YTSEJAM Digest 1404
Today's Topics:
1) Queries etc.
by fitipmol@ibmmail.com
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/03/96 - 12:55:32" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Producers n'stuff
by nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
4) threads
by fitipmol@ibmmail.com
5) Re: CD Prices
by Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
6) 7-string guitars (DTC)
by Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
7) yngwie on DT
by ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
8) The Greaseman
by Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1403
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
10) Galactic Cowboys first CD - CHEAP!
by skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1400
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1402
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
13) Left handedness (NDTC)
by Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1402
by Neil Elliott <101352.3261@compuserve.com>
15) I got a question...
by "Jonathan J.S. Tischio" <tischio@caip.rutgers.edu>
16) Re: Superior
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
17) Re: Bafu's ?''?*-._.*??''?*-._.*??''?*-._.* Post
by brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 06:51:03 EST
From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queries etc.
Message-ID: <199604031151.DAA03391@mindcrime.ax.com>
--- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 03-04-96 14.52
-> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX
I got a few questions:
Tell me some Kevin Moore dubbing site. I got two from Mike
Bahr, but Pat McLoughlin no longer has email add and the other
one hasn't responded. Would someone please help me to get
the "Music meant...." demo. A mile high thanx.
Would the person who posted about Angra's CD "The Holy Land"
please contact me.
Hi Bafu, here's to you.
Rob severe zit ill (discrimination?)
zorille rib vest E (gross!)
I-TV bores Liz Leer. (anyone can relate to that...)
...sorry, couldn't resist it. I know they suck, but my mother
tongue isn't English. These are courtesy to no generator. :P
Mape (Marko Ollila really, but I can come out with nothing
but O amoral kill...:)
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 06:54:13 EST
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 96 14:35:49 +0200
From: nga@software-ag.de (Neil Gallop)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: nga@server3.software-ag.de
Subject: Producers n'stuff
Message-ID: <9604031235.AA00293@sundoc13.software-ag.de>
Hi all
all of this stuff about who is going to produce the next album and the junk
about the snare sound/Prater is beginning to induce severe torsion of the
testis. If the band is unhappy with the sound that a producer is trying to
impose on them against their will, they can always fire him/her/it and either
start over again or produce the stuff themselves. I'm sure that Mike Portnoy
let Prater make the snares sound the way they did, and that he didn't let him-
self get pushed around. Apart from which, the ulimate test of a band, i.e. can
they pull the stuff off live, depends on their road crew and sound engineer and
not so much on their producer. To sum up, in my opinion, it is the band's
decision that is (should be) final, although the possibly more objective view
of a good and experienced producer could sometimes be useful.
On to other things. All of these references to obscure American sit-coms and
films and series that nobody else in the world knows (or cares) about prompt me
to the following (pay attention UK jammers, this concerns you): nice to see that
Nick Park/Wallace and Gromit got their 3rd Oscar for their 3rd film - one of the
few things that an exile Brit can be proud of (other than Damon Hill and BSE of
course). Talking of Damon Hill, nice to see him give Michael Schumacher a good
reaming at the Brazilian Grand Prix on Sunday.
What makes a musician? His/her/its parents usually. Spare a thought for the guy
who plays the triangle in an orchestra. This whole discussion is not just
Europe-oriented (as somebody claimed) but very western-oriented. There must be
thousands of musicians in so-called 'primitive societies' who know bugger all
about music theory, who have never been to college, who can't even read their
names let alone music, but who are excellent on their respective instruments and
who play music that is intended as it is meant to be - a medium for transporting
feelings, cultural identity, folklore, knowledge - not just a means of making
money and (sometimes) being a subject for intellectual masturbation.
Superior: go and get this album from wherever you can (even though I don't like
the lyrics much). Music this good needs to be encouraged. I don't understand
why a band this good (just as good as Vanden Plas in my ear) doesn't have a
recording deal.
Which Dream Theater song do cows listen to? Pull My Udder.
I'm still looking for info on the bands Symphony X and Monumentum.
stay safe and happy listening
Neil Gallop
(nga@software-ag.de)
Currently playing: Wishbone Ash - Argus (excellent double-guitar sound. Anybody
else remember them?)
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Date: Wed, 03 Apr 1996 08:00:53 EST
From: fitipmol@ibmmail.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: threads
Message-ID: <199604031301.FAA04670@mindcrime.ax.com>
--- Saapunut 03.MAPE 90-4694432 03-04-96 16.01
-> IBMMAIL.INTERNET IBM IMX
Hi everyone.
I'll give you one perspective about the price of Mike Bahr's CDs.
