YTSEJAM Digest 1402
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Musician or No?
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 05:41:36" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1401
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1399
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) Mike Portnoy and the drums on Pull Me Under
by "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
6) sigstuffandmorefromtherealandymiller (Ytsejam post) (fwd)
by NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
7) FINAL NOTICE
by cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve Cohen)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1401
by buster <buster@ee.net>
9) a few questions
by Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
10) Re: the real asshole on the Jam (No DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
11) To all
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
12) Re: Mike Bahr's CDs
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
13) Vauxdvihl
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
14) argh
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
15) # of Musical Instruments Played
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:19:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Musician or No?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960402210306.21177C-100000@comp.uark.edu>
Well, there has been a lot of talk about who is and is not a musician
lately. Let me examine whether or not *I* am a musician...
I started playing piano at the age of about 4. Practiced for 30 minutes
or more every single day until I was about 16. I was taught to read
music, taught theory, etc. during this time. I played French Horn for 3
years in junior high school (had to basically re-learn it after the first
year when I had braces put on)... at one point during marching season I
switched to playing trumpet since they are much easier to march with and
our school didn't have the marching French horns. I took music
appreciation in college where I learned all about everything from
Gregorian chants to the romantic period to musical advances in the 20th
century. I've even played around with some guitar and learned the riffs
from a few songs like Silent Lucidity and One.
But, I don't consider myself to be a musician... and if asked, my
friends and family wouldn't consider me a musician either. I am someone
who can play an instrument (piano) and get sounds to come from a few others.
So what *does* make a musician in my opinion?
1. You gotta have the love... music is an art form... something
emotional. Emotion has to be put into it to get any out.
2. You gotta have the drive... Playing/performing/practicing has to
take an important role in your life.
3. One of the following should apply to you:
a. You are proficient at your instrument.
b. You create meaningful and emotional music.
Let me explain number three... John Petrucci is a musician; Kurt Cobain
was a musician (I am *not* a Nirvana fan, btw); someone who performs
difficult classical compositions well, but doesn't write his own music is
still a musician. Someone who loves music and practices 'Mary Had a
Little Lamb' for 2 hours a day is not a musician, no matter how well
they can read notes on a page or know about Beethoven.
That's about the only real requirements I can think of... granted there
are various stages of each of these and it's hard to draw a line at one
specific point as in you have to practice 30 hours a week to be a
musician, or you have to be able to play Lizst, or whatever.
All the other things Debbie listed are things I consider supplemental...
-- Yes, it's good to be able to read music, but it's not a necessity. A
friend of mine has played bass guitar for 20 years now and is very
proficient at it... he teaches himself difficult pieces by ear; he knows
what the keys are, he knows chords/arpegggios/etc. He creates his own
music that is at points brilliant... he doesn't read music.
-- Music history is by no means necessary... helpful, yes.
Like others have said: music is an attitude... an art form. It's all
about emotion and producing a response either for the player or the listener.
Are *you* a musician? Well, that's all up to you...
DrX -- aka Death
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 23:40:17 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 05:41:36" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:41:49 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1401
Message-ID: <199604030441.UAA02570@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
>>This unmoderated jam sure brings out all the real assholes, like you!
And you...
>>....don't forget that this is all In My Opinion.:>).<<
>>Warren in Oregon
Also Gilbert...you are ugly and your breath smells like someone's
asshole...probably a good reason for that. :>) don't forget IMHO
applies to all this stuff.
Dream Theater content...anyone other than the dick head above heard
anything about the fan club and their attempts to get things going
again??
Hi MARK METZGER...Buck is an asshole too.<<
Sounds like somebody's has that bloated feeling again!
Scott Cook
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:47:17 -0400
From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1399
Message-ID: <19960403044715.AAA11752@mail.pananet.com>
>He wasn't talking about Saved By the Bell, he was talking about
>Showgirls. Elizabeth Berkely was a lap dancer in *Showgirls*, not "Step
>by Step."
>
Sorry to still bug w/ this annoying thread, but I have to clarify myself...
she came on as a guest on 'Step by Step' as a normal everyday girl... I'm
well aware that she's a lap-dancer in Showgirls... we *do* get movies here
in Panama, believe it or not...
