YTSEJAM Digest 1035
Today's Topics:
1) DT transcribers
by William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
2) Mike S' reply to the poll
by haiders@kenyon.edu
3) You Know Who You Are.....
by WarrenDW@aol.com
4) Hey DT fans
by happe@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
5) YTSEJAM digest 1029
by rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu (Ryan Inverso)
6) fav non-DT bands
by gilbert1@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jeff Gilbert)
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1034
by acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
8) DOH! sorry sorry sorry!
by acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
9) Re: Various sellouts
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
10) Bob and Doug on CD
by imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 13:31:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: William Kriski <wkriski@enci.ucalgary.ca>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT transcribers
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951015132837.7804B-100000@casual1>
'jammers,
I don't agree with the guy who said not to bother with transcribing
because there'll be so many mistakes. I've bought a lot of tab books and
have found countless errors as well (not just typos). But having very
fast parts tabbed out saves me a lot of time, that I can spend practising
the licks. I'm sure they use tape machines to slow things down.
Maybe some of the guitarists out there have made mistakes transcribing,
but usually the majority is correct and small errors can be discussed and
corrected. The value of transcribing music by ear has many benefits to a
growing guitarist.
Will
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 15:58:05 EST
From: haiders@kenyon.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mike S' reply to the poll
Message-ID: <00997E9F.7A2E87E0.63@kenyon.edu>
Mike S.--BLIND MELON!?!???
Are you aware that Blind Melon has gone out of their way to bash Dream
Theater? They should be put to death.
Sean Haider
bassist, INTROSPECTION
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Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 02:13:18 -0400
From: WarrenDW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: You Know Who You Are.....
Message-ID: <951005021315_36887545@mail06.mail.aol.com>
Many threads here folks...
First of all to JIMMY...lighten up man! Your low-class response to Bafu
Vai's interpretation of ACOS lyrics was really a low-class response, Mercy
Fuck.... I am
repeating myself!! I am sorry but: you are............an........ asshole!
Our famous ACOS reviewer Jason Fuckett, er Fickett....really big asshole. I
read the post about understanding where he might be coming from and I realize
he didn't really post his review for us to read on the Jam...still a really
big asshole.
Now Hairball: I HAVE a CD player....NOT a CD recorder. If you have access to
one then
you are an...well you know. If you don't then..........you are not.
Jaime.... maybe I am jealous of your sig., or maybe you designed it just so_
I_ would
get a damn headache reading it. I am not usually paranoid but I think you did
it on purpose. I think you owe me some Tylenol!! Although, I will admit I
like it.
Is a sig. possible using AOL?? Don't think so... BTW....I think God is
paying you back for giving me a headache by destroying your monitor IMHPO, of
course.
Anyone who goes to a John Petrucci clinic in Florida or anywhere else is an
asshole.
You can redeem yourself to me by recording it on video and sending it to me,
along with
lots of cash so I can buy some more Tylenol.
ANAGRAMS and DT. Went on the Web and found an anagram generator. I received
over 900 different word combinations. The two I liked best were..DREAM THEE
ART, and
TEAM RED HEART. I got another headache reading all of them.
More DT content. I just picked up The Silent Man single with The Silent Man,
obviously, and Take the Time and Eve....or TSM single with TSM,TTT, and E for
those of us that are into letters. Take the Time is an earlier demo version
that has some interesting
differences...vocal mix, lyrics, guitar/effects,( especially on the intro),
the drum mix, keys. Interesting to get a snapshot on how they developed the
song. For those of you that DON'T have this CD I guess I am the
asshole...boy it sure feels good to be one...at least in this case <:8).
More DT content. There is simply no better band on earth than Dream Theater.
If you
disagree then ...well you know.
Dream Theater International Fan Club...No I am _still_ not a member
officially. I mean
they still have my money and I have the cancelled check. I think I am going
to send them
a registered letter demanding that they give me what I paid for and also
demand that
all five band members come here to Portland Oregon and give me all the fan
club goodies in person. Boy won't that be cool.
Images and Words...the official fanzine from England..has an interview with
James
LaBrie and he talks about " Mercy Fuck VS. Sympathy" ( JIMMY...please
substitute Mercy Duck..)
Images and Words # 7 August
1995.....................................................................
