YTSEJAM Digest 1484
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 1480
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
2) YTSEJAM digest 1481
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1483
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
4) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/26/96 - 15:58:46" <response@ibmmail.com>
5) A couple of replies . . .
by borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
6) YTSEJAM digest 1483
by "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
7) Cold Double CD's
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
8) Dream Theatre
by goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
9) SPAM Messaging (fwd)
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
10) The Petition ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
11) The Amazing Tofu Satriani
by Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu>
12) Re: nix the petition
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
13) Names, Ytsecon, A Great Joke
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
14) DT double disc. Please Read. Attn:Andrew Feyder
by rbarker@epix.net
15) Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
by Morten Refsdal <mrefsdal@sn.no>
16) Let's take this thread the other way.......
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
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Date: 26 Apr 1996 09:14:09 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1480
Message-ID: <199604261437.AA11238@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 04/25/96 17:41
Paul Cashman! Good idea on the MidCon thang....from now on, it will be
referred to as..............."Mytsecon"!!!!!! Maybe a good idea for seeing if
the ba nd or members can make it in late July/early August (the as of 4-26-96
9:15 a.m. approved Mytsecon window) around some sort of clinic they might hold
in Chicago (Guitar Center is in the heart of where we should hold the
event!!). Any way to talk to gear officials about this? SInista? Chew?
Beuhler? LATER-
Steve
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"You may remember me from such education films as
'Firecrackers: The Silent Killer' and 'Locker Room Towel
Fights: The Blinding of Larry Driscoll" -- actor Troy McClure
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Date: 26 Apr 1996 09:19:09 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1481
Message-ID: <199604261440.AA11343@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 04/25/96 21:33
Lewis Arons is an asshole...........
Steve
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"You may remember me from such education films as
'Firecrackers: The Silent Killer' and 'Locker Room Towel
Fights: The Blinding of Larry Driscoll" -- actor Troy McClure
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:02:57 -0500 (EST)
From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1483
Message-ID: <v01510101ada65b545593@[137.238.26.12]>
>Babs. I am not going to question what you heard, but I deal with Magna carta
>for my progressive rock radio show. They are going to send me the CD when it
>is completed, probably long before the relese date to the public. If I don't
>have it, I doubt anybody else does. Then again, ... I could be worng. But
>Magna Carta told me that the CD was being released in July, and I'd get my
>copy in June for early promotion as radio stations do. So, maybe it was just
>a cover or a very early release single or a rough mix or ... well ... I am
>just not as important as I thought.
Hello! That's very interesting. I think that there is a lot of confusion
on the subject (myself included). Again, after that station played the
tune, the DJ mentioned the tribute thing (I was surprised too when he said
May 8), but never elaborated on the band, etc. I'm beginning to agree w/
what another 'jammer had posted in the last 'jam about it just being a mere
"cover tune" by a band. Again, my opinion was that the tune was alright. I
got a call last night from a friend who played in a Rush tribute band for
some time and we were talking in reference to the tribute and he said that
he was approached to play on it, but turned it down due to the fact that he
felt that he wouldn't be able to do a good enough job (trust me I'm gonna
double-check that story out - laugh. Rule #1, never believe a musician!).
Well, hopefully we will all eventually get the correct info.
-BABS
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:05:36 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/26/96 - 15:58:46" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 16:17:45 +0100
From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A couple of replies . . .
Message-ID: <9604261517.AA04356@annenkov.dcs.gla.ac.uk>
Paul wrote:
> Anyone out there ever read anything by British SF/fantasy/horror
> author Storm Constantine? :)
Never read any of her stuff, but I saw her being interviewed on TV once.
She was a weird scary hippy woman, with weird scary hippy clothes, and long
black hair which reminded me of Alice Cooper. She spoke funny too.
Skadz wrote:
> I will write the actual petition later, but it will basically say "WE WANT
> A DT DOUBLE CD!"
I think this is an extremely BAD idea. Why?
Well, for starters, DT did us a big favour by recording and releasing the
ACOS EP. It was never expected to be a commercial success, and they did it
just for us.
They simply cannot afford to release something else "just for us". They
are in desperate need of a commercially successful album, and a double CD
just won't sell well. Sure, it would keep us die-hards happy, but it would
really screw any chance DT have of becoming popular. I think this is a
critical stage in DT's career - they are on the verge of a breakthrough, and
they have a bigger chance than ever before of expanding their fan base.
