YTSEJAM Digest 1080
Today's Topics:
1) ****IMPORTANT***** Mike's Fill Transcribed
by Philip Jason <philip12@wharton.upenn.edu>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1078
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
3) Re: Ken Bibb on Sex differences...
by James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
4) Den of Iniquity
by jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
5) Many important things
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
6) stuff
by Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
7) unsubscribing members
by "Andrew S. Moore" <AMOORE@riker.anglia.ac.uk>
8) Acoustic Dreams in Norway
by "YtseKen" <KEN@BENONI.nbr.no>
9) *** IMPORTANT ***
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
10) Mike's two fills in ACOS
by Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
11) Re: ****IMPORTANT****
by "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
12) ******IMPORTANT*****
by eiagm@eznet.net
13) Dream Theater vs. nine inch nails
by John Hackley <jhackley@nctsdg.navy.mil>
14) YTSEJAM digest 1079
by "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
15) Two things...
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1078
by BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
17) ACoS (ATTENTION: NO BLIND MELON CONTENT!!!)
by Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
18) THE JAM
by "Sanjay A. Modi" <ModiS@lafvax.lafayette.edu>
19) Malibu Show
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
20) Tokyo Video
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
21) RE: VAI Sells OUT
by P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
22) DT Modes, Etc....
by Bucketbot@aol.com
23) Re: Attack on Hairball (NDTC)
by 9_KKIERNAN@fair1.fairfield.edu
24) *****IMPORTANT*****
by eiagm@eznet.net
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:42:20 -0400
From: Philip Jason <philip12@wharton.upenn.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com,
Subject: ****IMPORTANT***** Mike's Fill Transcribed
Message-ID: <199510260542.BAA08261@futures.wharton.upenn.edu>
About Mike's drum fill in ACOS at 13:20 seconds. The reason it is repeated
is because it is more or less not a fill. It is a variation in the rythm he
is keeping. To describe it is more difficult, despite the fact that it is
quite an easy fill to play. Let me try anyway:
3 4
1 1111 24 4
The number on the top indicate the beat of the measure. The number below
each represent a different sound. 1 is the bell of a ride cymbal, 2 is a
snare and three are two crash type cymbals. On the count of three Mike
begins the fill with by hitting the bell of the ride once and hitting the
bass drum with it. Now you must count the entire beat of three in sixteenth
note triplets(1-tri-plet-and-trip-let) so there are six spaces for sound.
The first stroke is the 1 and the Mike hits nothing for the next (the tri.
He then hits the ride's bell alone four more time to fill up the four
remaining spaces(let-and-tri-plet). The count of four must also be divided
up into 6 sixteenth note triplet spaces. On the first one(the 1) Mike hits
the snare. On the second Mike hits a crash cymbal(the tri) and he then
rests for a sapce(the let) and hits the crash one more time on the and of
the beat. There is nothing else until the crash on one of the next measure.
So if you put it all together you get something like this:
1- -let-and-tri-plet 1-tri- -and- -- -1
This probably didn't make much sense to most of you, but it is hard to
transcribe a drum part like this. It is much easier if you have note
notation or if you are in person. I hope someone finds this interesting.
Phil
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1078
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951026014150.23272A-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
> Now this might be a stupid question, but why is Mike's e-mail from
> compuserve routed through Columbia University's mail server?
>
> Tending to Doubt this was from Mike,
> Phil
>
>p.s. If there is a reason for it and this was really from Mike, boy will I
>really feel stupid.
Guys, I wrote that e-mail. Mike Portnoy did not write that post. I was
just trying to prove that e-mail can be faked. I could have changed the
mail server that it came from, but I forgot (oops!). Well guys, hope you
guys will learn that you shouldn't be so gullible on the internet. TTYL!
Yours,
Jeff =)
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
"You are sunlight and I, moon Jeff Chew is:
joined by the gods of fortune jc309@columbia.edu
midnight and high noon http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309
sharing the sky
we have been blessed, you and I" <--- Kim from Miss Saigon
<<<==============---------------<<<<<<<>>>>>>>---------------==============>>>
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:49:29 -0400
From: James Peele <jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Re: Ken Bibb on Sex differences...