" Yeah. Mike will comment on this too, but, it was basically I brought it up
to him, it's
one thing if I speak with that word in my own personal life, and I don't
want to come
off sounding like pompous or stuck up, or hypocritical for that matter, but
to me I really
do not want to be associated with that type of language, with profanity, in
the context of music. I think that there are many words within the English
diction that can be just as
powerful or just as emotional, than to use a word of that nature, to be shock
value if you might want to say that, or whatever. I just thought that when
it comes to creative forces, that's one thing that I want to do without, I
don't want that element within the context of music. I spoke up, and the
other guys in the band seemed to agree, and it was more or less Mike and I
working things out and coming to a decision. I said to Mike that I
wanted people's focus and attention on the music composition and on
everything else
that is within it, not the whole topic and speak of it being "Hey, did you
hear what they
did?" It takes the focus off the most important thing, and that is the music"
End of quote...I know there a lot of commas, however, I copied it correctly.
Warren in Oregon
Warren, still not a fan club member
Warren, choosing between beer and Tylenol...Jaime!!
Warren, expecting a call from the band letting me know when they will arrive
here
Warren, no fancy sig.... Jaime!!
Warren, no CD recorder Hairball!
Warren, let's keep the Mercy Fuck thread going for Jimmy.
***legal stuff*** in no way am I really calling anyone an asshole. This is
just a humor break on the Jam. Don't take anything seriously OK. Except for
Jimmy.
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:56:11 -0600 (CST)
From: happe@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Hey DT fans
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.951015164758.650120631C-100000@SLUVCA.SLU.EDU>
This is my first post so I thought I'd take the time (no pun intended) to
say hello to everyone. I really need a place to get up-to-date info on
Dream Theater. I seem to be the only person in St. Louis who even knows
who they are. I have to recruit people to go see them when I'm in town.
I even went to one of their shows alone! <sniff>.
I did have a question for everyone. I've been a DT fan for three years
now and have listened to them non-stop and searched for every CD I could
get my hands on ever since I first put the CD in the CD player. It was
like I finally found THE band for me! Anyway, my question is, where do I
find other bands like DT? Heavy, intricate, yet still melodic, and going
off in the strangest musical directions you could think of...yet still
geling as one complete song. In the days "alternative" music (which I do
like a lot of music that would fit in this category), it's difficult to
find music that is not in the mainstream. I have bands like Galactic
Cowboys, Damn the Machine, King's X, and Faith No More, and Fates
Warning, but I was wondering if anyone could suggest some other bands
that would fit into the heavy, prog rock category.
Rocketboy >>I'll be your satellite of Love<<
P.S. I forgot to mention Rush up there...how could I??? :)
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 16:34:48 EDT
From: rinverso@cosi.stockton.edu (Ryan Inverso)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1029
Message-ID: <memo.622779@cosi.stockton.edu>
Hey Jammers,
I just got my tix. for the 29th at the Birch Hill. Can't wait...Anyone
else from the Trenton NJ area going I"m just wondering if there are any
other Jammers in my area. For those of you wondering they were 15 bucks
form Ticketmaster. Later.
The Revolution Rocks on,
Ryan Inverso
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 16:53:55 -0400
From: gilbert1@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jeff Gilbert)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: fav non-DT bands
Message-ID: <199510152053.QAA11808@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
1) Rush
2) Queensryche
3) Tori Amos
4) Led Zepellin
5) Frank Zappa
See ya at El-N-Gee's!
****************************************************
* "Everyday people, everyday shame *
* Everyday promise shot down in flames *
* Every day sunrise, another everyday story *
* Rise from the ashes, a blaze of everyday glory" *
* *
* -Rush *
****************************************************
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:08:52 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1034
Message-ID: <199510152108.RAA03135@zork.tiac.net>
Hey all, first some boot talk...
>Someone was looking to find out about all the instrumentals. Also, people say
>that Moon Bubbles is the lengthy instrumental jam after TLF. The way I
>understand it is: Moon Bubbles was an instrumental played during the first
>part of the I&W tour (played before Another Day) and consisted strictly of
>guitar and bass (the title fits this track well). Barfbag is the lengthy jam
>following TLF that was played on boots such Lords of Sound (a show I was at)
>and Dream in Progress and it is on the Live in Tokyo video.