>
>on one more note i've got a thing w/ Yngwie reviewing bands, this was
>at the time of I&W, and he actually liked them. His only complaint was
>the drumming, maybe it was those drum triggers...
>
I read that too... I beliive they were the only band he actually liked... he
said he didn't like how MP played... he said that he was like a Neil Peart
on steroids and needed to take a valium and calm down. He also said that
'his choice of beats was terrible'... but over-all he said that DT was one
of his favorite bands at the moment... in fact it was the only song he
recognized. He even slagged off Satch! I think he liked Vai's tune though...
>Jesus christ, the education system down in the US must be really bad.
I hear screams of anger from an annoying thread forming in the flaming
bowels of hell:)
>>things like, I'm gonna play a flat 9th over the phrygian-diminished scale of
>>D, they're not thinking in terms of rules and books... it's just that
>>they're familiar w/ the sounds in they're heads... they know how all those
>>weird chords sound and what effect they'll have on the music... so basically
>>the 'follow you're ear' principle is still there, just that they have a
>>wider knowledge, and know all the names....
>
>Call me wacky, but knowing the names for what your doing does not improve
>your functional knowledge of music. I could memorize every word in the
>dictionary, and it still wouldn't make me speak any better.
>
If you memorized the entire dictionary, you would increase your
vocabulary... w/ a greater vocabulary you can express yoursef better... same
thing w/ music... this is assuming, of course, that you don't know every
single word in the English language
what I'm trying to say is that besides knowing names for all these things,
you also learn a lot more than you would normally learn... do you think DT's
music would be as great if they didn't have such a great musical vocabulary?
they certainly go beyond the usual major/minor/seventh chords which is what
most people learn since that's what's mostly heard...
Any ELP fans out there? Could one of you please explain to me what Tarkus is
about? It *is* a concept album right?
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|in the distance, you faintly hear... |
| HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| ...and then the song starts. |
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|Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com}
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 00:15:03 -0500
From: "M. Stalker (Lugie on IRC)" <4ms28@qlink.queensu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mike Portnoy and the drums on Pull Me Under
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960403051503.006b8fcc@qlink.queensu.ca>
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 13:31:48 -0800 ripzero@ix.netcom.com said:
>on one more note i've got a thing w/ Yngwie reviewing bands, this was
>at the time of I&W, and he actually liked them. His only complaint was
>the drumming, maybe it was those drum triggers...
You know, I've always thought PMU could be a better song if the drums on
were different. Specifically, I think Mike got a little carried away with
the double bass. A lot of it has to do with the sound of the trigger but I
think that doing 16th-note patterns for most of the song is just not right.
It makes it sound like an work-out video! For very long passages, the
barrage of kick-drum notes is really distracting and insensitive for a song
like PMU. This is my only beef with Mike's drumming, he focuses his playing
too much on the bass drums; otherwise I think hes phenominal. And it isn't
because I'm against drums being prominent in the mix (I'm a drummer too), he
just needs to rest his feet a bit.
Just my opinion.
>>My vote for who should produce the next DT album:
>>
>>Vinnie Paul!!
>yeah bro! Vinnies totally killer, he plays like he's beating down a
>brick wall, i'd love to hear what his producing DT would come to...
Wow, that would be a trip. Vinnie Paul: now there's a drummer with bass
drums from hell! Totally appropriate for Pantera's music, though.
Later,
Lugie.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:16:42 -0600 (CST)
From: NUPRIN <nuprin@wichita.fn.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: sigstuffandmorefromtherealandymiller (Ytsejam post) (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.960402231629.18047A-100000@wichita.fn.net>
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John Nguyen
(aka NUPRIN)
musican, artist, programmer, lover
http://www.feist.com/~nuprin
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"...all I want is to have my peace of mind..."
-- Boston
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:07:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Andy <ytsejam@UDel.Edu>
To: "John T. Nguyen" <nuprin@fn.net>
Subject: sigstuffandmorefromtherealandymiller (Ytsejam post)
First one of the best..... then one of the funniest .sig's I've seen in a
while. Short and quick is where the real comedy in a .sig is.
-------- "Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha
Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha
!?#@*&$%!..."
