YTSEJAM Digest 1401
Today's Topics:
1) the real asshole on the Jam
by WarrenDW@aol.com
2) ^`'~*-._.*~^`'~*-._.*~^`'~*-._.*
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
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by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 03:50:02" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) the battle continues .....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
6) Re: Ben Laussade
by Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com>
7) Superior
by Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans)
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1400
by Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net>
9) Re: Iowa Moocow
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
10) Bahr's CDs...
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
11) Sorry
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
12) Sorry
by swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)
13) Re: Producer possibilities.....
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
14) Birch Hill bootleg?
by rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada)
15) Sacth on Rockline
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
16) oh, just a bunch of neat-0 tidbits.
by blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:16:25 -0500
From: WarrenDW@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: the real asshole on the Jam
Message-ID: <960402211625_504288913@mail04>
>From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Madrigal Misc. Miasma
>>To those of you who don't like/get my humor...yep...you guessed it...you're
>>an asshole.
>
>I don't like your humor, and I think you're the a$$hole.
NO, Gilbert Jack Thetgyi...to understand the 'asshole' humor that I put out
now and then you must go back over a year on the Jam. Back then you
probably thought DT was what you went through when you were in 'de-tox'. I
guess I should add that now you qualify as a Fucking Idiot too!!!
This unmoderated jam sure brings out all the real assholes, like
you!....don't forget that this is all In My Opinion.:>).
By the way...next time you post please use your real name and not some stupid
sounding tongue twister.
Warren in Oregon
Also Gilbert...you are ugly and your breath smells like someone's
asshole...probably a good reason for that. :>) don't forget IMHO applies to
all this stuff.
Dream Theater content...anyone other than the dick head above heard anything
about the fan club and their attempts to get things going again??
Hi MARK METZGER...Buck is an asshole too.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:04:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ^`'~*-._.*~^`'~*-._.*~^`'~*-._.*
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960402175957.132821F-100000@homer04.u.washington.edu>
> From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
> Subject: The natives are restless
>
> Bafu, Bafu, Bafu, where do I start?
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> I can't believe you had so much to say.
My long-windedness surprised you?!
> Of course not, but obviously you don't want to be a very well-rounded
> person.
"Damn right!!"
--The Grim Reaper (Bill & Ted II)
> And don't get the impression that I'm a rich bitch just because I'm a
> college student.
What makes you think college has anything to do with it? :) (Yeah, yeah,
stop making fun of Debbie!! Stop it!! Stop it!!)
> Dignified White Trash, I like to call myself. You people don't know how
> I grew up. You don't know my bank account balance. Did you ever hear
> of student loans, grants, and work study? They help the lower middle
> class like me get a fucking education. Comprenden?
Good thing marshmallows taste okay without being roasted, eh Skooc? 'Cause
we ain't got no fuel for dis' here fire... ;)
---- > From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> > Subject: Being a Musician > > Bafu said that when he creates he hopes to "forget" any learning and > just be. I say no. The ideal is to have the technique down so well > that you don't need to think about it.Interesting logic...
Dude #1: "I can play lacrosse better than I can play baseball." Dude #2: "I say no." Dude #1: "Yeah, I guess you're right."
> You _transcend_ (not forget) about technique when you are a good player. > And a last word. No one who has _ever_ studued music has _ever_ said > that it hurt their ability to be a musician. At least, as far as I > know.
Al DiMeola once said in an interview, regarding the modes, to learn them for the dexterity and to capture the different sound of each one within a scale, and then forget them. He meant the same thing that you and I have said here, we're just not speaking in the same tongue.
(I'm speaking in a COW'S tongue)
It's also one's choice how much you let your training get in your way and how much you allow it to help you so you can eventually "let go" ("forget," "transcend," "moo," whatever), which is (or should be) the goal of any artist. I'd ask for some black belts to jump in, but that might not get us anywhere since the connection is somewhat obscure.
---- > From: Dennis <dcrall@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1393 > > I'm sorry if this goes out on the list, but if anyone can tell me how > to unsubscribe from this list i'd be eternally greatful. I've never heard > Dream Theater, but I agree that Oasis is worse than death.
So does he mean the bands, Oasis and Death? Or does he mean that listening to Oasis is actually worse than death?
---- > From: mojoman@pointblank.com > Subject: Producers, I&W, and Firehouse... > > MojoMan has spoken.
