YTSEJAM Digest 1485
Today's Topics:
1) Re: VERY IMPORTANT - READ NOW
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
2) oh, one more thing
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
3) yeah!@
by mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
4) Presidents, Ignorance, Ytsecon
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
5) Flames, .Sigs, Coincidences
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
6) Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live"
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
7) Re: yeah!@
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1483
by "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu>
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:54:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
To: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT - READ NOW
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604261205.A15175-0100000@fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us>
A Double CD set of DT!!!! ladies and gents I believe our prays might be
answered!!! Hehe now maybe we can get them to do like 50 for next year
and release a boxed set!!!! hehehe :)
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According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats:
If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e.
A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have
4 sharps.
StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are
they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
NEW HOMEPAGE!!!!
http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN
fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:56:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: oh, one more thing
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960426125059.5155E-100000@seawolf.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> Humm have you ever thought that ..in the early 90's Music like Nirvana
> and Pearl Jam and the likes was labeled alternative and people liked
> alternative because it was not mainstream.. NOW we prog-metal(real)
> music fans should be the ones called alternative..because the whole damn
> "alternative" genre has gone completeley mainstream...it used to be
> bands like those on 120min and shows like that ..now all the friggin
> day on emtpyV.. alternative alternative ... so i guess now WE metal-prog
> fans are the "alternative" fans....
Ummm, Kurt....I would submit that we prog fns have ALWAYS been the
alternative fans....even in the early 1980s, when Yes, Rush, ELP, King
Crimson, etc were having their best days, I don't really think Prog was
considered mainstream, because I don't think the general public
recognized it as PROG, the way they *recognize* alternative as Alternative
But, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about
partha
p.s. Hey Pellaz, that was me with the Angra tidbit....you're welcome
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:01:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: Yitz-see-jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: yeah!@
Message-ID: <Pine.BSD.3.91.960426130025.7599A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
the insanity just keeps on going and going and going...
:)
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Michael B. Ostrich
musical advisor/consultant
ytsejam@op.net
syrinx@dreamt.org
syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu
..and a partridge in a pear tree.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:56:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
To: blim <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 1117 (fwd)
21) Ytse & Jam
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 00:42:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@anthor.arastar.com>
Subject: Ytse & Jam
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91j.951109002344.95129A-100000@homer28.u.washington.edu>
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Ytse & Jam, Dream Theater Fans, Part V
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Ytse: So, X-Files kicks ass?
Jam: Hell yeah!! About as much ass as Trent Reznor!!
Y: Oh geez... Nine Inch Nails...
J: Yeah! NIN is just one guy, but for some STUPID reason, everyone refers
to NIN as "they." It's not a band, it's one guy!! Get with the program,
people!!
Y: Anyway, howabout that Frank character?
J: He flamed EVERYBODY!! That took BALLS!!
Y: Yes, and now he's hated by everybody.
J: "Better to die on our feet than live on our knees!"
Y: "Every man dies, not every man really lives." Okay, I see your point.
J: He and SloppyJoe69 should get together and flame the whole Internet!!
Y: There you go advocating negativity again.
J: Then Bafu Vai will write some crazy shit to all THREE of them! Chop
those fuckers down with the edge of his hand!!
Y: So what do you think of that Bafu Vai fellow?
J: He's cool! He writes CRAZY shit!!
Y: He detracts from the topics a bit.
J: Topics?! I just got 4 FREAKING 'JAMS IN A ROW! And that was just during
Melrose Place!
Y: Your point being?
J: There are too many 'Jams flying around to have actual TOPICS! Threads
maybe, but no topics.
Y: Yes, but all Mr. Bafu Vai does, aside from an occasional transcript or
other tidbit of musical information is (1) crack jokes that make you
forget about the person who pissed you off, but nevertheless drive
everyone off-topic, or (2) piss you off himself!
J: Your point being?
Y: He's like a mosquito-bite on your brain that hurts when you try to
think of something intelligent to post!
J: Yeah, but he's got a cool name! VAI!! Steve Vai kicks ass! He's
Italian, ya know!