-- Sound Chaser
------------------------------------------------------
"If the song I sing to you could fill your heart with
joy, I'd sing forever" - John Stamos and the Beach Boys, "Forever"
Hey Jeff, no flames, just find it a bit funny. Ok now that I have
nobody's attention, can someone tell me if they have heard any concrete
rumors as to Peter Gabriel, and Steve Hackett, re-joining Genesis for a
summer tour. Please help me out with this one. Thanks.
Now back to Steve, Ben, and DreamNDay. Was I supposed to call him Bafu,
I don't know I'm all mixed up. later--- andy
andy miller As Geddy Lee once said "Goodnight"
ytsejam@Udel.Edu --I'm sure he's said it before--
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 00:22:22 -0500
From: cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Steve Cohen)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FINAL NOTICE
Message-ID: <199604030522.AAA25972@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu>
To anyone that sent me a picture without a bio or a bio without a picture: I
really need the other. I'm putting a rough version of the page up tonight
(4/2) so if you could get me the stuff very quickly, it would be cool. I
need pictures of rockin,(pam wheaton), E-Man, and damon. I also need bios of
those of you that have sent me email!!! Please return them as soon as
possible!!! This is really important! LUGIE this means you, i need your bio.
PLEASE PLEASE HURRY!!!
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* "You can deviate from the commonplace only to fall back in line." *
* -Dream Theater *
* "Orthodoxy means not thinking-not needing to think. Orthodoxy is *
* unconscoiusness" -George Orwell, 1984 *
* "Prayer has no place in school, just like fact has no place in *
* organized religion"- Principal Skinner on "The Simpsons" *
* "All sweeping generalizations are bad" -Me *
* RUSH_DREAM THEATER_EXTREME_YES_QUEENSRYCHE <- The Music *
* Cohen.132@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu <-The Man-> cohen.132@osu.edu *
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 00:35:05 -0800
From: buster <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1401
Message-ID: <31623839.3205@ee.net>
I'm not sure where the late requests are coming from, but I have had 3 in my email this
week for the DREAM THEATER DOOM2 level. For those of you that asked, I don't have the
time to email them anymore, but you CAN download it from my homepage:
http://users1.ee.net/buster
And to the guy who keeps getting cut off in downloads, check the options in your Net
software...something is timing out on you. Everyone has been able to download the level
fine from that site. Good Luck!
Dave
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:55:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Conrad Chi <uchic00@mcl.ucsb.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: a few questions
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.960402215002.12195B-100000@mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu>
Back from spring break and I need to know some stuff.
-Does anybody know the month of the BURNN magazine with the polls
in it? Has their been any word from Neil Elliot about the fan
club being redone? What is up with Blaze Bailey (Maiden show
on friday!!) ?
Can someone e-mail me with reviews of the new ANGRA.
Thanks!
Later on,
Conrad Chi
Playlist: Helloween - Master of the Rings
Solitude Aeturnus - into the depths of sorrow
Fates Warning - Chasing time
October Project - falling farther in
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:09:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the real asshole on the Jam (No DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604030057.A18268-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996 WarrenDW@aol.com wrote:
> >From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
> >To: ytsejam@ax.com
> >Subject: Madrigal Misc. Miasma
> >>To those of you who don't like/get my humor...yep...you guessed it...you're
> >>an asshole.
> >
> >I don't like your humor, and I think you're the a$$hole.
>
> NO, Gilbert Jack Thetgyi...to understand the 'asshole' humor that I put out
> now and then you must go back over a year on the Jam. Back then you
> probably thought DT was what you went through when you were in 'de-tox'.
I was on the 'Jam a year ago, and I didn't care for your humor then, either.
If you're going to refer to delirium tremens, at least right it out. One
more thing, I don't drink. If you do, that may explain you're sorry
excuses for posts.
> I guess I should add that now you qualify as a Fucking Idiot too!!!
> This unmoderated jam sure brings out all the real assholes, like
> you!....don't forget that this is all In My Opinion.:>).
I'm glad it's your opinion, even though I detest it, I'll still respect it.
Do I get anything with my membership? Or is it just honorary? Another
thing, being a "real a-hole", are there replica a-holes? Clones?
> By the way...next time you post please use your real name and not some stupid
> sounding tongue twister.
I _do_ use my real name, I just abbreviate my first name and use my
middle name. The last name is also authentic. At least I have the nerve
to show my last name, you imbecile. If my name sounds like a stupid tongue
twister, deal with it.
