YTSEJAM Digest 1506
Today's Topics:
1) Test?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
2) 80's Music
by Wayne Chesser <achesser@cris.com>
3) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/30/96 - 23:44:10" <response@ibmmail.com>
4) lets end the james debate
by Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
5) DT covers?
by Deebor@aol.com
6)
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
7) guitar albums
by ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah)
8) ===>> FREE 1 yr USA Magazine Sub sent worldwide-270+ Choices!
by Stuartmall@aol.com
9) Re[2]: YTSEJAM digest 1501
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
10) These damn mail magazine nonsense
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Test?
Message-ID: <199604302217.SAA29065@kirk.ici.net>
>fuck
>shit
>FUCK
>SHIT
>
>Just playing with something.
Messing with the CDA enforcers' minds again? :)
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Pat Sullivan_________http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html________
"The wide corridor up the center of E Block was floored with linoleum the
color of tired old limes, and so what was called the Last Mile at other
prisons was called the Green Mile (here) at Cold Mountain"
____________Stephen King - "The Green Mile part 1 - The Two Dead Girls"____
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:37:19 -0500
From: Wayne Chesser <achesser@cris.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 80's Music
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19960430223719.006a9994@mail.concentric.net>
"Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu> wrote:
<edited> I've actually gone back and listened to my journey/Steve
perry, Boston, Van Halen and Styx Cds in addition to all my prog rock stuff,
and rediscovered how good some 80s music actually is. Alas, I must be alone
here. Oh well, viva whatever is good. Hopefully, the next change in music is
coming and will include some keyboards, good singing, and maybe a little
lmusical ability. Remember, this is all imho. Flame me and be destroyed.
Hello all. I just subscribed to the mailing list and I realize that this
isn't exactly relevant to DT, but then again neither was the above msg.
Anyhow, I just wanted to put in my .02 and agree with the above. I like a
lot of the 80's stuff, especially some the "hair" bands that everybody used
to love and then bashed for all being the same (i.e. Cinderella, Whitesnake,
Skid Row, White Lion, etc.) I listen to very little of today's radio and
when I do it's usually Classic Rock. The majority of my listening time
these days is taken up by DT and Fates Warning with a few other choice
groups thrown in for good measure. Can't wait for the new albums from both
groups. See ya 'round.
Wayne
Carole - Mama to Cody (7-9-90), Taylor (6-11-92),
Megan (4-7-94), and ? (due 9-16-96)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:42:46 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/30/96 - 23:44:10" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
Message-ID: <199604302242.PAA04502@mindcrime.ax.com>
The mail item that you sent at 22:42:42 GMT on 30 Apr 1996 has been delivered.
However, it has been necessary to convert this item into a
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:01:03 -0400
From: Cornholio <hiw100@psu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: lets end the james debate
Message-ID: <199604302300.TAA32912@r02n05.cac.psu.edu>
Jammers,
so here are a few things to keep in mind when listening to a live
performance of dt and you criticize james' voice:
1. On tour, he might not have sufficient time to get a full, proper warm up..
2. Singers should only be singing a max of 3 hours per day. Even Pavarotti.
3. Cigarette smoke is 400 degrees when it enters your throat. That causes
serious burning damage over extended periods of time.
4. Last couple of DT concerts I went to they did not go on stage til at
least midnight. Kinda late, don'tcha think?
5. Rock music is by far much harder to sing and much more strenuous on the
voice than opera music, especially when done like LaBrie or Tate.
6. When you eat house slop for dinner every night, you might not be getting
all the mutrition you need.
7. Touring uses alot of energy and is very draining. This makes it easier
to get sick and that is bad for the voice.
8. Mind Control. James has to yell at some idiot in the audience to settle
down so that he can talk. Imagine having to do extra vocal activity
every night that is unnecessary.
So if you were wondering why he sounds better on the album or at the
beginning of a tour, those are probably the reasons. Sure, there could be
others. SO hopefully this helps to clarify the situation and end a
meaningless debate.
later,
Yitzik
______________________________________
"When sometimes I wake up screaming,
will my fears survive when I fall asleep?"