A double CD would be commercial suicide right now.
Anyone disagree?
Graham B.
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Date: 26 Apr 1996 10:10:10 GMT
From: "Steven Johnson" <svjohnson@amoco.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1483
Message-ID: <199604261521.AA13187@interlock.amoco.com>
*** Reply to note of 04/26/96 09:35
I agree with Andrew Feyder. Double CDs are a little too '70s. It's hard enough
for me to listen to ONE DT disc and catch all the cool things going on. Also,
a double CD will take much longer to produce and then we'd be waiting even
longer for another release....finally, the cost would keep potential DT
converts form purchasing. Just a few thoughts. LATER-
Steve
***************************************************************
"You may remember me from such education films as
'Firecrackers: The Silent Killer' and 'Locker Room Towel
Fights: The Blinding of Larry Driscoll" -- actor Troy McClure
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Date: Sat, 27 Apr 1996 11:34:57 -0400
From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cold Double CD's
Message-ID: <199604261533.LAA02374@kirk.ici.net>
>I'm kind of sick of hearing peple whine about waiting in line
>in the cold , at the first New London show. I mean you did get
>to see the greatest band. you did experience the greatest
>pleasure on earth, so what if you to had to wait ten hours in
>the cold. my friends and I live 4+ hours away and had tickets
>in hand for 2 months prior, and got primed in a nice warm bar
>100 yds. down the street. So please don't cry to me.
Hey, I'm not crying TO you, I'm crying NEAR you!
Seriously, there were a lot of people that came from a long way (I had a 3
hr drive myself) to get there. Yes I got to see a great band in a less than
stellar performance (mostly because of the club and the limited set length).
The fact of the matter was that doors were supposed to open at a certain
time and they did not. Had the club management kept us a little more
informed, we probably wouldn't have had to wait outside so long, we'd have
joined you in that nice warm bar.
And something I'd like to get off my chest: While standing in line, There
were several times I had the thought "No band is worth this". I know,
blasphemy, but hey - I was cold. I wasn't thinking straight. I didn't leave,
so obviously SOME band is worth that. :)
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>and add your name to the petition I am getting together. I will
>write the actual petition later, but it will basically say "WE WANT
>A DT DOUBLE CD!"
I don't think I want that. No offense, but what I like about DT is the way
their studio stuff is so cohesive, both as individual songs, and over an
entire album. I would rather have the set released as two seperate discs (a
la Use Your Illusion - but with better songs :)). Plus you have the fact
that no record company is going to try to market a $30-$35 studio set for an
"unproven" artist.
Plus, how do you think all those people who thought DT was "self-indulgent"
for ACOS will react to a double studio album? :)
___<psull@ici.net>_______________http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.h
tml_______
"You could probably chop off a man's head three times a day for twenty years
and he'd
grow used to it, and cry like a baby if you stopped"
________________________ Robert Sheckley/"Immortality,
Inc."__________________________
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 17:40 MET DST
From: goebel@inf.fu-berlin.de (Ties Goebel)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dream Theatre
Message-ID: <m0uCpcp-0002JKC@inf.fu-berlin.de>
Hi `jammers!
_I_ know how to spell Dream Theater, but:
On the back cover of the new Metal Hammer magazine there`s a huge Ibanez ad
with John Petrucci and a rock (?) on which it says "Dream Theatre".
If John knew that... ;)
If you would like to see it: http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~goebel/ibanez.html
Ties
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:05:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: SPAM Messaging (fwd)
Message-ID: <199604261605.MAA09497@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hey all .....
Just sent this to postmaster@aohell.com. I am pissed :)
As for getting rid of this shit as well as the response at IBMMail,
I spoke with Ken about it and he said it is a real pain in the ass
because of a few things. I don't have the time to add 300 aliases
to an alias file right now because you may post from foo1.bar.com
or foo2.bar.com but your address you are subscribed with is
foo3.bar.com. So, for now we remain that anyone can subscribe.
Hopefully I can find some time over the summer months and get
it done, but for now we must stay that way.
Skadz
> Hello .....
>
> I amn the moderator the mailing list ytsejam@ax.com which a
> SPAM was recently posted. The screen name of the user was
> Lewisarons@aol.com. This is the fourth or fifth such message sent
> to my list in the last 2 months. Could you please take the necessary
> actions against this user and also add something in your startup
> screen about users mailing this sort of junk out. I am an admin
> at am ISP and I do not tolerate this junk from my users, but most
> understand netiquette, so it is not a problem. Please educate your
> users on some of the general policies of how to interact on the
> Internet.
