YTSEJAM Digest 1398
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 13:17:11" <response@ibmmail.com>
2) Producer possibilities.....
by Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
3) Debbie Seeger
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
4) Apology to Brian
by "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
5) Info required
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
6) Re: producer?
by swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
7) Re: Peter Collins producing?
by swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
8) uitar
by kurt@fgallery.com
9) Re: Charles Harrison
by Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com>
10) Re: A few more Ytseshirts!!!
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
11) to: Cesare Tirabassi
by Steve Lehrfeld <STEVE@kandu.com>
12) new tellus album "stand by"
by Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com>
13) Re: Musicians
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
14) Metropolis (Ct'd)...
by Bryce Bukowsky <c664000@showme.missouri.edu>
15) Demo sound
by Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
16) An Incredibly Paradoxical Letter to Debbie
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
17) Re: A few more Ytseshirts!!!
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
18) Re: Portnoy's Beard
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
19) I love this thread
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 07:15:54 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 13:17:11" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199604021216.EAA07875@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 12:15:49 GMT on 02 Apr 1996 has been delivered.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 07:24:16 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Wherry <bwherry@acs.bu.edu>
To: DT List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Producer possibilities.....
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604020737.B120845-0100000@acs5.bu.edu>
My vote for who should produce the next DT album:
Vinnie Paul!!
Yes! Talk about a drum sound from hell!
\o/ --==Brian Wherry==-- o
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/ \ "Do. Or do not. There is no try." -Yoda / \
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:48:43 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Debbie Seeger
Message-ID: <9604021248.AA29677@lively.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Debbie Seeger:
PMT?
Graham B.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:55:23 -0500 (EST)
From: "Ryan Eschauzier '97" <rdesc@conncoll.edu>
To: RESPONSE at IBMAIL <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apology to Brian
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604020846.B2403-0100000@dsys.cc.conncoll.edu>
I must apologise to Brian (DreamNDay) for totally losing it about his
number of posts recently. Although I do think it is excessive, and I am
not taking back everything I said, I should have been more
understanding. The jam has become more and more cluttered, and I felt
that such a great number of posts with such short content were basically
taking up space by having a sig. on the end of all of them, when I think
the posts could have easily been combined since they were only sent
seconds apart from each other. So, Brian, I am sorry, I should have had
more tact.
2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 * 2112 *
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"For once, I'll fight for what I believe in."
"You'll stand alone against everybody for the first time in your life?"
"Yes, for the first time in my life!"
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rdesc@conncoll.edu Ryan Eschauzier '97 (860) 439-4085
Connecticut College
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 96 16:15:37 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Info required
Message-ID: <9604021415.AA00319@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
Can any of you Jammers out there give me some information about the following
bands:
Symphony X
Vauxdvihl
I've read some stuff that says the usual 'progressive/Quennsryche/Dream Theater/
etc', but can any of you really recommend them? I would also be grateful for
information about the album 'In Abstentia Christi' by Monumentum: how about it,
you Italian Jammers and doom fans?
All this talk recently about fast finger techniques for bass/guitar has raised
a question in my dark and perverted mind: does this mean that you guys and gals
can choke the chicken/pet the poodle faster than the rest of us? Just wondering.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: The 3rd And The Mortal - Painting on Glass
(do yourselves a favour and get this album)
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:40:03 EST
From: swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: producer?
Message-ID: <199604021540.KAA64343@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
>
>The only work of Peter Collins I remember right now are the Queensryche-
>albums he produced, and I can't think of a Empire-style production for a
>Dream Theater album. It lacks the heaviness that DT need.
>
Hey all,
Peter Collins would definately be a good choice for producer. Sure he did
do a great with Queensryche on Empire but how did you not hear his stuff with
Rush. Sure the two albums he did with them in the eighties were very
synth-oriented but Counterparts in 1993 was just a kick ass album. Before
that album I never thought Rush would have the ability to write hard rockin'
songs again. Peter Collins was the one got them back into this phase. I
definately see a great album coming up if Peter Collins produces it. And I
agree with an earlier post, we'll finally be able to hear Myung :)
Later....
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 10:46:07 EST
From: swb2@lehigh.edu (Swarup Bandyopadhyay)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Peter Collins producing?