>
>My question is: there is a DIFFERENT instrumental that follows TLF on the
>Lost in the Sky boot - what is the name of it? Any going to any future
>Portnoy clinics, PLEASE ask him - I'm sure he's familiar with the boot. The
>date for this boot is 11/15/93 (last leg of I&W tour) if that helps. Thanx.
>
I always thought that the instrumental on LitS WAS barfbag. Because on one
of his Guitar World columns he transcribed some of it, and described it as
being bluesy. The LitS instrumental sounds more bluesy than the LiT, which
is more of a guitar showcase instrumental concidering the band isn't even
playing much of anything half the time. Also the person who dubbed LitS
wrote Barfbag after TLF, so I assumed he was reading from the CD cover
Now who sold out?...
>Countdown to Extinction may have been a sellout, but it was not because of
>anything Metallica did. Both CtE and the black album came out in 1992,
>Metallica's in mid-August, not sure about the other.
Nope, Metallica's self titled came out in mid-Augest 1991, Countdown was
summer of 1992 (I think summer...). So Mustaine certainly had plenty of time
to look at what was going on around him in the music scene at that point
>Both bands seem to have gone to writing shorter, less complex tunes.
>*That's* what disappoints me the most. The greatest thing is when a band
>can write long(ish) songs that are so tight, they feel shorter, like "One"
>or "Holy Wars..."
>
>With DT, it's like PMU, which I still can't believe is over 8 minutes long.
>Hopefully, DT will continue to push the envelope.
You think PMU seems short, to me, at the end of ACOS I'm always like..."it's
over ALREADY!?" hehe
adam
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>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 95 00:30:08 -0500
>From: Dan Carlisle <dancar@ix.netcom.com>
>To: Michael Coghlan <coghlanm@ix.netcom.com>
>Cc: "ytsejam@arastar.com" <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
>Subject: Re: my comments back at ya.
>Message-ID: <199510150433.VAA23991@ix5.ix.netcom.com>
>
>-- [ From: Dan Carlisle * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --
>
>Michael,
>
>I'm CC'ing the Jam cause I feel this is important........... Or maybe self-
>important, you decide :)
>
>Michael C. wrote,
>
>> "sometimes I feel this list is comprised of 15 year olds that are
>fasinated
>> with the F___ word".
>
>Dan says:
>
>I agree in principle but, I would like to offer the following:
>
>It seems to me that the Jam is populated by two factions : 1) The younger
>metal heads who discover DT via M. Pornoy's heavy duty kit work, or J.
>Petrucci's blinding fingers ( God bless em' both !! ) .... and ..... 2)
>People who's "progressive tastes" run the spectrum of the likes of DT, King
>Crimson, Allan Holdsworth, Chick Corea, Bela Fleck, Echolyn, David Benoit
>, Saga etc.etc.etc.
>
>What i'm trying to say is that most ( but certainly not all ) of the younger
>listeners haven't yet explored what may be "out of the mainstream". I have
>a 15 year old and while he doesn't run around using the F word ( at least
>not within earshot of me ! ), he definitly follows the predictible MTV buzz
>bands ! I have turned him on to alot of other types of music to broaden his
>appreciation for other varieties. He has also done the same for me
>( good examples are Helmet and Megadeth ) While we may dislike the
>profane content of some posts, we must allow room for personal expression. (
>It's something I think everyone grows out of sooner or later anyway ) Take
>it as an opportunity to enlighten the uninformed and voice opinions on DT
>and other musical formats that don't revlove around profanity and violence.
>You may even discover something in return.
>( BTW, check out Eddie Jobson, Zinc - The Green Album circa 1982 :) )
>
>>Furthermore I stated that I expected more out of DT than
>> to record profanity on CDs and that they were a class act and could call
>on
>> the more than 600,000 words in the English language to express feelings
>and
>> etc..... I believed that DT was progessive and above that type of
>> writing/lyrics.
>
>Considering what has been written to date, it is apparent they don't need
>to stoop to the level of "shock" lyrics to get their point across.
>
>For all the Jammers who are still reading and haven't skipped on to find the
>next reference to Mercy F_
>..... read on.