>
> Below I have enclosed the message sent to my list.
>
> Ryan P Skadberg
> Moderator, Ytsejam
>
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+------------------------------
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Petition .... Message-ID: <199604261620.MAA09558@wicked.stigmata.org>
Hi All ....
Me again. As for the petition, someone suggested to hold off and not do it. I have to disagree. John said that they had 20 songs written and were gonna trim them down to 70 mins. Do you really want to have to pay $25 to Mike Bahr for the rest of the songs?? ;) (Kidding, Mike) I would like to see them put everything they have on discs so we can enjoy it.
We have 66 people so far in 12 hours. :)
Skadz
-- +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ | Ryan P Skadberg skadz@mindstorm.com | | s y s t e m . a d m i n i s t r a t o r / w e b . d e v e l o p e r | | http://www.bluesky.net/skadz/ http://www.dreamt.org/ | +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+ \ "And every prayer we pray at night has somehow lost its meaning" / \ "Dead Winter Dead" - Savatage / +-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+-=-+
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:29:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Bigman <martinah@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Amazing Tofu Satriani Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960426112409.24274C-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:38:26 -0700 (PDT) > From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Buzz Of The Day
[stuff removed]
> ********************************************************************** > > Wow. > > I'm so pissed off about this that I'm not even gonna will this post to > appear at the end of this digest. (but it just might due the intense > amount of kinetic energy washing off of my fingers and onto the keyboard)
..and a little later...
> Bafu Vai > > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1482 > **************************
*DaBigman chalks one up for Bafu
D00d, you're amazing! HOW?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Bigman
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:35:45 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: nix the petition Message-ID: <199604261634.JAA03343@ichips.intel.com>
> Although I'm sure you have the best intentions, I'm not sure how >good the idea of sending a petition to DT to get them to record a double >CD is. I think they might consider it badgering.
Yes, I agree with this; I don't think it's a big deal that they record extra stuff and then whittle it down to 70 minutes; this way all the quality stuff gets released. So we miss the mediocre stuff; what's wrong with that? And chances are, we'll hear some of that live through boots and released live material, like Bombay Vindaloo.
The other thing to consider is that by having extra material, that is potentially _less_ work for them to do for the album after this one; I personally would hate for the next album to be delayed because they spent extra time in the studio; I would much prefer the next album to be released sooner, and then have a shorter time period before the album after that.
ACOS was something worth getting worked up about; it was a song that had tremendous implications for establishing DT as a great progressive- metal band, and I think our effort was well spent in getting them to record it. But asking them to do twice the work now just so we can satisfy our insatiable hunger for DT seems kind of greedy and petty to me. And remember that a double CD is going to cost twice as much, keeping many potential new fans from hearing them since they have to risk twice as much on a band they might not know much about.
Just my opinion.
-- Jim <checking the 'no' box on his virtual ballot>
Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:36:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Names, Ytsecon, A Great Joke Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426093447.124174A-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
> From: Bogie34@aol.com > Subject: My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic... > > 1) Okay, on the LIT video, DT plays TLF. What is the title of the > instrumental that directly follows TLF?
"To Live Forever: Extended Guitar Solo."
> 2) What was the original working title of Surrounded? (I think it was > Surrounded which had a different title on the I&W promo cassette...or > was it UAGM?)
"The Longest Night."
> 3) Which came first? The chicken or the egg?
This answer is simple. I can't believe people in the 20th century still ask it.
> 4) What is the meaning of Scarred? Not having the lyrics near me, I > seem to be under the impression that it's about infidelity (in other > words, cheating) during marriage.
You know those cool shirts Petrucci occasionally wears on stage? You can't keep 'em that flowy and smooth without ironing them, and there was a time when he didn't have a guitar tech no iron everything, and well, you can figure out the rest... I've done it a few times myself... Ouch...
> 6) Lastly, who is this Bafu Vai character and his friend, Sideshow Ben? > :P
We're the same person. I think...
---- > From: Bogie34@aol.com > Subject: Re: My name is Nick and I'm a Dream Theater-holic... > > << 1) Okay, on the LIT video, DT plays TLF. What is the title of the > instrumental that directly follows TLF? > > Since I just read jam #1464 with Mike Backof's discography, I was able > to answer that question for myself. (Barf Bag, duh!) Thanks Mike!