Message-ID: <199604021546.KAA106453@ns3-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
>Here's a thought. What about long time producer Terry Brown producing a DT
>album? What do you all think?
>
Broon, huh? Now that would be interesting! Terry Brown did a great job with
Rush back in the day. I can't think about how the next album would sound with
his producing. All I can say is that he's the man that gave all of us the
great sounds of 2112, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures, all of which have
incredible sound quality.
Later....
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| and all that good stuff...." |
| -- Johnny Blaze a.k.a. Method Man |
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 12:32:52 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: uitar
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.2.12.32.52.2916992174.269853@bbs.fgallery.com>
Hey. i want to sell my acoustic guitar and i cant figure out a price..
its an Ibanez Pf-3 ,i bought it back in oct. 95,its like new..
the thing is that it is autographed by Steve Vai,he did it when back in
oct when he came to Puerto Rico for an Ibanez Clinic..so ok..i bought
the guitar alone for 230$.and i dont know for how much i should sell it
now..with the autograph and all..if anyone has sugestions..well :)
Kurt
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 08:39:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Charles Harrison
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960402075810.8796B-100000@gonzo.wolfenet.com>
Charles,
James is in his "Head Voice" when he's singing all those high notes.
Falsetto actually refers more precisely to the facilitation of
the vocal bands. The misconception is natural, however, because most
people, male vocalists in particular, find it easier to use these higher
notes while in a falsetto mode. Even the term "Head Voice" is
misleading, because every quality tone a singer makes finds resonance in
the masque of the face. What this means is that the sound, the air as it is
passed over the vocal chords, effectively hums in the cavities of the
head. This is true even of low notes that seem to originate in the
chest. Hearing the difference is simple, when you hear a note that
sounds murky, or thick (not terribly musical terms, but more definitive)
you can recognize that the vocalist is singing the note from his/her
throat, and that they are not singing into the masque. There is a
brightness to the quality of the sound as it is produced properly.
James does do some singing in falsetto, but he uses it almost exclusively
on the softer sections of their songs, and on many of the versions
recorded on Make Bahr's Acoustic Dreams. For me, personally, it is
precisely because James is not dependent upon a falsetto voice to reach
the show stopper notes that I enjoy listening to him sing. I always feel
the least bit cheated when a singer is building a nice melodic line which
you know will culminate in a powerfully sustained high note to accentuate
whatever emotion they are trying to convey, then at the last moment they
hitch and you hear a terribly thin version of that note as it is sung
falsetto. George Michael does this when covering Queen, and the examples
are endless of singers who "cheat." The word itself, falsetto, is
telling of a sound that is artificial to the normal speaking voice.
How much higher can James sing than we've heard? Not much. But then
there's not much room left is there, least ways not for a man. More
important though, at least to me, is the quality of the notes we hear.
It is for this reason that James continually impresses me. I hear dozens
of R&B artists that shout out their idea of singing, and the melodies
always sound as if they were sung from the bottom of a lake. Sure, there
are good R&B singers, too, and music is personal anyway, but for my money
there are damn few Labrie's singing our there.
Peter
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 12:45:07 -0400
From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: A few more Ytseshirts!!!
Message-ID: <31615993.193A@caribe.net>
Trey (T-Stretch) Allen wrote:
>
> Ive only got 4 more Ytse jam shirts left!!!!! $18 including shippiong and
> hadling!!! Let me know!!!!
>
Hey, I realize this is incredibly late, but here's hoping... Do you have any shirts left? I recently had a revelation, in which I realized,
besides discovering a plan for world peace (but that can wait), that I NEED a Ytsejam t-shirt!!! Please let me know if you have any and if you
do please reserve one for me.
Thanks,
-DMC-
--Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 96 11:42:11 From: Steve Lehrfeld <STEVE@kandu.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: to: Cesare Tirabassi Message-ID: <8E88C62F01810F00@kandu.com>
Cesare Tirabassi:
i received your tape yesterday. if you want a critique of it, give me your email address!
For everyone else:
Though I'm not particularly fond of Prater's work (drum-wise, everything else is fine), I've also heard nightmare stories about working with Peter Collins. However it appears QR and Rush like him, and the end result speaks for itself...