I don't think they're at all expensive. I live in Finland and
here a regular new CD costs 119 - 129 FiM. Now, one U.S. dollar
is 4.6 Finnish marks, so that makes the price of M.Bahr boot to
be 115 FiM. Thus, I have no complaints about the price since
every MBahr product is a rarity collectible. I am fully aware
that regular CDs cost far less in the US than over here and all
I have to say about that is "I envy you, you lucky buggers!" :)
About the "playing several instruments" thread I must tell that
I play several instruments too: I play two 22" kickdrums,
several toms of various sizes, a 14" snare, various cymbals
etc. So does that qualify me as a musician? I didn't think so
either. In Finland there's an old saying "The drummer is the
musicians best friend." No flames please, this is self-sarcasm.
I'm pretty sure my cause of death will be irregular beat. At
least that is pretty common amongst drummers.
Mape
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Date: 03 Apr 96 15:44:48 EST
From: Dave Fernquist <103362.445@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: CD Prices
Message-ID: <960403204447_103362.445_JHL81-1@CompuServe.COM>
Your wrote:
> From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Why are Mike Bahr's CD's so expensive?
> How come your CD's cost us $25? If you look in the back of any music
> or especially recording-type magazine, you can find companies that will
> transfer your DAT tape to CD's, silk screen (?) the CD's and print up the
> full color covers and liner notes for you for anywhere from $1,000-$5,000
> for 1,000 CD's. That sure is alot better than the $25,000 that us Jammers
> are supposed to pay for 1,000 CD's. Of course, I realize that some goes
> Mike, is there some reason that you don't want to use one of these companies?
> Am I missing something here?
One (last?) comment on this subject: When I was traveling through Europe and
Australia, the prices I saw for bootlegs were in the $25 to $50 range. I bought
a couple in France (for $35) without being able to listen to them, and the
quality turned out to be nowhere as good as Mike Bahr's disks. I paid $40 for
Majestic Harmonies in Sydney. Take a look in the back of some Metal magazines
and you'll see that the going rate is $25 for a single disk, and $50 for a
double disk. $25 for rare (quality) recordings like Mike is making is no way
out of line.
Carry on :-)
p.s. anybody check out the Spinal Tap CDRom yet?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Its your Wife!"
"She's not my Wife!"
"Then whatever the fuck she is!"
Nigel to David, Spinal Tap
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 16:03:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Gilbert Jack Thetgyi <thetgyi@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 7-string guitars (DTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604031557.A16763-0100000@bgnet2.bgsu.edu>
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Christopher R. Merlo wrote:
> > A friend of mine was telling me about some legal trouble Ibanez
> > got into for building 7-string guitars. Who else was building tham,
> > and how many models of them did Ibanez sell?
>
> Didn't Hamer make a 7-string with a high A instead of a low B?
If they did, I didn't know anything about it. I've been receiving the Hamer
newsletter on an annual basis, ever since I bought my first Hamer guitar
four years ago. As you probably know, they make short and long-scale 12
string basses, as used by Doug Pinnick of King's X, Jeff Ament of Pearl Jam,
and Tom Peterson of Cheap Trick. The most innovative product they've come
up with lately is the Duo-Tone guitar. It is an acoustic-electric with
Seymour Duncan pickups and a piezo bridge pickup. It has two outputs:
one for electric and one for acoustic. John Myung uses one in "The
Silent Man". It looks like a ukulele when it's right in front of his
6-string bass!
As far as Ibanez, I guess some guy patented the 7-string concept,
and it was approved. He asked Ibanez to halt production of further
7-string guitars. I don't know how many they've sold, but in addition to
DT, Korn, Steve Vai, and Rocky George of Suicidal Tendencies have given it
a lot of visibility.
George Lynch also toyed with the 7-string concept when Passion &
Warfare came out. He wanted a 7-string with a high A string, instead of
a low B string, I believe. He also wanted a "movable pickup" for
different sounds. I guess the pickup would be placed on a track in
between the neck and the bridge. He was with ESP guitars at the time,
but I don't know if anything ever materialized.
String-cerely
G. Jack Thetgyi
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"Damn kids with their loud rock music."
-Crow T. Robot, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #212: "Godzilla vs. Megalon"
"Any movie with wakka-cha-wakka in it is okay by me."
-Tom Servo, Mystery Science Theater 3000 #512: "Mitchell"
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 13:20:39 -0800
From: ripzero@ix.netcom.com (RipZero )
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: yngwie on DT
Message-ID: <199604032120.NAA06282@dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com>
>I read that too... I beliive they were the only band he actually
>liked... he said he didn't like how MP played... he said that he was
>like a Neil Peart on steroids and needed to take a valium and calm
>down. He also said that 'his choice of beats was terrible'... but
>over-all he said that DT was one of his favorite bands at the
>moment... in fact it was the only song he recognized. He even slagged
>off Satch! I think he liked Vai's tune though...
i thoguht it was really funny when he totally dogged on Jeff Beck and
then when they told him who it was he almost pissed his pants. Good
ol' Yngwie :) he also noted that he owned images and words, which was
a pretty good compliment in itself, and he said he thoguht In a few
years Petrucci will have his own style, but the song he'd just listened
to was Under A Glass Moon, one where, especially in the solo (one of my
favs btw), he does alot of different things coming from lotza players n
stuff. Theres even a part where he tap-bends and it really reminds me
of Eddie Van Halen, and the chromatics kill me.
thas 'bout it'
~Rip
>ps - bafu bafu bafu
*poof*
:)
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 21:30:22 GMT
From: Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Greaseman
Message-ID: <199604032130.VAA01733@nethead.co.uk>
>>One more thing.... I just heard ACOS on the radio the other day!!!
