YTSEJAM Digest 1413
Today's Topics:
1) Re: KM Demo Dubbing Project
by BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
2) argh
by kurt@fgallery.com
3) Maybe I'm just stupid
by Chad <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 00:32:57" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) Savatage
by Jane & Roger Goff <jnrgoff@capital.net>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
7) Re: Other bands
by sjensen@research.westlaw.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1410
by buster <buster@ee.net>
9) Uh-oh.
by Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
10) Ponder (No DTC)
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
11) All those posts by one guy!
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
12) other people
by Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
13) The Awake Studio Picture
by thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
14) Happy Easter
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
15) Click tracks and D-man
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
16) Re: what to do with your new SS promo
by curth@execpc.com
17) art
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
18) studio stuff
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
19) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1408 (No DTC)
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
20) The " Jack is an asshole" thread
by WarrenDW@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 15:59:24 -0700 (MST)
From: BERTAPELLE ADAM RAYE <bertapel@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
To: AirDance@aol.com
Subject: Re: KM Demo Dubbing Project
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960405155718.21276A-100000@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>
I'm an idiot!! I was dubbing the Kevin Moore demos for a friend, and I
put the tapes in the wrong decks, erasing side one! ARGH! Would anybody
let me send my tape along with return postage and dub it for me? I would
greatly appreciate it. PLease respond to: bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu
->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->->
Adam R. Bertapelle "Scuse me...while I kiss this guy!"
bertapel@ucsu.colorado.edu Jimi Hendrix
Ask for my bootleg list! Purple Haze
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:04:34 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: argh
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.4.5.-13.4.34.2916992174.270777@bbs.fgallery.com>
I cant believe someone actually said that they thought Death's music is
better and more complex than DT's?! hahahahah yeah..right..and
i can play better than JohN petrucci and yngiwe malmsteen combined
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 17:31:09 -0600 (CST)
From: Chad <cak6981@omega.uta.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Maybe I'm just stupid
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960405172532.31706A-100000@omega.uta.edu>
> Yes. And YKYARDTF(tm) if you spend $30 for the Japanese Awake import
> to get it |>)>
Gotcha beat...$53.81 after tax.
Ray
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 18:31:38 EST
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/06/96 - 00:32:57" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 19:02:44 -0500
From: Jane & Roger Goff <jnrgoff@capital.net>
To: napkins@clandjop.com
Subject: Savatage
Message-ID: <3165B4A4.1FF@capital.net>
Seth-
When Savatage's "Dead Winter Dead" came out last year, it was the first
thing that I had actaully heard from them. I thought it was a great
progressive metal record. I loved the classical influences, especially
the snippets of Mozart's Symphony #25 in G minor. Since them I've gone
back and gotten the prior five studio records.
I actaully like BOTH vocalists, since each has their own style.
Other records other than DWD worth checking out include "Handful of
Rain" (harder edge) and "Gutter Ballet" (more progressive).
Not sure how your taste runs with mine... I've liked Marillion since
1984, like early Iron Maiden and Pink Floyd, and think that Awake is a
stronger record than IAW...
Up the irons-
Roger Goff
jnrgoff@capital.net
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:09:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1412
Message-ID: <199604060109.UAA17395@mail.ee.net>
I just can't believe what I am reading in some of the jams lately...it has
me wondering "do i like this? or does it piss me off?" etc... so I thought
I just post my silly 2 cents on a couple of things that are being kicked around:
1. When people start trying to define and make rules for good things, those
good things usually go away. Music=art=art=creativity. Creativity when
stifled=repressed. How can you be creative if someone is telling you the rules?
2. As far as the bikkering about other bands being posted about on the jam:
We can still keep this a Dream Theater FAN oriented jam and talk about some
other bands, but some of it does go too far (IMHO). When it comes down to me
having to defend DT's musicianship, WHY THE FUCK GET THE JAM??? If you are a
Dream Theater FAN, then subscribe and post. If you're here to tell me they
aren't top notch musicians, or that other bands are better then GET THE FUCK
OUT OF THE JAM!
Although this is a place to post opinions about music, it's main purpose is
Dream Theater, get it?
3. What in the world does age have to do with music????????? ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING! Why would anyone post dirogetory comments aimed at OUR BROTHER and
SISTER DT fans because of their age??? That is as pathetic as saying
something like "oh i used to like Melissa Ethridge's music until I found out
she was gay" ! And believe it or not, that is exactly what some fucking
moron told me once!
