YTSEJAM Digest 1165
Today's Topics:
1) Please don't start this again!
by augie@unix.asb.com (Heath)
2) Re: vocal harmonies
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
3) FW - Through Diff. Eyes, New DT CD
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
4) DT
by KUNAMAN@aol.com
5) Majesty logo
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) Re: Harmony Vocals/ Breathing
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
7) best bassist awards
by mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
8) Re: Dt Lyrics and "I'm new but I have an idea"
by Mr Who? <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
9) GP Reader's Poll/James/6 piece
by "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
10)
by larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten)
11) Raise the Knife?
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
12) YTSEJAM digest 1164
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
13) James in a movie????
by Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com>
14) Tickets Tickets Tickets
by bda109@psu.edu (Brian Anderson)
15) This is kinda cool!
by BURGER KING EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu>
16) Classical Covers
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
17) Ideas
by GHSRocker@aol.com
18) Funny shit!
by aar1@cornell.edu (Alexis A. Ramos)
19) Re: DT covered by...
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
20) Re: James LaBrie
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
21) Re: various
by eiagm@eznet.net
22) Re: questions and stuff
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
23) KEYBOARDS AND DREAM THEATER/THEIR NEW ALBUM.................
by MillerA@act.org
24) NDTC, Susan Moscardini please e-mail me
by Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu>
25) Re: should they keep James?
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
26) Re: James's voice
by Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
27) Re: DT songs coverred by other bands
by Skooc@aol.com
28) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1164
by Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@cs.hope.edu>
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 10:50:48 -0500
From: augie@unix.asb.com (Heath)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Please don't start this again!
Message-ID: <v01510103ace23086a7a2@[165.254.128.50]>
This is a warning for everyone on ytsejam. We DO NOT want to know
everyones top five non Dream Theater favorite groups. When someone asks
this, ten thousand people resond and the mailbox gets filled up really
quick. So please don't start another trend like this.
I thought of this because a new jammer recently wrote this in the jam.
>I'm new to the list, but I have an idea for a new topic string:
> List your Top five favorite bands, besides Dream Theater.
>Here's mine:
>
>1.Nine Inch Nails
>2.Pearl Jam
>3.Blind Melon
>4.Soundgarden
>5.Hole
>
> Well, bye.
I'll remind you all. DO NOT START THIS TREND AGAIN!!!
Heath Augustover
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:06:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: vocal harmonies
Message-ID: <30BC853F.B99D.1505.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To the one who said that the harmonies on ACOS ["innocence caressing
me" and "ignorance (something) (something)"] blew them away...
I'll agree, they are pretty good. And the first time that I heard
the studio ACOS I thought, "cool harmonies." But the fact of the
matter is, they really lack in harmonies overall. They do them few
and far between, and even those aren't outrageously amazing (not that
they have to be for me like 'em, mind you).
This is just my opinion, and you can flame me, but remember, it is
only my opinion...DT's harmonies (even ACOS') aren't even in the same
ballclub as those of King's X, Galactic Cowboys, echolyn, Queen, or
even Extreme (Nuno puts down some great complements to Gary's
voice)...
Peace,
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 09:33:27 -0700 (MST)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: FW - Through Diff. Eyes, New DT CD
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951129092552.27665A-100000@casual1>
Lars,
Holy posts batman! I didn't see the Fates video on MuchMusic, but I
think Teresa is out to lunch. Through Different Eyes is from Perfect
Symmetry which is not exactly new!
I don't think DT should go overboard on the harmonies since they can't
(or don't) do it live. To vocalists that'd be like leaving out a guitar
solo (to guitarists). I'd prefer JP lose the 7-string so that I can play
along with the tunes! I haven't liked JM's sound at all except for some
live stuff I've heard (not LatM).
Will
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:57:44 -0500
From: KUNAMAN@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT
Message-ID: <951129115741_38062442@emout04.mail.aol.com>
I am a huge fan of DT and would like to know thier tour schedules when they
come out if possible and any other info. On AOL my screenname is KUNAMAN
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:19:18 GMT
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Majesty logo
Message-ID: <9511291719.AA10696@pebble.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Being the conscientious student that I am, I went to the University library
today. I got a book on Scottish History, and found the logo used by Mary
Queen of Scots which is allegedly the basis for Dream Theater's 'M' symbol.
Yup, there is definitely a resemblance there!
