YTSEJAM Digest 1390
Today's Topics:
1) Drum Clinics
by "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
2) JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
3) What is a musician?
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/01/96 - 05:33:29" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1389
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
6) Gold Disks
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
7) Anthrax
by Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu>
8) Re: Bass styles
by blane@nla.gov.au
9) Chroma Key etc.
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
10) Re: IRC jammers beware!!!
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
11) Re: Anagramz & Jam Master Jay
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1386
by blane@nla.gov.au
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
14) Re: What is a musician? (No DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
15) Carry That Weight
by John Hough <srvrip@qualcomm.com>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1388
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 23:07:37 +4300 (EST)
From: "Andrew Keith Garinger" <garinger@pilot.msu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Drum Clinics
Message-ID: <199604010407.XAA179184@pilot08.cl.msu.edu>
I just heard a rumor that Mike might be holding a clinic in the Detroit
area in the next month or so? This was from someone who doesn't even know who
DT is, so he wouldn't be making it up. Any confirmations?
Later,
Andrew
-- garinger@pilot.msu.edu Zeta Beta Tau-Beta Epsilon Chapter "Ynos" --- Have boots. Will dub. Subcon, AD, WDATU, (coming soon) Ant., SFAM, & PT!------------------------------
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:09:14 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN Message-ID: <19960401070912.AAA23851@mail.pananet.com>
>listen to Metrolopis again but you can play any guitar or bass >part with or without a pick, if you say you can't, thats bull >and your placing limits on the "ability" of that instrument and
Hmmmm.. I'd like to see somebody slap and pop w/ a pick... should be interesting
> >"JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIJIGIDAN WA WA" > --Ernesto Schnack - follewed by giraffe masturbation... .. then some more "JIGIJIGIDAN JIGIJIGIDAN DJUNDJUNDJUNDJUNDJUN... and then MP goes wild...
>Actually, if you're playing a floating-tremolo guitar and you hit a string >really hard, the pitch will go sharp for a second before levelling off.
Jeez you're lucky... mine does one of those butterfly things when I hit it hard... don't you hate it when you bend a note, and the other ones go flat while you're holding it? Gosh I wish I had a bad ear... then I wouldn't notice this stuff...
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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 22:16:35 -0600 (CST) From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What is a musician? Message-ID: <01I304X3XTN600QV8O@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 31-MAR-1996 21:44:59
Benny-Ben Laussade dares to ask "what is music?" but I would like to modify the question and as "what is a musician?" Many of you will probably not like what I have to say.
Requirements for a real musician, by Deborah J. Seeger
1. HAVE THE DRIVE. First and foremost, a musician must have to desire to make noise out of an instrument, or many instruments. Then he/she must learn the technique for the desired instrument(s.)
2. LEARN THE LANGUAGE. This includes knowing what all the dots, lines, and other symbols, as well as the jargon, stand for. I know I'll start to piss a whole lot of you off right now. So what. Learn to read them and write them on paper (the Encore notation program will do as well!)
3. KNOW WHAT THE COMBINATIONS OF THE AFOREMENTIONED DOTS, LINES, AND SYMBOLS MEAN IN CONTEXT. Some say that theory doesn't make music fun anymore. I beg to differ. A muscican should know what certain sounds are and why they are used. Analyzing music gives a musician more thorough understanding of the notes on a page. One should understand in order to create.
4. HAVE THE EAR. Having a "good ear" means different things to each person. Obviously if you're tone deaf, music isn't the hobby or career for you. Know how to interpret notes on a page and don't be afraid to deviate from them.
5. BE FAMILIAR WITH MANY GENRES OF MUSIC. An open mind is essential for a musician. One limits him/herself by only listening to or playing one style of music. Take aspects of a number of styles when creating your own.
6. TAKE INITIATIVE TO CREATE. Being a musician means much more than performing. Applying your abilities to compositions can only sharpen your skills.
7. LEARN MANY INSTRUMENTS (IF POSSIBLE.) Having working knowledge of several instruments is an asset to composition as well as adds variety to your musical life.
8. KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE! Learn about music. Learn about composers/songwriters, history (anyone calling themselves a musician should be able to name the major eras of Western Art Music,) copyright and licensing information, etc.
If you make noise from an instrument but can't apply most or all of these points to yourself, you are not a musician but merely play a musical instrument.
