YTSEJAM Digest 1505
Today's Topics:
1) Mail Item Format Warning
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2) Re: Cairo, Magellan, other bands
by schew@tis.com
3) New UPDATE and Other Neat Things
by Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com>
4) scooby-doo (NDTCAA)
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
5) Pantera/White Zombie Tour Dates (NDTC)
by dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin)
6) Mr. Myung
by Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu>
7) Ronnie Scott's
by Adam <alpine@negia.net>
8) Coupla small things....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
9) James and Live Albums
by Adam <alpine@negia.net>
10) Quik thought
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
11) concept albums
by Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mosl=E5tten?= <moslaatt@telepost.no>
12) Bill Powell
by JamesArin@aol.com
13) Very cool DT stuff I found!!!!!!!
by JamesArin@aol.com
14) EOJ?!?
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
15) stuff
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:02:10 EDT
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:50:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: schew@tis.com
To: acook@tiac.net
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Cairo, Magellan, other bands
Message-ID: <22519.9604301850@ragnarok.tis.com>
> I was fortunate to find Cairo and Magellan at Newbury Comics. Can
>anybody recommend either of these guys? Also, can Ivanhoe be bought at
>stores or only mail order? And last, are John and Mike going to be doing
>clinics in the Boston area anytime soon? If they're doing clinics how are
>they going to be recording the new album? ;)
>
If you haven't picked them up yet, I'd recommend Magellan over Cairo.
They have a little more complex style, with great rhythms and melodies. Both
have a lot of keyboards, but Magellan has a better mix of guitar and keys,
IMHO.
I like both bands, but I especially love Magellan.
Steve
P.S. I'm pretty sure Emusic (http://emusic.com) and CDnow both have
Cairo and Magellan and the other Magna Carta bands. Under the
music section of my home page (see my .sig) I list a number
of online music stores you can order from.
-- Steve Chew - schew@tis.com - http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/home.html "Arguing with an engineer is like mud wrestling with a pig. Pretty soon, you realize that the pig actually likes it." -- Unknown------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:32:09 -0700 (MST) From: Michael Bahr <durnik@indirect.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: durnik@indirect.com Subject: New UPDATE and Other Neat Things Message-ID: <199604301932.MAA15123@bud.indirect.com>
Hi all!!
There is a NEW UPDATE on the CDs (whew!) That I will be more than happy to e-mail to you myself, and I think I already dispatched a copy to Jeff Chew for the Shadows page. It'll be posted on alt.music.dream-theater later today.
Thanks to EVERYONE for the cool birthday wishes, this is even better than last year, I was flooded with mail on it. :) And so I enter my 22nd year.. a year in which nothing really changes from when I was 21.
I was arguing with Bafu a little while ago and he brought up an interesting point: that I really haven't had anything creative to say to the Jam in some time. I remember that I used to be that way, but when I began making CDs I just turned my attention to that. I'm afraid I have to agree with Bafu, and though I don't have a great deal to say yet (I'll think of some good stuff) I _do_ have some contributions to make to some of the recent threads.
First of all, for the covers project... anyone can feel free to do any of the songs anyone else was doing... part of the beauty of this sort of project is the multiple interpretations of the songs. I encourage anyone to also submit the same songs I and the guys here in Arizona were planning on doing.
Galactic Cowboys... now here's a band that if I could wish success upon, I would. They're making music with a flavor all their own, yet with a style we already understand. Unfortunately, I think their music might only work for those of us in certain regions and with certain subcultures. I and the rest here in AZ like them, and I know they have a huge fan base in Texas. But when I brought GC material to New York for the Con last Christmas, few were impressed. Go figure! I think the Cowboys' new album Machine Fish is the most mature release by them yet, with songs that have more depth and age better than in previous releases. I thought the same about Space In Your Face when it came out; truly GC is developing steadily as a band. The new album also conveys the frustrations of the band on several levels, which I like. It reminds me of the fury of 1975-1976 Rush. The GC still have the best vocal harmony work I've heard overall, consistently from song to song, which ties in to the next subject..
