YTSEJAM Digest 1396
Today's Topics:
1) The natives are restless
by SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 04:19:39" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1395
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
4) Re: What is a musician?
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
5) Being a Musician
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1393
by Dennis <dcrall@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
7) Brian DreamNDay
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
8) Re: steve digiorgio
by Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
9) Metropolis
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
10) Producers, I&W, and Firehouse...
by mojoman@pointblank.com
11) Re: What is a musician?
by Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
12) Howard Stern
by Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
13) ANGRA & Jennifer Batten
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) Chopin
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) chompers
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) All about Bafu and the almighty bass solo from hell
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
17) Congratulations all!!!!
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
18) Re:get rich quick
by Mason Pokladnik <fmp8157@tam2000.tamu.edu>
19) Re: Galactic Cowboys So Cal Show
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 21:07:17 -0600 (CST)
From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The natives are restless
Message-ID: <01I31HD27OTU00QT6I@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU>
Date sent: 1-APR-1996 20:52:16
Well, I see I got some of you to use your brains for a change. Some didn't
like doing that, I see.
First I'd like to address the music reading thing - no, you're not a
musician if you can't read music or don't know any theory. Then you are
one who plays a musical instrument. If you're content with that, so be it.
Marc - I would like to know why you feel learning more than one instrument
takes away from your skill at your usual weapon of choice. I personally
would rather have working knowledge of several instruments than be a
virtuoso on only one. Don't you think learning several instruments would
enhance one's musicianship and compositional skills?
Bafu, Bafu, Bafu, where do I start? I can't believe you had so much to
say. I personally believe that we'd still be in the times of Gregorian
chant (ugh) and simple polyphonic music if it wasn't for those of us who
actually read. Obviously you don't have a problem with church and state
being one. The church controlling music almost destroyed Western Art
Music as we know it. And what's wrong with knowing music history, even to
the beginnings of jazz? Can knowledge of music really do harm? Of course
not, but obviously you don't want to be a very well-rounded person.
And don't get the impression that I'm a rich bitch just because I'm a
college student. Dignified White Trash, I like to call myself. You people
don't know how I grew up. You don't know my bank account balance. Did you
ever hear of student loans, grants, and work study? They help the lower
middle class like me get a fucking education. Comprenden?
That is all.
________________________________________________________________________________
Debbie Seeger
University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh
seeged73@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu
Music Major (Recording Technology Emphasis)
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Date: Mon, 01 Apr 1996 22:18:21 EST
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:28:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1395
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960401212122.28813A-100000@shamu>
I live about 30 min's from the nearest farm here in Iowa, I think I'll
take a boom box along with a mix tape of some DT, and play it for the
local bovine, to see what the reaction will be.
Wagers anyone?
Will I:
a) get no response at all?
b) witness a miracle at the heard headbang to the rippin classical solo
in Erotomania?
c) Have the Head-Cow explain what music is?
d) Have the Head-Cow show me how to spell my name using the circle of fiths?
e) Nothing until I get home and see that I have a Digital Post Card from
above said, Head-Cow?
or g) Get flammed for forgetting the letter "f"?
Phuquin A I'm bored :)
Sinista
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 96 19:28:28 PST
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: What is a musician?
Message-ID: <9604020328.AA08780@tengs1>
> From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
>
> > 2. LEARN THE LANGUAGE. This includes knowing what all the dots, lines,
> > and other symbols, as well as the jargon, stand for. I know I'll start to
> > piss a whole lot of you off right now. So what. Learn to read them and
> > write them on paper (the Encore notation program will do as well!)
>
> Yes! I'll second the motion...Call to question...all those in favor
> raise their right hand...all opposed...the motion passes! I'm a guitar
> and bass player, and it perplexes me how many players today rely on
> tablature. Sometimes, when I jam with other people, I'll say, "Let's play
> a II-V-I progression", and they'll go, "huh?" "What are the numbers for
> that, man?" I think tab is good for starting players, but so few
> guitarists can actually _read_ music.