4. Music is a universal language...nothing else contains and appreciates all
elements of life as well as music. When you walk into a music store, you can
find a song somewhere about anything that you can think of in this world as
we know it. (My favorite genre are the styles and bands that with themes
based on the subconcious and inner person and how the elements of life
affect us. This is Dream Theater's "other" specialty aside from being great
musicians technically)
5. Bottom Line = There is no universal harmony or "brotherhood" achieved
when people criticize their very inspirations and fellows, whether it be
because of age, musical skill, or what have you...
6. I guess typed print on a page can be easily misconstrued, and your
on-line personality can greatly deviate from that of your true self, but if
you come in here to tell me that "so&so band rules", and then turn around
and critique Dream Theater or compare them to some "alternative" band, then
I must say in all seriousness that you will be justly percieved as a fucking
idiot. Why? Because even though you have a right to your opinion, this forum
is about DREAM THEATER!
Flame away...
buster
\\\\\\//////
@ (0) (0) @ buster@ee.net
^^
(......)
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 19:25:56 -0600
From: sjensen@research.westlaw.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Other bands
Message-ID: <9604060125.AA14047@research.westlaw.com>
Dave <buster@ee.net> said:
>>2. As far as the bikkering about other bands being posted about on the jam:
>>We can still keep this a Dream Theater FAN oriented jam and talk about some
>>other bands, but some of it does go too far (IMHO).
Frankly, I enjoy discussions about other bands. I only found out about DT
because of a Kansas list. If not for DT I never would have found Lillian Axe,
Savatage, Marillion, Magellan, King's X, Galactic Cowboys or Shadow Gallery,
just to name a few. If someone hears a good band, I want to know about it.
Thanks in advance.
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 21:11:14 -0800
From: buster <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1410
Message-ID: <3165FCF2.5A40@ee.net>
Can someone PLEASE tell me how I can get a John Petrucci Ibanez signature
model guitar (the one that I keep reading about on here that they only
made 100 of)???!! I want the authentic autograph tag and all! AKK! I'm
drooling again!
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 20:28:47 -0700
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@enet.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Uh-oh.
Message-ID: <199604060328.UAA15163@maple.enet.net>
>Have you ever heard Dark Tranquility, At The Gates, or Death? This is
>all very technical death metal that I consider to be better music than DT.
>Does this mean that I have no taste in music, because it doesn't agree
>with yours? Open you mind...
>
That was a reaaaaaaaalllly bad way to put it. If there's someone who's not
going to respect other bands because he doesn't care for him, when he sees
this he'll flame you so fast that you won't have time to put on your
asbestos undies.
>> HELL I Could record The sounds my ASS makes when I take a
>> Dump and Call it Music. Then i too would be a musician...
>
>Except that you'd be wrong. I could make a chair and call it a table.
>Would it be a table? No.
>
It would be if you USED it as a table. It all comes down to what the
originator of the sound MEANT. If it was meant to be music, then it
was...good or bad. If it wasn't, then it wasn't. As we have found, there is
no definate definition.
>Granted Korn does suck, I saw them live, but Sepultura rules, especially
>live. Just because someone doesn't like, well, whatever type of music
>you like doesn't mean they deserved to be flammed.
Flammed? Like the drum rudiment? Cool.
>Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 14:56:35 -0600 (CST)
>From: SEEGED73@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: Montiors
Montiors? Is that French?
Oh well.
Mr. Cool
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:31:34 -0500
From: btomko@home.glasscity.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ponder (No DTC)
Message-ID: <199604060331.WAA28550@home.glasscity.net>
This has probably been worn out, but I'm curious. Does anyone know
why the lyrics are blotted out in the end of Rush's Show Of Hands video?
They're not known to use profanity and they could have just put a warning
label on it. BTW, If this is an old question...just ignore me. (although
most of you probably already do)
Feyd
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:36:25 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: All those posts by one guy!
Message-ID: <199604060336.WAA26515@mailserver2.tiac.net>
> Followed by the Tag Team event of the century:
> Damon / Griffin vs. DreamNDay / Respass for the most posts
> in a
> single jam!
Wow! I didn't know that I'd been posting so much :). Luckily, I don't
have a big ol' boat in my sig with all the words to a song ;).
--Marc Respass (marcr@tiac.net)
Come visit the Joel Rivard Group home page at
http://www.tiac.net/users/marcr/
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:37:42 -0500
From: Marc Respass <marcr@tiac.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: other people
Message-ID: <199604060337.WAA26573@mailserver2.tiac.net>
> Someone asked who the younger jammers were. Then someone
> complained about all the young jammers. So, who is the
> oldest jammer on the list?
Someone complained about younger jammers? I guess you can always find
something about someone else to complain about. Like those damn longhairs!
--Marc Respass
YJLHB
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 21:42:27 -0600 (CST)
From: thekid@txdirect.net (Jose Vaquera)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Awake Studio Picture
Message-ID: <199604060342.VAA29779@legend.txdirect.net>
I'm surprised more "players" didn't respond to this, unless no one's
actually done any recording.
