YTSEJAM Digest 1400
Today's Topics:
1) no| not again
by fitipmol@ibmmail.com
2) Re: Mr. Vai's autograph (no, not you, Bafu!)
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
3) Re: I love this thread (No DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
4) Musician Defined. (?)
by andrew miller <MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu>
5) Re: your mail (No DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
6) ATTN: Damon
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) Re: info on Vauxdvihl
by Paul Holloway <pjhollow@novice.uwaterloo.ca>
8) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 00:47:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
9) Re: uitar
by Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net>
10) Peter Collins + DT-- Please Read
by dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1399
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
12) what is a musician?
by bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew)
13) McDonalds
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
14) Doppelgangers
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
15) Why are Mike Bahr's CD's so expensive?
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
16) Welcome, one and all, to the 1400s :)
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 18:24:49 EST
From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: no| not again
Message-ID: <199604022325.PAA14891@mindcrime.ax.com>
--- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 03-04-96 02.26
-> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX
..sorry to clutter the 'jam with this but,
Patricia McLoughlin, please e-mail me!
_Mape_
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 15:26:05 -0800
From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Vai's autograph (no, not you, Bafu!)
Message-ID: <199604022326.PAA22091@ix2.ix.netcom.com>
>Hey. i want to sell my acoustic guitar and i cant figure out a price..
>its an Ibanez Pf-3 ,i bought it back in oct. 95,its like new..
>the thing is that it is autographed by Steve Vai,he did it when back
in
>oct when he came to Puerto Rico for an Ibanez Clinic..so ok..i bought
>the guitar alone for 230$.and i dont know for how much i should sell
it
>now..with the autograph and all..if anyone has sugestions..well :)
>
> Kurt
>
Yo, Kurt, IMHO you should sell that guitar, to me, for about $10.
Sound fair? OK, where do I send the check?
Seriously, I think Steve Vai's autograph would add quite a bit of
value. I'm not up on Ibanez acoustics, bit if the guitar is good to
begin with, I guess I'd ask around $400 or so to start. Just a guess,
really, I don't know what autographs go for these days!
I have a custom-made modified-Mockingbird-style electric that I got
Tony McAlpine to sign at a clinic in Denver. That was cool, but if
Petrucci came to town, I'd erase it in a minute to make room for JP's
autograph. (DTC)
Good luck,
Larry
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:34:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I love this thread (No DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604021844.A22734-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Marc Respass wrote:
> > Learning new instruments doesn't detract from your
> > abilities, it enhances them. I try to incorporate phrasing
> > horn players would use when I play the guitar. Music is
> > holistic (IMO), the more areas you cover, the more tools
> > you have to use.
>
> Do you _play_ a horn or do you just listen to horn players and
> incorporate their style and phrasing on your primary instrument? There is
> a huge difference. I never said to only listen to players of your primary
> instrument. Transcribing sax solos and playing them on guitar will
> greatly help your guitar playing and learning that style. Learning to
> play the sax in addition to the guitar will not help your guitar playing.
I've been playing the saxophone for 11 years. I took private lessons for
8 years. I studied jazz improvisation for a little while, and I tried to
incorporate rock guitar-type solo techniques in my repertoire. I also
tried to incorporate jazz musicians fluidity and phrasing in my guitar
playing. For those who don't play a horn instrument, you can still learn
ideas from them. Alex Skolnick once said in an article to listen to horn
players for different stylistic embellishments. While I disagree that
learning to play the sax in addition to the guitar can help your guitar
playing, it will help in being a musician.
> > Finally, stop "picking on" Debbie. She provided her
> > _opinion_, not fact, so take it for what you will.
>
> Absolutely. We should not attack Deb directly. Just respond to what she
> wrote. It's a good thread :).
>
> --Marc R
A good thread for the "social blanket".
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi
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G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu
"Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me."
-Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell"
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Date: Tue Apr 2 17:32:06 1996
From: andrew miller <MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Musician Defined. (?)
Message-ID: <9604022332.AA08118@chop.isca.uiowa.edu>
i wholeheartedly, completely and utterly disagree with anyone and everyone who
claims that the ability to read music is needed in order to be considered a
musician. i also disagree with the notion that having a college degree makes
someone more of a musician than someone else. i don't have a college degree,
but i'm a kick ass keyboardist! :) :)
i'm 22 years old, and started playing piano at the age of 3. yup, i'm
serious. my folks started me young. i took piano lessons until the age of
17. after that, i kinda went off and did my own thing musically. i can't
really sight read music all that good anymore. i don't need to. i write my
own music. i create. i don't mean to offend anyone with the following
statement, but ANY IDIOT CAN LEARN TO READ SHEET MUSIC! believe me, i did!
the ability to read music and play an instrument is simply a learned skill.
you can't teach someone to improvise. you can't teach someone to create.
i think we need to remember that music is art, and art is subjective.
everyone's opinons on things differ, but please do not insult my intelligence
by saying that i am not a true musician because i don't have a college degree,
i don't sightread (that well), and i don't have a good working knowledge of
the history of western music. i guarantee that i can outplay many people with
college degrees, and that many people with college degrees can outplay me.
the point being is that the degree doesn't make them good. it helps, but it
doesn't make them a musician either. especially a 'true musician'.
believe what you want, but i know the truth. :)> he he.
