YTSEJAM Digest 1501
Today's Topics:
1) Bahr-day & other NDTC stuff... again...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/29/96 - 23:31:40" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) no alternative...
by Durindfire@aol.com
4) Ronnie Scott's
by Alpine <alpine@negia.net>
5) Drum Transcriptions would rock!
by dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Kilgore)
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by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) Faith No More Tabs....Bye Alan
by Alan Estrada <al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
8) I've always wanted to mention this...
by Deebor@aol.com
9) Re: transcriptions
by Deebor@aol.com
10) Live LaBrie
by Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu>
11) tumeni tots
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) Double entendres and Alanis
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 23:18:04 +-200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'\"Love & Peace\"-Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bahr-day & other NDTC stuff... again...
Message-ID: <01BB3627.7EACD120@ppp142.GlobalXS.nl>
First off...
H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y
M I K E B A H R !
Y O U R U L E !
$ $ $ $ $
_I_ _I_ _I_ _I_ _I_
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| YoU TaKe ThE CaKe!! |
| (BEER's day-off) |
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Normally Itchy's dog (BEER) would by sleeping on top of this cake,
but it's his day off... (Rip knows what I'm talking about)
---On Jam #1497, Augie said: > Around 2 weeks ago, my computer went down on me.
Where can *I* find such a computer ? :-D Maybe I won't need a GF after all...
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About Jon Kretschmer's "Listen Up...I have the answer!"-post: JOn yOu FuCkInG iDiOt, I'aM gOnNa FlAmE yOuR aSs oF tHe jAm!!!! ;-)
Seriously, I really loved those jokes !!! Jon, You rule ! That one about God being an engineer was my favourite.
BTW, can someone call *me* an asshole on the jam ? I feel so left out... No one ever flames me... :( well, except Scott Cook a while back... But that one wasn't so bad... (Hi Scott, you too rule...)
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MISSING CONCEPT ALBUMS:
Marillion -- Misplaced Childhood Marillion -- Clutching At Straws Marillion -- Brave Marillion -- Afraid Of Sunlight (somewhat)
(I typed this before reading Jam #1498... But it never hurts to give Marillion that little extra bit of exposure they need so badly... Especially in the US)
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On Jam #1497, Elliott Kim said:
> can you suggest a fingering for that big-ass Bmin7-type thingie? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gheez! Please take that one to private E-mail, ok? ;-)
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Our buddy Skadz said on Jam #1498
> The Petition:
> Its dead. Ibanez said that management won't allow a 2 disc > set and in 48 hours we had about 180 people sign up which definately > isn't gonna get us 2 CDs anyways.
If the amount of people signing is the problem... I could ask those guys on the Marillion list to sign it... There probably are some DT fans over there too. Everyone with a DT-homepage could put a link to the petition on it. We could spread the rumour through several prog-rock sites etc. Send the info to the DT-newsgroup... We could even post an article on the QUEENSRYCHE NEWSGROUP !!! (wouldn't that be fun) ;-)
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Tomorrow it'll be 'Koninginnedag' in Holland (30th) ! That's when we celebrate our Queen's birthday... despite of the fact that she was born in Januari !!! (it was actually her mother's real birthday, our previous queen...). NDTC, just a fun fact... + a day off from work !!!
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I think I'm going to unsubscribe due to a severe lack of flames in the last one or two Ytsejams... It's just no fun anymore... What's next ? DTC ?!? Gheezz...
PS. Love you all... You all Fuckin' Rule... Except that one guy... what's his name... oh well... :-) (just kidding of course)
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Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy) Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org ________________________________________________________________________ Tell me I'm mad. How should I know ? |Doesn't take /\_____ Tell me I'm mad. I have been here for so long |Much to RIP / \____ Help me paint a picture. Then say it's a lie |Us Into / \___ Tell me I'm mad ! You're a fine one to decide..... |Pieces... Cpq D \__ Marillion - Goodbye to all that / Mad (Brave) |TORI-LE (>C< ) \_ ___________________________________________________|________/ ^ \
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:30:16 EDT From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/29/96 - 23:31:40" <response@ibmmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mail Item Format Warning Message-ID: <199604292229.PAA18359@mindcrime.ax.com>
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:55:48 -0400 From: Durindfire@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: no alternative... Message-ID: <960429185545_103008911@emout14.mail.aol.com>
It is a dark time for the rebellion...
