YTSEJAM Digest 1142
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Moshing
by whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
2) Moshing
by eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
3) Paul was wrong.
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
4) Trey's #'d comments
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
5) First post
by m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
6) Bafu
by Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
7) Re: All sorts of things!!
by eiagm@eznet.net
8) YtseCon II update
by tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
9) Re: Songs DT should cover
by Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
10) Re: dt video
by Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
11) Re: You missed at least one!
by JennieBear@aol.com
12) Survey results...
by JennieBear@aol.com
13) Attention "Wisha"!
by JennieBear@aol.com
14) Metallica and more.
by laussade@enet.net (Ktulu)
15) Re: Moshing by the DT authority - A response
by coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan )
16) MDTC - Def Leppard I&I on MM
by larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten)
17) Some great songs on WDADU
by jbeavens@ichips.intel.com
18) Re: Moshing
by eiagm@eznet.net
19) Trivia thread
by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
20) Lie Quick Time Video? Help!!!
by "Kyunghwee Choi" <king-crimson@msn.com>
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 19:49:47 EST
From: whit8275@cs.fredonia.edu (Chris White)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Moshing
Message-ID: <9511190049.AA28296@mary.cs.fredonia.edu>
> Someone else said that DT doesn't like moshing. Now whether this is true
> or not shouldn't matter. I mean WE PAY their salaries. We should be able
> to mosh if we want to. I think some of you guys are so worried about what
> DT thinks about us fans, or any other subject. If you are trying to
> please DT then you a sad example of living.
That would be me who said that :)
Not to start a flame war or anything here, but would you go to an
orchestra and start moshing to the music? No? Why not, you paid to get in,
you pay their salary? You wouldn't because (aside from the fact that it's
not "appropriate") the musicians wouldn't appreciate it very much, would
they?
Chris
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:16:34 -0500 (EST)
From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Moshing
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951118200725.191492A-100000@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
As a DT fan I am surprised that more of you do not like moshing. Whats
the whole point of seeing a band if you aren't going to do anything but
sit there and watch? You might as well have bought their video. Thats
what thrash music is all about, moshing and headbanging. Sure not all DT
songs can be moshed to but a lot of parts of them can. I just joined this
thing a week ago and am very disappointed so far because I haven't seen
anybody that likes anything heavier than Metallica (and their fucking
sold out). If any of you go to the New Jersey concert you can't expect my
size 15 shoe going down your throat and out your ass and an elbow from my
girlfriend (any DT girls here that mosh?). Also anyone who gets injured
while moshing is either: a) a pussy b) a wimp c) a girl (girls are
excused). I am always in the dead center of a mosh pit and have never
received a bruise in my career. See you guys in Jersey.
Toxic Waltzer
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:16:19 -0600 (CST)
From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Paul was wrong.
Message-ID: <01HXSU9YSGPE000OJD@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 18-NOV-1995 20:01:43
Paul (sorry, dunno last name) was wrong about at least one of the females
who contributed to Mike's survey. Just because one doesn't post often
doesn't mean they don't care :)
For those of you who are into Christian metal/rock, you may want to check
out a band called Reflescent Tide. They're from Wisconsin and were signed
to Rugged Records earlier this year. The best description I could give you
is a happy medium between progressive metal and alternative. They have a
CD out but I don't know if it's in stores (self-titled.)
BTW, Helloween's "Keeper of the Seven Keys" Parts one and two are not
concept albums. Only the songs "Halloween" and "Keeper..." are remotely
conceptual.
Also, only the song "2112" is conceptual, not the entire album. I think
Fates Warning's "The Spectre Within" and "Awaken the Guardian" should be on
the list. Why were they overlooked, considering the number of Fates fans
on this mailing list?
________________________________________________________________________________
Debbie Seeger
University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
Music Major (Recording Technology emphasis)
May 1996
Bitnet - seeged73@oshkoshw
Internet - seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 21:22:12 -0500
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Trey's #'d comments
Message-ID: <9511190222.AA17430@junix.ju.edu>
1)
>A while ago someone asked why there were no singers on the Ytsejam. Whoh!
>Slow down! I'm a singer! I know Al Baskewicz is a singer! Come on, guys,
>speak up!
Hey I'm a singer too!
I sing tenor in a barbershop quartet. There is no type of songing like
bbshop! E-mail me if interested.
