YTSEJAM Digest 1399
Today's Topics:
1) Re: The natives are restless
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/02/96 - 21:50:44" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Music
by "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
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by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
5) Threads
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
6) Howard and Friends.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
7) AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGH!
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
8) RE: Mike's postcard
by MATTHEW D PASTOR <S_MDPASTOR@vaxa.clarion.edu>
9) Hamlet
by larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)
10) Graham 'N Oates
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
11) Quote me
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
12) Ugh ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
13) Superior
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
14) Re: uitar (No DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
15) Re: if Broon were to produce DT
by curth@execpc.com
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:26:01 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: The natives are restless
Message-ID: <199604022026.PAA01671@mailserver1.tiac.net>
>Marc - I would like to know why you feel learning more than one instrument
>takes away from your skill at your usual weapon of choice.
I thought I explained that. Clearly, when you're practicing piano, you
cannot be practicing bass which means that part of your practice time on
bass has been given up for piano which does not improve your bass playing
although it may have an effect on your overall musicianship. It's not so
much that it takes away from your primary instrument, rather that it
doesn't give anything to it. If you have 3 hours to practice and you
split the time between two instruments, you won't make the same progress
on the two that you would if the whole time was spent on one.
> I personally would rather have working knowledge of several
> instruments than be a virtuoso on only one.
That's a wierd statement. Why? You, obviously, are not a performer. Being
mediocre on a number of instruments doesn't get you far.
> Don't you think learning several instruments would
> enhance one's musicianship and compositional skills?
Sure. But not to the point that it's so important to do that you take
time from your primary instrument. Like I said, a chordal instrument is
good to learn if you can so you can understand harmony better. Chords on
sax don't come out well :).
> And what's wrong with knowing music history, even to the
> beginnings of jazz? Can knowledge of music really do harm?
> Of course not, but obviously you don't want to be a very
> well-rounded person.
There is nothing _wrong_ with knowing music history. No amount of
knowledge is ever going to be bad. But, Deb, you made it a _requirement_!
Well rounded, well shmounded. There is no knowledge of music history
requirement to be a musician. But it sure can't hurt and will probably
help, especially if you are composing.
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net)
Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at
http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 15:49:28 EST
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:53:53 -0700 (MST)
From: "Devil's Plaything" <papined@pr.erau.edu>
To: Ytsejam List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Music
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960402134653.25621B-100000@moon.pr.erau.edu>
Just my $0.02 (<-- ripped off from someone else...sorry)
OK, as everyone knows, music is something that affects the very soul, it
is something that concatenates with our emotions, even our physical
being, and takes us somewhere spiritually. Anyone who can create sound
to achive this effect is, in my book, a musician.
MUSIC IS A PERSONAL THING, AND THUS, THE DEFINITION OF A MUSICIAN IS ALSO
A PERSONAL THING
Music is an art (like painting, writing, computer programming) and can be
studied, but not readily defined. The same goes for the musician.
One more thing, although the use and knowledge of notes is a refined and
age old tradition, it is SOOOOO European!!! I can't stand people with
this damn uppidy western-euro mindset on things! You think the native
americans gave a shit as to what a half-note looks like, or where on the
scale there notes were NO! They created music, and thats all that matters!
Byebye...
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So many ways to drown a man...so many ways to drag him down
Some are fast and some take years and years
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The Devil's Plaything
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David Papineau
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:59:57 -0600 (CST)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960402145629.26490A-100000@indy15.gclab.missouri.edu>
>>>Hey I just saw Elizabeth Berkely on 'Step by Step'... was she the chic
>>>that used to be in 'Saved By the Bell' wow how ironic... from
>>>high-school brat to lap-dancer...
>>
>>Maybe in PANAMA, but we call it Showgirls in ARKVILLE!
>
>I'm talking way b4 Showgirls... You remember don't you, Saved by the
>Bell? that really stupid TV programs which, as most of its type, make a
>totally inaccurate representation of high school... she was the one w/
>the long red curly hair...
He wasn't talking about Saved By the Bell, he was talking about
Showgirls. Elizabeth Berkely was a lap dancer in *Showgirls*, not "Step
by Step."
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:21:07 -0500
From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Threads
Message-ID: <199604022121.QAA23787@home.glasscity.net>
All right, here's a few candid opinions (as Calvin put it). First,
about the "What is a Musician?" thread. Those were all good points, but
none of them are required to be a true musician. They do, however, help a
great deal. Next, thanks for the transcription for Metropolis. If anyone
finds an "official" version, please post it. As for our friend Peter
Collins, I'm sure he'll do an excellent job on the DT album. I've enjoyed
all his work with Rush.