"Barf Bag?" If that's what the discography says, then it's incorrect.
---- > From: blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1467 > > Bafu, Bafu, Bafu.
POOF!!
> _WHY_ aren't you coming to ytsejam? DO NOT MAKE ME GET HAIRBALL AFTER > YOU!@
I'm going to be 3000 miles away, unless you'd like to buy me a round-trip ticket for Seattle/New York. :)
---- > From: "RESPONSE AT IBMMAIL 04/23/96 - 66:66:66"@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com > Subject: Mail Item Format Warning > > However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a format that > is acceptable to the recipient, DUMBASS at IBMMAIL. Information beyond > column 79 in the mail item will have been wrapped. > > And I sincerely wish i could stop sending these blasted emails to this > list. I grow weary of the endless onslaught of useless mail that i'm > forced to generate. Good lord, i post more messages to this list than > most of the subscribers! > > Someone please deactivate me.
HA!! Anyone willing to confess to this through a private e-mail to me???
:)
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 12:42:52 PDT From: rbarker@epix.net To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT double disc. Please Read. Attn:Andrew Feyder Message-ID: <Chameleon.960426124830.rbarker@.epix.net>
John Petrucci specifically said to mail the record company about this. He said that they have 20 songs or so. someone else in the audience said, "Are you going to be doing a double disc set?". John replied with,"Write our record label about a double disc set and maybe they will support a double cd." John also said that they are writing Metropolis Pt. II and it should be on the new album. So I don't really think that the band is going to get upset because we wrote the label. Its not like were bugging the band. We are just fans writing the label to see if we can get the label to financially back a double set. It could be a possibility. This all came from John Petrucci's mouth. I'm sure other people that were at the clinic can back me on this. ------------------------------------- Name: Barker E-mail: rbarker@epix.net Date: 4/26/96 Time: 12:42:52 PM -------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 18:41:03 +0200 From: Morten Refsdal <mrefsdal@sn.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live" Message-ID: <199604261641.SAA05502@ekeberg.sn.no>
Dear POS "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
>Well, as somebody who has played along with LTL on CD with his setup, I can >tell you that the song is in F sharp. The intro goes: >f sharp, c sharp F sharp e c sahrp f sharp b c sharp f sharp c sharp a sharp >g sharp >repeat pattern.
Hold on sir, first of all this song is definitely NOT in F sharp, but in F#. And your intro seem to be a little wrong you see, 'cause you really have missed out a few # and a couple of notes. Try cleaning your ears, that'll maybe help.
>It's more like 15/8. Fiddle with the notes
Well, congratulations, 'cause that's the first thing you've managed to catch!
>Not as easy as it may sound, unless you have good concentration with both your >hands being able to do that kind of thing.
Well sir, this part is NOT hard to play unless you are a complete piece of shit. So may I come with a suggestion? LISTEN and UNDERSTAND their music before you come along and present your wrong material. I've played the extended version of "Learning To Live" for almost two years now, so I now that, and about every other Dream Theater song very, very well. If someone needs help with solos or tough parts, just mail me and I'll reply ASAP. I really get pissed off by jerks who think they've been clever, but who really STINKS! Eat shit, pal.
Morten Refsdal Ingierkollveien 58 N-1410 Kolbotn NORWAY Tlf: 66809510 Mobil: 92022943
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:47:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Let's take this thread the other way....... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960426123919.5155D-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
OK, Lately, *we* have been talking about our views of WDADU being influenced by DT's later stuff.......I *Love* WDADU, so *obviously*, I've been able to get past that roadblock ;-) btw, I think I&W>WDADU>Awake
Ok, so let me turn this around: What do you think about a band releasing a *GREAT* album, and then having everything that follows judged by that standard? I am of the belief that I like Awake the least of the LPs, because it followed my co-#1 all time favorite album (I&W tied w/ U2 Joshua tree) Also happens to me with the Scorpions...fave: Lovedrive vs. least fave: Animal Magnetism (the follow-up)
I guess it's like the aftermath of a LONG relationship....no matter how it ends, any future potential GFs will be judged against the good in the -ex (No, I'm not bitter........)
So what's my point? Am I forever going to judge DT based on the I&W? Am i not going to like future albums because they don't match up to that gem?
I'm rambling and babbling, sorry, exams, lack of sleep etc........ partha
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