I recently opened a copy of Entertainment Weekly to find that Rage Against the Machine's new album is number one this week. They also recieved good reviews from the critics, who defined their music as containing "angst" and "raw power." Is it just me, or does this suddenly defy everything the band stands for? Just a few months ago I felt like I was the only person who knew that the band existed. Also, Marilyn Manson is promoting their new album on MTV as the "kings of hard-core." It's a shame to see the bands I thought were truly talented and had a good cult following suddenly become another part of the 'alternative' bandwagon. I still enjoy their music, of course. But being a part of their fan base doesn't mean as much anymore. The reason I'm saying this is because during the past few months on the Jam, I have observed many elaborate schemes to get Dream Theater more exposure. Over the years, Dream Theater has managed to maintain a considerable following without becoming too popular. When their new album comes out in October, DT will find themselves in a sea of promotion, and they just might have a hit single on their hands. If that happens, and I do stress IF, we will suddenly have a TON of newbies on the Jam, each one more annoying than the last. The fact of a DT fan mailing list might lose its luster. Consider it "post-success depression." So..... savor every moment of pop-culture-free bandwidth, for it is Only a Matter of Time. (had to be said)
All of this, of course is IMHO.
currently knee-deep in the system's shit, Dave. (NOT the anti-ytsejam)
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:02:30 -0400 From: Alpine <alpine@negia.net> To: Ed <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ronnie Scott's Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960429230230.006abb18@negia.net>
>I've not seen this being discussed before, but I wasn't at the gig and >haven't heard any other versions of the songs other than those on ACOS, so >I don't know about those tracks specifically, BUT what I want to know is >have DT re-recorded (in the studio) certain parts of their live tracks >(vocals specifically) before releasing them. It jst strikes me as strange >when on every bootleg of DT i've heard, James has been struggling with the >long, high notes, but on LatM, LiT, and ACOS he sings them fine. Was anyone >at the Marquee gig or the Tokyo gig who remembers whether James actually >sang like that on the night?
Ordinarily I'd say this is blasphemy, but I just got this Ronnie Scott's gig and think there might be something to it, but only on this one. I've heard audience boots from the LatM and LiT and he sounds great. He doesn't sound so good on this London cover gig. He leaves out improvs that we hear on ACOS and pinches on several high notes which doens't happen on the CD. Anyone got any inside info? As a vocalist myself this would kinda be a setback as James' is probably my favorite singer. :(
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:00:24 -0500 From: dasanche@students.wisc.edu (Kilgore) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Drum Transcriptions would rock! Message-ID: <199604292300.SAA107932@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
To jammers it may concern,
I'll help out doing the drum transcriptions...I've got a lot of Mike's shit down...I don't remember who posted that, but I'll help.
Kilgore ****************************************************************************
"They rally round the family with pockets full of shells." -Rage Against the Machine "Turn on tha radio, nah fuck it...turn it off, fear is your only god." -Rage Against the Machine
In my 3-disc changer right now:
Dream Theater: Mind Control Faith No More: The Real Thing Rage Against the Machine: Evil Empire ****************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:17:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960429180142.2648A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
Jonathan Goad wrote: >Subject: Request from Metal Blade (fwd)
I'm going to spare you all the agony of quoting from this post, but really! Jon, what it absolutely necessary to include that entire message, 3 screens of headers and all!?
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I have finally put my demonic pic on the WWW. This will basicaly only be fun for those who already think I look like Satan. Of course, if you don't already think so, this could convince you! >:) Check it out:
http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/~c675311/satan.gif
The file is full screen and clocks in at 141K, but it's damn funny. Ranks right up there with my Ace Ventura pic (for those who haven't seen that, just replace "satan.gif" with "patace.gif")
Let me know what you all think. >:)
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 14:31:05 -0600 From: Alan Estrada <al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx> To: angry_chair@halcyon.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Faith No More Tabs....Bye Alan Message-ID: <199604292031.OAA93459@academ01.mty.itesm.mx>
Anyone has a FNM tab? I'm interested in getting EPIC that's a great song!
Any tab for Alice in Chains? I want whatever you have since I don't have nothing...
for Dream Theater? ACOS, Big Medley, Learning to Live, Anything that wasn't at OLGA
visit ftp server:
mirrors.aol.com
there are images, sound bites, tabs and whatever you want from your favorite group...
try /pub/ directory...
Thanks, and emailme privately!
Stay cool... at least somebody's cool as you @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ ___ _ @ Alan Estrada Adler @ / | | | @ @ | | | | __ _ _ @al766074@academ01.mty.itesm.mx@ | | |/ / | / |/ | @ @ \__/\_/|__/\_/|_/ | |_/ @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:22:56 -0400 From: Deebor@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I've always wanted to mention this... Message-ID: <960429192255_103030526@emout08.mail.aol.com>
>Is it just me, or does CD sound like Elmer Fudd on LFaGA whem he sings >"lying bleeding in the dark..."... It sounds to me like "Lying bweeding.."...
I think the second time he sings it, Charlie sounds like "With a thirst for revenge and a dangerous fart"! While I'm at it, does anyone else hear James sing "The bride subsides to her sturvival" in UAGM?