Here's a question: if Metropolis is part one, what is part two? If
there isn't one, does anyone know if more parts will be on upcoming
releases. I love musical trilogies. Rush did a bunch of them. Does anyone
know how many trilogies they did and what songs they include?
A friend of mine was telling me about some legal trouble Ibanez got
into for building 7-string guitars. Who else was building tham, and how
many models of them did Ibanez sell?
Finally, about learning several instruments. This does not always
improve playing of your main instrument, but it does allow you to have a
broader view of music. I play electric and upright bass right now, but I
used to play piano, violin, and cello and I'm trying to learn trombone.
There are problems with learning several instruments, though. My uncle, a
(French) horn player says that the number one way to ruin a horn embouchure
is learning to play trumbet. Learn new instruments, but don't ruin your
skills on your main instrument.
I think that's all. Has anyone noticed a sudden increase in the
number of jams we've been getting? It's hard enough to keep up as it is.
Feyd
"Maybe I'm just Cassandra fleeting, twentieth century icon bleeding..."
BTW, anyone know DT's position on religion? Not that it matters, but A Mind
Beside Itself and aCoS seem very critical of organized religion. I don't
know about you guys but I am.
Mark Tomko
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:24:48 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Howard and Friends.
Message-ID: <199604022124.OAA14488@maple.enet.net>
>Somebody wrote about Howard using The Mirror on his show and thought it
>would be a good idea to ask him for help. Well, a friend of mine heard
>him go thru the entire Awake album and rip it apart! I don't think you'll
>get much help from him.
Yeah. A friend of mine once told me that while driving to a dinner with the
president, he came upon Jennifer Aniston standing on the side of the road
hitchhiking. He picked her up, and right as she got in the car, aliens
destroyed the whole human population.....except for him and Ms. Aniston.
Jennifer suggested that they start reproducing right away so that they could
get the world back to normal as quickly as possible. They lived sexually
ever after.
That just goes to show you that (ballsandchunkballsandchunk) either friends
don't always tell the truth, or that they're incredibly lucky.
>Uh oh. The generation gap is finally starting to kick in. Masters
>Laussade and Zero are on the front lines...Ytsejambassador Brian is
>flying in from France...the "men" are ready to retaliate. Mutual assured
>destruction is imminent. What happens next? Find out in Marvel Comics!
I may be the youngest on the list, but I don't fill up a whole Jam with my
posts. I hereby pronounce myself neutral if an age war erupts.
>Finally, stop "picking on" Debbie. She provided her _opinion_, not fact, so
>take it for what you will. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
On the contrary!!
>First I'd like to address the music reading thing - no, you're not a
>musician if you can't read music or don't know any theory.
False or not, that sounds like a fact to me. And, you are not giving the
definition of a musician! That is the definition of a GOOD musician! Oookaay?
>Swarup Bandyopadhyay
Just out of curiosity....what culture/nationality/country/you know what I
mean does this name come from? It carries striking similarities to Partha's
name, so I assume that they come from the same "you know what I mean". Don't
mean to intrude, just interested.
>James is in his "Head Voice" when he's singing all those high notes.
>Falsetto actually refers more precisely to the facilitation of
>the vocal bands. The misconception is natural, however, because most
>people, male vocalists in particular, find it easier to use these higher
>notes while in a falsetto mode.
Waaaait...you can TELL when someone's using falsetto. James only uses
falsetto in one spot on Awake. The first chorus in (BEN) LSoaD, the word
"dream" is in falsetto. That spot in Innocence Faded is not. Just so you
know, I can sing the entire national anthem in my falsetto. Of course, all
the windows break, but that's not the point....
Okay. I is going to leave away now, because I learning the language so I
could be a well musician.
Ben Laussade
Favorite Song of the Week: Island in the Stream
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:31:48 -0800
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGH!
Message-ID: <199604022131.NAA25067@ix10.ix.netcom.com>
i'm drowning in jams lately! i thought the floods had kinda calmed, we
were down to one or two a day at one time werent we? oh well, gives me
somethin to do...
>I'm sorry if this goes out on the list, but if anyone can tell me how
>to unsubscribe from this list i'd be eternally greatful. I've never
>heard Dream Theater, but I agree that Oasis is worse than death.
? How did you get on this list???
>howard Stern ripped Awake apart? What did he say? Basically.
from what i heard he liked the first few seconds, 'til the keyboards
came in... he bitched about that a bit and then said he doesnt like
LaBrie's vocals either.
on one more note i've got a thing w/ Yngwie reviewing bands, this was
at the time of I&W, and he actually liked them. His only complaint was
the drumming, maybe it was those drum triggers...