Message-ID: <Pine.DYN.3.91.951026014303.1875B-100000@unf6.cis.unf.edu>
Ken Bibb's post was quite interesting - I agree...
Something else to remember about gender... It is merely a carrier
variable and does not cause anything... Causality can 'never' be derived
from a carrier variable. In other words, while sex differences clearly
exist, they only correlate with various results. Other carrier variables
include race, socio-economic status, etc...
How's that for no DT content? At least it's more interesting than
anything having to do with Blind Melon, eh?
Jay Peele
For info on INFERNO, E-mail: jpeele@unf6.cis.unf.edu
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 23:13:40 -0700
From: jpgarrett@earthlink.net (James Garrett)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Den of Iniquity
Message-ID: <199510260613.XAA20884@atlas.earthlink.net>
iniquity -- gross injustice: wickedness: sin
inequity -- injustice, unfairness
or so says Webster
>Interesting anecdote. I was talking to my mother, who was born and raised
>in Ireland, and we were talking about Dublin. She said that is was "a den
>of inequity." She knows nothing of ACOS and I asked her where that came
>from. Apparently, the rural people of Ireland dislike the corruption of
>Dublin-- you know, the typical complaints of city violence, prostitution,
>and theft. Since so many of Ireland's phrases come from Biblical
>references (Catholicism being still pervasive there in 99% of the people),
>I was wondering if that is anywhere in the Bible. Anyone? I was thinking
>about Babel, or some other licentious city. Sodom and Gomorrah (spelling?)?
>Although "inequity" seems more to be a function of the haves and have- nots
>than baltant sinfulness. Oh well.... I was driving when my mother said
>that, I just about missed my left hand turn home, a drive I have made a
>thousand times in my life, because of shock in that phrase. So "inequity"
>may not be a word in Webster's, but it sure is a colloquial expressionm, at
>least in Ireland. My mom was surprised I had never heard the phrase "den of
>inequity." :)
>
James Garrett
________________________________
jpgarrett@earthlink.net
This album contains material which
a truly free society would neither fear
nor suppress.
Frank Zappa
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:00:29 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Many important things
Message-ID: <199510260800.BAA06405@bud.indirect.com>
Time for another installment of STUFF MIKE WANTS YOU TO KNOW! :)
Firstly, congratulations are in order to Jonathan Heller, who has
been the only person so far to solve the numerical puzzle in Acoustic
Dreams! The puzzle was:
1
11
21
1211
111221
What next?
The answer:
312211
Now, can anyone other than Jonathan tell the rest of the Jam WHY
the answer is that? No guessing, folks. :) It's _not_ mathematical.
Now on to other issues. Mailing errors! I respond to EVERY piece
of e-mail I get, no matter who sends it, no matter how large or small,
unless it's something trivial like "thanks, talk to ya later" or somesuch
thing. If you're mailing me and not ever getting a response, PLEASE check
your server and/or mailer. I may be replying to everything and it may
never be getting to you intact. Only the net.gremlins know for sure... I
secretly suspect they play all sorts of gamesBIG DOGZ! BIG DOGZ! BIG
DOGZ, LANDING ON MY FACEwith messages in transit that may completely alter
the content.
Mike Portnoy dosen't own a computer, know how to use one, or have
a net account. I suppose there's no harm in fake messages so long as
they're done in good taste, but they really shouldn't be posted. (If it
really was Mike, he'd probably have answered 'yes' when I asked him if he
reads the net posts) So it was a funny joke, cool for now, but I think
it'd be best if we all laid off of it for a while, lest this become like
the Star Trek area (anyone hear what happened when the REAL William
Shatner logged on, only to find no less than a dozen impostors insisting
that he himself was a fake?)
Cheers, Mike! I know someone will print these issues of the Jam
out for you eventually, so I just want to say publicly that it was way
cool of you to give me a call, and I hope to catch up to you soon either
at a drum clinic or a winter concert. DT has real class.