"MojoMan has spoken." "Gandalf speaks." "That is all." What are you guys, Cobra Commander wanna-be's? :)
---- > From: Elliott Kim <ekim01@fiu.edu> > Subject: Re: What is a musician?
[removed] Well said.
> One last thing. When I was a little kid, when multi-syllabic words were > still a problem, I used to get the words "musician" and "magician" mixed > up. Now I'm thinking, "gee, maybe I wasn't confused."
What about "Egyptian Magician?" Or do you mean you're having difficulties learning that crazy Paganini stuff? Or what? :)
---- > From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: chompers > > There is only one reason why I don't like using this incredibly complex > technique... actually there's two: 1) the pick get's all mucky w/ saliva > and ends up slipping from my hand.
The Bafu Vai quick-pick-switch method:
Put the pick-point in your mouth, not the longer, flatter edge, and don't eat the pick in a frenzy because, as stated, you might swallow it. Hold the point between yer lips, but push down with yer teeth, ie don't just put your lips "on" the pick, reinforce the bite with your teeth under/over your lips. That way ya get a grip, but don't run the risk of biting THROUGH the pick (one of the less-common live-performers' nightmares) and your tongue doesn't contact the plastic (or aluminum, or wood, or cowhide whatever).
Of course, if your hands are sweaty it doesn't matter how much saliva you spew, it's gonna be slippery and I'm going to stop now before Chris Merlo twists this whole thing into an oral-sex analysis.
> 2) I always end up taking the pick at a weird angle, and goof a round > awhile until I finally accomodate right between my fingers...
I will admit that pick-juggling is a tricky issue. I tap mostly with my middle finger so I never have to worry about it anymore, but I used to practice that technique of switching off between fingers, so I wouldn't drop the pick when I went to tap with my index and suddenly had to flip the pick between my middle and ring fingers. Now I don't change my grip at all, I just tap with my free middle finger. So removing a guitar-pick from my mouth nowadays is child's play since there isn't any juggling involved.
(ever notice how Petrucci very smoothly shifts his grip whenever he goes into a speed-picking riff, then switches back for normal play? this technique has a purpose.)
Like I said, if you put the point of the pick between your lips, not the longer edge, you can just grab the protruding longer edge with your index and thumb and continue playing where you left off. More Help: don't do anything to your grip when you transfer the pick from the strings to your mouth. Pretend you're sweep-picking your face and just chomp down on dat Fender-medium.
(restrain yourself, D-Man)
---- > From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) > Subject: All about Bafu and the almighty bass solo from hell > > Bafu, Bafu, Bafu...
Is there a reason everyone says my name three times? It doesn't open any magical portals to other dimensions or anything...
> you got it all wrong...
Yes, I know. But by admitting I'm all wrong and asking questions, I'm also all human.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 22:07:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the battle continues ..... Message-ID: <199604030307.WAA15380@wicked.stigmata.org>
who will win
bafu? or d-man?
the battle of the end of jam posts will go on until we have a decisive victor
:)
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 19:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Dark Tower <voice@wolfenet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Ben Laussade Message-ID: <199604030308.TAA18985@wolfe.net>
Ben, my man,
The problem with posts that fragment other posts is that they usually draw not at all on the context. Or else, you did not take my meaning. I recognize full well what falsetto is. One's head voice is distinctly different from falsetto. The term "head voice" is not a euphemism for falsetto, but a poor description of properly placing the tone in the masque of the face (part of the head), perhaps that is where the term derives its origin.
The "thinness" I described is one way I refer to falsetto, such as when James sings Dream in LSoaD. He also uses it on AD. It's effective sometimes, but not in my opinion much of a substitute for "full voice" - another somewhat inappropriate term. My intent in the post was simply to clarify that James does use falsetto, however infrequently, and that it would not vastly improve James' vocal range to use it constantly as a means to sing the high notes - to speak nothing of the quality of the tone.
I think maybe you simply didn't understand the terminology. I believe we recognize the same thing in James' voice, perhaps we just said it differently.
Peter
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Date: 02 Apr 96 22:15:05 EST From: Neil.D.Evans@Dartmouth.EDU (Neil D. Evans) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Superior Message-ID: <27180246@dancer.Dartmouth.EDU>
I keep hearing about Superior being compared to DT in style. Can someone give me the low-down on this group, and on how to order their cd(s). Please email me personally. Thanks.
