YTSEJAM Digest 1504
Today's Topics:
1) Re: I apologize.
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
2) Mail Item Format Warning
by "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/30/96 - 10:21:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1498
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
4) Re: Many comments and opinions. Alas, NDTC
by "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
5) Re: QR live
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
6) Ronnie Scotts
by etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se
7) Superior Review
by Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
8) live overdubs on the Ronnie Scott's, and in general
by auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau)
9) Cairo, Magellan, other bands
by acook@tiac.net (acook)
10) Obtaining Ivanhoe
by Greg Picklesimer <gregp@tuvok.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1499
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1499
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
13) Angra/Marillion
by Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be>
14) Re: Music Authority and Spam
by Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1500
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1500
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1501
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1502
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
19) Quick Reply ....
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
20) Itchy's dirty mind...
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
21) Radios, Spam
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 5:09:31 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: I apologize.
Message-ID: <9604300909.AA11213@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Hey, Mike. No hard feelings, although you did bum me out a little, I figured
that something had to be up over there. Yes, I overdid the flame thing, but
who doesn't around here sometimes. so, we'll bury the hatchet if there ever
was one and just go on with our lives.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 05:19:50 EDT
From: "RESPONSE at IBMMAIL 04/30/96 - 10:21:14" <response@ibmmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mail Item Format Warning
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 5:23:01 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1498
Message-ID: <9604300923.AA11003@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Will. I am a Magellan fan. I love those guys. Maybe I love them because they
are so complex. They are great musicians, or is it musician with a sequencer
and programmed drums? Is that a band or one guy? I am not a great one for
lyrics, so I don't know. But I first heard Stadium Nacional on a tape someone
sent me and fell in love with the band. You have youropinion and that's cool,
but I think they are great becasuet hey are complex.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 5:32:47 EDT
From: "Damon M. Fibraio" <s0067977@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Many comments and opinions. Alas, NDTC
Message-ID: <9604300932.AA27725@hawkmail.monmouth.edu>
Kevin.
I just usually skip over sigs when reading the Jam with my speech
synthesizer. Thank God for bounce mode.
As for Ms. Morset or however you spell it, I think she's a bitter hating
human being. I am not going to get too much into this because this was kicked
around on alt.music.rush for a while which is why I stopped reading that.
But, I think she needs a drummer for one and not a drum machine. She's a
typical alternative musician. Not bashing alternative, I just don't like her.
her voice grates on my nerves. Mind you, I like bands like Pearl Jam, sound
garden, Live, Lenny Kravitz and so on, but I think the alternative sound is
starting to get old. I've actually gone back and listened to my journey/Steve
perry, Boston, Van Halen and Styx Cds in addition to all my prog rock stuff,
and rediscovered how good some 80s music actually is. Alas, I must be alone
here. Oh well, viva whatever is good. Hopefully, the next change in music is
coming and will include some keyboards, good singing, and maybe a little
lmusical ability. Remember, this is all imho. Flame me and be destroyed.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:44:03 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: QR live
Message-ID: <9604300944.AA12466@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi all!
>i saw them on their last tour, and i thought they were incredible. i find
>it much more impressive when a band can recreate, note for note, the
>perfect, controlled music they recorded in the studio. QR doing this,
>IMHO, is impressive. in the studio, you can re-record. you can do
>multiple takes. on stage, you've only got one shot. it's cool that DT
>jams, i'm not trying to take away from that, but i think IMO you're way off
>base by knocking QR for their live playing ability. how can you possibly
>think that someone sucks because they play their music note for note?
>would you rather hear the guitarist(s) screw up?
I'm totally with you there Andrew! I saw QR twice and I was always
amazed about what they did there on stage. Not only the light-show
etc. The musicians just fit together like it coudn't be better.
DeGarmo and Wilson are a killer guitar-section. IMHO naturally. :)
Ok, yes, it is unbelievable what DT does on stage too. They do
it both! They jam AND play everything tight as shit. They're
incredible musicians. Everyone. But (don't flame me for this!)
IMHO QR have a better aura when you see them act on stage. They
look exalted somehow. DT maybe are the better musicians
but their stage-presence is a little behind the things what
QR do. Ok, QR have more money. That could be a big point too.
I love both bands and I buy every album that comes out from both.
BTW, it isn't easy to hit every note tight on stage like it is
on a CD. And therefore I'm really impressed about both bands
because they do this perfectly.
Thanks for your time.
Bye.
Bernd.