>>I was listen to the Greaseman show on WJFK (Baltimore-DC area) and it
>>was the very end of the show. Grease says "and as we used to say back
>>in oooOOOOoold Mexico City... AMF!" and then I hear ACOS!!! <<
The Greaseman's great! He has incredible taste in music. I'm not surprised
that he likes DT. When Rush's Grace Under Pressure came out he said
something like
"Here's Distant Early Warning.....oh what the heck, here's the whole of side
one". He definitely has a prog streak in him. That's all!
-Darren
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:06:28 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1403
Message-ID: <199604032006.PAA27483@mailserver1.tiac.net>
> Sheesh.... I think the kids -- of all ages -- have taken
> over. Would the last adult to leave the 'Jam please turn out
> the light?
I wonder what that means? Am I the only one who skips stuff he doesn't
find interesting?
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:04:30 -0800
From: skooc@ix.netcom.com (Scott Cook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Galactic Cowboys first CD - CHEAP!
Message-ID: <199604032004.MAA08199@dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Hi,
I ordered a copy of the first GC CD about two months ago from a place
here in the SF bay area. Today the store called me and said it was in,
but I got a used one earlier this week, so I don't need it anymore. If
anyone out there in Ytseland would want it, it's yours for 6.99 plus
tax (7.75%) and shipping ($3 priority mail). if interested, email me
right away so they don't send it back.
Scott Cook
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:06:30 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1400
Message-ID: <199604032006.PAA27487@mailserver1.tiac.net>
> > That's a wierd statement. Why? You, obviously, are not a
> performer. Being > mediocre on a number of instruments
> doesn't get you far.
>
> Okay, okay. Mark, Debbie, and a lot of other people have
> had some very intelligent input in this very interesting
> thread. Let's not make it a flame-fest.
Oh. Sorry about that. No flame was intended but I can see now that it
might have been interpreted that way. Sorry Deb.
--Marc R
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 15:06:24 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1402
Message-ID: <199604032006.PAA27473@mailserver1.tiac.net>
Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> said:
>So what *does* make a musician in my opinion?
>
>1. You gotta have the love... music is an art form... something
>emotional. Emotion has to be put into it to get any out.
>
>2. You gotta have the drive... Playing/performing/practicing has to
>take an important role in your life.
>
>3. One of the following should apply to you:
> a. You are proficient at your instrument.
> b. You create meaningful and emotional music.
I would just go with number 3. That's perfect. You can love music all you
want but that alone won't make you a musician. Number 2 is a sorta
non-issue. If you don't get enough motivation to practice, number 3 won't
come to be. But number 3 :). That's it. Kurt Cobain is a musician because
he not only writes but also plays guitar in a musical situation. He may
not be able to read and may not know every chord or scale but he still
creates music by writing and playing. You might be a great composer but a
mediocre player, you'd be creating music and therefore a musician. Same
if you play but don't write. Lastly, I would eliminate number 1 because
you might be 55 years old playing clarinet in a symphony and hating it.
You'd still be a musician :). I did hear about a clarinet player who
retired from the symphony and didn't want to play anymore.
--Marc Respass
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 20:29:27 GMT
From: Darren Redick <yusckx@private.nethead.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Left handedness (NDTC)
Message-ID: <199604032029.UAA00498@nethead.co.uk>
Howdy all! A friend of mine is interested in learning the guitar, but he's
left handed. Do any of you know of any books with left handed tabs?
I kinda like the drum tone on I&W. It's sort of wacky!
-Darren
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Date: 03 Apr 96 13:31:35 EST
From: Neil Elliott <101352.3261@compuserve.com>
To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1402
Message-ID: <960403183134_101352.3261_JHP108-1@CompuServe.COM>
Conrad Chi wrote:
>>Has their been any word from Neil Elliott about the fan club being redone?<<
Well, I can tell you all now, that I am going to New York this weekend to tie up
the details, so that we can get some sort of decent service started very soon.
There are hopes that there will be something special (details as yet unknown),
that we can organise, as a sort of peace offering and thank you to the fans who
have stuck through it all.
I will post the result of these talks, upon my return. So, Hold Your
Fire.......!