Neil.
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:17:40 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey David Olson <sinista@netexpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1400 Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960402210809.30532A-100000@shamu>
To Mr. Hartman on the note of the price of Bahr's CD's
There is one simple answer to your question..
Hidden costs, those ad's in the back of magazine's print prices to get you to call and hopefully buy THIER product. For the price they quote what you would get would look like the Majesty Demo CD, I guarentee you wont find a better price, for what Mr Bahr has to go through to get the CD's in our greedy little hands.
This is not ment to be a flame I promise, But being in a band and shopping for CD prices for what most "professional" CD's look like would cost WELL ovewr $25,000 for 1000 if you had to do everything yourself including shipping the DAT to have the CD pressed overseas.. OUCH! I dont even wanna know that that costs!
I hope this helped and Im sure Mike will go into more detail
Sinista
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 96 19:30:53 PST From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Iowa Moocow Message-ID: <9604030330.AA25148@tengs1>
> > > I live about 30 min's from the nearest farm here in Iowa, I think I'll > > take a boom box along with a mix tape of some DT, and play it for the > > local bovine, to see what the reaction will be. > > > > Wagers anyone? > >. > >Will I: > > > > a) get no response at all? > > b) witness a miracle at the heard headbang to the rippin classical solo > > in Erotomania? > > c) Have the Head-Cow explain what music is? > > d) Have the Head-Cow show me how to spell my name using the circle of fiths? > > e) Nothing until I get home and see that I have a Digital Post Card from > > above said, Head-Cow? > > or g) Get flammed for forgetting the letter "f"? > > Definitely (c) > > Brett
Ooo, Debbie, that had to hurt !>|>
Zach
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:35:53 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Bahr's CDs... Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960402212254.27247A-100000@indy15.gclab.missouri.edu>
Someone said: >How come [Bahr's] CD's [sic] cost us $25? If you look in the back of >any ... recording-type magazine, you can find companies that will >transfer your DAT tape to CD's, ... for you for anywhere from >$1,000-$5,000 for 1,000 CD's. That sure is alot better than the $25,000 >that us Jammers are supposed to pay for 1,000 CD's. ... I ... [don't] >see why the price is so high. > >Mike, is there some reason that you don't want to use one of these >companies? Am I missing something here?
I can't answer for Mike (...but I'm going to anyway). What Mike is doing is makeing CDs of (USA) copyrighted material, and selling them comercially. I'm sure many (if not all) of the CD manufactuers in those magazines reside in the US, where what Mike is doing would concidered very illegal. Most of the cost comes from studio mixing/balancing, packaging, manufacturing, and individually shipping @1000 CDs overseas. If mike went to those companies, the CD would be cheaper, but they would also be illegal and Mike would be behind Bahrs. :) Of course this is all from Mikes posts, what I have read, and what I understand about US copyright laws. I'm not claiming to know Mike or the specifics of his process, but from what I understand, he makes less than minimum wage on the projects, and he does it as a labour (theatre?) of love. I don't have a masters degree in law (we all know what happened to the last guy), and I could (in fact, I probably *am*) wrong about some of this info. Anyone who can correct me or embelish is welcome to. Hope this helps.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:39:42 -0700 From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sorry Message-ID: <199604030439.VAA17653@henge.com>
I have been out of it for a while. I'm sorry, but someone e-mailed me about JP colums, and the message gor erased. E-mail me again and I'll be happy to get the columns to whoever it is through snail mail.
Vinnie Paul, and Terry Date. The ultimate producer combination. Also, Terry didn't do all that bad on WDADU. In fact it is probably one of my favorite albums (which is a list of some very elite albums).
Has anyone heard of black metal from Norway. I read a great article on it, and frankly, it scared me. The bassist is in jail for murdering the guitarist, and a whole bunch of other crap. Norweigen jammers, please tell me if the music is any good.
Later, Cory
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:42:49 -0700 From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sorry Message-ID: <199604030442.VAA17695@henge.com>
I have been out of it for a while. I'm sorry, but someone e-mailed me about JP colums, and the message gor erased. E-mail me again and I'll be happy to get the columns to whoever it is through snail mail.