The click track can usually be pre-programmed on a drum machine. This way
songs with different tempos and time signatures can keep a consistent tempo
without having to "splice" different metronome tracks together. Since the
band records in a layer mode (drums first, then guitars, etc.) this keeps an
even tempo through the song. No one is as perfect as a metronome and you
would have to remember that "this is where the drummer speeds up half-a-beat
a minute. Add up these slight imperfections by 10 to 20 layers of overdubs
and it can get pretty messy.
There are no monitors in the studio pic. The black object near James is a
stool, the black long object in front of John P. is his controller for his
effect rack which is what the angled-back objects are. Those are studio
racks, the band's racks are in the big Anvil cases. They're using the
headphones for monitor purposes. All of them being in the room together
suggests that this is a pre-production session. They jam the songs while
finalizing arrangements, make changes, etc.
Other news: "Mariner" from Maiden is an approximation of the poem for the
most part. Poems verbatim usually don't work in a musical structure. The
middle part, however, is verbatim. Due to copyright laws this is why it's
quotated and identified.
Just thought I'd help out.
Braves, Panthers (NFL), Bruins, TarHeels and Spurs RULE!
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On the road that I have taken, * I'll change highways, in a while,
one day, walking, I awaken, * at the crossroads, one more mile.
amazed to see where I have come, * My path is lit by my own fire.
where I'm going, where I'm from. * I'm going only where I desire.
*
This is not the path I thought. * On the road that I have taken,
This is not the place I sought. * one day, walking, I awaken.
This is not the dream I bought, * One day, walking, I awaken,
just a fever of fate I've caught. * on the road that I have taken.
-The Book of Counted Sorrows
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:12:16 -0500 (EST)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: HappyEaster@Everyone.com
Cc: durnik@indirect.com (Mike Bahr),
Subject: Happy Easter
Message-ID: <199604060312.WAA29779@grex.cyberspace.org>
I had reserved this space for something very profound and
insightful to inspire everyone this Easter, but, when it came time to pen
the letter, I found only a few words that conveyed the message I wanted
to express.
HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!
-John
-- -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..J O H N K O T Z I A N : koggie@cyberspace.org
"I want to look at life, in the available light." - Rush "Let the light surround you." - Dream Theater "O.k., light up." - Bob McKenzie
Anybody know who I am? -.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..-.---.----..
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Date: Fri, 05 Apr 1996 23:36:54 EST From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Click tracks and D-man Message-ID: <096.05297426.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
Ernie, a click track is just another way of saying Metronome. Some drummers use a click to get that time thing perfect. I play drums and have never used a click. The music I was recording did not call for one. Listen to Led Zeppelin and try and put a click to it. Not in a million years would it stay on the beat. As they say " different strokes for different folks " A D- boy, correct me if I'm wrong but I'll own a house before you even finish school so what if I work for Waldbaum's, at least I can afford Five cents to watch the statue piss up the river plus they will also pay for the rest of my schooling if I so chose to go on. Put that in your pipe and choke on it. No hard feelings though!
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf ( To all except the Digital BOY )
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Date: Fri, 5 Apr 1996 22:53:49 -0600 (CST) From: curth@execpc.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: what to do with your new SS promo Message-ID: <199604060453.WAA28499@earth.execpc.com>
Scott Cook said: >>DT content: I got my copy of the Status Seeker promo CD today and I don't know what to do. Ya see, it's sealed and the seal is a sticker of the MAJESTY label. So if I open it, I risk tearing the seal, and if I keep it sealed, I don't get to listen to the Terry Brown remix. I do have the TB remix on a boot tape, but the quality is average at best.<<
I had the same problem, so what I ended up doing was ordering up a second one, and then opening my first one - BTW, it's a picture CD of the cover - pretty cool. So this way I can have my cake and eat it too! (And for anyone wondering - sorry, but no, I will *NOT* be selling either copy).
Scott Hansen curth@execpc.com
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:33:35 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: art Message-ID: <19960406053333.AAA4413@mail.pananet.com>
>Art is very difficult to define, but I don't think that something beautiful, >elaborated, original, intelligent, must be necessarily defined art. >An artist, to produce a work of art, must have a great knowledge of art history, >and must be able to understand and reproduce the art of the past. Then he can >move one step forward, being original but at the same time bearing in mind >the rules of what he's doing, maybe partially breaking some of them. >
I think that what you're trying to explain here is something that happens naturally... anybody who wants to be musician will be influenced by somebody else, and add to what that person was doing... and I mean, do you think Mozart started learning stuff from the middle ages? I think not... In turn, people born in this century tend to listen to music made in it....