>
>> >Images and Words...the official fanzine from England..has an interview
>with
>> >James LaBrie and he talks about " Mercy Fuck VS. Sympathy"
>
>J LaB. says:
>> >"Yeah. Mike will comment on this too, but, it was basically I brought it
>up
>> >to him, it's one thing if I speak with that word in my own personal life,
>
>> >and I don't want to come off sounding like pompous or stuck up, or
>> >hypocritical for that matter, but to me I really do not want to be
>associated
>> >with that type of language, with profanity in the context of music. I
>think
>> >that there are many words within the English diction that can be just as
>> >powerful or just as emotional, than to use a word of that nature, to be
>shock
>> >value if you might want to say that, or whatever.
>>
>> >I just thought that when it comes to creative forces, that's one thing
>that
>> >I want to do without, I don't want that element within the context of
>music.
>> >I spoke up, and the other guys in the band seemed to agree, and it was
>more
>> >or less Mike and I working things out and coming to a decision. I said
>to
>> >Mike that I wanted people's focus and attention on the music composition
>> >and on everything else that is within it, not the whole topic and speak
>of it
>> >being "Hey, did you hear what they did?" It takes the focus off the most
>> >important thing, and that is the music"
>>
>> >End of quote
>
>
>Manna for the Masses,
>
>Jam On !!
>
>Dan
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:43:57 -0400
>From: Skooc@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: Echolyn
>Message-ID: <951015004356_44902311@mail04.mail.aol.com>
>
>I've been on the jam for about two months now and I've heard Echolyn
>mentioned quite a few times.I was at a used book store Sat night and the had
>a used copy of their newest cd for sale. I thought about buying it but I've
>never heard any of their stuff before. Can anyone enlighten me about what
>kind of sound they have. I would most appreciate it.
>
>Also, in reply to the guy that wanted to know about what DT songs to play for
>a metallica, slayer, etc. fan. My recommendations would be just about any of
>the heavier songs from Awake. I am still new to DT music (I bought I&W in
>1993, but didn't listening to them seriously till about three months ago),
>Even though I&W is my favorite, Awake is a much more raw sounging record,
>which I think would appeal more to the speed/thrash fans. That's just one
>man's opinion.
>
>Did anyone catch the Live chat with Van Halen on the aol Fri. night? That had
>to be the biggest pile of crap I have ever seen. What a waste of time.
>
>(im)patiently waiting for my Acoustic Dreams cd.
>
>Scott Cook
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:54:46 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
>To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
>Subject: Selling Out (NDTC)
>Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951014233756.8950C-100000@solix>
>
>
>I think I was the one that got the whole Metallica sold out/didn't sell out
>debate going. For the record, I don't think they did. Whenever any band
>sells a lot of albums, they get accused of selling out. It's
>inevitable. If a long-time fan doesn't like the album, he/she vents
>his/her anger by saying that the band sold out. Metallica still cares
>about their fans, and when you stop caring about your fans, that's a sure
>sign that a band has sold out.
>
>To the guy that said Megadeth sold out:
>
>I don't think they did. CtE was a slight change in direction towards the
>kind of stuff on Youthanasia. CtE shows a maturity in Mr. Mustaine that
>wasn't as prevalent on RiP. (RiP still ROCKED!) Youthanasia is a yet
>another incarnation of Megadeth.
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>All of the above is only MHO, of course.
>
>*******************************************************************************
>Elliott Kim Florida International University
>ekim01@fiu.edu
>
> "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar:
> now that's my idea of a good time."
> -Frank Zappa
>
>*******************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
>To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
>Subject: Random stuff/errata (NDTC, sorry)
>Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951014235453.8950D-100000@solix>
>
>
>Stuff that you Ytsejammers might be interested in:
>
>I was at Blockbuster Music today and I was messing with that computer
>that tells you about new releases, searches for CD's by artist or title.
>
>I looked up Fates Warning and _Perfect Symmetry_ has been discontinued!!!
>It really breaks my heart to see the work of a great band become out of
>print. However, it was the only one of their CD's that was designated as
>discontinued.
>
>To any Savatage fans: I picked up _Handful of Rain_. Very good indeed.
>Skolnick is an absolute MONSTER! Sorry, but I can only excuse the "Wrath
>of Zeus" snare drum on only one CD (and you all know which CD that is). New
>Savatage album will be out on the 24th.