I know I view music from a scholarly standpoint (I have a $16,000 tuition bill accumulated over the past four years that says I can.) Call me a college snob if you must, but if I hadn't come to school for music I wouldn't be a true musician. Some of you may be able to relate to that. If you can't and you don't like my standards for musicians, so be it. You have your opnion, I have mine. Now will this spark some more stimulating conversation than goddamn drum talk?
________________________________________________________________________________ Debbie Seeger University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu Music Major (Recording Technology Emphasis) ________________________________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 03:02:47 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1389 Message-ID: <19960401080245.AAA24483@mail.pananet.com>
> >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 19:43:03 -0800 (PST) >From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> >To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> >Subject: Misteak!
>------------------------------ > >Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:08:44 -0400 >From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) >To: ytsejam@ax.com >Subject: WARNING!!:NO DTC!!! >Message-ID: <19960401070843.AAA23846@mail.pananet.com> >
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Heh... I beat him to it :)
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================|
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gold Disks Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960401000503.15111A-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Kevin asked about the sound on the gold disks by Mobile Fidelity/ Ultradisk. They are remastered versions of those albums, and it tends to help the sound on some of the disks originally recorded on analog equipment. I have Moving Pictures and 2112 by Rush on Ultradisk, Moving Pictures is a bit crisper, 2112 the same, but generally there isn't a noticable difference since Terry Brown did a great job with the original records. The gold disks of Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd were noticably better than the original Capitol Records release, so it really varies like any other recording.
Later,
Mike
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:15:55 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Backof <mbacko1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Anthrax Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960401001158.15111B-100000@umbc8.umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Anthrax was always a band to know humor, some of the funniest metal songs ever written...
I'm the Man (The Milk Song) Bubby Lufbomb (sp?) (The Lounge Lizard Act)
Later,
Mike
PS. If anyone knows the old computer game "Wasteland" for PC/DOS machines e-mail me, I'm playing it again and I'm stuck. I beat it 6 years ago, but have forgotten how to get by a couple of places. (Bafu Vai will probably know what I'm talking about <grin>)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 15:15:47 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Bass styles Message-ID: <199604010522.PAA19039@email.nla.gov.au>
> >-Playing fingerstyle in this matter allows one > >-to play faster than with two fingers or with a pick Only when raking
> > > >No it doesn't. Thats an assumption. More fingers will not > >give you better speed or allow you to be fast than a pick > >player. I know you bring up David later on so I'll bring > >him up now. If your saying, someone with 3 fingers can play > >FASTER than a person like David Ellefson who uses a pick, > >your insane...1)If you've ever listened to Rust In Peace, > >you'll KNOW that Ellefson plays faster than any DT song > >they have ever written and probably even harder to play. I > >mean, listen to David's past work with deth, ESPECIALLY on > >Killing is my business (as much as I hate that cd) a 3 > >fingered player would have to bust his/her ass to play that > >speed. I don't want to be slamming bass players but there > >are those that are better than others and alot of them to > >me could run circles around JM. I'll name example if need > >be.
> While it's true that Ellefson does play faster notes than Myung, Myung > changes notes more often, so Ellefson moves his right hand faster while > Myung cruises with his left. This pretty much epitomizes the two styles. > This is also why I play with my fingers (mostly 2, triplets 3)
Agreed. Also Myung's chord work, harmonics and raking stuff are be heaps harder with a pick.
Brett
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:30:50 -0500 From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Chroma Key etc. Message-ID: <v01520d00ad8517df3ae3@[157.252.65.110]>
Hey guys!
I just finished wading through the 50 jams in my in-box that accumulated over spring break. Well, I got my copy of Kevin Moore's Chroma Key demo, and I thought I'd post a short review. The first song, "On the Page," starts with a really cool piano intro, then slows way down and goes into the verses. Kev's voice sounds good on this number. The samples in this song sound like a continuation of the themes from SDV regarding his ex-girlfriend. Kind of depressing, but great lyrical content and good song overall. The second song is a much more synth-oriented song called "Watercolors." I personally don't like this song, and I think it sort of drags. The third song, "Chroma Key" shows off another really cool piano intro and interesting rythmic effects betwwen Mark Zonder and Kev. I like this song a lot, but I think it screams for an up-tempo piano solo. That would have really made the song for me. Well, that's it for now. I would say that if you're a Kevin Moore fan, Chroma Key is definately worth the money. Zonder does a really good job at complementing the music. Later all!
-Mike Bradley
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 1:08:00 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: IRC jammers beware!!! Message-ID: <9604010608.AA03866@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
He wants a picture of me. well, let me get my crayons out and see what I can conjure up, eh?