George Fan deebor@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:23:21 -0400 From: Deebor@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: transcriptions Message-ID: <960429192320_103030853@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Okay, this is how I believe it goes: TTT keyboard part:
c# G# F# d# c# F# f f# c# F# g# a# f# c# B A# G# D# A# c G# c# d# D# C# (D# c# c)triplet G# d# g# c g# B F# C# D# B e f# F# e (f# e d#) B f# b d# b f# e B A F# A d f# g# e B G# g#(pitch bend)
repeat first three lines, then: B e f# e B A B e b a A B A d e f# c#(pitch bend?)
You're welcome.:)
George Fan deebor@aol.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 18:24:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Ed Reed <ereed@comp.uark.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Live LaBrie Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960429175904.27111B-100000@comp.uark.edu>
> In Jam 1499, Ed brought up the possibility that DT re-records live stuff > ala Kiss before releasing it. Well, I have no idea, but I'd like to > propose a theory. You mentioned how good James sounds on albums and on > LiT and LatM, but he sometimes sounds like shit on boots. I thought > about that a minute, and came up with [Digital Theory Deleted]
My theory on this matter is that if they did re-record some of the stuff they didn't do enough (on LiT, LatM, etc). The cover tunes on ACOS I would have to agree sound a little too good for James, but Live at the Marquee and Images and Words: Live in Tokyo definitely have mistakes by James left on them. Before I saw DT live, LiT and LatM were the only live material I'd heard by the band and I was *very* aware of the fact that Mr. LaBrie is first and foremost a _studio_ musician. He's got a great voice, he knows how to use it well, but sometimes he just doesn't get a note quite right in a live setting. I think that some of the boots just caught him on a little worse of a night than did LatM and LiT, but there are spots on Live in Tokyo especially where I cringe a bit at the vocal delivery.
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> I have seen QR live three times and there has been an appalling lack of > creativity in both their guitar playing and in their live > arrangements. While DT often adds different arrangements and > extends songs (and JP is, of course, a deity), QR > plods through trying to duplicate what they produced in the studio. > Frequently, guitar solos are played virtually "note-by-note" the same > as on the studio versions. The last tour was indeed interesting > visually, but musically they just dont cut it. (Should they have gone > to Berklee ?? :-) >
While I agree with you that QR doesn't improvise much in a live setting, I think you are being a little bit harsh on them for it. First off, look at the video and theatre spectacle that they put on *while* performing said music 'note-by-note'. You can't just decide to extend a guitar solo if you're playing along with a pre-recorded videotape. I give them great credit for being able to pull off the synchronization of the music with the video, while still performing the tunes 'note-for-note'. I also think that Queensryche has a different focus to their music than Dream Theater does. Dream Theater loves complex solos and all the little intricacies that they add to their music... Queensryche tends to go at it more from a 'composing' standpoint rather than a 'jamming' standpoint. They seem to have specific goals for their songs, and if the song fulfills that purpose then there is no need for an extended solo to show off Michael or Chris's guitar skills. They write good stuff, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that if they *wanted* to change the songs they are capable of doing so, but that they choose to leave the song the way it was originally intended.
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> From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) > > 1. Being A Musician Does Not Make You an Authority > > To no one in specific, I have seen the opinions of some > people qualified by his/her standing in the music business. > I don't mean to get personal, but so what if someone toured > internationally? So what if their record was number one in > Timbuktu? Tim Lodge mentioned the New Kids on the Block. > Would we value their opinions any more than our own? And > if the answer is yes, I believe we should look in the mirror > and decide once and for all WHY we value a celebrity's > opinion more than the common man's in this county. (EOS) > End of sermon.
Thank you for expressing this sentiment. Most of us will agree that some sort of background in music (degree, experience, etc) is beneficial, but just like has been said time and time before: it's no guarantee. I took piano lessons for somewhere in the neighborhood of 12 years... does that suddenly make my musical opinions/beliefs better than the average schmuck with no background whatsoever? I don't think so... Music is art... art is subjective... anytime you go waving your credentials around to try to impress someone to your point of view, all you are doing is saying, 'Hey, my _opinion_ is better than your _opinion_' ... which may or may not be true.
DrX -- aka Death
m-----------i---------------------------------------------n---------------\ | You've come to see the doctor, cause I'll show you the cure. | | I'm gonna take away the questions, yeah I'm gonna make you sure. | I=d======Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime=============c===========r=====I | | ereed@comp.uark.edu | | I'm the new messiah, Death Angel with a gun. | drx@reich.uark.edu | | Dangerous in my silence, deadly to my cause. | ehr@engr.uark.edu | \----i-m------------------------------------------------------e-----------/
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:37:02 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: tumeni tots Message-ID: <19960429233700.AAA12045@mail.pananet.com>
Here are some thoughts that have been on my mind lately... maybe one of them will stimulate some interesting conversation.