Vinnie Paul, and Terry Date. The ultimate producer combination. Also, Terry didn't do all that bad on WDADU. In fact it is probably one of my favorite albums (which is a list of some very elite albums).
Has anyone heard of black metal from Norway. I read a great article on it, and frankly, it scared me. The bassist is in jail for murdering the guitarist, and a whole bunch of other crap. Norweigen jammers, please tell me if the music is any good.
Later, Cory
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 96 23:02:14 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Producer possibilities..... Message-ID: <9604030402.AA07279@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
I don't really want to start a fight, but we are overlooking something. DT is more than drums. Don't get me wrong, I love Mike and all, but there are four others in the band here. There's a bass, guitar, singer and for God's sakes, keyboards, too. We have to make sure that all five pieces of DT sound their best, and are well-represented in the mix. That's the most important thing. I've been hearing most people freak over the drums. Granted, some hate the triggers, other hate the ACOS snare, most agree that WDADU bit dick, and most agree that AWAKE was awesome. Some say that the bass was lost on Awake. Let's get a well-produced album on all instruments, not just the drums. I hope the producer of the next DT release cares about all five members of DT enough to make everything sound as best as it could, well-balanced, and technically perfect, and yet display the right emotion through the music without being overproduced. I hope Peter Collins is doing it, but if he isn't, I just hope the producer is competent enough to do a good job on such a complex sound as Dream Theater's.
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 04:12:08 GMT From: rquezada@shell.monmouth.com (Robert Quezada) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Birch Hill bootleg? Message-ID: <3161fa04.794342@shell.monmouth.com>
Can anyone out there make a copy of the Birch Hill concert from last X-Mas? I am looking to get an audio cassette copy.
Please e-mail if you can help...
Thanks. rq
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:18:50 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sacth on Rockline Message-ID: <199604030418.UAA09270@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
For those of you that are interested, Joe Satriani will be on rockline on Monday night (April 8).
Scott Cook
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 23:16:13 -0500 (EST) From: blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: oh, just a bunch of neat-0 tidbits. Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960402230612.8706A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Hello, all. A few things to occupy your Ytsejam space, so..um...deal. :)
1: The Digital Man: I'll say this one more time If You would like the Echolyn/Ozric stuff, e-mail me.
blah.
(where's no 2???) oh hold on. it'll be later on. keep your ytse-pants on.
I recieved Kevin Moore's Chroma Key in the mail the other day. It's pretty rad. well, most of it is. What's up with that Watercolor song? Anyway, for the most part, it's piano (and lots of it!) and zonder, with kevin's vocals. his vocals aren't THAT bad - i've heard worse. Wait. I did. On his demo. ;)
2: I assume all of you have heard that Phil Collins (you know, the pop bastard) has left Genesis. To quote Mike Patton, "SING AND REJOICE". Maybe now Tony can show the 90's generation what real music is.
(what? Dream Theather isn't REAL music? You suck, Mike!)
blah.
Ok. As you may or may not know, one of my favorite bands is Faith No More. If you have to ask why, then this part of the message is not for you. I was thinking about making a best of fnm tape, and i didn't know if anyone wanted a copy. If you do, lemme know.
Dream Theater content:
So, the other day I walk in to "THE WALL" at a local mall (I'm sure most of you have heard of Franklin Mills here in Philadelhia). Anyway, i'm walkin' with my ever so phat Ytsejam hat, and while i'm in there, some guy who works there comes to me and says, "you know, you're the first philadelphian i've seen who likes them." needless to say, he was a happy camper that i like dream theater. we spoke for a while (of course, the bastard had no clue that we at the ytsejam existed - boy, did i set him straight!), and now he wants m00sic from me. so, with that in mind, i have a question. does anyone have the full "import" (oh hell, it's a bootleg) of the ronnie scotts' show?
you know, it's getting harder and hard to find bootlegs around here, let alone Dream Theater stuff. It's depressing to go to a music store, and go "have that. have that. have that." you know you're a dream theater fan when you look in the d section just to see what kinda stuff they have. pretty wacky.
ok!@ i've said just about enough for one sitting. oh. damn. i forgot.
"BAFU"
there. be happy.
"Middle Of Ytsejam #2112"
<one can hope, can't he?> ;)
so, until then...um...bye.
_________________________________ mike b. ostrich musical consultant ytsejam@op.net syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu "special thanks to no one in particular" - lerxst.
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