2)
>While I agree that the TTT version on the Silent Man single is better
>than the Images version, those things you are hearing are not overdubs.
>That's definitely a pitch-shifting device.
No way! The different voices are in unison!
3)
>If you wanna
>run around and injure yourself then go to a Pantera concert. I can see
>you're not a performer otherwise you'd probably understand me more.
I disagree man! When i was in my band, DT/Alice in Chains, we all loved it
when the whole crowd started moshing or jumpin to the beat! It doesn't mean
that they aren't paying attention to you at all!
____________________________________________________________________________
"Likely or not its a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll
climb. But if faith is the answer then we've already reached it and if
spirit is a sign, then its only a mater of time."
(Kevin Moore of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 17:39 PST
From: m_washke@acad.lvc.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: First post
Message-ID: <m0tGyjd-00006pC@crash.cts.com>
Hello jammers,
I just thought I would post since I haven't yet, I have a few things
to say, and whoever wrote in saying that I should get off my ass and write
in was right. I just don't believe in clogging up the jam with stupid shit
and personal business that a lot of other people do. That is why I don't
read them all. If they were all filled with important information as opposed
to debates over religion and race, I might read them all Not to mention that
I have very little time in the day. I tend to just read the most recent one
in when I open my mail.
Anyway, Since people have been talking about introducing jammers to
cool bands- I would suggest checking out Into Another who just recently got
signed to Hollywood Records. Their new album is called Seemless, but if you
can get their last album Ignaurus, I would recommend it. Also, whoever it
was that wrote in saying that Al DiMeola and Michael Hedges are cool, has
his shit together. Anyway, gotta split.
"If I jump in this fountain, will I be forgiven"
Alanis Morissette
PS- If anyone knows if there are tickets available for the Birch Hill show,
please e-mail me personally to let me know.
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 18:03:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Bafu
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9511181843.A18911-0100000@ese.UCSC.EDU>
Bafu Bafu Bafu Bafu Bafu Bafu.
Just had to be said. I like saying it. It has a certain "ring" to it.
Long live the BafuJam!
~Chris
__ /\ __
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\_||_/ Still looking for the Tree of Time...
/__||__\
// \ | \\
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 15:12:21 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: All sorts of things!!
Message-ID: <199511190247.VAA06108@mail1.eznet.net>
> I have an idea for a poll, I think we'll try.
>
> POLL: THE BEST OF THE LONGEST
> Here are the nominees (those songs that qualify):
<deleted>
> If I made a misteak, let me know. :)
Well, who picked these nominees? What about Kansas' Apercu, Song For
America, Incomodru Hymn to the Atman, The Pinnacle?
What about Pink Floyd's Dogs?
Genesis (about a billion of them), but Supper's Ready?????
I'm sure there are more. Can we do write ins and not stick to this
list?
> AND... the secondary vote: greatest CONCEPT ALBUMS. All other
Again, there are plenty that were missing from the list.
Mike Stover
eiagm@eznet.net
http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 21:21:23 -0500
From: tallen@junix.ju.edu (Trey Allen)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YtseCon II update
Message-ID: <9511190221.AA19119@junix.ju.edu>
---What is YtseCon II?
I am organizing a YtseConvention II to take place before one of the shows
that are being held this Dec. A while back, Babs did this with the
pre-release of ACOS. If I remember correctly, (I wasn't there) JMyung,
Dereck, and Mike P attended along w/ many jammers. The, at that time,
unrealesed ACOS was played as a sneak preview. This version had the
infamous "mercy fuck" in it BTW.
I hope to do this also. It all depends on the managment and if the band
wants to do it. I am fairly opptimistic though since it went over well last
time + they say that thier latest album almost came out because us! So come
on!!!
Anyway, this will be open to only jammers and their friends and will
hopefully be a chance for us all to actually *meet* each other and at least
some of the band!
I want to do this when as many people as possible can attend. Therefore, I
need to know which shows your going to and if you have any freinds DEFINATLY
going.
I NEED EVERYONE TO MAIL ME WHICH SHOWS THEY ARE GOING TO ATTEND AND IF THEY
HAVE ANY FREINDS WHO ARE DEFINATLY, AND I MEAN DEFINATLY, GOING AND WHICH
NIGHT WOULD BE THEIR PERSONAL PREFERENCE FOR THE YTSECON.