---Superior---
______________________________________
"The way your heart beats, makes all the
difference, It's what decides if you will endure
the pain that we all feel; The way your heart
beats Makes all the difference in Learning to
Live. Spread before you is your soul, So forever
hold the dreams within our hearts; Thru natures
inflexible grace I'm learning to live."
---Dream Theater---
______________________________________
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:14:53 -0400
From: Deebor@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT covers?
Message-ID: <960430191048_284391689@emout16.mail.aol.com>
Whoever is running the DT covers thingie, could you e-mail me with the
details on this project? I would like to do Space Dye Vest, if possible.
Thank you.
George Fan
deebor@aol.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:46:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960430180441.8067A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
There has been a lot of talk lately about who's better in concert, and I
think that alot of people don't let the band go in the direction they
want. I have not had much experiance in the world of concerts, in fact,
I have only been to four: Wierd Al, Dream Theater, Queensryche, and
Extreme.
Weird Al's show was great, he was in costume for many of his songs,
all the was down to the "Fat" outfit, and a leopard skin loincloth for
"The Bedrock Anthem" He also had clips of his videos and UHF going, and
the chemistry of the whole band was just hilarious.
Dream Theater, of course, ruled. They had some cool lighting
effects, and the performance was nearly flawless. I really did like the
extended songs and solos and improvs. The only thing that I didn't like
was Derek. I'm not knocking him, from what I hear, we can expect great
things from him, but I didn't have 'net access when I saw the show, and
Derek walking out on stage in Kevin's place was the first I knew of the
split. Being a key/synth player, I was reasonably upset by Kevin's
departure.
Queensryche's show was spectacular. They may not have done extended
solos or songs or improv, but that's not their style. The costumes and
lights and dual video screens kicked ass, and the music and show together
was worth the price of admission (although I think I could have done w/o
Goeff in a pair of spandex shorts :).
Extreme, as with the others, was a whole different style of show.
They didn't have there logo in spinning lights, they didn't have costumes
for the band members, they didn't have video screens, but what they *did*
have, was an incredible energy level. The whole band was charged, and it
showed. Gary was all over the stage! Literally! He climbed on top of a
set of 12-15 foot speakers during one of the songs, he hung from the low
rafters above the stage, he stood on Mike's drum kit (awesome drum kit,
BTW) with one foot on each of the bass drums, laid across the bass drums,
etc. They may not have had the *show* that the others did, but they had
the *showmanship* to make up for it. (Of course, I think I could have
done without Mangini mooning the crowd. :)
What was the point I was going for again? Oh yeah, I think it was
something about each band having a different style when it comes to live
performance.
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Just got Tori Amos - BFP in the mail today. It kicks ass! :)
(Damn, I wish *I* was that piglet! :)
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In the new BMG thing, there is an insert called "Desert Island Discs."
Basically, they polled their members (that's gotta hurt! (Itchy?)) and
asked what 5 CDs they would want if they were on a desert island (leave
it to the corporate geniouses at BMG to ignore the lack of electricity on
desert islands :). Awake made it ("Untouchable musicianship. Ahead of
their time." -Andrew G., New Port Richey, FL), as did QR's O:M and
Extreme's III Sides. Of course, looking at the rest of the crap people
chose, I just hope that the six people that actually *had* musical taste
end up on a different island. :)
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Mike Bahr: Happy B-day, I hope this one makes it out today (oh, who am I
kidding!? There have only been 4 so far today... :).
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To those of you who are getting that idea of sending your forwarded
messages to the 'jam, DON'T! I'm sure that everyone here has probably
already seen what you want to send, and if they haven't, give it a
month. I have only had email for 8 months, and I already got well over
150 jokes through email, not counting the ones that I got multiple times
(like that Scooby Doo one that I got at least three times already). They
spread like wildfire, just like those E-chain-mails (BTW, I have gotten 6
of those, not done a damn thing about them (with the exception of sending
a nasty letter to the ones that sent it to me) and no one in my family
has died, no one has had an accident, I have not lost money, and my dog
is still quite healthy, thank you. :).
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To Pat Sullivan: Looks like I beat you to the EoJ again! >:)
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I got mIRC 4.1 yesterday, and the modifications should be finished by
Friday. I have taken the feedback I have gotten so far into account.