Y: Yes he is. Yet another Italian fretboard wizard.
J: Speaking of Melrose Place, "Innocence Faded" sounds just like the
theme-song!
Y: What? It does not. I think it's a beautiful piece of music.
J: Bullshit! Wrong! It sucks! It's too commercial! It sounds like the
themes from Melrose Place, Beverly Hills 90210, AND Wheel of Fortune
ALL at the same time!! It SUCKS!!
Y: You know, Petrucci plays a bit of the Wheel of Fortune theme song in
"Scarred," at 5:30.
J: Yeah, I played Wheel of Fortune last night and screwed EVERYBODY over!
And even with seven new cards in my hand, "Innocence Faded" STILL
sounded like crap!!
Y: You sure you're a Dream Theater fan?
J: Of course! I'm on the Ytsejams Mailing List, aren't I?
Y: Yes, but you don't have to be here if you really have nothing but
negative anger to contribute.
J: Hey, is my name Frank? Hello? I'm Jam! Where would YOU be without me?
You'd just be "Ytse!" What the hell is "Ytse?!" Is that more Greek or
something?
Y: I think it's a type of poisonous fly, but I'm not sure...
J: At least I'm a real word! "JAM!!" Like GRAPE-, or TRAFFIC-, or
-SESSION, or -THEIR FREQUENCY, MR. SULU!!
Y: It takes two wings to fly. I think both of us are needed to make
"Ytsejam," right?
J: Yeah, yeah, whatever. When is Acoustic Dreams going to arrive?? I
swear I'm going to take hostages at the post office if it doesn't get
here quick!!
Y: It'll arrive with the Third.
J: The Third? The Third WHAT?
Y: Dance.
J: Huh? Is that a request?
Y: No, the Third Dance.
J: Which is?
Y: Well, (breaks into song) "the THAAAAAAAAAD is Loooh-hove!!"
J: Love? Courtney Love?!! DAMMIT, I HATE--
Y: No no no... "LAAAAAAAV is the daaance, HAV-VY-TANEH-DEEEEEEEE!!!"
J: Whoah... Cool!
Y: Thank you. I've been working on getting the pronunciations right for
about six months now.
J: That was almost as cool as...Jagermeister!!
Y: Jagermeister?! What does Jagermeister have to do with Love?
J: JAGER!! It's Portnoy's favorite drink!
Y: Yikes. That stuff can fuel lawnmowers for hours.
J: Right, that's how he does his wild drumming! He's Animal, you know,
like from the Muppets?
Y: I suppose. But he doesn't have red hair, though.
J: Yeah, Animal has fiery red hair! Like Tori Amos!!
Y: She's cool.
J: She plays the piano! Pianos are cool! She and Kevin should do an album
together!! Or a porno!!
Y: What?? A minute ago you said you didn't like Tori Amos.
J: Well I'm WAFFLING! So sue me! Tori Amos rules!
Y: I take it that now you like Kevin Moore's demos all of a sudden, too?
J: Kevin Moore rocks!!! That new guy can NEVER replace him!!
Y: Derek Sherinian?
J: Yeah, whoever the FUCK he is. He's got no chops! He's nothing!
Y: Come on, all we've heard him on is "A Change Of Seasons." How can you
tell with so little time?
J: Can you believe they took out "PLEASE DON'T GO!!" That was my favorite
part! I HATE the new version! It's not like the REAL version from those
two bootlegs...
Y: But really, how can you tell after so little time that Derek won't work
out?
J: I just CAN. I don't need TIME! If he can learn all those parts in a
matter of months, then I can decide if he has skill or not in a matter
of months!! "LOGIC!!"
Y: Ah, not exactly...
J: Yeah, yeah, I told you, I don't speak Greek! Anyway, I remember Derek's
live solo, all slick-haired, no-shirt, black-leather-vest-wearing
pretty boy! He's the reason DT didn't play "Scarred!"
Y: What? How come?
J: Pretty Boy Derek couldn't learn it! And when they toured, he missed all
his cues!
Y: "All" his cues?