--- Andrew Miller------------------------------------SubtleRage "these visions keep clouding my perceptions of time as the day fast forwards into another episode of darkness" MillerA@chop.isca.uiowa.edu-----------------MillerA@act.org
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:38:29 -0500 (EST) From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: your mail (No DTC) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604021800.A22734-0100000@bgnet1.bgsu.edu>
> >>>Hey I just saw Elizabeth Berkely on 'Step by Step'... was she the chic > >>>that used to be in 'Saved By the Bell' wow how ironic... from > >>>high-school brat to lap-dancer... > >> > >>Maybe in PANAMA, but we call it Showgirls in ARKVILLE! > > > >I'm talking way b4 Showgirls... You remember don't you, Saved by the > >Bell? that really stupid TV programs which, as most of its type, make a > >totally inaccurate representation of high school... she was the one w/ > >the long red curly hair... > > He wasn't talking about Saved By the Bell, he was talking about > Showgirls. Elizabeth Berkely was a lap dancer in *Showgirls*, not "Step > by Step."
This is an open letter to all 'Jammers: please cease and desist with discussion on the works of Elizabeth Berkeley. She's not a prog artist, she's not a CD or t-shirt vendor, and she doesn't send "get rich" or subscription messages. Thank you.
Sincerely,
G. Jack Thetgyi -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- G. Jack Thetgyi thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu "Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me." -Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 17:40:41 -0600 (CST) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ATTN: Damon Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960402173952.26857A-100000@indy15.gclab.missouri.edu>
For Damon (who obviously can't see it) and to anyone who hasn't, here's the card info. I'm quite sure that it's a fake, esp. concidering it was delivered on April Fool's Day. The card was a scan of the burning heart off I&W. I think this is an amazing coincidence that this image was chosen (an is more than likely being used illegaly) by this card place, either that, or it was submitted by whoever sent us the card. Anyway, this is what it said:
Hey Ytsejammers!
Thanks for all the great reading material... you guys are nuts! Especially Bafu and Ben...
Keep on Jammin' MP
There ya go. I just wish it was really from Mike.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Holloway <pjhollow@novice.uwaterloo.ca> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: info on Vauxdvihl Message-ID: <Pine.3.87.9604021845.A17926-0100000@novice.uwaterloo.ca>
> Can any of you Jammers out there give me some information about the following > bands: > > Symphony X > Vauxdvihl > > I've read some stuff that says the usual 'progressive/Quennsryche/Dream Theater/ > etc', but can any of you really recommend them? I would also be grateful for > information about the album 'In Abstentia Christi' by Monumentum: how about it, > you Italian Jammers and doom fans?
I got a tape of Vauxdvihl's 'To Dimension Logic' from a friend in North Carolina (thanx Adam!), and I'd highly recommend it. They don't exactly 'shred' quite like our boys in DT, and the vocals are pretty low key, but it's still pretty amazing stuff. I think it's a concept album, but without a lyrics sheet I can't really tell. It's _really_ dark, reasonably heavy (no happy sections), with voices and interludes all over the place. It reminds me somewhat of Operation: Mindcrime, maybe because of the mood it creates, rather than the music.
. .. . . .. . . . ... ..[pjhollow@novice.uwaterloo.ca] . . .. . . . ... .. . : and here we are again the my perfect life may Paul Holloway yyz : | doors close behind us and deceive me tonight U of Waterloo | | the road goes on and on realize overcast skies Mech. Eng | : jm/fates warning bp/northern pikes Ont. Canada AFiL : . ... . ... . ..... ... . . ... ..... . ... . ..... ... . . ... . ... . ... .
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 18:46:14 EST From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 00:47:32" <response@ibmmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <199604022346.PAA15688@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 23:46:07 GMT on 02 Apr 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that is acceptable to the recipient, FITIPMOL at IBMMAIL. Information beyond column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped.