>My vote for who should produce the next DT album:
>
>Vinnie Paul!!
yeah bro! Vinnies totally killer, he plays like he's beating down a
brick wall, i'd love to hear what his producing DT would come to...
>IMHO, tab is a cop-out. I'm not
>saying that to put rancor in the hearts of those who use it, I just
>think it's more satisfying to be able to read music and play it.
>Besides, I started on saxophone, and there's no tab for it, just
>music.
>
i think it is more satisfying to really read it, i've been working on
my reading lately because i play in a jazz band, and its a lotta fun.
but tab is also nice to know exactly what fingerings to use where on
the fretboard, for when you get up into those 90 mph solos i dunno bout
you but i dont have the notes of the board in my head THAT well, and
instead of working through everything slow at first you can build right
up and see it all, and also for those interested in playing for fun and
learning quick, its a big help.
'sabout it for now
~Rip
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:46:02 -0500 (EST)
From: MATTHEW D PASTOR <S_MDPASTOR@vaxa.clarion.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: Mike's postcard
Message-ID: <960402164602.20a12647@vaxa.clarion.edu>
I would love for them to do a video for each of the releases from the upcoming
album. By then, they will be due for another videotape release. They can put
the videos on that.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:02:43 -0500
From: larsh@ionsys.com (Lars Hellsten)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hamlet
Message-ID: <199604022202.RAA11524@bart.ionsys.com>
>At the end of Pull Me Under James is singing "Oh that this too, too solid
>flesh would melt" It's from Hamlet, you know the part where he's in the
>graveyard acting like a lunatic as usual "Alas, poor Yorick, blah blah blah"
>That part
>It's in the FAQ
Jesus christ, the education system down in the US must be really bad. It's
at the BEGINING of the play, not the end ... "Oh that this too, too solid
flesh would melt" is the first line of Hamlet's first soliloquy, and occurs
when he's upset about how quickly his mother remarried to Claudius after
Hamlet's father died.
-- Lars Hellsten (larsh@ionsys.com) /*/ http://www.ionsys.com/~larsh "Once I reached for love, and now I reach for life" - Dream Theater------------------------------
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 14:05:06 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Graham 'N Oates Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960402140155.57570B-100000@homer11.u.washington.edu>
The new cereal for the Ytsejammer in all of us.
---- > From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> > Subject: Portnoy's Beard > > ------------------------------ > > Middle of YTSEJAM Digest 1394 > *****************************
LOL!! Much appreciated antics, Graham. :)
Reminds me of me in my younger, wilder days...
---- > From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> > Subject: IRC Primer? > > Bafu: Digital man just scooped us both! Oif! I think skadz should set > up a special "end of Jam" thread. Just a continuing sarcastic tirade, > guaranteed to end every jam. Then again, maybe I'll just go hit myself > upside the head with a wet elephant (again)
You and your competitions. *sigh* Do you also agree with Deb that total knowledge is the only gateway to accomplishing anything?
> Bafu Vai > > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1394 > **************************
Blessing or curse? On the next Oprah.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:20:06 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Quote me Message-ID: <199604022220.RAA07045@kirk.ici.net>
>Marc - I would like to know why you feel learning more than one instrument >takes away from your skill at your usual weapon of choice. I personally >would rather have working knowledge of several instruments than be a >virtuoso on only one. Don't you think learning several instruments would >enhance one's musicianship and compositional skills?
I agree with Marc here. While being proficient with several musical instruments is a noble goal, I think that being a virtuoso on several is impossible. The time and effort required to maintain that level of proficiency precludes you from doing it on more than one.
For example: Eddie Van Halen also plays piano. Now, nobody is going to call him a keyboard virtuoso, but he could do it. The problem is that in order for that to happen, his guitar playing will suffer.
If you want to be good, play as many instruments as you want. If you want to be GREAT, pick one and stick with it.
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>things like, I'm gonna play a flat 9th over the phrygian-diminished scale of >D, they're not thinking in terms of rules and books... it's just that >they're familiar w/ the sounds in they're heads... they know how all those >weird chords sound and what effect they'll have on the music... so basically >the 'follow you're ear' principle is still there, just that they have a >wider knowledge, and know all the names....
Call me wacky, but knowing the names for what your doing does not improve your functional knowledge of music. I could memorize every word in the dictionary, and it still wouldn't make me speak any better.
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Pat Sullivan_____psull@ici.net_____________________________________________ "The wide corridor up the center of E Block was floored with linoleum the color of tired old limes, and so what was called the Last Mile at other prisons was called the Green Mile (here) at Cold Mountain" ____________Stephen King - "The Green Mile part 1 - The Two Dead Girls"____
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:34:40 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ugh .... Message-ID: <199604022234.RAA13955@wicked.stigmata.org>
25 or so jams later and my eyes sure hurt.....