>In this way music has moved from Greece to Rome to Gregorian rules to mottetto >to Bach to Beethoven to Chopin to Debussy and so on. > Yes & Rush to DT? Neil Young to Pearl Jam?
>but I refuse to call it art. It's a popular form of music that is done for >easy pleasure, not as an artistic purpouse. Progressive rock originates from >rock.
Well I don't know about you, but I play the geetar in a rock'n roll band, and I sure as heck consider my music art... I'd like to think that my music will eventually actually move somebody emotionally, just like DT moves me...
Besides, you contradicted yourself on the first sentence... you say that art is hard to define, but rock is not considered art? what gives?
all I know is that I've always considered art to be an attempt of humans to represent something abstract (like our emotions) in a concrete form... of course music itself is rather abstract, which makes IMO the better representative of the arts...
Basically what I'm saying is that art is something that really can't be defined, and noone can really say if something is art or not except the person who created... and I don't mean to be harsh, but if you didn't consider my music to be art, I would fell very insulted...
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================|
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 00:33:43 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: studio stuff Message-ID: <19960406053341.AAA4416@mail.pananet.com>
> This is to answer the question about the click track. A click >track is simply a track that clicks out the tempo like a metronome so that >the tempo of the song remains constant, or at least the section of the song >to be played at that tempo. >
I pretty much know that part... but what I really wanted to know was if it's just a click, or if it's the actual song w/ the music?... If you notice, on the LiT vid, when they show 'em laying tracks for I&W, they're playing along w/ the actual song,and a TOC TOC TOC TOC...
>Caught in a Web. James is holding a tambourine. >
But, correct me if I'm wrong, JP isn't sporting whose good ol' 7-stringer
>the floor are monitors. However, I can almost guarantee that that photo >was for show and they weren't recording at the time it was taken. If you >notice, everyone appears to be in the same room. You wouldn't want that. >You'd get too much bleedthrough among tracks, which would make mixdown
But they could be rehearsing or something to that extent, couldn't they? I mean they *are* playing something... If you notice, both John's seem to be pretty concentrated, and they both seem to be playing the same thing... and Myung looks like he's doing a slide or something... And also, there are bands that record the basic tracks live ( like Pearl Jam, although I think they're last 2 CD's sound like S**T... but Extreme did it too, and it sounded very good... but still, I'm pretty aware that DT doesn't do that, and even if where doing that, they wouldn't record JL, because that voice mic would cause some serious bleed-through...
|---------------------------------------------------------------------------| |in the distance, you faintly hear... | | HEY!! HEEEEEEYYYY!!! LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | | ...and then the song starts. | |===========================================================================| |Bert's out by the pool shooting pigeons {Ernie} {ernie@.pananet.com} |===========================================================================|
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 96 0:50:13 EST From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1408 (No DTC) Message-ID: <9604060550.AA28558@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Wow. He wants a piece of me now. Buddy, you don't understand what you are getting yourself into. I do read jams. I was up until 6:00 that morning, (no pun intended) reading 170 somthing messages from the likes of ytsejammers and other mailing lists. I had sent that original post about not enough mother jokes directly from your post or warren's post or something. But, buddy, you really don't want to start with me. I have a deadly mind, and I am sure that you don't really want to get out of your league. I would send this to you privately, but I really didn't think it was worth the effort to hunt for your email address and try to have my speech synthesizer spell it right. Truthfully, I'd be really careful who you mess with on the Jam. Some of us are actually intelligent.
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Date: Sat, 6 Apr 1996 01:05:11 -0500 From: WarrenDW@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The " Jack is an asshole" thread Message-ID: <960406010510_265246574@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Nice response Jack....so you didn't think my humor was funny a year ago? Why didn't you say something back then? Did you have a yeast infection or something? :>) I thought my Polyrhythm Parrot Parody, in Particular, Pleased People.... Primarily Putting Parrots in Proper Positions to Play Polyrhythms Perfectly, you Pisshead :>)
Now Jack, do you want to see how a real man handles being called an asshole?? Here goes...Mark Metzger is an official asshole now. He qualified after insulting me in public. He is really sensitive and was offended with what I had said to you. I really didn't know that you two were lovers. IMO, IMHO, :>)
What you two do is your business. I am glad I am in Oregon. Signed: Warren in Oregon For Jack: Warren D Williams in Oregon For Jack: My Mastercard # is 3442-2343-7865-4543, my favorite color is blue, favorite food is white bread, favorite hobby is collecting bread wrappers. Best TV show is the Weather Channel, car I currently drive is a Yugo Turbo Sport LX, ....kid I knew in high school..Jack Hoff.
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