I personally think that the 28th would be the best night to have it since
New York is the most centrally and timely located but this depends on DT's
availiablity and the number of jammers who are attending the other shows also.
IF YOU ARE NOT ON THIS LIST AND SHOULD BE, E-MAIL ME VERY SOON!
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------------El N Gee - New London, CT - Wed, Dec 27
Jason Breitweg <jbreitwe@lobelia.physics.wisc.edu>
"Patrick H. Davis" <75463.2253@compuserve.com>
brother
Matthew Sirois <ms014e@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Joseph Cristina <joecr@ici.net>
Dave Silva <silva@physci.psu.edu>
"mmetzger" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
TIM LODGE <LODGE_TIM@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU>
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
Brian Cox
Michael.Bradley@mail.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
------------Malibu Night Club - Lido Beach, NY - Thur, Dec 28
+ Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu
Marc Contrady <constabl@postoffice.ptd.net>
Freind
Freind
+ "Patrick H. Davis" <75463.2253@compuserve.com>
brother
The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
augie@unix.asb.com (augie)
Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
Brian Cox
Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
Friend maybe another
Mike Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
Freind
Freind
Freind
Freind
ross_s@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu
+ amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
------------Birch Hill - Old Bridge, NJ - Fri, Dec 29
Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
Jay Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
Paul Lapinski
Doug Merril
bast@babbage.csee.usf.edu
Marc Contrady <constabl@postoffice.ptd.net>
Freind
Freind
"Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
gt7262a@prism.gatech.edu (Eric Marlett)
John Mastin <johnny@psa.pencom.com>
+ "Patrick H. Davis" <75463.2253@compuserve.com>
brother
Rachel Goldenberg <wisha@li.net>
FountainHead <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
freind
freind
freind
freind
hiw100@psu.edu (Cornholio)
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
Brian Cox
Mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
SaVeur <jjens@site.gmu.edu>
Mike Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
Freind
Freind
Freind
Freind
amarshal@physics.Trinity.EDU (Adam H. Marshall)
____________________________________________________________________________
"Likely or not its a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll
climb. But if faith is the answer then we've already reached it and if
spirit is a sign, then its only a mater of time."
(Kevin Moore of Dream Theater)
Trey Allen (T-Stretch) - tallen@junix.ju.edu -
http://www.ju.edu/UsrWebPages/tallen/home.html
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:11:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Lakatos <jeremy@grove.ufl.EDU>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Songs DT should cover
Message-ID: <199511190311.WAA00484@birch.grove.ufl.edu>
I was thinking the other day while listening to other groups, and thinking,
"Wouldn't it be cool if DT busted into this song in a concert?"
So how about:
Larks' Tongues in Aspic, part I
The Ivory Gate of Dreams
Spain (by Return to Forever)
Inca Roads
Something For Nothing
On Reflection (have to teach all the members to sing, first)
Nothing At All
The Mission
We Were Born to Be Loved
Astronomy Domine
The Gates of Delirium
Wouldn't it be cool? Too bad I couldn't afford to see it.
Dyslexia is punishment for taking the name of Dog in vain.
-- Know Inform? I need a programmer for 10% of an IF game. PLEASE help.
jeremy@grove.ufl.edu
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:11:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Andrew Keegan <akeegan@liii.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: dt video
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951118230842.4057C-100000@oak.liii.com>
On Sat, 18 Nov 1995, Matt Palzewicz wrote:
> hey everyone!
> i was recently at a small music store, and i happened to see a video
> "Dream Theater, Live! La'mours, ny, 1/9/93. it was labeled as
> collecters,live,unissued. they guy said he watched it, and it looked like it
> was made by someone in the audience. does anyone else out there have this
> video or a copy? would it be worth getting? ($15) thanks!!
I'd say it's worth it. The video is from the back of the club, but it has
a clean view of the band. The best thing about this show is that they do
a (mainly guitar) instrumental that was only done at a few of the '93
winter shows. It's one of my favorite DT instrumentals, it's kinda mellow
with a very melodic guitar line.
Anyone else like this one?
Andy
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:32:02 -0500
From: JennieBear@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: You missed at least one!