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 1:12:57 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Anagramz & Jam Master Jay Message-ID: <9604010612.AA03982@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Bafu, you sick fucking weirdo.
i was not referring to the song on Rasing hell, I was referring to the King of Rock.
I'm the king of rock, there is none hight, ...
So, bite me.
:)
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 16:18:23 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1386 Message-ID: <199604010624.QAA40554@email.nla.gov.au>
Subject: fingerstyle bass and megadeth >I wasn't goin after John M's speed in DT at all, this little >piece came about due to the 3 fingers comments etc...I need to >listen to Metrolopis again but you can play any guitar or bass >part with or without a pick, if you say you can't, thats bull >and your placing limits on the "ability" of that instrument and >the player as well by saying that statement. Hell, with a little >bit of practice, I could play that part with a pick and behind >my back. Yep sure dude, I'd like to see you play they equivalent of a four finger tapping, cyclic technique across four to five strings with a pick, at a fast speed. I'd like to see some Marcus Miller slap riffs played with a pick, right and left hand muting. Not hackin dude but there are limitations to every technique, dats why deres more dan one *grin*. And no one technique does it all, some encompass a wider range of sounds and styles than others, but no one is best.
Brett - prefers the 4 toe style.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 1:27:48 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1383 Message-ID: <9604010627.AA04437@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
The one's who help to set the sun about the death of Spock? I fail to see the connection.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 02:45:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: What is a musician? (No DTC) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604010228.A2277-0100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>
On Sun, 31 Mar 1996 SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU wrote:
> Benny-Ben Laussade dares to ask "what is music?" but I would like to modify > the question and as "what is a musician?" Many of you will probably not > like what I have to say. > > Requirements for a real musician, by Deborah J. Seeger > > 1. HAVE THE DRIVE. First and foremost, a musician must have to desire to > make noise out of an instrument, or many instruments. Then he/she must > learn the technique for the desired instrument(s.)
You can have all the talent in the world, but if you don't have the passion, you aren't working to your true potential.
> 2. LEARN THE LANGUAGE. This includes knowing what all the dots, lines, > and other symbols, as well as the jargon, stand for. I know I'll start to > piss a whole lot of you off right now. So what. Learn to read them and > write them on paper (the Encore notation program will do as well!)
Yes! I'll second the motion...Call to question...all those in favor raise their right hand...all opposed...the motion passes! I'm a guitar and bass player, and it perplexes me how many players today rely on tablature. Sometimes, when I jam with other people, I'll say, "Let's play a II-V-I progression", and they'll go, "huh?" "What are the numbers for that, man?" I think tab is good for starting players, but so few guitarists can actually _read_ music. IMHO, tab is a cop-out. I'm not saying that to put rancor in the hearts of those who use it, I just think it's more satisfying to be able to read music and play it. Besides, I started on saxophone, and there's no tab for it, just music.
> 3. KNOW WHAT THE COMBINATIONS OF THE AFOREMENTIONED DOTS, LINES, AND > SYMBOLS MEAN IN CONTEXT. Some say that theory doesn't make music fun > anymore. I beg to differ. A muscican should know what certain sounds are > and why they are used. Analyzing music gives a musician more thorough > understanding of the notes on a page. One should understand in order to > create.
i.e. dynamics, tempo changes, watching the conductor, etc. > 4. HAVE THE EAR. Having a "good ear" means different things to each > person. Obviously if you're tone deaf, music isn't the hobby or career for > you. Know how to interpret notes on a page and don't be afraid to deviate > from them.
Another reason I don't like tab. Transcribing pieces by yourself helps you develop your ear. I remember when I first picked up a guitar, I couldn't figure out anything. When I did start figuring riffs out, they would all be on the same string. Then I learned the beauty of different positions. I don't have perfect pitch, but I have a decent ear. A good ear can make the difference between a good musician and a great one. > 5. BE FAMILIAR WITH MANY GENRES OF MUSIC. An open mind is essential > for a musician. One limits him/herself by only listening to or playing one > style of music. Take aspects of a number of styles when creating your own.
Yep. I'm surprised to hear how many 'Jammers dislike a band. Granted, I'm one of them, but that doesn't mean I can't appreciate it. Country music? To me, it means long guitar solos. Rap? It means interesting rhythms. Alternative? Energy, and how to harness it. Prog music is great, but it's not the only great music out there. Also, instrumentalists should listen to other instruments. Listen to a saxophonist if you're a guitar player, and try to incorporate some of their techniques in your playing. John Coltrane and Charlie Parker are good places to start. > 6. TAKE INITIATIVE TO CREATE. Being a musician means much more than > performing. Applying your abilities to compositions can only sharpen your > skills.