Interestingly, I can still read music, though I don't play any
instruments these days (used to play baritone, and then slide
trombone). Sometimes, I'll watch my friend's [7 yrs. old] daughter
play the piano and, following along reading the music, I'll tell her
she's playing it wrong. Then she gets pissed off at me, and I'll
hum what it should be. Of course, being 7, she still doesn't believe
me !>)>
Zach
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 19:54:01 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Being a Musician
Message-ID: <199604020354.TAA14250@cats.ucsc.edu>
I agree with some points:
HAVE THE DRIVE: Yep, yer not a musician unless you have a cool car.
LEARN THE LANGUAGE: "I iz a myoozeeshun!" -- yer never gonna get any cute
girls (or guys, depending on your gender/preference) if you speak like this. :)
But seriously ...
I agree with Deb. I think that the non-scholars on this list, not being
scholars, have grossly misinterpreted her post. I have to go, so I can't
elaborate right now (There's not enough room in this margin for a fill
proof) but one point I want to address. Bafu said that when he creates he
hopes to "forget" any learning and just be. I say no. The ideal is to have
the technique down so well that you don't need to think about it. You
_transcend_ (not forget) about technique when you are a good player. And a
last word. No one who has _ever_ studued music has _ever_ said that it hurt
their ability to be a musician. At least, as far as I know.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 21:56:45 -0600 (CST)
From: Dennis <dcrall@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1393
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960401215443.32220C-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
I'm sorry if this goes out on the list, but if anyone can tell me how to
unsubscribe from this list i'd be eternally greatful. I've never heard
Dream Theater, but I agree that Oasis is worse than death.
thanks
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:24:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Brian DreamNDay
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604012317.A11008-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
12 posts in a jam is entirely fucking ridiculous!! I know you're proud
that you post all the time, but when your posts are only put up seconds
apart from eachother, it is a little extreme! I am interested to know
how old you are, because it seems that the "contest" you seem to be
having with yourself to see how many times you can post is extremely
immature. If you think your posts are interesting enough to have 12 in
one jam, you are fooling yourself, because you like your posts a lot
better than I do. You are making yourself look foolish, so have a little
self respect. Be seeing you.....
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*{*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*}*
"For once, I'll fight for what I believe in."
"You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?"
"Yes, for the first time in my life!"
*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*<*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*>*
rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 10:23:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Brizzell <brizzb@Sage.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: steve digiorgio
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960401102101.25355A-100000@zeus>
On Sat, 30 Mar 1996, Matt Rosin wrote:
> someone mentioned steve digiorgio's work on bass with death. he was with
> death for the "human" and "individual thought patterns" albums.
> impressive stuff. his main band (which, from what i hear, he has since
> left), sadus, is definitely a band to check out if you want to hear some
> impressive bass work, especially the "a vision of misery" album. one of
> the few death metal bassists to use a fretless, and this man can pull
> sounds and textures out of a bass i never knew were possible (granted,
> i'm a synth player, but great, skilled musicians are great, skilled
> musicians nonetheless).
Dude, you should check out Steve DiGiorgio's jazz band, Dark Hall. It
has the ex-guitarist from Autopsy, a flutist, and some other cool
instrument, I can't remember. Write to Steve and ask him about it. He's
a real nice guy!
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 20:31:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Metropolis
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960401202413.136768C-100000@homer27.u.washington.edu>
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
> Subject: Tab for Metropolis tapping part
>
> Bryce, you were close, but not quite. Here's the tab from that bass
> tapping part as Myung plays it. They are all 16th notes except the two
> that I jam together like this "99" those are 32nd notes.
>
> ------11----------------11----------
> --4--------4--99----4--------4-99---
> ----9----9------9-----9----9------9-
> 2-----------------2-----------------
That 9-11-9 right-handed part really looks like what Myung does whenever
I've seen him do this, so I'd have to vote for this tab for whomever's is
more correct. I'm just going by what I hear, and I don't hear that 11 in
there. I only hear two octaves. But watching my hands instantly reminded
me of the live Myung every time he rips this part, whereas the tab I wrote
out didn't involve the right hand going as high up the neck as Myung
always does. My tab also didn't have that flutter-tap shown here that I
always see Myung's right hand oddly jumping around on.
> If they ever release the Myung instructional video here in the
> States, then we'll all have the tab _and_ the video demonstration of
> how.