There are now two completed add-on packs which will be availible soon.
To everyone who downloaded already, don't worry, I'll make a smaller
version (ie. w/o the .wavs) and DCC that on request when I see you.
Sorry about the delay on this. Look for an update soon. :)
Later all!
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
| Pat Griffin Reality2 Design |
| c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu |
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
EoJ?
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 19:51:31 -0400
From: ahs110@psu.edu (Amit Shah)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: guitar albums
Message-ID: <199604302351.TAA20944@r05n01.cac.psu.edu>
>Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:41:17 +0200
>From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mosl=E5tten?= <moslaatt@telepost.no>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: concept albums
>Message-ID: <199604302041.1286.telepost.no@telepost.no>
>
>Hi!
>I think i Should mention what I listen to exept DT, of course:
>
>Stevie Ray Vaughan
>Extreme
>Al Di Meola
>Alan Holdsworth
>Eric Johnson
>Dixie dregs!
>Sting
>Toto
>Gypsy guitars
>bla, bla
>
>I'm a cd freak, collector, and i love all kind og "guitaralbum", since I
>live and breath for the guitar! I'd love to get other guitarist to send a
>list of what music they listen to, I'm curios for other influences!
I'm a drummer but i'm really into guitar focused albums, some artists are:
Joe Satriani
Steve Vai
Tony Macalpine
David T. Chastain
Greg Howe
Vinnie Moore
Marc Bonilla
Gary Hoey
Blues Saranceno
DTC- hey, i saw a copy of the Japenese version of LatM for $19.. i already
have the european version.. what do you guys think? should i shell out
twenty bucks for one different track?
Later on, & keep jammin'!
-Amit Shah
ahs110@psu.edu
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 15:31:31 -0400
From: Stuartmall@aol.com
Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr USA Magazine Sub sent worldwide-270+ Choices!
Message-ID: <960430153131_386861106@emout12.mail.aol.com>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 16:36:58 PST
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re[2]: YTSEJAM digest 1501
Message-ID: <9603308309.AA830910340@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>> 6. Alanis Morrisette
>Does anyone actually like her out there? If so, please explain.
>Alright. I'll explain. I find her voice wears on me, but at the same time
>the lyrical content hooks me.
Except when she sings a song called "Ironic" and there is very little
irony in it. "Isn't it ironic, don't cha think?".... "Uh, no... not
really." Someone buy her a dictionary... 8^)
Everything I have heard since You Outta Know (which was a kind of catchy
little tune -- for the first 100 listens) has been mediocre at best... I
bank on the next CD being a major flop. (Go ask Hootie...) :)
Sorry, Babs... not picking on you, just venting.... 8^)
-Mike
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:39:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: These damn mail magazine nonsense
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960430173121.12917A-100000@noc.cerf.net>
Please... please... stop these damn things.. can we just plain ban or
kill anything coming from aol.com ???
on a lighter note... someone had mentioned that they didn't like QR
live.. that's fine.. each person has their own opinions.. I happen to
really like QR and have been amazed by them every time I've seen them.
The fact that they don't stray from the recorded material doesn't bother
me.. in fact.. I find I really enjoy it. QR's material doesn't really
give them the freedom to break out and jam like DT's does. QR's is more
song based.. whereas DT is more compositional based, giving them the
freedom to follow the twisty road wherever it takes them.
The thing to remember is this, and I've said it before.. Music is a
subjective ART.. it's quality varies from listener to listener based upon
their own likes and dislikes. So comparing QR to DT and saying one is
better than the other is silly, and pointless.. they're not the same
band.. the only way to determine if a band was better was if they were
doing the exact same thing.. like 2 football teams.. trying to win a
game.. but they're not.. so give it a rest.. and enjoy them both...
Besides.. the whole QR vs DT arguement reminds me way to much of jr. high
school when we had the Iron Maiden crowd vs. the Judas Priest crowd...
funny thing is... most people seemed to shift camps based on who release
their album (vinyl back then) most recently... moral of the story..
they're both great bands.. enjoy them... :)
For sale... one soapbox... slightly used... make offer..
doug cronkhite
C-4 (#ytsejam IRC)
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