>
>My favorite bands besides Dream Theater (in no particular order):
>
>Van Halen Lynyrd Skynyrd Led Zeppelin Rush
>
>Fates Warning Metallica Queen
>
>Honorable Mention: Megadeth, Chicago, Slayer, Yngwie, Dregs/Steve Morse
>Band, ELP, Ozzy (w/Randy Rhoads only), Savatage, Eric Clapton, Pink Floyd,
>Tori Amos, Larry Carlton, Boston, Echolyn, Weather Report, Yes, Bach,
>Beethoven, Chopin!, Mozart, Paganini.
>
>Stuff that I get made fun of for liking: All of the above and, ABBA, the
>Hellecasters, Mary-Chapin Carpenter, Yanni, Vangelis, Kitaro, Kate Bush,
>Various Broadway musicals.
>
>Oh well, some semi-DT content:
>
>In regard to the transcription debate. NO ONE can perfectly transcribe
>anything, not even one's own work. The best transcribers get very very
>very close. To tell you the truth, it's even difficult to accurately
>transcribe somehting you yourself have played! The pitches of the notes
>can be accurately done, but articulations and nuances cannot.
>Traditional notation is only an approximation anyway, and tabulature is
>even less precise. (BTW, tabulature was invented in the 16th century and
>pre-dates traditional notation for fretted instruments).
>
>I have the I&W and Awake tab books. Yeah, they're full of mistakes just
>like any other transcriptions, but the scrutiny is especially tough on
>DT tab because of the complexity of the music. But for anyone who's
>attempting to transcribe ACOS or anything else, do so by all means. I've
>tried it, and had some success, and most other rock songs actually become
>simpler to transcribe! No joke. After a dose of DT, I breezed through
>some other, simpler stuff.
>
>************************************************************************
>Elliott Kim Florida International University
>ekim01@fiu.edu
>**********Artifical intelligence is better than real stupidity**********
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:16:55 -0400
>From: JennieBear@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: More miscellaneous schtuff!
>Message-ID: <951015011652_124218657@mail02.mail.aol.com>
>
>Many months ago (February?) someone in Germany said that they would be
>sending me some info on the new Pretty Maids album. Thus far, I've heard
>nada. :( Since I know there's a few PM fans on the list, can anyone tell me
>anything about the new album? Ig? Kai? Anyone?
>
>------------------
>
>What happened to resurrecting the bot for #ytsejam? Every time, I log onto
>IRC, I do a /who #ytsejam and get nada as well. :/
>
>Jen
>--
>"Could we see clearer in a virtual reality?" - Magellan
>"I am the beat of your pulse/the computer word made flesh" - Queensryche
>
> jenniebear@aol.com kethry@netcom.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 01:32:30 -0400
>From: gilbert1@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Jeff Gilbert)
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: re: two tough questions
>Message-ID: <199510150532.BAA10304@minerva.cis.yale.edu>
>
>1) I don't consider Metallica's black album their best album ("Ride the
>Lightning" holds that honor for me, followed closely by "Master of
>Puppets"), but I don't consider it a sellout either.
>
>2) I like Pearl Jam too. I'm not a huge STP fan, but they're not bad.
>
>
>
>****************************************************
>* "Everyday people, everyday shame *
>* Everyday promise shot down in flames *
>* Every day sunrise, another everyday story *
>* Rise from the ashes, a blaze of everyday glory" *
>* *
>* -Rush *
>****************************************************
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:13:15 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: My web page!!!
>Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951015041135.24482A-100000@bonjour.cc.columbia.edu>
>
>Dear jammers,
>
>Hey there! I just learned how to create a web page today, so I'm really
>excited about it! Anyways, check it out:
>
>http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309
>
>Hope you guys like it!
>
>Yours,
>Jeff =)
>
><<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
> "You are sunlight and I, moon Jeff Chew is:
> joined by the gods of fortune jc309@columbia.edu
> midnight and high noon (212) 853-6952
> sharing the sky
> we have been blessed, you and I" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon
><<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:15:28 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Douglas Merrell <merrell@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: Mike, John P. Clinics; Attention:
>Message-ID: <199510150815.EAA05020@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
>
>Hey Jammers,
>
>I need to, first of all, ask for the attention of Dale Brandt.
>
>DALE, I have your tape and I have been trying to get in touch with
>you. I have misplaced your address and I need you to send it to me
>if you want to get your copy of Subconscious. Sorry for the wait,
>but I just didn't realize that you didn't send me your address on a
>separate piece of paper. Please email me at the address below.
