YTSEJAM Digest 1507
Today's Topics:
1) Rush list stuff (about 2CD set of DT)
by rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan T. Good)
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/01/96 - 02:13:56" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) The Beatles and EOJ
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
4) James...
by Adam <alpine@negia.net>
5) Singing
by kingfrog@prolog.net
6) Re: Live Concerts
by blane@nla.gov.au
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1504
by ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Ytsejams 1404, 1405
by FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1505
by KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu
10) Re:'JAM 1496
by hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal)
11) Re: Cairo, Magellan, other bands
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
12) Subconcious!!
by James Patrick Beck <portny@ksu.ksu.edu>
13) Guess What, this isn't spam! Only 100% pure ingrediants!
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
14) Marillion Tribute
by Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu>
15) Guitar albums
by Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 20:05:52 -0500
From: rtgood@students.wisc.edu (Ryan T. Good)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush list stuff (about 2CD set of DT)
Message-ID: <199605010105.UAA115210@audumla.students.wisc.edu>
Hello All-
I thought all of you interested in backing/not backing the 2CD DT
petition should hear what is going on at the National Midnight Star. Here's
one of 2 posts:
>Hello all,
>For those of you who like Dream Theater, listen up:
>
> Dream Theater Recent News
>
> >________________________________________________________>_________
>
> Dream Theater internet fans are getting together for a petition to
> have Dream Theater record a DOUBLE CD set!! For more information, >go
> to the page that Skadz set up at http://www.dreamt.org/dt2disc.html.
> We need everyone's help for this! If we can get Dream Theater to
> record A Change of Seasons, then we can do this to!
>Go to this site and SIGN UP!!
*Here's the next post (2/2)*
> ...here are the details I promised...
>
> Sign the Petition for a Dream Theater DOUBLE CD
>
> _________________________________________________________________
>
> John Petrucci at his clinic in Ohio said that Dream Theater has 20
> songs written for their new album, so now they need our help again.
> We, the 'Net Community of Dream Theater fans, got ACOS recorded in the
> studio and now we must help the band again. John has asked us to write
> the record company to get the next Dream Theater album to be a Double
> CD, so we can here ALL 20 songs. Please fill out the information below
> to have your name added to the list of fans who have already signed
> up.
>DT fans, run - don't walk - to that site and sign up!
I don't know what this might have to do with anything, but we this
whole petition thing could either turn into:
1. an amazing masterpiece
OR
2. an incredible tragedy
It seems, to me, that there's too much *fan involvement* in this whole idea
of the 2 cd deal. (all in my own opinion). In my own words, we could be
creating a monster, good or bad. What do you all feel about this??
________________________________________________
"I've got a pocket full of kryptonite"
________________________________________________
name - Ryan T. Good
e-mail - rtgood@students.wisc.edu
phone - 1-(608)-264-2268
what - Madison Student Radio
who - Music Staff (Music Stapher)
which kind - Progressive Rock/Heavy Metal
why - why not?
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:12:32 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 05/01/96 - 02:13:56" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:13:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Beatles and EOJ
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9604302124.B28102-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
> Subject: New UPDATE and Other Neat Things
>
> And about The Beatles. I know they're supposed to be the fathers
> of all pop music and thus all rock, and we're all supposed to like them,
> but am I alone in saying they suck? I mean, their songs are all so trite
> and contrived, swaying from simplistic to silly without a worthwhile
> thought in between. And their riffs and chops are so basic, they're
> taught to beginners nowadays. About the only album I was _briefly_ able
IMO, that's what makes them great. First, you have to understand that
they virtually invented rock (along with the Stones, Dylan, and the
Guthries). I think that not having anything to live up to helped them to
be more expressive. Their vocal melodies were over the top, their chord
choice, IMO, was just amazing, and they did it all with 60's recording
equipment. I'm a bass player, but when I decided that it was time to
teach myself acoustic guitar, I started with a Beatles book. Not only do
you learn damn near every guitar chord under the sun, but you learn how
they go together. Sure, their riffs were basic at times, but hey! They
were too busy inventing rock and roll to bother with complex phrasings! :)
I won't even mention the huge impact that the Beatles have had on all
music (not just rock), because that's a different discussion. But I
think that John and Paul wrote some great songs. They stick in your head
all day, they're easy to sing along to, easy to dance to (which was tres
important then), and exceedingly well-written. I don't think it gets
much better than that.
----> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> > Subject: stuff > > >since I'm complaining about not getting the last spot, that just about > >guarantees that THIS post will get it. Right? :) > [a little later] > >------------------------------ > > > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1504 > >************************** > > Evidently so. :) > > ["And isn't it ironic? ... Doncha think?"] > > ------------------------------ > > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1505 > **************************
Now THAT'S ironic! :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:55:36 -0400 From: Adam <alpine@negia.net> To: yitzik <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: James... Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960501015536.006ab058@negia.net>
>So if you were wondering why he sounds better on the album or at the >beginning of a tour, those are probably the reasons. Sure, there could be >others. SO hopefully this helps to clarify the situation and end a >meaningless debate.
Umm, what was the debate, meaningless or otherwise? We know all of these reasons why James doesn't sound great at the end of a tour already. The debate was over the relative merits of rerecording live material and calling it a "Live" album. It was never over reasons why James' quality fluctuates. Reading skills, my friend, are the basis for any forum appearing in writing.
(Sorry, very tired tonite...)
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:41:41 -0400 (EDT) From: kingfrog@prolog.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Singing Message-ID: <199605010241.WAA08685@ns1.ptd.net>
I have something I'd like to add to all the comments on James Labrie's voice. Granted we all feel he has an amazing voice....but I noticed some people were not happy with his live voice. You shouldn't be. I'm a trained singer myslef...studied for over five years. my teacher told me from the get go that singing is not like any other instrument....You have so many variables which will affect your voice.... If your sick, Over-tired, If it's too humid, If it's too cold, etc.... So you will still have off nights where things don't go right. You could be up there singing your heart out and follow all the "technical" ways to sing and still have an off night. I have live bootlegs with Goeff Tate singing so flat it would make your skin crawl...Hey singers are human....It's not like a guitar where everytime you play the top string open it will play E A singer has to focus the sound in his face (which is also called the Italian mask) and it's not a visual thing. you can't look at someone's face and know what note they will sing. My point is that James is great! ask any singer and they will say the same. (By the way...I played him for my "Broadway loving" teacher and she thought he was great! And she hates any rock. So lighten up guys....He's human!
Brian kingfrog@prolog.net
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:48:00 +0000 From: blane@nla.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Live Concerts Message-ID: <199605010255.MAA32071@email.nla.gov.au>
Hiya Jammers,
I think most of you dudes are the luckiest people in the music world. You have seen QR live and or DT live and heaps of other bands. Down in Australia, QR, DT and many other bands I listen to have yet to tour here or don't plan on touring. So please stop the bickering, comparisons etc, atleast you dudes are lucky enuf to get to see em live. DT and QR are the two bands I'd like more than anything to see live, but I won't get the chance here *sob*. Guess I am just one depressed dude when it comes to this topic. Just wish I was rich enuf to fly me on over to the US when they tour next.
Brett: ytse-oz-depressed-no-concerts-4-fav-bands-etc-sob
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:09:11 -0400 From: ernie@mail.pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1504 Message-ID: <19960501030909.AAA14843@mail.pananet.com>
>>Does it seem to anyone else that Derek seems to be fitting in really well >>in DT socially? I mean, every time somebody spots a member of DT it's >>*fill in the DT member* and Derek. The guy seems to be everywhere. > >He has to, he's the newest member. Isn't there some unwritten "clause" >that he has to do all the social engagements and sign a certain quota of
yeah, he's the 'Status Seeker'. :)
> >I agree. I've seen them a number of times, and James has been spot-on each >time. Actually, he was better than I had expected from listening to the >boots. I wonder if he changed his warm-up routine at some point,
You mean that wailing he's doing in the background while MP talks to Alan White on LiT? :)
>coveted last spot, but since I'm complaining about not getting the last >spot, that just about guarantees that THIS post will get it. Right? :) > >Hey...it seems to work for everyone else.... > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1504 >************************** >
OH SHIT! This is getting scary... are you sure you're not fooling w/ our minds Skadz? ;)
"OK...great, OK...listen Bert,uh...how about this one?"(this one,this one,this one,this one, this one, etc.) Ernie :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:38:35 EDT From: FNGX01A@prodigy.com (MR JOHN CAHILLJR) To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ytsejams 1404, 1405 Message-ID: <096.07233075.FNGX01A@prodigy.com>
Maybe my mail system crapped out but, I did not get 1404, or 1405. Was anything cool dicussed? Did I get flamed or something? Did someone actually agree with me? If I find the idiot sending these magazine ads I will personaly rip his or, her heart out. Talk about your wasted space.
Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Gandalf
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 23:38:41 -0500 (EST) From: KOPCSODA@vaxvmsx.babson.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1505 Message-ID: <01I4657S3R548XCJGC@vaxvmsx.babson.edu>
This is for the guy with all the squiggles in his address:
Great guitarists (get any or all albums)\ Jeff Kollman-------Into the Unknown Andy Timmons-------(can't remember the title, but he only has one) Morning Wood-------(acoustic duo-Al Petrelli & lead singer for hairband TNT) (sp.) Jan Sreiker--(guy from UK excellent melodic player) Marc Bonilla-------American Matador Fourth Estate------(Either album has terrific guitar) Marty Friedman-----Scenes (of course)Steve Vai-----Passion and Warfare
that's about it off the top of my head Oh! James Murphy from Testament has one out or coming out in the near future It might be good. Later
None of that signature shit that makes the 'jam lists longer...
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 21:27:38 -0700 From: hawkeye7@ix.netcom.com (Larry Odneal) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re:'JAM 1496 Message-ID: <199605010427.VAA16452@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
Adam Cook wrote:
> BTW, there's a review of Shadow Gallery's "Carved in Stone" in a >guitar magazine I found. It goes like this... > Let me know which magazine had that review, so I can make sure they never get any of MY money! I have been listening to SG a LOT lately, and IMHO Brendt Allman rocks his ass off! Excellent technique, phrasing, speed, tone - you name it, he's got it! I love JP, but this youngster could give him a run for his money! :^)
Somebody wrote: >>Let's face it; not everyone in this world is capable of handling >>complicated, intricate music like the sort DT, Rush, QR, etc. puts >>out. Their minds can't handle it.
OK, I agree with that . . . But then Lars Hellsten wrote:
> . . . It's always like "oh, well just look at Hendrix, he >couldn't read music, but look how good a musician HE was". > Wait a minute, Lars, are you saying that your mind can only handle intricate music if you READ music? I sure hope not . . . cause listening to music and reading music are, to me, two separate things. I can read music (slowly), but I never had to during my 24-year carrer as a guitarist (except in jazz band in high school), and I would MUCH rather rely on my ear than the notes on a page. I don't want to start another "what is a musician"-type debate, but IMHO a well-trained ear is more valuable than being able to sight-read, and has the added benefit of allowing you to "analyze" a song before you can find the sheet music. ;-)
Then Jon wrote: >To help ease this trasition, I figured I would type out a few neato >jokes Ive hear in the past few days...And if you are offended, I dont care. >: )
Hey Jon, THANKS! We needed that!
Those yokes were great - I'd heard a few before, but 90% were new to me, and I LOL'd for a while. We definitely need more humor around here!
Larry
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Date: Wed, 1 May 96 0:57:50 EDT From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Cairo, Magellan, other bands Message-ID: <9605010457.AA18117@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Somebody wrote in asking about Cairo and Magellan. I have priased magellan before, so I will just go so far as to say that I like them. I'd recommend them. If you find Impending Assension, buy it immediately. Cairo has an ELP sound to them, somewhat. So much so that their epic song, ruins at avalon's gate, has a very big similarity to Emerson lake and Palmer's Tarkus. The keyboard player definitely is influenced by Keith Emerson. The singer sounds great, they are all talented musicians. I'd definitely recommend them.
Speaking of ELP, they are appearing at the Garden State Arts Center in Holmdel NJ in August, I think August 1, but I don't remember, maybe later. Jethro Tull is also guesting with them. I wish I could find a ride, hell I got several months to put it together. going to be a great prog show.
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:13:14 -0500 (CDT) From: James Patrick Beck <portny@ksu.ksu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Subconcious!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960501001117.87A-100000@abc.ksu.ksu.edu>
Can anybody help me find or tell me where to find DT's Bootleg Subconcious. Would really appreciate this!!!
Jim
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Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 00:31:09 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guess What, this isn't spam! Only 100% pure ingrediants! Message-ID: <3187133D.688E@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
A few comments from the last dozen or so jams.... Summer's going fast, nights growing colder... jam's growing up, we are all getting a lot older... I'm in almost a Bafu Vai mood, probably dangerous to post...