Hey all....
Let's see.....
Pyramid Schemes. Blah, garbage. When I find some time I will try to get the list to only accept emails from subscribers. We tried to do this originally, but it didn't work right, so if I find some time (hahahah... that's a funny one) I will look in to it.
Metropolis. Ken is a busy man. Subscribers to the new release mailing list have gotten 2 lists in like the last 2 months, so be patient, let Ken catch up on his life, and we will start getting some Metropli.
Emailing me. I'm a busy guy too. Basically have spent the day trying to clean out my mailbox, so if you have sent me any mail, you should get a reply soon. If you send me mail in the future, it may take a few days for me to get back to you, but I will, promise.
My busyness. Well, basically, I am working two jobs now, so I have about zero free time these days. I am also on about 20 mailing lists, some of which send out 200+ emails daily, so my mailbox keeps me pretty busy too.
Bafu is nuts. End of story :) How does he do that end of jam thing????
Being a musician. IMHO, it takes two things, heart and time. You need to really love it and enjoy it. But you also need the time to practice :) I love music in general, own two guitars and never have a fuckin chance to play them, so I can't get any better. :(
DTC - good to see lots of it lately :)
RunDMC, Anthrax and Nirvana on the DT list in one week? AHHHHHH :) Made me go listen to some Anthrax though :)
Thank yous.... Go out to:
Tim Lodge: Thanks for the CDs! They rock Jason Giles: The T shirt. As awesome as the last one I messed up :) Pellazzzzzz: Bonedance... One word: RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Xwindows: AHHHHHHH. Xwindows and DOS/M$Winblowz don't belong in the same sentence together. Xwin was first and is much mcuh much better. You just have to know Unix to play with it :)
I think that's all for now.
See ya all later
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 15:50:39 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior Message-ID: <s1614cf2.088@IOMEGA.COM>
Hola mi amigos, I can now give my review of Superior. I've had it for about 3 weeks now. This CD ROCKS!!! I can't express how imperative that all of you have this for your collection. Production is some of the best I've ever heard. The songwriting ranks right up there with DT although they don't sound like them. They also have thought producing lyric. This is a very heavy CD, in the vein of AWAKE and heavier than FW. I Like the heavier edge which is why AWAKE is my favorite DT CD. Favorites on this are Escape from Reality, 911, and Why. Please do yourselves a favor and tell Jason Skewes you want this. Everyone that I've played this for loves it immediately, even the non DT fans <sacrilege). Jason, I'm working on a large order. I understand Bernd ships in lots of 10-perfect. I'll let you know if it pulls off. These guys SHOULD WARM UP FOR DT!!! They're definitely worthy. <visions of Garth and Wayne bowing down>. In conclusion, GET THIS!! You won't be sorry.
Musically enlightened, Wilmo In the words of Ytse-Ben: New favorite song of the week: Escape From Reality
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:01:34 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: uitar (No DTC) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604021700.A22734-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 kurt@fgallery.com wrote:
> Hey. i want to sell my acoustic guitar and i cant figure out a price.. > its an Ibanez Pf-3 ,i bought it back in oct. 95,its like new.. > the thing is that it is autographed by Steve Vai,he did it when back in > oct when he came to Puerto Rico for an Ibanez Clinic..so ok..i bought > the guitar alone for 230$.and i dont know for how much i should sell it > now..with the autograph and all..if anyone has sugestions..well :) > > Kurt
If the potential buyer doesn't know who Steve Vai is, he will probably pay less than you paid for it, and think that Steve's autograph is an ink stain/splotch. If the potential buyer is a Steve Vai aficionado, then you may get more, but I can't quantify how much.
Decepticons, retreat!
G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:19:58 -0600 (CST) From: curth@execpc.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: if Broon were to produce DT Message-ID: <199604022319.RAA15266@earth.execpc.com>
>>Here's a thought. What about long time producer Terry Brown producing a DT >>album? What do you all think? >> >Broon, huh? Now that would be interesting! Terry Brown did a great job with >Rush back in the day. I can't think about how the next album would sound with >his producing. All I can say is that he's the man that gave all of us the >great sounds of 2112, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures, all of which have >incredible sound quality.
Let us not forget about Broon's work with the Status Seeker and Afterlife remixes that he did - much better than the originals (production-wise) and also his work on Fates' Parallels CD. However, my choice would still be for Peter Collins - I think he'd push DT more than Broon would - just as he did with Rush.
Scott Hansen curth@execpc.com
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