So then this tab is from Myung himself? Can't argue with that...
Bafu Vai
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:40:56 -0500
From: mojoman@pointblank.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Producers, I&W, and Firehouse...
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.1.-9.40.56.2377490627.1267261@pointblank.com>
#1) A Record Producer has NOTHING to do with the photo style of
a band or an artist's released work. A Producer's job is to
guide the band musically, create a strong finished recorded
with the tape the engineer has recorded. Don't start blaming
Blaming David Prater for the hair on I&W.
#2) What still kicks me in the ass is the FACT that almost all of
you on this list became Dream Theater fans AFTER I&W was
released (Including myself). (**I dont wanna hear the 5% that
were fans during WDADU, you are a minority...including you
Gandalf**) I'm not asking you to not hate David Prater or
like him. The fact remains that David Prater is an industry
that has a great deal of good and bad recordings under his
belt. Just simply respect the work he's trying to get
across...Remember, almost all of you enjoy I&W, so Prater did
something right...
#3) How can you judge a producer based on the reputations of his
clients. The lawyer that defends a murderer may not be a bad
lawyer, in fact he may be an excellent one. Just because his
client is undesireable, that doesn't invalidate his work.
Unfortunately, time and time again it seems like way to many
people are jumping before thinking on the Jam. Don't bash someone
without thinking out the reason why....not because it's hip to say
"David Prater sucks because he did Firehouse!"
MojoMan has spoken.
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:43:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: What is a musician?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960401232035.18951B-100000@solix>
Ooh. I just *have to* add my $0.02 to this one...
Well, most of that $0.02 was already posted here several jams ago (earlier
today) by a certain Ms. Debbie Seeger (herein referred to as DJS). But
I've got a little more to say, so :P.
I agree with her inasmuch as one should strive to learn everything you
can about that which you love, whatever it is. It's ironic how DJS
has become flame bait for some people, while someone who gets up
on a soapbox and says that an engineer should learn whatever he/she can
about engineering isn't going to be shot down at all.
I *think* part of what DJS was saying was that if you choose to pursue
music as a career, it is no different than any other professional pursuit.
You need to know your shit, regardless of what field you go into.
Yeah yeah.. I know. "But doesn't that stifle your creativity?" Of
course not! Any of you aspiring authors out there... wouldn't you agree
that your writing got better as your vocabulary grew?
One last thing. When I was a little kid, when multi-syllabic words were
still a problem, I used to get the words "musician" and "magician" mixed up.
Now I'm thinking, "gee, maybe I wasn't confused."
--=The Cliff's Notes Version of my .signature file=--
Elliott Kim [Insert ASCII doodle here] Florida International University
ekim01@fiu.edu E-Man@dreamt.org
[Insert profound quote here]
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:25:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Rios <krios@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Howard Stern
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960402002201.7876B-100000@scls1>
Somebody wrote about Howard using The Mirror on his show and thought it
would be a good idea to ask him for help. Well, a friend of mine heard
him go thru the entire Awake album and rip it apart! I don't think you'll
get much help from him.
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:15 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: ANGRA & Jennifer Batten
Message-ID: <19960402053614.AAA17376@mail.pananet.com>
>And to last with a non DT content, try "Holy land", the new album of ANGRA.
>Iy is really fantastic!!!
>
Does that have a song called 'Carry On' on it? I saw the video on MTV and it
kicked major fanny..
> I just wanted to tell everyone to check out Jennifer Batten if you
>haven't. I went to a clinic she did here in Mexico and let me tell you , she
She came to Panama a few weeks ago... did you buy the CD? Her version of
'The Flight of the Bumblebee' is astonishing!..
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:24 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chopin
Message-ID: <19960402053623.AAA17381@mail.pananet.com>
>Was it the Revolutionary Etude? If it was, then I'm astounded by Petrucci's
>speed, accuracy, and general excellency. (I play piano too, so pretty much
>ANY Chopin he plays on guitar is mind boggling.)
>
I think it's one w/ 'Chromatic' in the title, or was it that it's very
chromatic? all i know for sure is that he's teaching it in his Guitar World
Column...