Acoustic Dreams packaging... someone requested an update on
numbers sent, well this is approximate, since I package 60-80 at a
sitting and then filter them out as fast as possible over the postal
system. So I'll just tell you where I am with the packing, and let you
draw your own conclusions. I've packed up all through nnumber 280. I've
only got around 40 packets sitting here unmailed as yet, but I might have
grabbed #210-224 or #266-280 when I did my mailings today.. I'm just not
sure, since I don't write the numbers on the envelopes due to it being a
multi-person effort to package and mail these things. So it's probably
safe to assume all up to 200 have been mailed by now, and should be at
their owners' homes soon.
Finally, I'd like to express a note of thanks. Lately I've had
time to reflect on a few things with some changes in the family and some
employment problems for my friends, and I realized that I might have been
taking all you Jammers for granted. I just want to let you know that is
not going to be the case, and I appreciate Each and Every order, and each
and every note or mail or idea or whatever it may be. I have
sort of a cavalier, uncaring tone at times in my replies (such as "ok,
got it" or "ok, no problem") and I realize people might think I was a
victim of inflated-head syndrome. I have never been too good at being
verbose, so I hope this all comes across with my intended meaning.
As When Dream and Today Unite approaches (Brian, you ever gonna
send the cover? heheh) and Antiquities looms on the horizon, I felt this
was the appropriate time to mention these things. Thanks for your support.
"Likely or not it's a dream that I keep, and at odds with my
senses I'll climb. But if faith is the answer, then I've already reached
it, and if spirit's a sign, then it's only a matter of time."
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 01:07:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Mad dog <jmh@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.951026005252.23752A-100000@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu>
Anyways, as I'm reading the last 'jam, putting off finishing my Physics
Lab on Quattro, listening to/being blown away by the _Misplaced
Childhood_ disc of _The Thieving Magpie_, I come accross a post entitled
"*****IMPORTANT******" by pgor@netcom.com (Paul Goracke).
Oh yeah. My point. That post was on a "YTSE-FILTER"
Hats off to pg. Great post...
A "Mad dog shaven head bottle boy Freak" aka John Haveman
"D'accord je t'adore, au revoir, au revoir!"
---------------------------------------------------------------
and I know you won't fail me, though some times I forget
the sacrifice you made for me, when it could of been my death
_Subsidize_ - Jeff Bruce, The Way Sect Bloom
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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 09:20:01 BST
From: "Andrew S. Moore" <AMOORE@riker.anglia.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: unsubscribing members
Message-ID: <48B1EB7C80@riker.anglia.ac.uk>
Hi Jammers,
I'm pleased to see the jam seems to be getting back to normal at
last, but what saddens me is that there have been a fair number of
postings with the nature of "due to the content of posts recently I
am reluctantly unsubscribing from the jam etc.".
Come on guys, do we relly need to drive members away? We should have
been proud that the list was going so well, I've never seen so many
mis-posted messages saying "please subscribe me" (i.e. people trying
to subscribe and mis-reading the instructions) for a long time.
As for the posts by JP and MP, real or not, I agree 100% with their
comments, and would be surprised if anyone said otherwise.
Remember the adverts in the music press for the Dream Theater
records? They contained one simple statement which we should all
remember:
IT'S ABOUT MUSIC.
Thanks for listening (or reading),
Andy.
Currently playing: Def Leppard - Live At Don Valley (ltd. CD free
with 'Vault')
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Andrew S. Moore
Small Systems Support Assistant
Anglia Polytechnic University,
Cambridge, UK.
ASMoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk
AMoore@riker.anglia.ac.uk
CJV338@unn.ac.uk
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'"Sieze the day", I heard him say,
Life will not always be this way,
Look around, hear the sounds,
Cherish your life while you're still around' -
Dream Theater, A Change Of Seasons,
Part III: Carpe Diem
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:34:03 MET
From: "YtseKen" <KEN@BENONI.nbr.no>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams in Norway
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.951026103403.448@benoni.nbr.no>
It's here, at last!
Mike Bahr, you have released an awesome, AWESOME CD!! If there's
anyone who has not yet ordered this disc, do yourself a favour and
order one NOW!
Yours, lost for words,
YtseKen
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 00:40:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: *** IMPORTANT ***
Message-ID: <199510260740.AAA05532@bud.indirect.com>
If mice could swim, would they float with the tide?
Or play with the fish down by the seaside?
The cats on the shore would quickly agree.
Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 10:42:45 +0100 (BST)
From: Martin Spain <M.G.Spain@herts.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Mike's two fills in ACOS
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.951026102956.9424A-100000@altair.herts.ac.uk>
To whoever it was who wanted to know about the two fills Mike does
between the snare, kick, ride and chinas:
The particuler fill is in 4/4 time, making it thankfully fairly easy to
work out. Of course, I could have misinterpreted which fill that you
were talking about in which case ignore all of this!
Anyway, it starts with the bell of the ride cymbal playing 2 crotchets
and 1 pair of quavers all in the time of a set of 3 crotchet triplets.
The snare is on beat three of the bar, and then the kick and china
follows, with the first on being directly after beat three and the
second being directly on beat four. The first time the whole fill is
played, Mike uses the 22" china and the second time he plays it he uses
the 12" mini china (or is it the other way around?)
Confused yet? I hope not. If I've got this wrong, and anyone wishes to
correct me, please feel free.
Martin Spain
University of Hertfordshire
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:04:00 -500 (EST)
From: "Daniel James Temmesfeld" <S1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: ****IMPORTANT****
Message-ID: <308FA378.B99D.02EA.000@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
>This is it! The Top 5 list to end all Top 5 lists! (hopefully)
>Here goes: Who are your 5 favorite members of Deram Theater?
But people could also vote for Kevin Moore (and even Charlie, god
help them)...
>Mine are: (in alphabetical order)
>1) John Myung
>2) Derek Sherinian
>3) Mike Portnoy
>4) James LaBrie
>5) John Petrucci
alphabetical order...hmmmmm... M-->S-->P-->L-->P
hmmm...maybe it's a new alphabet for the UofV... :)
Even though this is a strange poll, here's my top 5 DT members:
1. JP, 2. KM, 3. MP, 4. JM, 5. KJLaB...
>Christopher R. Merlo
>The University of Vermont
Dan Temmesfeld
s1133627@cedarville.edu
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:51:14 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: ******IMPORTANT*****
Message-ID: <199510261615.MAA19610@mail1.eznet.net>
Hi folks,
I've been wanting to do a survey of list members, so here goes.
No, its not a poll like what we've seen, it has DT content, and it
should yield interesting results.
Here are the questions:
1. What DT album did you buy first, and what prompted you to buy it.
2. What is your favorite DT song.
3. What is your least favorite DT song.
4. Your age
5. Your gender
6. If you play an instrument, what you play.
You can see where this is going. If enough people respond, I can
show results like 35% of women who like DT list TTT as their favorite
DT song, etc etc (this is just an example).
Also, I'm interested in learning where people were first exposed
to DT.
Feel free to send the results straight to my email address:
eiagm@eznet.net
Here are my answers:
1. I heard PMU on the radio, and decided I wanted to buy that album,
I&A.
2. My favorite DT song is "Voices"
3. My least favorite DT song is Another Day
4. I am 25 years old.
5. I am male
6. I play guitar.
Enjoy!
Mike S.
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 13:50:53 +0000 (GMT)
From: John Hackley <jhackley@nctsdg.navy.mil>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Dream Theater vs. nine inch nails
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.951026132826.23901A-100000@diego-emh>
I have been in a debate with my friend Mike for days about why Dream
Theater is ten-fold better than nine inch nails. Somebody help me out.
I have only this to say to nin; learn to play your instruments if you want
to call yourself musicians. Here is his argument:
Why do I prefer nine inch nails over DT? Number one, their honesty.
We live in a society peopled by a Generation X, which lacks a moral
compass, a direction or any real feeling.
Why?
The sixties gave rise to a philosophy of moral relativism, a philosophy
that "whatever feels right, is right." The adults of today were brought
up under that philosophy, and grew up lacking any real sense of values.
They imparted this moral vacuum on Generation X, at the same time
coddling them, refusing to judge or condemn their actions. Thus the
problems of widespread violence and illegitimacy.
Generation X lacks any real feeling. They've seen extremes of sex and
violence in the media culture, but rarely anything like true emotion.
Because of this, they are "Hollow Ones," dead inside emotionally. Numb.
nin addresses this in the song, "Hurt."