Message-ID: <951118223201_110506990@mail02.mail.aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #1136:
> > Guys, Guys, Guys, Guys, and girls (Jamie,Babs,airDance)...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Hey, what about me???? :)
> Jodi
> (another "girl")
Yeah, and me, too! :)
Jen
-- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensrychejenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:32:10 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Survey results... Message-ID: <951118223210_110507083@emout05.mail.aol.com>
The following appeared in Ytsejam #1140:
>> ______________________________________________________ >> >> The fourth question asked which sex you were. All but 4 were male. >> >> Amongst those four women, there was no agreement whatsoever about >> favorite song or least favorite song. FAV's were Metropolis, LtL, >> Scarred, SDV, Mirror/Lie, Least FAV's were IF, Afterlife, SM, Lie.
>Only four women? Okay, lemmee guess who they were:
>Jodi, Patricia, Jenniebear, Babs
>I'd say Airdance, but I haven't seen much her around on the jam lately, >so she might not have had time to answer to poll. I believe I've seen >these four females on the list MOST OFTEN.
I'd say that's a pretty good guess, but you're wrong on at least one account... Although I had intended to reply to this survey, I've been hit and miss on keeping up with my e-mail lately. :( Anyhow, maybe the fourth was Jaime??
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:32:15 -0500 From: JennieBear@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Attention "Wisha"! Message-ID: <951118223214_110507125@mail02.mail.aol.com>
Rachel:
I spoke with you on IRC about a week ago (not to mention a few other times) and mentioned DT stickers... (Yes, it's "kethry," although few people bother to read my .sig and realize that's another of my "nom de plumes." <g>) Please e-mail me privately - thanks!
Jen -- "Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan "I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:18:06 -0700 From: laussade@enet.net (Ktulu) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Metallica and more. Message-ID: <199511190618.XAA21911@maple.enet.net>
>Oh don't even try me on Metallica trivia Ben :=). First, when they were >recording Hit the Lights for Metal Massacre, it was James Hetfield(also on >bass), Lars Ulrich, Dave Mustaine, and another lead punched in by a Jamaican >guitarist named Lloyd Grant. >After that, Ron McGovney agreed to play bass and their lineup became.. >James-JUST vocals for a while, eventually took up rhythm guitar too >Lars-Drums >Mustaine-lead guitar >Ron McGovney-bass
YES, but there WAS a time before Hit the Lights. The first four members of Metallica were: James Hetfield Lars Ulrich Ron McGovney Lloyd Grant
IRC #ytsejam CHAT ROOM
BE THERE at 8:00 Eastern on Sunday. Bafu's gonna be there, I'm gonna be there (as usual) and EVERYONE ELSE COME TOO!
>Ok...the challenge has been given and now I must reply. The 4 original >members of Metallica are: > > James Hetfield > Dave Mustaine > Ron McGovney > Lars Ulrich > >Cheers! Where everyone know your name. > >______________________________________________________________ BZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!! Wrong. Look up for the answer.
>I'll take a guess at this one : > 1. Lars Ulrich (I know he started the band) > 2. James Hetfield > 3.Dave Mustaine > 4. Cliff Burton
Wrong again.
>What will replace it? Who knows? But I will state that while I'd love to see >progressive bands become very successful, I hope that prog will not become the >"in" type of music because then it (just like grunge and hair metal) will >become a joke with all the new bands sounding like everyone else, just as >grunge bands sound now and hair metal bands did in the late 80's. >
Yeeeessss......BUT If it all sounds the same, then it's not prog.
>My question is, is Savatage a Christian band??? I mean, one of the first >songs, "Jesus Saves" is basically about a guy named DT Jesus selling drugs to >people, thereby "Saving" them from their realities. But look at the damn title >of the song! Obviously we have some parallel meanings going on here! > >Anyway, looking at the rest of the album, I have a sneaking suspicion that >they are indeed a Christian Rock-band. They're just kind of subtle about it >and maybe deliver their message under the guise of a "traditional" prog-metal >band. (Whatever THAT means. =) > >Are these Christian overtones present in Dead Winter Dead?