J: Yeah! ALL OF THEM!! The whole concert I saw, he was playing
"Chopsticks" or some other ditty while the other four members of the
band were glaring at him and getting real mad and stuff. Myung kept
looking over at him and screaming obscenities!
Y: Myung doesn't speak.
J: Oh, yeah, well then James was screaming at him! He'd lean in real
close during a song and shout the chorus into Derek's face to get him
on-track! He leaned in once and shouted, "Caught in a WEEEEEEBDEREKWHAT
THEFUCKAREYOUDOIIIING??!!" It was cool! I have the bootleg where he
says that!
Y: You know, James doesn't approve of bootlegs. Neither does Petrucci.
J: What?! They're trying to keep the music from their fans!! "Only buy our
albums, blah blah blah!" They don't want the fans to get as much music
as they can. See? They're not doing it for the love, they're doing it
for the money! SELLOUTS!!
Y: You and your sellouts. Sometimes I wonder why DT writes any music at
all with people like you running around. You're worse than someone who
hates DT and likes other things, you're someone professing to be a DT
fan, then you slander them like Nikki Sixx unto Metallica.
J: Yeah, that Sixx guy needs to get his ass kicked!! He and Jason
Fickett!! Who do they think they are, anyway, thinking they're entitled
to opinions and stuff? Let's get Trent Reznor and Glenn Danzig to track
them down and kick their asses! Danzig ROCKS!!
Y: You mentioned him before. Portnoy mentioned Danzig once, along with
some other heavy metal, grindcore-ish bands.
J: Heavy metal rules! Balls and chunk is where it's at!!
Y: Yes, that quote had a lot of spontanUity to it. I think Portnoy also
mentioned Napalm Death. Those guys make an appearance on LaBrie's shirt
in the "Pull Me Under" video.
J: Napalm Death!! They do that "Mystery Track" on Subconscious!! That's a
cool song!!
Y: That short, oriental-sounding, five-second thing?
J: That's Napalm Death! Do those guys ROCK or what??
Y: That track isn't a band, it's from a computer game.
J: What? DT's into computers, now? Huh, I guess "Caught In A Web" could
be about the World Wide Web and web-pages and stuff.
Y: No, no, no. That track is... Forget it.
Bafu Vai
End of YTSEJAM Digest 1117
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Presidents, Ignorance, Ytsecon
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426095958.124174F-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
> From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1472
>
> No, _anything_ by Presidents Of The USA is the stupidest song ever
> written. If you were to graph the relative intelligence of songs, and
> expand the chart to include POTUSA, it would look like this:
>
> * (POTUSA) (monkey banging on bongos)* (all else)* *(prog)
> +----------------------------------------------+--------------+--+
LOL! Genius. (that means don't mistake Chris Oates for lack of talent)
> So, Nirvana is statistically close to DT, on this chart. :)
Eh. True.
> And, while we're on the topic of Alternajunk, let's not forget that YES
> and QUEENSRYCHE can still sell out arenas. At least, in the Bay Area
> they can. I doubt that all those people filling up the San Jose Arena
> were either 1) die hard Sharks fans just camping out, or 2)
> Type-O-Negative fans.
Whoah. Another TON reference.
---- > From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> > Subject: FlameFest II > > Well obviously some people like merlo can't put 2 and 2 together. Talk > about ignorance.Sheesh, I know what you mean. Like when someone has owed you tapes for over a year, and you haven't heard from them in months, and you have no way of contacting them, and you don't know anyone who can, but you STILL complain about it.
Yeah, I hate that. Talk about ignorance.
Sorry, just had to skewer one of you since everyone seems to be taking sides. I think you're both right. So nyaa-nyaa-nyaah. :P
> "99% of alternative bands have no talent whatsoever." > --for those who can't understand: this means 1% are good/have talent > > "OK, I do admit that I like some alternative bands." > --once again:this means that I like the 1% who are good and have talent > > Do you understand merlo?
My mom speaks merlo, but I never really picked it up growing up in America...
MERLO, MUTHAFUCKA, DO YOU SPEAK IT??