If you want to check it out, it's at:
http://www.dcs.gla.ac.uk/~borlangw/logo.html
Graham B.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:51:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Harmony Vocals/ Breathing
Message-ID: <30BC9DD3.B99D.17B7.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
an addition to my earlier comment:
After just listening to "Voices," I came across my favorite harmony
vocal done by DT...
"...see my diary on the newsstand, seems we've lost the truth to
quicksand, it's a shame no one is prayin', cause these voices in my
head keep sayin'..."
That is *my* fav harmony part by DT, but it kinda supports my earlier
comment. They are lacking in harmony vocals. The part from "Voices"
above is all done by LaBrie. How are they gonna do that in concert?
The harmonies on TSM are by the producer. JP is supposedly doing
them on tour, but why couldn't he do them in the studio? Don't
flame, as I see this as positive criticism. This is one area that
they need to work on...though they aren't horrendous.
BTW, I think that JLaB's "breathing" in the songs are there for a
reason. I was listening to 6:00 a bit ago and the part that goes
"the pain inside, coming outside" James takes a big breath. I feel
that it adds meaning to the lines...
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
(8 in 2 days...)
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:09:30 -0500
From: mer@sol.iii.net (Marc Respass)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: best bassist awards
Message-ID: <v01530502ace24f192509@[199.232.46.229]>
Someone posted about the best bassist awards.
Best Bassists from Bass Player magazine, December 1995
1. Marcus Miller (well deserved, I might add and an excellent interview)
2. Tony Levin
3. Mike Watt
4. Steve Bailey (a truly ridiculous 6-string fretless player)
5. Flea
6. John Patitucci (has he done anything good lately [ducks incoming] )
7. JOHN MYUNG :)
8. Dave LaRue
9. Jeff Ament
10. Paul McCartney
Just thought you all'd like to know
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:36:56 +0000 (GMT)
From: Mr Who? <ma5jw@bath.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Dt Lyrics and "I'm new but I have an idea"
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951129142553.808D-100000@slc-23>
I'm sure I wont be the only one to write this, but to the inventive
chap on the list who decided that it would be a good idea to list our
vavorite bands, we went through all that over a month ago. Still, it was
a good try, and I hope no one flames you for it.
Secondly, I just want to add my point about the Lyrics thing. In
regard to James LaBrie, I think he is a great singer, but sometimes he does
go over the top and his vocals tend to dominate the song. "Voices" Is my
prime example of this. In songs like "Learning to live" or "Take the
time", I feel the balance is just right. In fact, I feel that on "Awake"
the vocals dominate far too much when they appear. "Dont tell me you
wanted me, dont tell me you thought of me...." However I would like to
make the point that I feel he is infinately better than Charlie.
How does anyone think Bruce Dickenson (ex Iron Maiden singer) would
sound as fron man, I often think that James and Him sound similar in
parts.
Jim the funky beer monster.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 13:17:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jonathan Byrne" <RRI02@WVNVM.WVNET.EDU>
To: "YtseJam" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: GP Reader's Poll/James/6 piece
Message-ID: <m0tKr5P-0000JQC@donews.cts.com>
Hey all,
Yesterday I picked up the current Guitar Player, which contained the resutls
of their annual readers poll. I could only skim it (the store owner had one of
those "if you wanna read it, buy it" looks), and noticed only one DT reference:
_Awake_ was tied for third in the metal album category (with what I don't
remember). No individual accolades for the Johns. For the record, Clapton
won best overall. If anybody is a GP reader (gotta be at leastone), maybe
they could elaborate.
About this whole debate on James and his voice. I have absolutely no idea
what kind of guy he is, so I won't even go there. As for his voice, well
it all depends. Sometimes it really does something for me, and other times
he just sounds like your typical metal screamer (no insult intended, I come
from the prog side of prog-metal). I've always kind of hoped his voice will
settle down, kind of like Geddy Lee's did.
One more thing, I don't like the idea of DT as a 6 piece (mcnugget?). One of
the things I've always liked about the traditional prog setup is that one guy
(or girl) is responsible for one instrument. I kind of like it that way.
If JP is soling, then Derek can lay down some chords, and vice versa.
Just my $.02
My God, this post I actually worked in some DT content!
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"In their own image Jonathan Byrne
Their world is fashioned West Virginia University
No wonder they don't understand." rri02@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
-Neil Peart, "Natural Science", Rush
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:30:50 -0500
From: larsh@infinity-online.com (Lars Hellsten)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Message-ID: <199511291930.OAA13549@infinity>
> 2) DT has one entire song completed. It clocks in at around
>twelve minutes and is going to be called either "Raise the Knife" or
>"Raising the Knife" (the band hadn't decided yet). Mike wrote the lyrics
>for it. He says that they've got some other bits and pieces lying around,
>but for now this is the only finished song.
<DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!>
Now waiting for the new album is really gonna kill me. Damn, I didn't get
into DT until after Awake came out, so I've never gone through this before
(waiting for a new album), except with ACOS. Judging by how excited I was
when ACOS came out, I don't think I can make it another 8 months. :) Did
you ask him if there was any chance that they'd play this at the Malibu,
etc. gigs in December? Someone better be bootlegging these shows just in
case (well I guess that's a pretty stupid thing to say, if Brian Cox is
going to be there, well...)
> I'm new to the list, but I have an idea for a new topic string:
> List your Top five favorite bands, besides Dream Theater.
..
>1.Nine Inch Nails
>2.Pearl Jam
>3.Blind Melon
>4.Soundgarden
>5.Hole
Ha ha ha, very funny. I hope this doesn't start -another- one of those "top
5 bands", "top 5 guitarists", etc. threads ...
-- Lars Hellsten <*> "Once I reached for love, and larsh@infinity-online.com <*> now I reach for life" http://infinity-online.com/~larsh/ <*> - Dream Theater------------------------------
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:22:36 -0500 (EST) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Raise the Knife? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951129142032.18204C-100000@galaxian.rs.itd.umich.edu>
Sounds like a sequel to the Killing HAnd :) (or a comment on the OJ trial perhaps?) partha
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Date: 29 Nov 1995 16:40:16 GMT From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1164 Message-ID: <199511292240.AA04401@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 11/29/95 16:14 I've been on this list for about 11 months, now and it's really kinda cool to know I've been here long enough to see re-hashed threads---i.e. James' voice. It's interesting seeing the newer Jammers' opinion albeit a decent number are the same. Anywho....LATER-
Steve
*************************************************************** "I ain't gonna be no repo man!" "Too late.....you already are." ***************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:46:25 -0500 From: Timothy Adams <adamst@wasc.egginc.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: James in a movie???? Message-ID: <s0bc7155.036@wasc.egginc.com>
Hey Jammers,
This past weekend I was watching a stupid USA Up All Night movie and I'd swear that the guitarist in the band was James. The band was called SHOCKRA (sp?). It probably was a fictitious band in the movie and it was called "Fraternity Demon". Really stupid movie but I'd swear it was him. The credits didn't give the band members names so I really have no clue. Anyone have any insight???
-Tim
Oh yea, see ya all in CT for the December 27th show, look for my HUGE Thanks DT for ACOS poster!!!! I'll have the Ytsejammers infamous that night!!!!
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:59:24 -0500 From: bda109@psu.edu (Brian Anderson) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Tickets Tickets Tickets Message-ID: <199511291959.OAA69532@r04n12.cac.psu.edu>
Hello all,
Here's the deal. I have 1 ticket to the Malibu show and 1 ticket to the Birch Hill show that I need to sell. I'm not looking to make any money or anything, so I'll sell them for $15.00 each, with the extra $2.50 accounting for part of the service charge and handling fee and all that junk I had to pay for. So if you need a ticket to either or both shows, let me know (bda109@psu.edu). I'll sell them to whomever replies first I guess. In review: 1 ticket to the Malibu show $15.00 1 ticket to the Birch Hill show $15.00 First come, first serve.
-Brian Anderson
p.s. My friend had to cancel, same friend who decided he couldn't afford to go to the first Ytsecon. I haven't let him live it down yet. I think it cost me about $40 for the weekend.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 14:39:37 CST From: BURGER KING EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH <jccrowder@postman.harding.edu> To: YTSEJAM@anthor.arastar.com Subject: This is kinda cool! Message-ID: <0099A1F0.F8F418A0.146@postman.harding.edu>
I'm a regular poster here on the ytsejam but have been out of town on Thanksgiving break for a week and am catching up on 25!!!! jams or so, and am also having to read about 12 National Midnight Star mailing lists about Rush! Man, are my eyes tired %) !!!! Well, here's something I've been seeing over there and I think it's kinda cool! If you were stranded on a desert island and somehow managed to salvage 5 (only FIVE!!!) CD's which five would you want them to be. These can be of any group. My five Desert Island CD's are:
1) Images & Words 2) Permanent Waves (Rush) 3) Master of Puppets (Metallica) 4) A Change of Seasons 5) A Farewell to Kings (Rush)
Let's just hope that I could salvage an unlimited supply of batteries :) I'm real curious as to what CD's some of you would want to have. Please send them in to the ytsejam. See ya later, guys!