...if Alanis can reproduce those keen vocal harmonies from Ironic in a non-studio setting without outtakes and overdubs, THEN I will be impressed. She was a corporate shell as Tiffany, and she's a corporate shell now. The only difference is that corporate cheese music has changed from bop to angst in the years between. I _want_ to like her since she's a female artist with a great voice and a slightly harsh tone, which is something I like about Tori Amos and the Cranberries (or at least their lead singer). But I can't escape the feeling that it's all so "planned", so unrealistic, so force-fed. All my opinion. Which brings me to...
...Alternative music in general. One of the best things in my opinion to happen in years was the emergence of +Live+, the closest thing there is to a combination of progressive and alternative. Forget the hit singles and Chad Taylor's simplistic guitar, it's Chad Gracey's drums and especially Pat Dahlheimer's killer bass that makes this band work best. The pinnacles of +Live+'s efforts in my opinion are Vicious Crowd and 10000 Years from Mental Jewelry, and Pillar of Davidson and White Discussion from Throwing Copper. Their earliest effort, Public Affection's Death of a Dictionary, sports some interesting bass work, but is largely forgettable as a REM-type spinoff. The true test of +Live+ will be if they are able to continue to make original, exciting, and worthwhile music without burnout, on their next album. Speaking of new albums, what's with the Stone Temple Pilots' new album??? It sucks! I can't believe it. I was so impressed with Purple, that STP finally broke the Pearl Jam mold, and now I find out it was because they found a better mold... the Beatles. Ack. "Tiny Music" would have been better if the Bullshit had been tiny as well. And about The Beatles. I know they're supposed to be the fathers of all pop music and thus all rock, and we're all supposed to like them, but am I alone in saying they suck? I mean, their songs are all so trite and contrived, swaying from simplistic to silly without a worthwhile thought in between. And their riffs and chops are so basic, they're taught to beginners nowadays. About the only album I was _briefly_ able to stomach was the Sgt. Pepper album, and that only because I dug some of the lyrics. Hearing them played almost ruined my near-favourable impression. And Oasis is just a cheap corporate attempt to re-create the Beatles, and anyone who tells you otherwise is kidding themselves. :)
I am a happy guy because my birthday has meant the annual gifts of laserdiscs from the girlfriend, friends, and family. Melissa picked up the Aristocats LD for me, which is decent enough I guess. Of course the Disney LD I _really_ want is The Black Cauldron! (grin) Some buddies chipped in and got me the Criterion edition of SEVEN, and it's incredible. I liked the film in the theater, I like it even better on CAV LD with an alternate ending! :) (oh yes, in the alternate ending, Somerset (Freeman) kills John Doe instead of having Mills (Pitt) do it. He figures that by killing Doe just as he's retiring, Doe will be punished and Mills can continue his career without facing charges, and with Mills' wife the way she was at the end of the movie, that was a pretty good idea. :) And my parents picked up Rob Roy for me on LD, which is awesome in the same way Braveheart is. Anyone who's not rented this because it looked cheesy... trust me, it's worth your time.
Well, that's about all I have to say for now...
MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 12:35:02 PDT From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: scooby-doo (NDTCAA) Message-ID: <9604301935.AA17819@tengs1>
I thought this was pretty funny, at least it's better than mag. subscription offers... (if you consider yourself a little prudish, don't read it).