Quality vs Quantity ------------------- Boogie was describing the way to listen to the new Queensryche album... "you have to listen to the things that they took time to craft into the songs"... basically that is production, not songwriting. Promised Land was a pretty good album for all intensive purpose, but it wasn't phenominal, Queensryche was one of my favorite bands when Promised Land came out and I was disappointed that I went the day it came out to pick it up from the store, and I got something, OK. I agree that the production is excellent. I have only seen tapes of Queensryche live, and they looked excellent. I have to agree that it is really hard to put on a intricate visual show and jam out, you really can't do that unless there is a predetermined space for that, and that kinda hurts the improv. Timing becomes a problem. King Crimson and Phish did a lot of jamming live, but they didn't have the visuals that Queensryche and Rush use. Basically the key is to do whatever you are doing well. If all bands using video could do as good of job as Queensryche, I'd be impressed. I've seen Rush live several times, only during the Presto show I saw, were they close. They were way off during the Counterparts show I saw, good 4 or 5 seconds, and it just looks bas when that happens, it doesn't take away from the music, but the overall show effect suffers when you attempt something ambitious and fail.
Selling Out vs Exposure ----------------------- Selling Out and Exposure are two very different things, bands with lots of exposure tend to sell out, but if a band has exposure, it doesn't mean that they had to sell out to get it. I think popularity has a tendency to cause bands to sell out. If there was a set formula for creating bands, the record labels would be able to predict each trend before it happens and you wouldn't see all of this scrambling to clone the latest hot act. I swear that sometimes MTV and radio have a warehouse of studio musicians that look wierd, and they put them into bands, then tell them to play. Exposure is good, I personally would like to see bands get lots of exposure so they can make music 24/7 and not have to work part time jobs to feed themselves and their families while they chase their dreams. I'd like as a fan to go down to a bar/club and hear innovative, original music on any given night, not once a month, which is about par for the course for me at the moment.
Good Guitar albums ------------------ Saga - Generation 13 ... This band has a killer guitarist who has lived in this keyboard dominated band for years, undermixed, now he and the keys guys decide that they need to create a new set of sounds to use for the album. This makes this album really new sounding, and gives it an edge. Great concept album about The youth of America right now. We are the 13th generation of Americans (sorry American Indians) and we are growing up is a strange, harsh, and wonderful world.
Mastermind - Brainstorm.. Anybody who plays guitar needs this album. Bill Berends is one of the most intense guitar players I've ever seen live, he dulls your senses as you stand there in disbelief. This is Mastermind's hardest and heaviest of albums.
King Crimson - THRAK ... the latest studio album from the double trio version of King Crimson. So much is going on, two drummers, four string instruments (bass/stick, warr guitar, guitar, guitar). Worth checking out, the band members have played with a wide range of artists over the years.
King Crimson - Lark's Tongues in Aspic ...
Back in 1973, Robert Fripp was a guitar madman, playing heavy and distorted music with precision, he eventually inspired Kurt Cobain, thus the state of music that currently exists. Don't blame Fripp, this album was incredible, it isn't Fripp's fault that the student Cobain wasn't technically up to Fripp's level. Several Instrumentals are included, plus Easy Money, a fun little John Wetton (bass/Vox) diddy, Wetton later went on to join UK & Asia, David Cross is playing violin/mellotron, and Bill Bruford (Yes, UK) is on percussion.
Just a few non-traditional things to check out....
Later,
Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 00:32:21 -0700 From: Mike Backof <mbacko1@umbc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Marillion Tribute Message-ID: <31871385.131E@umbc.edu>
Hello Jammers,
I heard that Genesis already recorded a cover version of Grendel!
Just a nasty rumor, <grin>
Later,
Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Backof mbacko1@umbc.edu http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1 WWW Pages - Unsigned Bands: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/munsign.html WWW Pages - Inferno Page: http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~mbacko1/inferno.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 00:57:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Glenn Waterfield <lwaterfi@eecs.uic.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Guitar albums Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960501004736.8110A-100000@bert.eecs.uic.edu>
Hey there.
There has been some discussion about guitar oriented albums recently, and I felt there was something I should say.
I borrowed a Marty Friedman tape from a friend a while ago, because I'm a bit of a Megadeth fan, and I heard his solo albums were amazing.
I listened to it, and was impressed and disappionted at the same time. The guitar work was great, but everything else was lacking. I've become used to DT, where (at least before AWAKE) every instrument has nearly equal weight. On the guitar albums I've heard (Satriani, Vai, Friedman, etc.) there are no parts of the song where all of the instruments take part in the same instrumental frenzy, ala Metropolis. It's just guitar. And I find that lacking.
I guess that's why I like I&W a bit better than AWAKE, because the latter seems to be more of a guitar oriented album (this from the mouth of a bass player).
Feel free to agree or disagree. Glenn
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