Bon voyage, Chris Crowder
******************************************************************************** * Chris Crowder * Dream Theater, Rush, Alice in Chains, * * HU Box #596 * Queensyrche, Genesis, Metallica, * * Searcy, AR 72149-0001 * Silverchair, Clint Black, Blues Traveler * * * *** and the list goes on *** * * <jccrowder@harding.edu> * * ********************************************************************************
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 12:36:49 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Classical Covers Message-ID: <9511292036.AA12844@tengs1.teng>
> > Hello fellow 'jammers! > > I've lately developed this interest in rock covers of classical > compositions...I thought you fellows (and the unknown amount > of ytsegirls) could help me. Here's the deal: If you know some > rock/metal cover version of some classical composition that isn't > mentioned in the list below, let me know who played which opus. > I'd like you to mail me personally, but if you think the other > jammers need to know this, post it on the 'jam. It's NDTC though. > > > Tcshaikowsky's "1912" has been banged away by Cozy Powell.
1812? > Beethovens "Ode for the joy" has been covered as Rainbow's > "Difficult to cure".
"Ode to Joy" (from the NINth Symphony)
MASTERMIND did Wagner's "The Ride of the Valkryes" and the 'Lone Ranger' section of "The William Tell Overture." (I forget who composed this !>(> I'm not sure, but they might've done others on other albums.
I'd love for DT to do the second section of the "Moonlight Sonata" (Presto Agitato?) That would be too killer.
Zach
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:59:05 -0500 From: GHSRocker@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Ideas Message-ID: <951129165903_38402727@mail02.mail.aol.com>
There has been discussion about vocal harmonies and about using a second guitar player to help fill in the stage sound. Well, I had an idea while making tapes to play at work. Why doesn't the band call up Trevor Rabin? He would be a fine sixth member. He can play guitar, write, and SING!!! His lead vocals are good enough but his harmonies would be more than enough reason to recruit him into Dream Theater. I am NOT saying that James should go, not by any means. To have Rabin on stage singing the harmonies that no one else will, as well as shadowing Petrucci on rhythm guitar, it should make for a very FULL show. Getting back to making tapes...I have to listen to a classic rock radio station. I have no choice. Someone else controls the thing and I hate that. However, a cassette deck was recently purchased. Now I can make tapes of music that you don't hear everyday. Take Dream Theater, as a good example. After listening to Boston, BTO, Bob Seger, the latest Aerosmith ballad, the latest Van Halen ballad and The Breeze by Lynyrd Skynyrd, even (dare I say it publicly) country starts to sound good. If you are in the Cleveland or Akron Ohio area, you already know what station I am talking about. I put together some tapes containing EARLY Genesis with P. Gabriel and S. Hackett still in the band. I mixed it up with a little live DT and then some live Genesis then some more DT from Acoustic Dreams. I got rave reviews for the first tape. Now all I have to do is make about 5 more tapes. Shouldn't be hard to do, considering I have about 7 DT disc currently and almost all of the Genesis remasters. If you have any suggestions as to what else might sound better than classic rock, feel free to let me know. Talk to all of you later, George.
Drunk man says: You got a fukin' problem??!!! Followed by my older brother saying to him: NO!! Followed by drunk man falling flat on his back after receiving a powerful roundhouse by my older brother. - G.S. 1995
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:50:54 -0500 From: aar1@cornell.edu (Alexis A. Ramos) To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Funny shit! Message-ID: <v02120000ace284815b09@[132.236.176.55]>
Marty Jameson wrote:
>Hi, > I'm new to the list, but I have an idea for a new topic string: > List your Top five favorite bands, besides Dream Theater. >Here's mine: > >1.Nine Inch Nails >2.Pearl Jam >3.Blind Melon >4.Soundgarden >5.Hole > > Well, bye. > >Marty
Hey Marty, are you kidding us? You must be, because you included Blind Melon. It was pretty funny, I must say :-)> Please, to the people just subscribing to the list, don't even think about doing this, for it has been done before, and it wasn't pretty. Bye. (Hey Marty, don't take it personal, if you were serious about this post).
############################################ Recuerden que: 1) El que rie ultimo, rie mejor. 2) A caballo regalado no se le mira el colmillo. 3) El que se pica es porque aji come. 4) El que madruga, Dios lo ayuda. 5) Juego de manos, juego de villanos. Que no se les olvide.