-steve DREG Records http://www.kandu.com/dreg/facade.html
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 1996 23:44:17 -0600 (CST) From: Brian Cox <lerxst@metronet.com> To: ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com Subject: new tellus album "stand by" Message-ID: <199604020544.AA09169@metronet.com>
my friends' band "tellus" has their cd ready to order. this band is from dallas, and is great. they are a trio, and have many influences including rush, king's x, eric johnson, etc. their new cd was produced by alan doss of galactic cowboys, and he even makes his debut playing keys on one track :) the guy that does the king's x album covers did the cover art for this one. the name tellus comes from the "out of the silent planet" book by c.s. lewis and literally means "silent planet".
check out their web page. ordering info and the cover art is available there.
http://rampages.onramp.net/~tellus/
or email tellus@onramp.net
thanks..
<><><><><><><><><> Brian V. Cox (lerxst@metronet.com) <><><><><><><><><> <>Rush|Dream Theater|Queensryche|King's X|Echolyn|King Crimson|Voivod><>
"You have to systematically create confusion - it sets creativity free. Everything that is contradictory creates life." -Salvador Dali, 1980
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:09:43 -0600 (CST) From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Musicians Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960402103919.21287B-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
I think this whole thing has gotten away from itself. I wouldn't say that you have to read music to play it, but it sure helps. There are some of us who wish to make a living is the field of music, and that may or may not include being in a successful rock band. I hope no one thinks making it in a band is easy. If you do, you're a fool. Sure, maybe a lot of jammers are in bands, but how many of you are doing nothing but playing in a band to support yourselves. I can't think of one person I personally know who does nothing but play in a band. They all teach music or have other various day jobs. They have to if they want to support themselves entirely by music. That's why I chose to study music in school. I don't worry about there being a day when I have to say "This rock band thing isn't going anywhere, I gotta put food on the table, I gotta get a real job." As a trained musician I can make a living at a variety of projects. If rock won't work, then I'll play Jazz, or classical, or teach, or compose, or all of the above. As a well rounded musician I can take almost any job that comes my way. I can play guitar, bass, piano and percussion. That greatly expands the jobs I can take. Being a studio musician can be good money, but if you can't read music they'll kick you out the door. I'm not saying I'm in it for the money, I play because I love it and I love to create. But sometimes creation and starvation go hand in hand. Education and knowledge should never be harmful but helpful. Whenever I found myself at a block in my playing, it was learning something new that got me past it. Now, having knowledge of music theory, ear training, and notation, etc.. makes those blocks non-existent, because knowledge of music allows me to learn more in a shorter period of time. I don't have to agonize so much about trying to figure something out. I never wanted to be "just a guitar player in a rock band," even to be as great as Petrucci I wanted more than just rock. And through school I have that. If you can make it in a rock band, more power to ya. Someone once said that if you make a living doing something you love, you'll never work a day in your life. Even if I'm teaching 'My Favorite Things' to fifth (firth?) graders, it will still be music.
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 11:24:54 -0600 (CST) From: Bryce Bukowsky <c664000@showme.missouri.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Metropolis (Ct'd)... Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960402111956.22072A-100000@silver.missouri.edu>
Well,
Thank you Mike. You know, one day when I was practicing w/ my old band I was messing around w/ tapping and I just heard the notes. About the musicianship thing... I am studying to be a musician. I am at the University of Missouri right now, but I plan on transferring in the fall to Webster in St. Louis. They offer a degree in Electronic Music, which is what I'm going into. Even though I figured out that technique, it's still pretty damn hard to play it as fast as JM. :) I'm glad to see that I was close. Actually, I didn't pull out my bass when I explained that, I just thought I had it memorized, that's probably why I am flat(or just not in tune w/ them considering I am tuned to a piano).
Thanks, Bryce Bukowsky
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 10:19:22 -0800 From: Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Demo sound Message-ID: <199604021819.KAA08323@mindcrime.ax.com>
. . .with all these people debating over which producer and album sounds better, I'm surprised nobody mentioned how demos sound. Granted they're not the best in the world, but I can always seem to hear each instrument pretty distinctly. . .think of the people that preferred the TTT demo over the I&W version. I also think the InstruMENTALs are good too, but maybe that's because the vocals aren't in them. . .