> 1% = some; maybe I should have said a few, or a couple, or what? > > This is all my opinion. merlo has stated his opinion by cussing me out > because of my opinion.
So in order to have a viewpoint, all one must do is counter someone else's? If you tell me "the spoon is not hot," it doesn't automatically mean that you think the spoon is cold. But that isn't what you meant. Oops.
> There is really nothing else which needs to be said about this, BUT I > know that merlo will have to have the last word. Yep, mr brainchild will > have to have the last word. What will merlo call me this time?
Probably a bongo-banging monkey.
> Be a man, merlo and give it a rest.
Be a digital man, merlo and keep coming back like an annoying bastard.
Did I just sting both of them in one reply? I'm sorry, that wasn't my intent. I meant to fully slam that nincompoop Digital Man. Oh well, no one's perfect.
---- > From: borlangw <borlangw@dcs.gla.ac.uk> > Subject: Cons > > I want one between June 4th and June 16th, please. Somewhere hot and > sunny. > > Thank you.
Jeff's taking requests? Cool.
I want one between 9am and noon. I want one between two really big slices of rye bread. I want one between the devil and the deep blue sea. I want one between the Prudential rock and that looker from the "Barb Wire" poster. I want one between the 17th and 18th frets.
I want one with a little more cream, please.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:07:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Flames, .Sigs, Coincidences Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.92a.960426100158.124174G-100000@homer15.u.washington.edu>
> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> > Subject: Lot's of stuff... > > First off... Corey E. Cleary. This is way out of hand. At least > DreamNDay's posts had *some* value. Here's a breakdown of Corey on the > last 'jam: # of posts: 3 > # of lines he typed, total: 4 3% > # of lines in headers, total: 15 13% > # of quoted lines, total: 53 45% > # of .sig lines, total: 33 28% > > Of that, the amount of relevant info: 1 line (He wants WDaTU)
You forgot a few, Pat.
# of posts written purely to flame someone else: 0 0%
Of those, amount responding childishly to flames: 0 lines.
It'd be pretty neat if other people were like this. (There was a time when you were the new guy around here, Pat old buddy.)
> Some responses to Corey: > >I might have the spare cash, BUT I need a copy of WDATU. Can anyone > >help?? > > Yes, Corey. Send me the $5000, and I will see to it that you get a copy > of WDaDU. In fact, I'll gift wrap it.
Actually, Corey, this isn't true.
Pat won't really gift wrap it. :)
> >>later, > >>Cory > >>Just to let everyone know that might me confuzzed, this is not me. > > We know that already: > a.) The headers say so (From: swanson@henge.com (Sheila Swanson)) > b.) It's signed "Cory", not "Corey E. Cleary" > c.) The post was relevant, interesting, and humorous. > d.) The author didn't get flamed for posting 6 times in the same > digest and not including anything that anyone wants to hear.
Gee, I'm not flaming him. Who's flaming him, Pat?
> Corey, I have a solution for your problem. You can get counseling by > sending the message "unsubscribe ytsejam Corey Cleary" to > "ytsejam-request@ax.com" with a subject of "asdf" Good luck. :)
You know, I've been having back pains, do you think this will help?
> ----------------ON-TO-OTHER-THINGS-----------------
Whoah, you have a goal other than ripping on the new guy?
> Jeff: I'd like the idea of a summer get together. If I can't make the > one you plan, I'll be in NY and avalible on the 6th of June. To all my > NY/LI IRC pals, we have to plan something for that day. Maybe a dinner, > or something. Maybe we can all just get together and T.P. Jeff's house.
June 6th...cool people have birthdays on June 6th...
> About the Cons: > Stop complaining. Not everyone can go, that's a given.
Coming from the master of tranquility himself.
Stop complaining about our complaints.
> To Damon: I have a pic to use for you. It's a surprise. >:)
I'm laughing on the inside right now... ;>
> The Spring Theory: > 95% of all female college co-eds look better in shorts. > The remaining 5% are fat. :)
Hmm. Mind if I test this theory by ogling women from my balcony with a telescope and a box of doughnuts tomorrow? It's supposed to be sunny...