"I hurt myself today, to see if I still feel. I focus on the
pain, the only thing that's real."
nin's music is abrasive and shocking, matching these lyrics.
They compare Generation X to sheep and pigs, demonstrating that they
only have base motivations, like the need for food and sex.
And what of Dream Theater? DT portrays REAL emotion. REAL
feeling. Their music is melodious and elicits an emotional reaction.
But it isn't honest. It portrays a world that except for very minor
conflicts (the loss of love, the loss of artistic integrity) is pretty
ideal.
It is not our world.
Most Gen X'ers can't identify with that kind of world. The
melodies leave them cold. Perhaps DT can't bring itself to face reality
or maybe they're trying to transcend it, but their music is in the final
analysis a lie, a cheat.
In ACOS, a lyric states "even though I'm gone, I will live
on." Wrong! Dead is dead. Just ask the lead singer of Blind Melon.
Honor thy father and honor thy mother are outdated notions. The son of
the fictional protagonist of the song will probably not even shed a tear
for his father. Or if he does, there won't be anything but a vacuum of
societal expectation that predicates it.
"Seasons change, and so can I," DT sings.
But you can't change. You can't transcend.
"I am the truth from which you run, and I control you," nin sings.
It means you can try to change, but you're just making a temporary
escape from your own nature. A nature that you hold as a consequence of
the how you were brought up.
"He sewed his eyes shut because he is afraid to see," --- nin.
"We can hope for the future...," --- DT
"Life was filled with wonder....," --- DT
"My whole existence was flawed," --- DT
Do you see the difference? One lives in Utopia, one lives in
the shitty world we've inherited. It's more honest. It's
uncomfortable. A nin song will never make you happy, but a DT song
might. But DT's happiness isn't honest, it's a lie built to escape misery.
All this is not to say life is hopeless or full of despair. It's
just to argue that nin's music is a reflection of reality and DT's music
is an escape from it. Depending on your tastes, both approaches have merit.
One last point. nin's infleuence is powerful. We've seen it in
other groups like Filter, Alice In Chains and even Pearl Jam. The
message is so strong, that even DT is being affected. Read part 5 of
ACOS and you'll see what I mean. Regardless of musical talent, you have
to admit, that of the two groups, nin has the more powerful message.
If anyone would care to engage in a mass debate (no pun intended)
on specific points, please do. My criticisms of DT are purely
scholarly, not personal, so I hope we can have intelligent discourse,
rather than a cussing match. But judging by most of your posts,
("You dude, DT rulzzz!) I'm pretty pessimistic....
Can't wait to hear from you.
Mike Meridith
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Date: 26 Oct 1995 08:53:08 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson, P" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1079
Message-ID: <199510261407.AA05893@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 10/26/95 08:29
Graham typing drunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent visual!!!!!
Steve
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You're fighting the weight of the world and no one can save you
this time/Close your eyes 'cause you'll find all you need in
your mind -- Dream Theater, "Take the Time"
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 95 15:40:07 +0100
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Cc: donews!nga
Subject: Two things...
Message-ID: <9510261440.AA00953@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all,
It seems my contribution to the Jam 1078 didn't upset anybody, so I'll see
what I can do today.
First off, a question. Can anybody tell me anything about the Canadian band
Moist? I know they come from Canada, that they have a self-titled album out
(a really good album too), and that they spent a lot of time on the road. I
would be grateful for any more info, especially plans for a new album, tours
(in Europe) etc.
I actually first heard/saw Moist because of DT: back in February, good old
Headbangers Ball did a DT special, and the video for Moist's single 'Silver'
was played in the show - the next day the CD had taken it's place in my
collection.
Now for something that occurred to me last night while I was vacuuming my
flat. There has been a lot of stuff in the Jam recently along the lines of
"...if musicians are into drugs, I wouldn't like them or their music any more.."