>>> >>> What We Remember: >>> >>> Four teenagers and their trusted dog gallop across the country in >>> their purple and green van solving mysteries of all sort--and in the >>> process meet all kinds of interesting people. >>> >>> The Truth: >>> >>> Four high-school dropouts and their sentient dog ride around the >>> country in their psychodelic love machine, earning their way by >>> selling drugs. Oh, and they occasionally take some old guy's mask off >>> to solve a mystery. >>> >>> It may be a little hard to swallow, but just take a look at the >>> evidence... >>> >>> Take Shaggy for example. Not only is he the inspiration for the >>> current 'grunge' scene, with his sloppy dress and facial hair, but >>> Shaggy is obviously a 'burner', i.e., he smokes marijuana. Why do you >>> think he is constantly hungry? Shaggy can make a six foot hoagie and >>> swallow it whole. >>> >>> And then there is Scooby himself. While dogs do not generally smoke >>> joints, Scooby gets his 'high' from Scooby-Snacks, which are in fact >>> Hash-Brownies. Whenever Scooby, or Shaggy for that matter, eats a >>> Scooby-Snack, they go ape! It just blows their mind and they do >>> whatever they are told, because they are so lit! Scooby is also hungry >>> all the time. >>> >>> The other characters do not actively take part in the stoner-fest that >>> Shaggy and Scooby do, but they do condone the selling of it because it >>> helps support their jaunts across the country (and the world--they >>> drove to China once). These other characters do have their own >>> peculiarities however.. >>> >>> Fred and Daphne are always splintering off from the group to go 'solve >>> the case' by themselves. It's no real mystery what these two are >>> really doing--they're getting busy in the back of the Mystery Machine. >>> Daphne with her pretty pink, well, legs and Fred are constantly >>> bumping uglies. Fred is, by the way, pumped up on steroids. One thing >>> that remains a mystery to me though, is why he always wore that stupid >>> scarf around his neck. >>> >>> And what about Velma? Everyone's least favorite of the cast, was of >>> course, a lesbian. But, as it turned out in the later episodes, she >>> was also into beastiality. Where do you thing Scrappy-Doo came from? >>> Scrappy, who was a dog yet spoke perfect english, was obviously a >>> product of Velma and Scooby. >>> >>> So the kids spent their teenage years driving around the world, >>> slangin' dope, shooting steroids, eating hash brownies, and fucking >>> their dog, while all the while looking for the perfect 'hit'. >>> >>> O If we had only known these things when we watched this cartoon as >>> children...
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 14:41:04 -0700 From: dhplotki@students.wisc.edu (David Plotkin) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pantera/White Zombie Tour Dates (NDTC) Message-ID: <v02110100adac37d13d6c@[144.92.180.169]>
I know a bunch of us here on the jam are into Pantera, so I figured I'd post their summer tour schedule I picked up yesterday from a Pantera Web Page. They'll be on a co-headlining tour along with White Zombie. New album "The Great Southern Trendkill" comes out May 7th here in the US. Take care everyone!!
PANTERA / WHITE ZOMBIE ITINERARY - SUMMER 1996
Date City/State Venue ---------------------------------------------------------------- 6/28/96 Winston-Salem, NC LJVM Coliseum 6/29/96 Hampton, VA Hampton Coliseum 6/30/96 Off 7/1/96 Louisville, KY Louisville Gardens 7/2/96 Antioch, TN Starwood Amph. 7/3/96 Pelham, AL Oak Mountain Amph. 7/4/96 Off 7/5/96 Jacksonville, FL Jacksonville Coliseum 7/6/96 Miami, FL Miami Arena 7/7/96 Orlando, FL Orlando Arena 7/8/96 Off 7/9/96 Savannah, GA Civic Center 7/10/96 Off 7/11/96 New Orleans, LA UNO Lakefront Arena 7/12/96 Houston, TX The Summit 7/13/96 Dallas, TX Starplex Amph. 7/14/96 Off 7/15/96 San Antonio, TX Freeman Coliseum 7/16/96 Off 7/17/96 TBA 7/18/96 Chandler, AZ Compton Terrace 7/19/96 TBA 7/20/96 San Diego, CA Sports Arena 7/21/96 Off 7/22/96 TBA 7/23/96 TBA 7/24/96 Off 7/25/96 Portland, OR Memorial Coliseum 7/26/96 Vancouver, BC Pacific Coliseum 7/27/96 George, WA The George Amph. 7/28/96 Off 7/29/96 Off 7/30/96 Morrison, CO Red Rocks Amph. 7/31/96 Off 8/1/96 Vally CEnter, KS Kansas Coliseum 8/2/96 Maryland Heights, MO Riverport Amph. 8/3/96 Bonner Springs, KS Sandstone Amph. 8/4/96 Off 8/5/96 Minneapolis, MN Target Center 8/6/96 Cedar Rapids, IA 5 Seasons Center 8/7/96 Milwaukee, WI Marcus Amphitheater 8/8/96 Off 8/9/96 Chicago, IL Rosemont Horizon 8/10/96 Auburn Hills, MI Palace of Auburn Hills 8/11/96 Noblesville, IN Deer Creek 8/12/96 TBA 8/13/96 Off 8/14/96 Dayton, OH Hara Arena 8/15/96 Cuyahoga Falls, OH Blossom Music Center 8/16/96 Hamilton, ONT Copps Coliseum 8/17/96 Off 8/18/96 Burgettstown, PA Star Lake Amph. 8/19/96 TBA 8/20/96 TBA 8/21/96 Off 8/22/96 Hartford, CT The Meadows 8/23/96 Bristow, VA Nissan Pavilion 8/24/96 E. Rutherford, NJ Continental Airlines Arena 8/25/96 Off 8/26/96 Worcester, MA The Centrum 8/27/96 TBA 8/28/96 Albany, NY Knickerbocker Arena
EYEHATEGOD supports from 6/28-7/30
DEFTONES support from 8/1-8/28
"Dreams transport desires, drive you when you're down Dreams transport the ones who need to get out of town."