1) I realized that Rush is a good way to introduce people to prog rock... at least that's how I got introduced. First, I heard Roll the Bones... I liked it but I didn't go crazy over it. Then I got Presto; I liked it more than RtB, but it still didn't do it for me. THEN I got Counterparts... I loved it. I figure i liked it so much because I wasn't really expecting anything. But the point is that Counterparts prompted me to get Chronicles which introduced me to all the 'eras' of Rush's music. And ended up liking the progressive era the most... so I immediately tried to get a hold of 2112, FtK, Hemispheres, etc... After I got Rush overload, I needed to hear more prog, and I started to listen to I&W again. ( I already liked it, but this time I REALLY liked it). And as luck would have it, a couple weeks later, as telling my friend "Jeez I can't wait for the next album"... And my friend that it already had and he had seen an ad in a 'zine. Needless to say I immediately bought Awake. Oddly enough, the exact same thing happened w/ ACOS... same friend and everything... spooky, huh?
2) Am I the only one on this list that feels annoyed when people label us as the 'Genaration X'? (I figured this topic could go on here since the whole grunge thing is related to it... and since most of us don't particularly love grunge..). Supposively, we don't know what we want out of life, but I personally know what *I* want and what *I* want to do w/ my life ( Anthem's still in my mind, eh Scotch?:) ) So I feel rather insulted when they try to lump me in this huge generalization.
3) I've realized lately that when I'm thinking about getting into a serious relationship w/ a member of the opposite sex, I take a lot of consideration as to what her views on music are. Notice I didn't say 'taste'. I just figure that since music is such an important part of my life, my partner should at least see more in music than just a form of entertainment that you get in the background when you go to disco's... Am I nuts, or are there other musicians that feel this way?
just a thought...
---------------------------------- "No contaban con mi astucia!" Ernie
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Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:39:00 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Double entendres and Alanis Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604291932.B9688-0100000@newton.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> > Subject: Testing something > > Don't mind me > > fuck > shit > FUCK > SHIT > > Just playing with something.
You know, you can go blind doing that! ----
> From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) > Subject: Many comments and opinions. Alas, NDTC > > 04/29/96 - A good day to be alive, no?
Yeah, only four more days till final exams kill me.
> 6. Alanis Morrisette > > I had the misfortune of having to listen to this in my wife's car > yesterday, > coming back from the Caps game. (Or, should I say, Pens game) I asked > her why she bought this slab 'o mierda, and she said two reasons: > a. It was free from the record club and b. She could actually sing better > than AM, so it was an ego booster. I honestly can't understand the appeal > here. Does anyone actually like her out there? If so, please explain.
I first heard Alanis on the radio with that "going down on you in a theater" song. I was immediately hooked - not because of her, but because of that bass line, which I guessed correctly was played by Flea. Since the new RHCP hadn't come out yet, and I was wearing BSSM out, I turned this song up everytime it came on the radio. And, you know, eventually Alanis' voice grew on me. Then more singles started coming out, and I gave 'em a listen hoping to hear more Flea. Well, there isn't any more Flea on the album, I found out, but by then I had grown accustomed to her voice. I really like the harmonies in that "Isn't it ironic" song.
The same kind of thing happened to me with the Presidents. Had I known the first time I heard "She's Lump" that the bass player only uses two strings, I probably would have written them off. But I heard the song and liked it. Then I heard that they only string their instruments halfway, and it was like, "Oh, cool."
Before you go jumping down my throat, did anyone ever say to themselves that people with AIDS can't or shouldn't play pro sports? Then what happened after Magic came out? It didn't matter, because we already knew he was Magic. Well, it's the same thing with me and these bands. I didn't know that Alanis was a babe, or that the Presidents don't string up their instruments, because I blissfully lack eMpTyV. All I know is that I like the way that stuff sounds. I don't know if they smoke crack or boil each other's brains, and I don't particularly care. They write stuff that I can tap my foot to and sing along with.
You should try this for yourselves. Try to not watch MTV for about three months, and just listen to the radio. You'll discover that there's a whole bunch of "alternacrap" out there that's really good. You'll get to listen to it without your opinions being tainted by "Oh, they're an MTV band" or whatever. I mean, Seven Mary Three, Everclear, Spacehog - there's some good sounding stuff out there. Just stop watching and listen. You'll surprise yourself.
> 7. End of Jam > > I have a theory. First of all, if you receive the digest one-by-one you > can get a feel for how much space has been taken up. If you know the > digest is generated ever 25,000 or so bytes, it's pretty easy to time it. > Also, if you write a long enough post, you are almost guaranteed. We'll > see. No calculations have been made, because I get the digest. > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1500 > **************************
Uh huh. No calculations? :)
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