>
>Now, that's out of the way. This is something that I have been think-
>ing about ever since you people have been posting about the Mike Portnoy,
>John Petrucci Clinics:
>How do you find out where they are going to be next? Was there a list
>of the places that they are going? Is it something that only musicians
>are allowed to know about? Could somebody tell me if John Petrucci is
>coming anywhere near the North Florida/South Georgia area? Thanks.
>
>These sound like a really cool thing to see. Why is it that they can't
>tell someone on the list so they can send it out to everyone? I know
>everyone on the list would love to see them in this sort of presentation.
>I have a musician friend that just told me about a Mike Portnoy clinic
>in Tampa. Is this one of the places that he is visiting?
>
>Thanks for any info available,
>doug
>
>***************************************************************************
>** FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY _________ <"Winter's cold spring **
>** DOUG MERRELL |PROG || > erases And the calm **
>** | RULES|| < away by the storm is **
>** COMPUTER SCIENCE |________|| > chasen Everything **
>**EMAIL: merrell@cs.fsu.edu /DREAM // < good needs replacing"**
>** or merrelld@freenet.fsu.edu /__THEATER// > - Dave Matthews **
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>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 04:22:49 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "Damian G. Allis" <dgallis@mailbox.syr.edu>
>To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
>Subject: Tab...
>Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951015041520.20085C-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
>
> I think it's high time all us ytsedrummers combined our efforts,
>decided on a single protocol, and started posting our interpretations of
>the grooves that are making these riffs what they are. Nothing confuses
>the fertilizer out of a guitarist like drum literature (and guitar tab,
>from what I've seen in Syracuse :b ).
>
> Anxiously awaiting Ac. Drms.
> Damian
> #8-)=
>
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 08:27:16 -0400
>From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1033
>Message-ID: <199510151227.IAA17414@zork.tiac.net>
>
>>
>>The one who sold out around that time would have to be Dave Mustaine,
>>IMO. I mean, I love Megadeth and all, but he totally sold out after
>>Metallica's Black album. Dave saw that Metallica (Megadeth's major
>>rival in the same genre) had slightly changed their style from speed
>>metal to a more straight-up metal. His follow-up to Metallica's
>>Black album was Countdown To Extinction, and this was coming off
>>Megadeth's speed Rust In Peace (their best IMO). Their were still
>>some great songs off of CtE like "Ashes..." and such, but overall the
>>whole thing wreaked off sellout. Maybe I'm wrong...
>>
>
>Mustaine said in at least one interview I've read that he "only plays guitar
>for the money" and then he talked about how he wants to be with his family
>etc etc.This started during Countdown when his wife got pregnant. He
>obviously put less attention into some of the songs, however I don't really
>see countdown as the big sell out, it'd have to be Youthanasia. Although
>there are some ok tunes on the album (and a cleverly mispelled title), the
>whole album is much of the same. The band would chug out song after song
>with verse-chorus-verse-choruse-solo-verse with no variation. There was no
>shredding, progression, or even a chance to let Marty Friedman shine. After
>making the album the band always raved about how fun it was to make it. I
>think I can see why it'd be a lot less work to make a thoughtless album that
>would sell lots of copies, then to work for a more interesting album (DT
>content) that you could feel better about in the long run. But if the band
>thinks they can please their fans by continuing with that style, we'll see
>what Mustaine chooses to do come next album...
>
>
>
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 11:32:29 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: old bridge, nj
>Message-ID: <199510151532.LAA06322@umbc9.umbc.edu>
>
>Can someone tell me where Old Bridge , New Jersey is? Is it more south
>or more north of Camden?
>
>
>--
>**************************************************************************
>* Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu *
>* *
>* You're fighting the weight of the world, *
>* and no one can save you this time. *
>* Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. *
>* *
>* "Take the Time" - Dream Theater *
>**************************************************************************
>
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>
>Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 12:29:46 -0400
>From: AirDance@aol.com
>To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
>Subject: "Lie" / **Digital** Subconscious dubs
>Message-ID: <951015122945_124367254@emout05.mail.aol.com>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>On Saturday, Oct. 14th, Jen Sharward <JennieBear@aol.com>, who's first name
>I love, of course <G>, asked:
>
>"I suppose I should direct this to Jen Albert... I've often wondered about
>the significance of some of the lyrics in 'Lie,' and since you know Kev, I
>thought maybe you could enlighten me. :) The lyric that really sticks in my
>head is 'I wanna talk about lifelong mistakes, and you can tell your
>stepfather I said so.' It seems really clear that Kevin is relating some
>personal experience, but what?"