-- Middletown Dreams
"Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha Cha Cha Cha, Cha Cha !?#@*&$%!..."
-- Sound Chaser
"For the first time In a long time... ..It's about music"
-- JP
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:48:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Andrew Costa <acos0206@uriacc.uri.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mr. Myung Message-ID: <199604301948.MAA29909@mindcrime.ax.com>
With all this stuff about John and Mike doing clinics I wonder why J. Myung doesn't do any? Maybe he's really introverted or maybe I missed something but it seems like he's hardly talked about. . .
|\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\| |/ /| |\ I have lots of ideas. . . . . . . . \| |/ its just that no one listens to me. /| |\ \| |///////////////////////////////////////////////| -Iznogoud-
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:12:55 -0400 From: Adam <alpine@negia.net> To: Ashley <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ronnie Scott's Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960430201255.00670560@negia.net>
>I remember reading somewhere (the fanzine?) that there were some >rehearsals and practice before the show - could the bootleg be >from there and, hence the difference between ACOS and the >bootleg? Also it's not difficult to imagine that the live stuff >on ACOS has been edited and 'enhanced' during its recording and >production.
The bootleg is from the actual show. James' patter b/t songs is the same, the entire audience sounds like they're there, all the special guests are introduced and play their individual songs. It's also highly unlikely that James would be so mediocre in rehearsal and then be so stunning 45 minutes later. He says at one point "Hey, give us a break, we just found out about this gig 4 hours ago," or something to that effect. So I have to conclude that the stuff was just edited. :(
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:14:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Coupla small things.... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960430160915.12112A-100000@tron.rs.itd.umich.edu>
To Mike Bahr: Happy Birthday! To Wisha: Happy Birthday (a couple of days late, but it's the thought that counts, right?)! To anyone else w/ late April/early May b-day who's too modest to advertise: same thing!
A little gloating, if I may: I'm pretty good with these milestone Jams, I've managed to place a post in #1000, The first Jam from Ax.com, and now, #1500......
and.....
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> Uh huh. No calculations? :) > End of YTSEJAM Digest 1501 > **************************
Ain't it great how these things just happen?????? partha mukhopadhyay
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:26:39 -0400 From: Adam <alpine@negia.net> To: Stephane <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: James and Live Albums Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960430202639.0069e5d8@negia.net>
>You should listen to it more carefully, cause Mike did not make a single >overdub on the live tracks of the Ronnie Scott's. He told me that 1 month >ago, and seeing the discussion we shared, this is the truth...
Yup, you're right. "Upon further review we have a reversal!!!" :)
>Maybe you are right, but I think most people would be disappointed to hear a >live record that have a lot of mistakes. If you record a whole album in only >one night (like it was done for LATM of for the live tracks of the Ronnie >Scott's), with no second chance, it's very hard to have THE perfect show. >IMHO, purists are really happy with the bootlegs. So everybody is satisfied >with the official releases and the bootlegs. On my own, I also prefer >bootlegs to official live, but we can understand that everybody does not.