IMO, if that's what the song is about, and that's what it's called, then it sounds like they're trying to say that Jesus is a lie that saves people from reality. FYI, that is NOT what I believe, that is what I think it means. No religious lectures, please. :-) And, no. There is no mention of Jesus Christ in DWD. It's about Sarajevo. Super-emotional. Higher than ACoS level. (IMO)
>Moshers probably make up 1% of DT fans. You people are a very small >minority, accept it.(another example of _your_ logic) >
First off, I am for moshing and I have no logic whatsoever. None at all. Nada. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Second off, of all the posts I've seen on this subject, there have been equal numbers of those opposed to and those for moshing. You must be one of the 1% of DT fans that aren't too hot in the area of counting.
>Umm...guessing here. Hetfield, Ulrich, Dave Mustaine and Ron McGovney? >(or something like that).
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!!!
Wrong again.
>In ytsejam1139, Ben Laussade asks: >>>Who were the four original members of Metallica? >If you mean from Kill 'Em All, then it's Hetfield, Ulrich, Hammet, and Cliff >Burton. But have a compilation LP from 1982 called "Metal Massacre" that has >Metallica doing "Hit the Lights." The line up is: >James Hetfield - Vocals >Dave Mustaine - Guitar >Ron McGouney - Bass >Lars Ulrich - Drums >Lloyd Grant - Guitar
NOW I get what Adam Cook was trying to say. But it's still wrong. I'm not talking about the members on the first thing that they released. Just the first members. The first FOUR members. There was a time where they had Lloyd Grant, but no Dave Mustaine.
THE END
Ben Laussade laussade@enet.net "No v's for Damon." "This is not reality"
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Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 23:10:58 -0800 From: coghlanm@ix.netcom.com (Michael Coghlan ) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Moshing by the DT authority - A response Message-ID: <199511190710.XAA24674@ix13.ix.netcom.com>
Toxic Waltzer wrote:
>As a DT fan I am surprised that more of you do not like moshing. Whats >the whole point of seeing a band if you aren't going to do anything but >sit there and watch? You might as well have bought their video.
You forgot to add "IMO" to the above statement, you're being very general in your assumptions.
>Also anyone who gets injured while moshing is either: a) a pussy b) a >wimp c) a girl (girls are excused). I am always in the dead center of a >mosh pit and have never received a bruise in my career.
Wow - you sound like you would be fun to be around at a high-enegy concert, that is if you want to be with someone who wants to be the center of attraction and a source of senseless body spasms. Are you a career mosher? What is the starting salary, is there room for advancement? Gee, I wish I could be like you when I go up.
Michael C.
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Date: 18 Nov 95 20:20:08 -0500 From: larsh@tor250.org (Lars Hellsten) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: MDTC - Def Leppard I&I on MM Message-ID: <08a_9511190123@tor250.org>
I know there are some other Def Leppard fans on the list (and I'm glad to find out I'm not the only DT fan who likes them ... I'm not so much into them anymore, but they were one of the first bands I listened to when I was younger), although I don't know if anyone actually gets Much Music. Anyway, Def Leppard will be doing an Intimite & Interactive on MM this Wednesday. I believe it's on at 9pm EST (not positive about the time though).
-- |Fidonet: Lars Hellsten 1:259/412@fidonet |Internet: larsh@tor250.org
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 00:28:03 -0800 From: jbeavens@ichips.intel.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Some great songs on WDADU Message-ID: <9511190828.AA22577@pdx108.intel.com>
Someone wrote in the last jam:
>Now these poll results surprised me... > >>The third question was "Which DT song is your least favorite?" >> >>Light Fuse and Get Away: 7 >>Afterlife: 6 >>Innocence Faded: 6 >>Another Day: 6 >>Status Seeker: 4 >>Killing Hand: 4 >>LSOAD: 4 >>Lie: 4 >>Space-Dye-Vest: 4 >>Silent Man: 4 >>WDADU(whole album): 2 > >Wow! Seems like most people need to go back and really give WDaDU a good >listen. I think people are shadowing the whole album behind Charlie's vocals >and the poor production, but there's really great DT music on there! With >James (as probably evident on the upcoming Antiquities) those songs are just >as good as I&W and Awake in my opinion. Kevin is especially showcased on >this album. Go back and give it a good listen, I think you'll find something >new. If you still don't like it...oh well, I tried :) >
Amen! (oh no, now I've started another religious debate :p). I haven't responded to any polls, mainly because I don't see what purpose or point they serve, but two of my all time favorite songs are Light Fuse and Get Away, and Only a Matter of Time.