> Warren in Oregon
> Also Gilbert...you are ugly and your breath smells like someone's
> asshole...probably a good reason for that. :>) don't forget IMHO applies to
> all this stuff.
At least I don't go around smelling other people's a-holes...I think you
may be confusing Lavoris with clitoris.
> Dream Theater content...anyone other than the dick head above heard anything
> about the fan club and their attempts to get things going again??
> Hi MARK METZGER...Buck is an asshole too.
No one has heard anything about the fan club. I hope your refund check
bounces.
Jack in Ohio
Hello civilized 'Jammers...you guys and gals aren't a-holes.
Hey Warren in Oregon, "God bless".
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu
"Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me."
-Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell"
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 01:16:53 EST
From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To all
Message-ID: <096.05066326.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
As I sit here and write this I just finished going through my 6th
jam of the day, it's too much guys.
1) Mojoman, yes I am one of the 5% and apparently you are jealous of
more than just the items in the pictures ( inside joke ) WDADU is a
great album and in listening to the first albums of all the bands in
my CD collection, it is the only one that I really listen to because
I like it. The others are there for completing a collection.
2) Steve, When I speak it's like E.F. Hutton; People listen. Not to
sound cocky but I normally don't open my mouth unless I have
something useful to say, unlike all these people who repeat other
jammers messages and then write two word opinions, yeah that takes a
lot of thought ( sarcastic ).
3) Digital man/ wedge ( Same person ) Were not you the one who
suggested that we use " The conch "? Take your own advice and keep
the useless stuff off the jam.
4) Jack, despite what people say, I think your the man. Thanks again.
5) As Geddy Lee once sang " Let the Fray begin " Or in this case let
the flames begin
Conversation summer 1983; Gene, my guitar is in the shop. Would you
mind bringing your Strat over to Brendans house tonight. Centurion is
practicing and I need another guitar. " Sure John, no problem man "
This really happened, I kid you not
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 22:22:56 -0800
From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mike Bahr's CDs
Message-ID: <199604030622.WAA01337@ichips.intel.com>
What I want to know is, did Mike pay taxes on his ~$50,000 in revenue from
last year?
Ouch...
Everyone have a happy April 15th!
Jim
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my ** I don't speak for Intel ** | fellow mankind, do you really (they're not that foolish) | think I would put it HERE?------------------------------
Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 01:22:46 -0800 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Vauxdvihl Message-ID: <31624366.6789@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
It always amazes me that while reading through the day's 10 jams that something relevent always pops up. I am currently having an e-mail conversation with the Vauxdvihl's guitarist's girlfriend. They are a prog-metal band from Australia, kinda Queensryche at times, a bit more complex, they use some backing noise, space synth sounds, the vocalist sounds a bit like a guy from a alt-hard rock band (kinda distorted vocals at times, voice is on the deep end), lyrics are cerebral. I have an entry on them on my Unsigned Bands page (URL is below in my sig) and I may have a sound clip, I have forgotten which sound clips I have up right now. I'd definitely recommend the band, some of the better prog-metal, at least up their with Ivanhoe on my likes list, but a step below Shadow Gallery, Superior, and Braindance.
Later,
Mike
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 01:32:59 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: argh Message-ID: <199604030632.BAA16293@wicked.stigmata.org>
stop posting about any bands other than dt my damn tape collection is getting some use :)
just kiddin of course
the one the only skadz
ps - bafu bafu bafu
:)
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 01:35:47 -0800 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: # of Musical Instruments Played Message-ID: <31624673.6254@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
Just a quick comment on the number of instruments played thread, I think that knowing how to play a number of instruments greatly helps in writing music, and also is important in performing. If your band is going to incorporate non-conventional instruments (horns, flute, etc...) into a rock setting it is important to have someone who can play those instruments live. I agree that playing more than one instrument takes away from the practice time on your primary instrument, but it gives you a better feel for playing along with someone else who plays the same instrument. I play Trombone (well), piano (badly), violin (OK), sing (OK) and I'm learning music theory right now. I've found that knowing many instruments greatly enhances my ability to write music.
Being the best technical player you can be stands for something, but you should be able to write music, and if your good, write music for a whole band. Just sitting their playing your one instrument isn't necessarily the best way to do this.
Later,
Mike
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