I'm always happy with bootlegs. Their January 24, 1995 show is the worst I've ever heard James (I bleeve he was sick) and I still love it. I have many and the shows are rarely, if ever, perfect. I'd much prefer to have the honest work of the band rather than an overdub thrown together in several takes in a studio. My problem isn't that James' wasn't stellar that night, it's that "Uncovered" is not a truly live set on ACOS. I'm listening to the original "Big Medley" and it's much different that what we hear on ACOS. James is, honestly, dismal, but if he was poor that night they simply shouldn't release it. I still like it, blemishes and all, but it's evident that LaBrie and Petrucci, at least, went into the studio and cleaned it up. I don't think that's any longer in debate (and I'm kinda sorry I got this tape and brought it up as it kinda "Used My Illusion"). :)
To all those that requested copies of this bootleg: I got about two dozen requests for this show and I regret to say that I just don't have time to copy it for everyone. I apologize..
To Dan "Scooter" Pye: Drop me an Email if you see this. And remember: You own it! :-)
Adam Pye - alpine@negia.net - http://www.negia.net/~alpine - IZZC #1426 - Ask for the bootlist!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Quik thought Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960430162333.12112B-100000@tron.rs.itd.umich.edu>
I haven't an opinion either way on this, but...... Is it more impressive to be able to go off on amazing musical tangents in the during a show, or or to be able to recreate amazing music originally created with lots of time, lots of takes, if necessary, and a producer at your side.....maybe i have formed an opinion.....then again, maybe I have't been to enough concerts........
partha
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 22:41:17 +0200 From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mosl=E5tten?= <moslaatt@telepost.no> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: concept albums Message-ID: <199604302041.1286.telepost.no@telepost.no>
Hi! I think i Should mention what I listen to exept DT, of course:
Stevie Ray Vaughan Extreme Al Di Meola Alan Holdsworth Eric Johnson Dixie dregs! Sting Toto Gypsy guitars bla, bla
I'm a cd freak, collector, and i love all kind og "guitaralbum", since I live and breath for the guitar! I'd love to get other guitarist to send a list of what music they listen to, I'm curios for other influences!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:46:51 -0400 From: JamesArin@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bill Powell Message-ID: <960430164650_386931988@emout17.mail.aol.com>
Sorry for this everyone, but.
Bill Powell please e-mail me. Your mail at 353Powell@aol.com is bouncing so I can't get the ordering info for Subcon to you.
Thanks, Jim Colberg
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 16:46:52 -0400 From: JamesArin@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com, metropolis@arastar.com Subject: Very cool DT stuff I found!!!!!!! Message-ID: <960430164652_386932017@emout13.mail.aol.com>
I picked this stuff up at a record convention on Sunday!
1) I & W 1993 Japan tour book (with English translations) 2) Awake 1995 Japan tour book (incl. info for subscribing to the Jam!) 3) 1992 Japan tour pass 4) 1993 Japan tour pass 5) 1993 US tour pass 6) 2 Afterlife singles (with Terry Brown remix) 7) Pull Me Under promo single 8) Caught in a Web promo single
This guy said that he can get more of this stuff so if you are interested e-mail me and I will try to get a big order together! :^)
See Ya, Jim Colberg
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 18:11:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: EOJ?!? Message-ID: <199604302211.SAA28665@kirk.ici.net>
>I'd also like to mention that I've gotten the NEXT-to-last post twice in the >last week. I could wish evil things on the 'jammers that beat me out of the >coveted last spot, but since I'm complaining about not getting the last >spot, that just about guarantees that THIS post will get it. Right? :) > >Hey...it seems to work for everyone else.... > >------------------------------ > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1504 >************************** >
Okay, that's just too damn weird. Cool, but weird.
Pat Sullivan_________http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html________ "The wide corridor up the center of E Block was floored with linoleum the color of tired old limes, and so what was called the Last Mile at other prisons was called the Green Mile (here) at Cold Mountain" ____________Stephen King - "The Green Mile part 1 - The Two Dead Girls"____
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 17:13:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stuff Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960430170905.7394A-100000@indy17.gclab.missouri.edu>
>since I'm complaining about not getting the last spot, that just about >guarantees that THIS post will get it. Right? :) [a little later] >------------------------------ > >End of YTSEJAM Digest 1504 >**************************
Evidently so. :)
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