On another matter, the recent postings concerning the price of Mike Bahr's CD's.
Why is anyone really questioning the cost? When it comes down to it, people are
getting something that they would normally not get a chance to own, or hear! And
if it is a problem to them, they have the option not to but them! Okay, the
price may be a bit higher than the general massed produce boot, but we are
getting something of genuine rarity value, that we know that Mike will lovingly
craft and take care of himself, thus ensuring that we receive an item of quality
all the way! Either pay up or shut up!
Keep it up Mike, you're doing a grand job.
Neil Elliott
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:50:28 -0500
From: "Jonathan J.S. Tischio" <tischio@caip.rutgers.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I got a question...
Message-ID: <199604031750.MAA08627@caip.rutgers.edu>
I am doing an arrangement of "Ytsejam" for melodic percussion (for
thos of you who care: Xylophone, Vibes, 2 parts on Marimba, Bells,
Auxilliary Percussion, and maybe timpani). I saw Mike Portnoy at the
clinic he gave at Sam Ash, in White Plains. When I told him about it,
he seemed interested in it. Here's the question: How do I get a copy
of this to him? I'd really like him and the rest of DT to hear
it. Thanx a bunch.
Jonathan-
(The guy who gave Mike the RU Drumline shirt he wore at Birch Hill)
(I had one on too.)
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Office: (908)445-2734 Pager: (908)498-1812 Home: (908)756-7061
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:44:16 -0500
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Superior
Message-ID: <0010200002386456000002*@MHS>
BILL HUSTON scrawled:
> Hola mi amigos,
> I can now give my review of Superior. I've had it for about 3 weeks
> now. This CD ROCKS!!! I can't express how imperative that all of you
> have this for your collection.
Absolutely. It has been a permanent fixture in my car since it arrived. It
might break Awake's record of 6 weeks of continuous play. Only time will tell.
> Production is some of the best I've
> ever heard. The songwriting ranks right up there with DT although
> they don't sound like them.
I found this interesting. Every DT fan I've played it for has said that it
sounds like them, esp. the vocalist. Every Non-DT fan (some people just don't
have good taste ;) that has heard it has immediately thought that it was DT.
> They also have thought producing lyric.
> This is a very heavy CD, in the vein of AWAKE and heavier than FW. I
[You won't feel a thing. Snip. AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!]
> In conclusion, GET THIS!! You won't be sorry.
I second the motion. Even if you don't listen to another album recommendation
from the Jam ever again, you should get one. It's worth it. It's more than
worth it.
> New favorite song of the week: Escape From Reality
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
EFR is a good one, but I'm gonna have to vote for Why?
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Date: Wed, 3 Apr 1996 12:23:07 -0500
From: brian.kirk@USVGI.mail.abb.com
To: " - (052)ytsejam(a)ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Bafu's ?''?*-._.*??''?*-._.*??''?*-._.* Post
Message-ID: <0010200002386324000002*@MHS>
Bafu befuddled us all in Jam 1401 with:
> It's also one's choice how much you let your training get in your way and
> how much you allow it to help you so you can eventually "let go"
> ("forget," "transcend," "moo," whatever), which is (or should be) the goal
> of any artist. I'd ask for some black belts to jump in, but that might not
> get us anywhere since the connection is somewhat obscure.
As obscure as the connection may be, I still think it is a good one. I am not
a black belt. I do not play one on TV. But I am good friends with someone who
is a black belt. I have seen him block kicks and punches that were thrown at
him at in the middle of conversations. He'd done it so many times in practice
and sparring that the action was entirely second nature. And to make it all
the more obscure, learning TKD improved his skill at Street Fighter.
How about even more obscure. To do calculus, you have to know algebra. By the
time you get around to doing intergrals, the algebra is second nature. I don't
have to remember the name of some algebraic law or geometric corollary to use
it. I don't even have to recognize where one ends and the next begins. But
having learned them once upon a time many, many years ago, I can now string it
all together to create something entirely new.
Or for the less obscure, I finally talked myself into taking a music theory
class in my last semester at college. Having learned a bit of theory did not
immediately improve my clarinet playing. However, it did help my playing
improve more quickly.
So now you're asking yourself, what's this guy's point anyway? FWIW, I believe
that learning music theory and being able to read sheet music and all that is
not absolutely required to be a musician. However, it will not hurt you and
will more than likely help you get better quicker. After all, there has been
lots of trial and error discoveries made over the last 1000 years or so. Do
you really want to do it all over again yourself?
And now I'm asking myself, what the hell did this have to do with Bafu's
comment?
Grain of salt not included. Some assembly required. Consult with your doctor
before giving to small children. Use only with adequate ventillation. Your
millage may vary.
Brian "Get Superior's album _behind_ NOW" Kirk
brian.kirk@usvgi.mail.abb.com
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