>
>Besides the information that is currently listed about the song in the YJ
>FAQ, some of which I supplied, I can't really say that I know much more about
>it than anyone else. I do know that "Lie" was inspired by the same
>experience that inspired "Space-Dye Vest." Both songs are different ways of
>looking at this one particular relationship that went bad and how it affected
>him (obviously, very deeply). Just speaking personally, I've always
>interpreted the lyric you specifically mentioned in its most literal sense;
>it says exactly what it means. There is also some religious symbolism in the
>lyrics as well (which some of you "old timers" might remember lead to quite
>an intense discussion on the list awhile back), but I don't see any blatant
>parallel between that particular line and the symbolism that's used elsewhere
>in the song. Do any of our illustrious lyric interpreters here on the list
>have any ideas? :)
>
>I will try to remember to ask him to elaborate on this. He doesn't like to
>talk about his "past" these days because he's really trying to make an effort
>to move on (like the rest of the band), but maybe I can catch him in a really
>revealing mood sometime. :^)
>
>
>BTW, I haven't seen this posted this to the list yet by Trey, but Mike Bahr
>has given his ok for me to open up a digital _Subconscious_ dub site. If you
>are in need of a DAT copy of this glorious CD instead of just a regular
>analog cassette, drop me an e-mail & we'll work out the proper arrangements.
>:)
>
>
>Take care folks,
>
>Jennifer
><airdance@aol.com>
>Vicky Pratt Keating tour dates:
>Oct. 14 - Blue Ridge Heritage Festival - Front Royal, VA
>Oct. 18 - Virginia Western College (11:30am) - Roanoke, VA
>Oct. 20 - NACA (upper Midwest showcase - Mainstage) - Cedar Rapids, IA
>
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:16:15 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (Adam Cook)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DOH! sorry sorry sorry!
Message-ID: <199510152116.RAA03819@zork.tiac.net>
sorry fellow DT fans, but I just made the stupid mistake of posting half a
jam to the jam...it was a total accident sorry sorry sorry..now I don't want
to waste more space with this post
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:37:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Various sellouts
Message-ID: <30817F1C.B99D.03F3.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
>Countdown to Extinction may have been a sellout, but it was not
>because of anything Metallica did. Both CtE and the black album came
>out in 1992, Metallica's in mid-August, not sure about the other.
I thought that the Black album came out in 1991, like mid-August.
Could someone check their copyright, because my disc is not handy
(I'm in a friend's room across campus)?
>Another possible explanation I've heard for Megadeth's change was
>Mustaine's getting off of drugs. Since he was the principal writer
>of most of the material, when he lost the smack, he lost his "muse".
Mustaine was clean for Rust In Peace as well, which I and many others
would classify as their best album to date...actually the pre-RIP
stuff really sucks, with the occasional exception ("Peace Sells," the
song, is pretty good), IMHO.
>Both bands seem to have gone to writing shorter, less complex tunes.
>*That's* what disappoints me the most. The greatest thing is when a
>band can write long(ish) songs that are so tight, they feel shorter,
>like "One" or "Holy Wars..."
I agree, I love those songs...Metallica's new one is due out soon (I
have no clue when), so maybe they'll go back to the old style...you
know, it's been, like, 4+ years since their last LP...
>With DT, it's like PMU, which I still can't believe is over 8
>minutes long. Hopefully, DT will continue to push the envelope.
Yeah, almost all of DT's 8+ minute songs (TTT, PMU, Scarred, TLT,
MetPt1...) seem shorter than what they are. Mainly because the time
just flies by with so much flair...they are such good writers...
>Pat Sullivan
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 17:12:11 -0600
From: imowatt@escape.ca (Ian Mowatt)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Bob and Doug on CD
Message-ID: <199510152312.RAA04237@wpg-01.escape.ca>
Hey jammers,
Sorry about the lack of DT content....
"The Great White North" by Bob and Doug is finally being released on CD in
Canada. From what I've heard, it's not being released in the US yet. It'll
be out in a couple of weeks.
If anyone wants me to pick up a copy, I'm sure we can arrange something.
Please e-mail me privately.
Good day, eh!
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