Atentamente
El chupa-cabro de Cornell (presidente del La Duque Fan Club),
Alexis
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:52:29 GMT From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT covered by... Message-ID: <9511292252.AA21112@barren.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Neil wrote: > - which band would you like to hear cover which DT song?
I think Deep Purple might do a nice version of that DT classic, "Perfect Strangers".
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:14:31 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: James LaBrie Message-ID: <9511292314.AA29182@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To tell you the truth, when James made the foreign jokes, I really think he was joking with the audience. I mean, when you have guys screaming at you in Italian, what are you supposed to do? So gHe made a joke. I really don't think anyone made a big deal about it. I don't see anything wrong with it. I don't think it's an attack on foreigner audiences. My opinion, but still, ...
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:44:44 +0000 From: eiagm@eznet.net To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: various Message-ID: <199511292201.RAA00686@mail1.eznet.net>
> > I don't know about all this complaining about James' voice by > >some. I love his voice. The only complaint I have about it is that > >he overdoes the breathing. He gets all breathy, you can hear him > >breathing during the song. That stuff's gotta go. But the actual > >singing is great. More harmonies is a good idea. > > I've always found that to be one of the strengths/interests of James' voice. > As long as he doesn't overdo it, I love it. It adds some depth and emotion > to his singing.
He does overdo it, that was my point. And there is no need to hear him inhaling in preparation to sing the next phrase - its been done (eg Steve Miller), its stupid.
> > I would like to see (hear) JP playing in a whole different > >style than we've been hearing on the albums. the beginning riff of > >"Scarred" is a good example of a guitar style we don't hear much from > >DT. We've had the scale runs, the arpegiating, we loved it, but I > >would like there to be some things in new styles. Something > > Noooo!!! I don't know if I'm the only person here who doesn't like the > intro to Scarred, I don't know how to describe my thoughts very well here, > but I guess you could say I just find it kind of boring.
Sounds like you just don't like blues. The riff at the beginning of Scarred is a very bluesy riff. I like the classical scales and arpeggios as much as the next guy, but if you never branch out, It'll get boring. Steve Morse is an example of this IMO - his two latest albums, "Structural Damage" and "Full Circle" have NOTHING new to offer from his previous music. The songs on Structural damage even reuse all sorts of material from "Southern Steel" and "Coast to Coast". If JP and DT don't stretch themselves, there won't be much point to getting more of their albums - just more of the same. But I have no worries cause I'm pretty sure they intend to stretch.
> I don't think you have much to worry about. Dream Theater aren't the most > popular band, but they're still pretty popular. At least where I live. > They get enough exposure and have enough hardcore fans that they'll always > have a reasonably sized audience, no matter what they do. Also, if they > start making radio friendly songs, and realize people like that stuff, who's > to say they won't make 4 or 5 on the next album after that?
You are probably right, but I worry nonetheless. One thing I don't worry about is that they'd attain some success and then abandon their true music. If anything, the "real" musicians tend to go in the opposite direction - they get really weird and "out there".
Mike Stover eiagm@eznet.net http://home.eznet.net/~spider/spider.htm
"He who can copy, can do" - Leonardo Da Vinci
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:32:18 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: questions and stuff Message-ID: <9511292332.AA25284@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
For a while, didn't Van halen have a rhythm guitarist on tour? I saw a video where Sammy played guitar on some songs. It kind of threw me a llittle bit. It almost seemed very ... non-Halen.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 17:23:28 CST From: MillerA@act.org To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: KEYBOARDS AND DREAM THEATER/THEIR NEW ALBUM................. Message-ID: <9510298176.AA817695007@SMTP.ACT.ORG>
> I think they should get rid of Derek. Keyboards are > unnecessary for DT (heck, for any rock band), anyway. > Anyone who's heard _Awake_ can attest to that.
> Zach
Damn your blasphemous (spelling?) soul. Are you a guitarist? You know how many guitarist's i've encountered that feel the same as you? I myself am a keyboardist and reject any statements that indicate that keyboards are unnecessary in a rock band, especially prog rock. _Awake_ was a great album, but it didn't come close to _Images and Words_. Try and picture ACOS without any keys, i can't. I can't think of a single progressive rock song that i like that doesn't include keyboards. Keyboardists can do alot that guitarists can't, and vice versa. You can't get the same 'sonic feeling' without the use of a synth. (i.e. the intro to ACOS). And synths don't have the same human feel that guitars have. An equal balance of the two, in conjunction with a monster bassist and drummer makes for a perfect musical situation. (i.e. Dream Theater)
Personally I like Kevin Moore's playing better, but I really haven't heard enough of Derek's playing or writing, etc. to make a fair judgement yet. Dream Theater IS quite possibly the most gifted band of all time, and no changes should be made to their current setup.
