wild. She is full of energy.

    ============= But now to talk about *MIKE PORTNOY* ==========================

    He came out after Steve Smith. Right before he came on they opened up the top section of the bar (which swings out and overhangs the stage) so it was exposed to the eating area of the club. This turned out to be a bad thing.

    Right before he sat down on his drum throne, I yelled out : "Ytsejam!" and Mike Portnoy and a DT fan behind us chuckled! :)

    Anyways, Mike was _trying_ to do his drum clinic thing he's been doing all across the country _but_ it was not the place to do it. He was talking very technical and trying to teach the people what he was doing. He was telling us how drumming isn't really that hard (oh sure, not for GODS like him and Neil Peart of Rush, hehe) and that it all comes down to NUMBERS. He showed how he took various DT pieces and changed them from easy 4/4 timing to complex odd timings. Anyways, a lot of the crowd was _talking_ (ala those damn fans from the Acoustic Dreams live songs, hehe) and so it was very hard for Mike to talk OVER them. It was obvious a lot of the stuff he was talking about was over their heads or they weren't interested. The other guys had just played and didn't talk much so it was a big change to hear the guy TALK more than play. He would play for 5 - 10 secs and then talk for 30-60 secs. I was feeling bad for Mike because of that. His mic stand was also giving him a hard by slipping down all the time. At one point he said "I feel like I'm someone's dinner entertainment", gesturing to the people above the stage eating at the tables. The crowd chuckled at that. You could see he was confused and frustrated though. :( He was also taking questions from the audience. A few people spoke up. I forget what they asked, but I asked him a stupid question. I didn't know what to say but I wanted to help Mike out and keep it going and show there were people who WERE interested in what he was doing and saying, even though I'm not a drummer myself (I play guitar), so I asked him : "What is your fav. song tp play, and what is the hardest song for you to play?" He replied that "my fav is 'Wait For Sleep' because I get to hang out in the back and kick back"... that gave us all a good laugh. And he said that there isn't any song that is really that hard for him to play. He went on to say that as long as you start out slow and count it out and practice, you can do anything you want to do. He is a great teacher and very technical and serious about his playing. He really wanted to TEACH us something that day. Unfortunately most of the crowd wanted to hear MUSIC and not TALK. Also at one point he showed us something really cool, and after he did that one guy on the upper balcony yelled out "How'd you do that?!" and we all laughed with Mike. I yelled back "He's a GOD!" :) He ended his set by playing along to 'Erotomania' in its entirety, which had the drum parts mixed out. It was INCREDIBLE! He really kicked butt. The crowd started getting into his playing, FINALLY, once they heard him play for longer than 5 seconds. I was glad because up to that point, it was like they were ignoring him and thought he didn't know how to play. I was jamming along with Mike as he played. It was incredible to see Mike that close up!

    Anyways, we watched the rest of the show (Sheila E and her band) and I kept waiting for Mike to come out and sit down with the rest of the famous player/judges. I was getting worried when he hadn't shown up and the show was almost over but my horrors were quelled when I saw he finally came out.

    As soon as the show was over we all rushed over to talk to Mike. I knew if we didn't get over there quickly it was going to be impossible to get to talk to him, since they had to clear out the place for the evening show (this drum thing lasted from 1230p - 530p !!).

    During his set he was wearing a bandana on his head, and after the show he had taken it off and put on a EXTRA LARGE white 'A Change of Seasons' tour shirt. We came up on him and said hi, and asked for him to sign our CD liner notes. When I got up to him I said Hi and that Mike Bahr was supposed to be there but had to cancel at the last minute. He replied saying, "really?, doesn't he live in Arizona or something?" and I said yeah, and that Mike Bahr was coming into town for the show but missed it. I said we enjoyed the show and that he did great, but he kind of frowned and said that he was a bit disappointed that he didn't get to do his whole CLINIC set where he plays for almost 2 hours and gets to do a bunch of stuff. I said it was ok. He mentioned that he was going to be playing a REAL drum clinic next week in Garden Grove, and I said OH REALLY?. I have find out where that's going to be, so I can maybe check it out!

    Oh well we all got our liner notes signed and we got out of there.

    It was an incredible show and a great experience to finally meet Mike. It was the 1st time I had ever met ANY rock star up close and personal. I think my life is almost complete now... :) And all for only $14 a ticket! How can you go wrong with a 5 hour show where you get to meet one of your fav band's drummer in person!?

    I wish you had all been there, but....

    Later all.

    Stephen Soukup (King Lerxt) SysOp : KLCC BBS, Glendale, CA


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