> To Corey: see.... only one post....
Whoah. I think I have some semaphores around here somewhere if this doesn't work... :)
---- > From: eyl7720 <eyl7720@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> > Subject: Another Ytsecon, Overkill, > > Finally I would like to request that everyone make their sigs twice > as long. Whats wrong with you people? Real sigs should take up two > screens, not just one. :)
If you insist...
---- > From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > Subject: Coincidences > > Funny how things work out. I was reading the last Jam and listening to > Rush's "Moving Pictures." While reading a certain post, one particular > line from "Witch Hunt" caught my ear: > > "Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand" > > Maybe it's just me, or my uncanny luck with Rush relating to life so > damned well. I dunno.
Yeah, it sure is funny how things work out, Chris. I was reading the last Jam and listening to the Spin Doctors' "Homebelly Groove - Live!" While reading a certain post, a few particular lines from "Yo Mamas A Pajama" caught my ear:
"Yo mama's a pajama! Yo mama's a llama! And yo daddy's a catty! And yo sister's a blister!"
Maybe it's just the Spin Doctors, or the Ytsejam digest's uncanny pattern of its dialogues relating to nursery-namecalling so damn well. I dunno.
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: keyboard music - start of "learning to live" Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960426100626.16105B-100000@noc.cerf.net>
> Hold on sir, first of all this song is definitely NOT in F sharp, but in F#. > And your intro seem to be a little wrong you see, 'cause you really have > missed out a few # and a couple of notes. Try cleaning your ears, that'll > maybe help.
Who the hell is this guy ??? F# and F sharp are one and the same genius.. if you're picking apart sematics in the way someone talks about music.. then you're missing the point of music in general. Music is about expression.. not about bashing people if they don't talk about it the way you'd like.
> Well sir, this part is NOT hard to play unless you are a complete piece of > shit. So may I come with a suggestion? LISTEN and UNDERSTAND their music > before you come along and present your wrong material. I've played the > extended version of "Learning To Live" for almost two years now, so I now > that, and about every other Dream Theater song very, very well. If someone > needs help with solos or tough parts, just mail me and I'll reply ASAP. I > really get pissed off by jerks who think they've been clever, but who really > STINKS! Eat shit, pal.
Try not to hurt yourelf patting yourself on the back cheesehead. It's people like you who really detract from the enjoyment of music. You're the same kind of person who goes to a DT show and pisses and moans if somebody misses a note or doesn't play their part perfectly, completely missing the fact that it was just plain an enjoyable show.
Lighten up asshole..
Doug Cronkhite
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:19:06 -0400 (EDT) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@freenet.tlh.fl.us> To: mike <syrinx@astro.ocis.temple.edu> Subject: Re: yeah!@ Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604261335.H15175-0100000@fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us>
I'm still laughing my ass off!!! Hahaha Ytse and Jam Rules!!! Go Bafu!!!!
---------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major would have 4 sharps. StatisticZ show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :)
"Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke)
Eric Moegling: afn22909@freenet.ufl.edu
emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu
NEW HOMEPAGE!!!! http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN
fOr MoRE nFo AboUT mE fIngEr: emoeglin@freenet.scri.fsu.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:19:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ytse' Jim" <jlutz@hartford.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1483 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960426131623.19711B-100000@jabba>
>Andrew J Feyder <afeyder@gac.edu> >> He said that they want to release them all but the only way to >> do it would be a double-cd. We, the Internet Community of Jammers,
> Although I'm sure you have the best intentions, I'm not sure how >good the idea of sending a petition to DT to get them to record a double >CD is. I think they might consider it badgering.
What are you Talkin about?!?! Are you Mental? He said that _*THEY*_ want to release them, We are sendin the petition to the Record Company!
================================================================ /// "What may appear might easily be explained, \\\ /// but given the situation of info saturation, \\\ /// what you feel can never go away" - Queensryche \\\ -- -- \\\ Jim Lutz E-Mail: YtseJim@dreamt.org /// \\\ jlutz@hartford.edu /// \\\ lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu /// ================================================================
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