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:31 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: chompers
Message-ID: <19960402053630.AAA17387@mail.pananet.com>
>Damn brilliant post. I myself prefer the "chomper" technique. The first
>part involves moving the pick to your mouth, biting down with your teeth
>(if you don't have teeth already, they're kind of expensive so you might
>want to stop reading now), and holding the pick there while you slap and
>tap. The second part involves moving your hand up to your mouth, grabbing
>the pick, releasing with the teeth, and contining to speed-pick whatever
>you were previously doing. This also works with guitar, which is where I
>originally started doing it. (BTW, it works in live situations, too!)
>
There is only one reason why I don't like using this incredibly complex
technique... actually there's two: 1) the pick get's all mucky w/ saliva and
ends up slipping from my hand. 2) I always end up taking the pick at a
weird angle, and goof a round awhile until I finally accomodate right
between my fingers...
>>Hey I just saw Elizabeth Berkely on 'Step by Step'... was she the chic that
>>used to be in 'Saved By the Bell' wow how ironic... from high-school brat
>>to lap-dancer...
>
>Maybe in PANAMA, but we call it Showgirls in ARKVILLE!
I'm talking way b4 Showgirls... You remember don't you, Saved by the Bell?
that really stupid TV programs which, as most of its type, make a totally
inaccurate representation of high school... she was the one w/ the long red
curly hair...
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:36:45 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: All about Bafu and the almighty bass solo from hell
Message-ID: <19960402053643.AAA17391@mail.pananet.com>
>I'm not saying theory has no place or "makes music un-fun," of course it's
>good to know to get a running start on how to "play music." But if I were
>to write music, or solo during a live performance, the LAST thing I'd do
>is check myself to see how much of Obi Wan's training I remember. Creation
>isn't about keeping one eye on your fretboard and the other on a
>textboook. Hell, turn off your mind altogether if the only way you can
>create is by referring to a manual.
Bafu, Bafu, Bafu... you got it all wrong... when people learn theory and say
things like, I'm gonna play a flat 9th over the phrygian-diminished scale of
D, they're not thinking in terms of rules and books... it's just that
they're familiar w/ the sounds in they're heads... they know how all those
weird chords sound and what effect they'll have on the music... so basically
the 'follow you're ear' principle is still there, just that they have a
wider knowledge, and know all the names....
About the Metropolis Part1 bass part... of all the descriptions of it I've
seen, none has been similiar to how my bass player does it... he does a
weird cross tapping thing(i.e. his right hand is tapping in the lower frets
and the left on the higher ones)... anybody think this could be write? I can
ask him to transcribe it for me to see what you bass players think...
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 00:51:21 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Congratulations all!!!!
Message-ID: <096.04977576.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
This has to be new record, 8 jams in a 24 hour period. Jeez,
don't you guys and girls work or go to school or do anything except
look at you computers all day?
Kenny Myung is supposed to let me know whom the producer will be
on the next album by Friday. I'll post as soon as I hear it from him.
( DTC )Peter Collins is doing the Rush album period !!! That is why
it's not out yet. They had to wait for him.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 00:08:07 -0600 (CST)
From: Mason Pokladnik <fmp8157@tam2000.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:get rich quick
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960401235946.12489G-100000@tam2000.tamu.edu>
OK I propose that we firebomb the email address of the next person who
sends a "get rich quick scheme to the list. It's very simple if enough
of us send enough mail the server he/she is on will close the account or
just won't accept anymore messages until all the flames are cleared out.
then you do it all over again just to harass them.
Cattle Mutilation -don't make a movie without it!
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-Mason Pokladnik -
-fmp8157@tam2000.tamu.edu -
-http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~fmp8157-
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Date: 02 Apr 96 01:01:45 EST
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Galactic Cowboys So Cal Show
Message-ID: <960402060144_103362.445_JHL55-1@CompuServe.COM>
Any Jammers going to the show this friday night at the Troubador? They should
blow that tiny little club apart.
I'll be wearing my Ytsejammer shirt if it gets here in time (Trey, has it been
sent?). If not, look for a group of six people suckin' down the Heinekens!
What a way to spend good friday.
DFern
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