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:31:13 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: An Incredibly Paradoxical Letter to Debbie Message-ID: <19960402183111.AAA28063@mail.pananet.com>
>First I'd like to address the music reading thing - no, you're not a >musician if you can't read music or don't know any theory. Then you are >one who plays a musical instrument. If you're content with that, so be it. >
I still can't agree w/ you on this point Debbie. Remember that what they teach you in theory and harmony has been in western music before it written... people had been doing it by following what felt right to their ears... the only 'theory there was, was the whole Pythagoras thing... *then* a couple of smart people sat down and said 'Hey, we need to find a way explain how all of this works... and while we're at it, why don't we set up a standard way of writing this down on paper?' I know this didn't happen in one day... It kept progressing through time... In fact, the way we write and analyze music is still changing as we speak....
Don't get me wrong, I still think that knowing all of this helps a musician immemsely... and then, if when you say 'musician' you mean a *professional* musician, then I totally agree w/ you... you're gonna get nowhere fast in the music industry not knowin how to read music (unless you become a rock star :) But many people learn a lot of what they teach in music school through experience and their ears... they just don't know the names for it...
I just looked up the definition for musician in the dictionary: musician- a person skilled in composing or performing music, especially a proffesional...
OK, taking that definition (and emphasizing the 'professinial' part) I agree w/ you...
And all you people that seem to look at Debbie and the ones who agree w/ her as snobs, don't do it... I used to look at educated musicians as snobs too, but once I started learning all that stuff, I realized that they were right... It really helps you a lot both technically and creatively to study music...
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 15:33:01 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A few more Ytseshirts!!! Message-ID: <316180ED.33D7@caribe.net>
> Hey, I realize this is incredibly late, but here's hoping... Do you > have any shirts left? I recently had a revelation, in which I > realized, > besides discovering a plan for world peace (but that can wait), that I > NEED a Ytsejam t-shirt!!! Please let me know if you have any and if > you > do please reserve one for me.
Sorry, this was supposed to go personally to him... That damn "Reply to:"...
Later, -DMC-
--
Daniel McCormack emc@caribe.net http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/dan.html
"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist-" - General John Sedgewick, Union Commander in the Civil War, speaking his last words.
"Whad'ya mean I ain't kind? Just not your kind." - Megadeth, Peace Sells...But Who's Buying? ___ ___ ___________________________/ \___________/ \__ / __ ____ __ __ __ __ . / __ __ __ _/_ /\ / /_// / // / / | / / /_ /_/ / / /_/ / / / / /_ / / //__ @ /__ /__/|/ / /__//_ ./ / /_ / / / /_________________________________________________/ / dmc \_________________________________________________\/ 1996
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:36:59 -0500 From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Portnoy's Beard Message-ID: <0010200002380468000002*@MHS>
Graham B. sculpted: > Brian wrote: > > I was just gonna say that. Page 56. Portnoy shaved his beard. I think he > > shoulda left it. I always thought he looked kinda stupid without it. He looks > > like a tough guy with his beard. > > JP and MP share a beard. Whenever Mike gets fed up with it, he lends it > to John. I've noticed that whenever I see JP sporting a fresh beard, MP's > has suddenly disappeared. > > Graham B.
Ya know, Graham, I don't know which is scarier
a) That you still believe your shared beard conspiracy almost a year after you first proposed it
-or-
b) That I just happened to run across the posting in which you first proposed the conspiracy (YJ #809) on the same day in which you dredge it all up again (YJ #1394).
"Briiaaaan!" - Joe, _Wings_ "Kiiirrrrk!" - Khan, _Wrath of Khan_
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:26:11 -0500 From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: I love this thread Message-ID: <199604022026.PAA01687@mailserver1.tiac.net>
> Learning new instruments doesn't detract from your > abilities, it enhances them. I try to incorporate phrasing > horn players would use when I play the guitar. Music is > holistic (IMO), the more areas you cover, the more tools > you have to use.
Do you _play_ a horn or do you just listen to horn players and incorporate their style and phrasing on your primary instrument? There is a huge difference. I never said to only listen to players of your primary instrument. Transcribing sax solos and playing them on guitar will greatly help your guitar playing and learning that style. Learning to play the sax in addition to the guitar will not help your guitar playing.
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> Finally, stop "picking on" Debbie. She provided her > _opinion_, not fact, so take it for what you will.
Absolutely. We should not attack Deb directly. Just respond to what she wrote. It's a good thread :).
--Marc R
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