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Date: Tue, 02 Apr 1996 19:54:19 -0400 From: Daniel McCormack <emc@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: uitar Message-ID: <3161BE2B.29AD@caribe.net>
kurt@fgallery.com wrote: > > Hey. i want to sell my acoustic guitar and i cant figure out a price.. > its an Ibanez Pf-3 ,i bought it back in oct. 95,its like new.. > the thing is that it is autographed by Steve Vai,he did it when back in > oct when he came to Puerto Rico for an Ibanez Clinic..so ok..i bought > the guitar alone for 230$.and i dont know for how much i should sell it > now..with the autograph and all..if anyone has sugestions..well :) > > Kurt
Hey, I was at that clinic in Villa Piano. I was 3 feet away from Steve!! I came unprepared tho, and all I got was his autograph on some notebook paper... :( So, um, I'd say, sell the guitar for about um, $25, yeah, and I'll buy it! No, I'd say, if you must sell it (not reccommended by me) it's worth AT LEAST $350, especially if it's new. I REALLY wouldn't sell it for less than this if I were you. I'd buy it but unfortunately can't pay what it's worth.
Later, -DMC-
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:17:24 -0700 From: dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Peter Collins + DT-- Please Read Message-ID: <v02110100ad876b18a9ac@[144.92.180.130]>
Alright jammers, is it just me or did all of you whose two faves are DT and Rush (I'm sure there are quite a few of us on this list) kind of get this unbelievable feeling inside when it was posted that Peter Collins is producing the next DT album. Well, don't think of me as being too bizarre or anything, but that simply got to me like nothing has in awhile. I just sat back and thought, "this REALLY, REALLY solidifies the chances of them touring together next time around." How could it not get to you? Despite all the people who say they wouldn't really enjoy seeing DT in a rather large venue, maybe give it a second thought: two bands, one in many respects the product of the other, who provide the purest form of raw power, excitement, energy...filling up the same venue, playing live back to back.... I don't know, I could go on and on. All of you Rush fans know what I'm saying. When you watch the Exit...Stage Left Video and right at the beginning during the clip of the crew preparing things for the show, the lights, the vibrant crowd, of course all set to "The Camera Eye," aren't you moved by that? The Camera Eye really does it for me. Probably my favorite song. Whenever I hear it, I'm always drawn immediately to the synths, and the combination of that along with thoughts of a large arena, sprawling cities, bright lights, the focus, the concentration, (basic themes of the song) simply makes the moment blissful. This is why I love arenas so much: the openness, all that's around you, the fans, the power.... Sorry for all this self-indulgence, but I'm trying to prove a point. DT and Rush in the same setting would be something which would be an eternal/ethereal experience for you, whether a fan of 200 or 20,000 seats. When I saw Rush in '94 on Counterparts, in one of the shows I was at (the meadowlands) my friend and I had seats up fairly high. We got to our seats a bit early, and the place was virtually unihabited. The combination of the openness of the arena, the sheer space involved, you know the rest, was magical. I suppose being on acid at the time enhanced my sense of awareness, however even being up that high, the concert was one of the most amazing shows I've ever seen, for all of the above reasons. I'm not telling everyone here to go and do acid and sit up real high in an arena, cause you'll enjoy it, but I'm sure that reading this message gives you a certain sense of what CAN be experienced at a large venue: Just as much as a place like El N Gee (one of the places where DT played over the holidays), only it's in a different context; just as enjoyable though.
So everyone who wants to see a DT/Rush tour actually happen, please heed Mr. Bahr's advice and write to SRO in Toronto (mail me if you don't have the address and I'll email it back to you, or I'm sure Mike Bahr will do likewise).
Thanks for reading this. I hope I'm not the only one who feels this way...
Dave Plotkin
"Dreams transport desires, drive you when you're down Dreams transport the ones who need to get out of town."
-- Middletown Dreams
"Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha
Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha
!?#@*&$%!..."
-- Sound Chaser "For the first time In a long time... ..It's about music"
-- JP
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 16:09:58 -0800 From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1399 Message-ID: <199604030009.QAA02357@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
>>Jesus christ, the education system down in the US must be really bad.
1. I Don't think Jesus is on the jam, at least I haven't seen him post.
2. Please don't start the U.S. sucks stuff. Each country has it's good and bad points, and all this can lead to is resentment.
Scott Cook
"Where's the love, man!" - Johnny
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 20:00:21 -0600 From: bishop@cts1.internetwis.com (Mathew) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: what is a musician? Message-ID: <199604030200.UAA22395@ppp2.internetwis.com>
hey everyone! IMHO, a musician is someone with a deep love and appreciation of music. what sounds good to one person, may sound horrible to the next. even though it sounds horrible, chances are its *still* music. also, a good ear in not needed(but helpful). i happen to recall a famous composer who was completely deaf, and thats just one of the many examples that come to mind. :)
mathew
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:04:15 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu> To: BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: McDonalds Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960402210248.14792A-100000@labdien.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! This question is directed towards the Japanese ytsejammers....is there such a thing as the Dream Theater Happy Meal in McDonalds in Japan? Someone told me that and I wasn't too sure if it's true. Let me know!