I wonder how many of the people who feel like this have heard the track
'Puppies on Acid' that is available on some DT boots? Don't get me wrong,
I am in no way insinuating/suggesting that any member of DT has ever had
anything to do with illegal drugs - I was just wondering if the people who feel
this way about musicians/drugs skip songs whose titles and lyrics are clearly
about drugs (e.g. Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds by the Beatles, Mother's Little
Helpers by the Rolling Stones, Freakers Ball by Dr. Hook, Cocaine by J.J. Cale,
Good Friends and a Bottle of Pills by Pantera, etc...). This is just a little
thought that managed to push it's head out of the black lagoon of my mind, so
if you want to comment, feel free but don't do this to me:
. ;
. .--. / ;';
. _,|_(| ;''';
. | | (\__ ____ ;''';
. | | \--|_.-'"""xxxx ;''''';
. `-'\ / xxxxxx;;''''';;
. | | xx;;''''''';;
. | |_ ;;;;;;;;;
. `--'
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Die Krupps 'Odyssey of the Mind' (awesome industrial metal
from Germany)
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:26:23 -0500 (EST)
From: BABS@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1078
Message-ID: <01HWW7G807QK000N3Q@sgenva.CC.GENESEO.EDU>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. I have a big favor to ask of all of you so
here goes:
Does anyone have a list address for cars? The reason why I ask is that
someone recently approached me who works for Xerox in Rochester, NY. A
while back (we're talking a few years here) they ran an ad that showed
a Ferrari and a copier. The jist of the ad was to demonstrate which one
came with a better warranty, etc. Anyways, this person needs to locate
a Ferrari to be used for a display at a show. Thus I am trying to locate
a Ferrari that someone would be willing to "loan" for the display. There
is a way to arrange financial compensation for this endeavor. So I would
greatly appreciate any help that you all can give me.
Thanks
-BABS
PS This is not a joke or a ploy to meet men - HONEST!
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Hochberg <hochbj@Sage.EDU>
To: Dream Theater mailing list <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: ACoS (ATTENTION: NO BLIND MELON CONTENT!!!)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.951026104711.13147B-100000@zeus>
Hey everybody,
I'm jumping out of "lurk mode" for the first time in quite a while.
Just wanted to get your opinions about my one and ONLY beef with ACoS (the
song). I love the drum sounds, by the way... man, that snare rules! I'm
surprised so many people don't like it - it actually sounds like a REAL SNARE,
what a concept! You can actually hear all the little subtleties & dynamics,
which is wonderful. I'm glad David Prater learned his lesson after the
production horrors he created (drum-wise) on I&W.
Anyway, what I really wanted to talk about was the little instrumental part
in the middle of The Crimson Sunset, right between the part when James
finishes singing "life goes on the offbeaten track" and the part when the
mood changes and the song builds to its climax. It's this little 4-measure
tangent which I think is SO cool, but they don't develop it at all, they
just go right into the ending part. Know what I'm talking about? I can
think of so many cool ways they might've continued on that theme, if only
for 4 more measures or something... to me, the transition would be much
smoother. Of course, they undoubtedly realize that and did it on purpose.
But if *I* was their producer, I'd have suggested they extend that part a
little more to make it flow better, and simply because I LOVE that riff!
It sounds like an edit to me. :) Yeah, the ACoS radio version... they
chopped out 10 seconds of a 23 minute song. :) Comments?
Aside from that teeny tiny little complaint, I think the song is a
freakin' MASTERPIECE. It just gets better and better with every listen.
One more thought: does anyone care to speculate on whether they'll be
performing ACoS at any of the three shows in December? Man, that would
be cool beyond cool. I'll be at the Birch Hill show... hope we can
organize a little get-together beforehand. That's all for now!
We now return to our regularly scheduled bickering, already in progress.
Jeff hochbj@sage.edu
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:26:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sanjay A. Modi" <ModiS@lafvax.lafayette.edu>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: THE JAM
Message-ID: <01HWW7L0I0YQ000NJH@LAFVAX.LAFAYETTE.EDU>
Hello,
I'm right now stuck in easton, PA and I was wondering where I could
find some of the new dt stuff(not ACoS) but like Acoustic Dreams, etc. and
what else is out there. SEcondly(This has nothing to to with DT,except that
they rock too) is that does anyone have a copy of the TRANSFORMERS
movie??????It's something i'm trying to hunt down. Thanks, Jam-on
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 11:30:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Malibu Show
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.951026112828.252692A-100000@moose.uvm.edu>
Hey! Those of you going to the Malibu show:
For directions to Roy Rogers, check http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dt.html.