LFaGA is such a stark portrayal of that one woman in every man's past that not only stabbed him in the back, but twisted the knife several revolutions and poured five pounds of salt on the wound (all metaphorically speaking of course 8^). It is obvious that Mr. Moore had a very unhappy ending to a relationship at some point in his life.
By contrast, OaMoT is about the most spiritual song I think DT has ever done, even more so than Surrounded. It's basically a long series of metaphors about trusting in your faith no matter what. I don't want to spend a bunch of time pouring over the lyrics, but there are lots of images this song portrays:
+ Someone being offered a "can't lose" deal, yet knowing that there's no quick and easy way to their destination. + A dream-stricken musician playing his instrument on a stool, imagining that the wall clock is an audience (I love this passage). + A mariner either returning to, or leaving from, land (I can't decide which) with the apprehension of finally reaching his destination. + A father's benediction as his son goes out to face his challenges at sea. + A captain at sea searching for any sight of land, as the crew grows more and more restless, until the only thing driving him on is his faith, despite the fact that the crew has given up and is considering mutiny.
Then at the end, you realize that these are metaphors to varying degrees of the same thing, which is summed up in the last couple of passages (some of which I've been noticing popping up in peoples' .sigs).
"Even when plans fall to pieces I can still find the courage with promise I've found in my faith.
Likely or not it's a dream that we keep and at odds with our senses we'll climb. But if faith is the answer, we've already reached it. And if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time."
This song never fails to get my spirits up. And please note that I am about as un-religious as one can get; I just enjoy the uplifting feeling that alot of songs with positive messages give me (another reason why Surrounded is another one of my DT faves).
Anyway, getting back to the original post, do yourself a favor and sit down and really listen to WDADU! It really is an amazing album, not to mention a great display of how good Kevin Moore really is...
Happy 'jamming!
Jim Beavens
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:33:40 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: Moshing Message-ID: <199511191448.JAA17491@mail1.eznet.net>
Some people mosh, some don't. We all enjoy the music best in our own way - whether it's running around like maniacs or sitting still, too fucking blown out of our minds by the music to do anything. I personally fall into this latter category, but I have moshed, and I enjoyed it very much (sure as hell beat the stupid regular dancing that had been going on up till then). Course I was moshing to Def Leppard, so I didn't care if I was missing the subtler aspects of the music. But here's the real point. If I'm enjoying the music in my own way (sitting, staring, drooling), then I'm going to be disrupted by someone barreling into me. I'd be upset. If, however, I am moshing and some joe is sitting in his seat (sitting, starting, drooling), I am not at all disrupted (well, depends on how severe the drooling is). See the difference? Since DT is not a 100% moshing band, it probably isn't a good idea to do it, unless someplace is sectioned out for it, away from the droolers.
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 10:14:51 -0600 From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Trivia thread Message-ID: <199511191614.KAA20485@wpg-01.escape.ca>
Hey jammers,
To jump on a thread, I've thought of three bands that qualify for the "all original, 5 releases" thing.
They include two Australian bands, and a Canadian.
INXS: I think they might have just broke up, but if not, they qualify!
Midnight Oil: I think I may be right with this one. If I'm wrong, flame away!
Tragically Hip: Canadian band with a bit of a following in the US. They definitely qualify!
The top selling album of all time is definitely "Thriller" by Mikey. I believe it broke the record set by "Saturday Night Fever".
Sorry for the lack of DT content.
On with the jam! ** ****************************************************** * Ian Mowatt imowatt@escape.ca * * * * * * "It's a small world, but I wouldn't want to paint it".* *********************************************************
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Date: Sun, 19 Nov 95 09:25:32 UT From: "Kyunghwee Choi" <king-crimson@msn.com> To: "'Dream Theater News Group'" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com> Subject: Lie Quick Time Video? Help!!! Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199511191103520779@msn.com>
Hello all ye jammers!
I have a very quick question here. I hope some one can help me out with this. Okay. I downloaded this quicktime mov file of 'Lie' from Dream Theater's internet www site. And now I'm running into a problem that my computer won't be able to play it back. Why is that happening? Does any one have an answer? Is that 'Lie' mov file for Mac or something? I have an IBM compatible that's very very fast and I know I have plenty of memory in my computer. Yeah, this 'Lie' is the only mov file I can't play back on my computer. Help!!!
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