Wow. Hope i didn't come off to strong. It just irritates me when people slam keyboardists. And yes, I do take the statement above as an insult.
As for the new album, i don't want to speculate. I want to be surprised. I want to be dazzled. I want to be reminded (yeah, like i need to be) of why DT is one of my favorite bands. IF YOU GUYS ARE READING THIS.... KEEP UP THE EXCELLENT WORK!! (and play in Iowa more often)
Later.
Andy, the humble keyboardist trying to survive in a world dominated by grunge and ignorance. (the two kinda go hand in hand, don't you think???)
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 17:38:52 -0600 (CST) From: Kyle Mallett <krm95g@timon.acu.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: NDTC, Susan Moscardini please e-mail me Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.951129173629.4102E-100000@timon.acu.edu>
I'm sorry to post this on the Jam, but... Would Susan Moscardini please e-mail me. I tried e-mailing you today and got the message returned saying that address had been deactivated. Thanks.
Kyle Mallett krm95g@timon.acu.edu
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:54:33 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: should they keep James? Message-ID: <9511292354.AA16934@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, Zach.
Keyboards are unnecessary? what narrow minded attitude is that? I bet all the keyboardists on this list are lining up to flame you right now. So let me be one of them. Keyboards are great. They can take guitars in diverse sounds. There are so many different applications for keyboards that it's scary. Guitars don't have the same diversity in sound, IMHO. And keyboards can take the place of entire bands. Can guitars? No. Drums? No. Bass? No. Vocals. Maybe if you went back to barbershop quartets. Sorry, but I can replace all of you with my keyboard rig. And make it sound like a band. What do you have to say to that?
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 18:58:16 EST From: Damon M. Fibraio <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: James's voice Message-ID: <9511292358.AA19978@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I think people hate James's voice because he is too eighties at times. Not that I am compolaining. People don't like eighties music anymore because it's very meelodic. Some will say that melodic music is cheesy. Which is the reason why most eighties music is disliked by trendy people. Just because James likes to write more melodic vocal lines and doesn't sing horribly doesn't mean he sucks. But people like to knock what they don't understand and progressive rock is the big misunderstood music form around.
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:11:36 -0500 From: Skooc@aol.com To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: DT songs coverred by other bands Message-ID: <951129191136_38570870@mail06.mail.aol.com>
In ytsejam 1164 Neil Gallop writes:
>>which band would you like to hear cover which DT song? I would like to hear Van Hagar cover 6:00. Don't ask me why, I just think it would sound cool. If you go back to bands that are no longer together, I thinnk Stryper would have done a good job with Another Day. Those arre just a couple off the top of my head. Of course these are IMO.
For the Christians on the list. I was watching Muchmusic Wed. and Sook was interviewing The Flaming Lips and they compared God to cigarettes. Don't flame me, flame Muchmusic.
Some Rockin' Christmas tunes. "Weird Al" Yankovic - Christmas at Ground Zero the Dickies - Silent Night The Kinks - Father Christmas Spinal Tap - Christmas With The Devil And the Grandaddy of them all..... King Diamond - No Presents For Christmas
>>"Cruel and inhuman punishments are being carefully described in tiny >>paragraphs so they won't conflict with the Constitution (which, itself, >>is being modified in order to accomodate THE FUTURE)."
This is the work of the Genius of Frank Zappa. It is The Central Scrutinizer; the opening track from Joe's Garage Act 1.
What do I want to hear on the new DT Disc? I don't care as long as it rocks.I'm not hard to please. If it rocks, I like it.
That's all I got. Jam on.... Scott
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 19:22:46 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Van Opstall <vnopstal@cs.hope.edu> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1164 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.90.951129192150.27631B-100000@smaug>
Hey guys --
Are you gonna learn that people can easily fake e-mail.
The post that someone made about top 5 bands again was OBVIOUSLY a fraud. Did you read the band names listed? It is NOT a bona fide message, I guarantee it...
Michael A. Van Opstall -- vnopstal@cs.hope.edu http://www.cs.hope.edu/~vnopstal/deal.html - try it
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