And being able to compose well can pay off in many ways. Not only can you take pride in your work, but others can too.
> 7. LEARN MANY INSTRUMENTS (IF POSSIBLE.) Having working knowledge of > several instruments is an asset to composition as well as adds variety to > your musical life.
That way you can do your own demos. Or, you could tell other musicians in your band to "play it this way, instead".
> 8. KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE, KNOWLEDGE! Learn about music. Learn about > composers/songwriters, history (anyone calling themselves a musician should > be able to name the major eras of Western Art Music,) copyright and > licensing information, etc.
Knowledge is power.
> If you make noise from an instrument but can't apply most or all of these > points to yourself, you are not a musician but merely play a musical > instrument. > > I know I view music from a scholarly standpoint (I have a $16,000 tuition > bill accumulated over the past four years that says I can.) Call me a > college snob if you must, but if I hadn't come to school for music I > wouldn't be a true musician. Some of you may be able to relate to that. > If you can't and you don't like my standards for musicians, so be it. You > have your opnion, I have mine. Now will this spark some more stimulating > conversation than goddamn drum talk?
I started out as a music major in college. I had accolades from my high school, and even received a partial scholarship. But, I soon realized that I didn't have what it takes to be a music education major, and ultimately, a music student at the college level. This was a brutal reality check for me. I'm a political science major now, and couldn't be happier. I have the utmost respect for music majors. I even attend recitals once in a while. Take heed of Debbie's words of wisdom. They can only help you.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:03:50 -0800 From: John Hough <srvrip@qualcomm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Carry That Weight Message-ID: <199604010803.AAA23078@tyler.qualcomm.com>
Just sitting here listening to the radio and the Beatles come on with "Carry that weight" and I immediately thought of DT and my fellow jammers who are proud owners of Subcon.
Rock on!
John Hough - srvrip@qualcomm.com
..When I woke up Mom & Dad were rolling on the couch, rolling numbers rock and rolling got my KISS records out.....
Cheap Trick
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 00:09:23 -0800 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1388 Message-ID: <199604010809.AAA21375@cats.ucsc.edu>
>> >> Um..pardon my ignorance..what is XWindows? >> i have win95 <grin> can i get that majesty symbol pointer thingie? > >XWindows is Unix's version of DOS's Windows 3.1. It is totally different from Win 3.1 (i.e. it's not a copy, that's just an >analogy.) So no, you probably can't use thet majesty symbol pointer thingie. I don't know much about XWindows, but I'm >assuming the cursor is used for the Unix windows, right? There's no way that I know of to change cursors in DOS, and if there >was, I doubt you could use a UNIX cursor.
Yeah, kinda. Let's not forget that XWindows is the original GUI. As such, it's a lot less "friendly" to the new user than modern day stuff, but it's still the #1. Parc Xerox rules! ;)
>ps- I still think it's silly to call someone self-indulgent because of >the way that person's snare drum sounds. So is Cindy Crawford >self-indulgent because of that mole? Ok, I'll stop..... :)
No, just ugly.
> Hmmm... Moo Cow inside joke from LiT > ytsejam thread with Anthrax > Mad Cow disease in Europe
"Fetchez la vache!"
>Anyone else, a member of this.... What is it? How often do you hear from >it? - Thanks
We've received TWO whole digests! woo hoo! :)
>> >>un problemo - donde esta mi vacas? dicen que MOO!
"Quoi?"
"Fechez la vache!"
Meanwhile...
"perhaps if we built a large wooden badger..."
"Moooooooooooooo!"
"Run away! run away!"
>Mistaken DT lyrics: > >------------------------------ Yeah, I had a problem with that line in The Ytse Jam, too. I always thought James was saying " "
Bafu!
>> I think of acoustics and electrics like a glass of iced tea and a glass >> of Pepsi. They both do the same thing (quench your thirst) and involve >> the same physical process (swallowing, digesting) even though they taste >> different. >> >> TTFN- Sean
>According to the circle of fifths, Pepsi doesn't exist. Pepsi is not a >progressive band. Please stop writing about them. Thank you.
>Bafu Vai
And you're saying that ICE-T is??????
>And then he says:
>According to the circle of firfths, Pepsi doesn't exist. Pepsi is ot a >progressive band. Please stop writing about them. Thank you.
Firth of Fifth? Ding! Ding! Oops, (Snarfeenja Di) Gottago, my Supper's Ready
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