I will also be posting directions to the club as well (eventually).
Post-show plans are still hazy. Check the page every day or two for
updates. Don't forget to e-mail me if you're going to Roys!
-DM
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* Christopher R. Merlo |8^)= *
* The University of Vermont, 211 Jeanne Mance Hall *
* Burlington, VT 05405 U.S.A. *
* cmerlo@moose.uvm.edu http://www.uvm.edu/~cmerlo *
* *
* "Bill, strange things are afoot at the Circle K." *
* -Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure *
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 09:39:21 -0600
From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Tokyo Video
Message-ID: <s08f578e.009@IOMEGA.COM>
Hello ytsejammers,
I just ordered a Live in Tokyo video from a store in Colorado Springs
(thanks again Greg). They say it was recorded 1/25/95 so it must be
of the Awake tour. I have two questions: Is this a recording of the
PPV show? If yes, then is this a bootleg? The guy I talked to said
there is no writing on it other than some Japanese letters. This was
the last of two copies of this one. But they said they have some
Italian videos of DT. I don't know what they are. Also, they have a 2
cd set of a live concert done in Italy. I have the LiT video (I&W)
and my favorites off of that are TLF (killer solo) and TTT especially
where at the end John does some of his best work IMO. Every time now
I hear TTT from the CD it irritates me that they didn't let him
finish the song and fade him out right when it gets good. AARRRGH! Of
course, that's production/management decisions. Anyway, if someone
out there could help me out with my questions I'd much appreciate it.
On another note, I think the 'jam will begin to improve as we all
have vented our 'dark sides'.
Later,
Wilmo
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 14:43:56 +0000
From: P.McLoughlin@bra0108.wins.icl.co.uk
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: RE: VAI Sells OUT
Message-ID: <"3792*/I=P/S=McLoughlin/OU=bra0108/O=icl/PRMD=icl/ADMD=gold 400/C=GB/"@MHS>
I read in November's 'GUITAR' - (with Joe Satriani on the cover
- and transcription for his 'Luminous Flesh Giants' inside) -
that STEVE VAI will be supporting BON-JOVI on their US tour !!!
Patricia
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:18:55 -0400
From: Bucketbot@aol.com
To: Ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: DT Modes, Etc....
Message-ID: <951026121853_90198932@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Well,
I bet we can probably find eveidence of every mode through DT's music,
but I don't have the time to learn every song. What I CAN tell you is that
there is a LOT of Aolian, and much Myxolydian. I have noticed some Dorian as
well. For any non Musicians out there, those are modes, named after the
seven Greek tribes (tribes? Maybe islands. I dunno). Remember, though...
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS JUST A REGULAR SCALE! If you are talking about
Minor and Major, you are in other words talking about Ionian (Major) and
Aolian (Minor). John Petrucci uses a great deal of altered scales.... flat
fives (Flatten the fifth degree of the scale) and a lot of arpeggios. Tons
of 'em. One of his great skills is in using chromatics. That is what makes
his scales sound different than ours. They help to blend the scale into and
out of different keys (among MANY MANY OTHER USES!) Glad to be of some help.
Chris Ptacek
Bucketbot@AOL.COM
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:18:03 -0500 (EST)
From: 9_KKIERNAN@fair1.fairfield.edu
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: Re: Attack on Hairball (NDTC)
Message-ID: <01HWW9CQAPAA8ZH4AP@fair1.fairfield.edu>
EXIT
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Date: Thu, 26 Oct 1995 12:15:44 +0000
From: eiagm@eznet.net
To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com
Subject: *****IMPORTANT*****
Message-ID: <199510261640.MAA19965@mail1.eznet.net>
Dear People,
This contains a very important message.
Truly, this message will change your life.
It even has DT content.
I can't stress enough how ****IMPORTANT***** this message is.
I will be sure and send this to the jam several times. I want to
make sure that all 1200+ of you read this over carefully.
You should be sure to save this message to you hard disk, and then
onto a floppy, just in case your hard disk crashes.
The IMPORTANT message is coming up very soon.
Here it is:
DT is a damn good band.
I know, I know. I shouldn't have given such a startling
revelation without enough warning.
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