Yours, Jeff =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> Columbia University <*> <*> (212) 853-6952 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*> <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/dreamt.html <*>
"If the song I sing to you could fill your heart with joy, I'd sing forever" - John Stamos and the Beach Boys, "Forever"
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 18:09:06 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Doppelgangers Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960402180431.132821G-100000@homer04.u.washington.edu>
> From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu> > Subject: Megatron Misc. Miasma > > > Subject: Various vicariances... > > Huh? Imitation is the most sincere form of flattery.
Really?
Bafu Vai
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:13:51 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Why are Mike Bahr's CD's so expensive? Message-ID: <199604030213.VAA05954@rpc08.gl.umbc.edu>
1st let me say that this is not ment to be a slam against Mike Bahr, its just something I've been pondering for a while and thought I'd bring it up.
How come your CD's cost us $25? If you look in the back of any music or especially recording-type magazine, you can find companies that will transfer your DAT tape to CD's, silk screen (?) the CD's and print up the full color covers and liner notes for you for anywhere from $1,000-$5,000 for 1,000 CD's. That sure is alot better than the $25,000 that us Jammers are supposed to pay for 1,000 CD's. Of course, I realize that some goes toward packaging and shipping and a little bit to Mike's pockets but I don't see why the price is so high.
Mike, is there some reason that you don't want to use one of these companies? Am I missing something here?
Maybe Mike just wasn't aware of this or something, I just would hate to think that anyone is getting rich off of the jammers. ($15,000 - $20,000 profit from each album?!?!)
One more thing.... I just heard ACOS on the radio the other day!!! I was listen to the Greaseman show on WJFK (Baltimore-DC area) and it was the very end of the show. Grease says "and as we used to say back in oooOOOOoold Mexico City... AMF!" and then I hear ACOS!!! It started right where the heavy part comes in after the acoustic intro. It played for a good 3-4 minutes and right before the vocals came in, it looped back to the initial heavy part again. So I guess it was on for about 5-6 minutes until Furell (the insane sports guy) came on. Pretty cool even though the station is in AM mono. Ugh!
-- ************************************************************************** * Jason Hartman "I am the Killing Hand!" lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu * * * * You're fighting the weight of the world, * * and no one can save you this time. * * Close your eyes - you can find all you need in your mind. * * * * "Take the Time" - Dream Theater * **************************************************************************
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Date: Tue, 2 Apr 1996 21:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Welcome, one and all, to the 1400s :) Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604022101.A327-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
"Check this one out, it kicks serious butt." -JL
> From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net> > Subject: Re: The natives are restless > > That's a wierd statement. Why? You, obviously, are not a performer. Being > mediocre on a number of instruments doesn't get you far.
Okay, okay. Mark, Debbie, and a lot of other people have had some very intelligent input in this very interesting thread. Let's not make it a flame-fest.
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> From: btomko@home.glasscity.net > Subject: Threads > > Here's a question: if Metropolis is part one, what is part two? If > there isn't one, does anyone know if more parts will be on upcoming > releases. I love musical trilogies. Rush did a bunch of them. Does anyone > know how many trilogies they did and what songs they include?
Nonono, it's Metropolis Part I, as in there are many parts to Metropolis, not that Metropolis is the first part of something else. To be precise, Part I of Metropolis is entitled "The Miracle and the Sleeper, or: Bafu and the Dancing Turtle." As for if/when part II is coming out: the jury of rumormongers is still out.
> A friend of mine was telling me about some legal trouble Ibanez got > into for building 7-string guitars. Who else was building tham, and how > many models of them did Ibanez sell?
Didn't Hamer make a 7-string with a high A instead of a low B?
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> From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero ) > To: Ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGH! > Message-ID: <199604022131.NAA25067@ix10.ix.netcom.com> > > i'm drowning in jams lately! i thought the floods had kinda calmed, we > were down to one or two a day at one time werent we? oh well, gives me > somethin to do...
It feels kinda like we're Syracuse and the Jam is UK, and we can get within two points just to have that tie-breaking bucket become seven points away within a matter of seconds...
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> From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Graham 'N Oates > > The new cereal for the Ytsejammer in all of us.
heh heh. Good catch.
> You and your competitions. *sigh* Do you also agree with Deb that total > knowledge is the only gateway to accomplishing anything?
"So, I caddied for the Dalai Lama once... and he stiffed me. So I said, 'Hey, Lama. How 'bout a little something, you know, for the effort?' And he said that when I die, on my deathbed, I will achieve total consciousness. So, I got that goin' for me."
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> From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> > Subject: Quote me
OK. Never let it be said that I'm self-indulgent. I *do* take requests from time to time. :)
> Call me wacky, but knowing the names for what your doing does not improve > your functional knowledge of music. I could memorize every word in the > dictionary, and it still wouldn't make me speak any better.
It would if you used the knowledge that you acquired. Knowledge is useless if it is not applied.
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