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:56:22 +0200
From: etl.etlaywg@memo.ericsson.se
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ronnie Scotts
Message-ID: <01I45H42UKHE8WXFOL@edt.ericsson.se>
RE: James's voice at Ronnie Scotts
I remember reading somewhere (the fanzine?) that there were some
rehearsals and practice before the show - could the bootleg be
from there and, hence the difference between ACOS and the
bootleg? Also it's not difficult to imagine that the live stuff
on ACOS has been edited and 'enhanced' during its recording and
production. Even though it's well over a year since the event,
ACOS always brings back happy memories of being one of the
privilege few (out of 200?) crammed into a unique place. BTW does
anybody who was there remember a bloke with a Newcastle accent
shouting REALLY LOUDLY at MP at the end? He was waving a photo of
Mike and shouting something like "MIKE, MIKE, WHAT ABOUT THE
NORTH AH?, YOU REMEMBER?' (or something like that). Mike seemed
to acknowledge him before the guy was 'calmed' down by security.
Was he a nutter or just p*ssed off that that DT wasn't going up
North that year, and why did he single out Mike? Sorry, :) its
just something that stuck in my mind after the event.
Also about concept albums, how about stuff by DIO? 'The Last in
Line', and 'Dream Evil' immediately spring to mind. Actually DIO
has been quiet lately - does anybody know what's happened to
him?
Regards
Ashley
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:37:35 +0200
From: Bernd Basmer <basmer@med-rz.uni-sb.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Superior Review
Message-ID: <9604301137.AA17172@krzsun.med-rz.uni-sb.de>
Hi! Me again. :)
Just wanted to tell everyone that there was a fine review added
to the SUPERIOR homepage at http://gaia.owl.de/~fine/superior.html
Thanks to Gareth Ross from Australia!
Check it out! It's worth reading!
Bye
Bernd.
[No sig today...] :)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 14:00:50 +0100
From: auzzy@tequila.entpe.fr (Stephane Auzilleau)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: live overdubs on the Ronnie Scott's, and in general
Message-ID: <199604301314.GAA06616@mindcrime.ax.com>
In digest 1503, Adam Pye wrote
>After hearing the Ronnie
>Scott's "real" version, it's evident that not only James' parts, but guitar
>and drum work were also redone.
You should listen to it more carefully, cause Mike did not make a single
overdub on the live tracks of the Ronnie Scott's. He told me that 1 month
ago, and seeing the discussion we shared, this is the truth...
>If it's labeled a "live" album I'd like a
>purely live set. Call me anal, call me (as I prefer) a purist, but if it's
>redone in the studio it ain't live.
>Adam Pye
Maybe you are right, but I think most people would be disappointed to hear a
live record that have a lot of mistakes. If you record a whole album in only
one night (like it was done for LATM of for the live tracks of the Ronnie
Scott's), with no second chance, it's very hard to have THE perfect show.
IMHO, purists are really happy with the bootlegs. So everybody is satisfied
with the official releases and the bootlegs. On my own, I also prefer
bootlegs to official live, but we can understand that everybody does not.
Most often, a live album is a kind of best of for the people that don't want
to buy all the cds of a band but want to have one record. The live album
fits well in this case. I have many live albums, and many of them are from
band of whom I don't have all the records.
I don't think that the live albums are the favorite ones of the fans, but
maybe I'm wrong...
Stephane
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:18:15 -0400
From: acook@tiac.net (acook)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cairo, Magellan, other bands
Message-ID: <199604301318.JAA07626@zork.tiac.net>
I was fortunate to find Cairo and Magellan at Newbury Comics. Can
anybody recommend either of these guys? Also, can Ivanhoe be bought at
stores or only mail order? And last, are John and Mike going to be doing
clinics in the Boston area anytime soon? If they're doing clinics how are
they going to be recording the new album? ;)
Adam Cook acook@tiac.bet visit me at, http://www.tiac.net/users/com (hard
hat construction area!)
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 8:05:34 MDT
From: Greg Picklesimer <gregp@tuvok.ncrmicro.ncr.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Obtaining Ivanhoe
Message-ID: <199604301406.IAA14360@Symbios.COM>
Just last week I got my copy of Visions .. and Reality by mail
order from ProgTron. This is the name of the business run by
Ranjit Padmanabahn, who should be well known among the prog crowd
on the Jam. He now has a web site with all the important ordering
information and an on-line catalog. The entire process took about
2 weeks and appeared to be limited by Ranjit's ability to get to
the post office, as I got the package a couple of days after it
was postmarked. The URL is http://www.webpage.com/~progtron/
progtron.html or email ranjit@netcom.com.
I got a copy of Iluvatar's newest CD called Children. Sounds very
much like Marrillion or early Genesis. Recommended, if you like that
sort of thing.
-- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Greg Picklesimer (greg.picklesimer@symbios.com) Symbios Logic Inc Fax: (719)533-7480 1635 Aeroplaza Dr. Colorado Springs CO 80916 Phone:(719)533-7530------------------------------
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:34:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1499 Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960430093135.3135A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> 3. Concept albums. Some of these may already have been mentioned, but these > were missing from the original list: > > - Zappa "Joe's Garage"
Did you include "Thing-Fish" and "Civilization Phase III"
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:49:33 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1499 Message-ID: <v01510100adab9fc7a166@[137.238.26.12]>
>Does it seem to anyone else that Derek seems to be fitting in really well >in DT socially? I mean, every time somebody spots a member of DT it's >*fill in the DT member* and Derek. The guy seems to be everywhere.
He has to, he's the newest member. Isn't there some unwritten "clause" that he has to do all the social engagements and sign a certain quota of autographs (only joking)? Actually he is a very personable guy. I just felt like being goofy for a bit. I just remember all the stories about the December shows where everyone else was in the club or in the van and Derek was out in the cold signing autographs...
-BABS
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 96 16:40:00 DFT From: Wessel Marquering <Wessel.Marquering@econ.kuleuven.ac.be> To: "ytsajam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Angra/Marillion Message-ID: <3186266E@econmsmail.kuleuven.ac.be>
Speaking of Angra, they've recorded Judas Priest's 'pain killer' for the tribute CD. This was announced yesterday on Studio Brussel (a radio show called Metropolis -the only DT content here-). After this message a great song from Holy Land was played (forgot the title).
There's a lot of tribute Cd's coming out lately. Maybe too much. I would like to see (and hear of course) a Marillion tribute CD!!! Magna Carta could do a great job on this I suppose. I'm glad to read some positives reactions with respect to Marillion on the ytsejam, lately. That's cool, because they are great and should deserve much more attention!
Of what group would you like to see a tribute CD? (it would of course be way to soon for a DT tribute).
Wessel Marquering
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 09:56:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean T Gill <stg@csd.uwm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Music Authority and Spam Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.960430094504.3135B-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
> 1. Being A Musician Does Not Make You an Authority > > Timbuktu? Tim Lodge mentioned the New Kids on the Block. > Would we value their opinions any more than our own? And > if the answer is yes, I believe we should look in the mirror > and decide once and for all WHY we value a celebrity's > opinion more than the common man's in this county. (EOS) > End of sermon.
For some of us, we go to school to learn music. I think that gives someone strong qualifications. For others who play, but don't go to school, they've still spent countless hours practicing and learning outside of a classroom. If someone's 'been there, done that' then they wil have some knowledge of whatever 'that' is. I don't think any of us think of ourselves as celebrities. And besides, do you really want to call NKOTB musicians. That's a potentially dangerous thing to say.
Scott- do you have that spam bit memorized. If so, you are a twisted puppy (on acid?) |)
TTFN- Sean
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 10:57:43 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1500 Message-ID: <v01510101adaba1e921b0@[137.238.26.12]>
>THE TOP 10 REASONS THE FEMALE JAMMERS HAVEN'T BEEN POSTING
>8. Babs changed a lightbulb and the rest of us formed a support group.
Uh-oh, somehow the word leaked out that I am a worker for the State of New York. Yes, we do purchase lightbulbs in bulk and when I'm not working doing that, I find other things to do w/ my spare time - like grouting floor tile, or using my new glue gun to fix things (giggle).
-BABS
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:02:33 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1500 Message-ID: <v01510103adaba3206aa3@[137.238.26.12]>
>"Well there's egg and bacon; egg, sausage and bacon; egg and spam; bacon >and spam; egg, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, bacon, sausage and spam; spam, >egg, spam, spam, bacon and spam; spam, spam, spam, egg and spam; spam, spam, >spam, spam, spam, spam, baked beans, spam, spam, spam and spam; or lobster >thermidor aux crevettes with a mornay sauce garnished with truffle pate', >brandy and a fried egg on top of spam." > -- the new Ytsejam motto
Hey, I was just joking w/ someone about this skit the other day! In my Monty Python voice I wish to say "shut-up, bloody shut-up!"
-BABS
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1501 Message-ID: <v01510104adaba4c0cc4f@[137.238.26.12]>
>> 6. Alanis Morrisette
Does anyone actually like her out there? If so, please explain.
Alright. I'll explain. I find her voice wears on me, but at the same time the lyrical content hooks me. For any woman that has been burned in a relationship - her music is for you. I admire the fact that she is able to get all the agressions out in one song and in the next be able to show a reflective and jovial side. I'm sure that other women on the 'jam will agree with me! It's one of those things guys that you just gotta be a female to understand...
-BABS
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:50:57 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1502 Message-ID: <v01510108adabae8016c6@[137.238.26.12]>
>Jaime the Dragon, reminding everyone who is in doubt of her gender that she >is indeed counted among the women on the Jam...
Hi, it's BABS. Yes, you are right - men are goobers (big laugh). Alright, since we are all getting silly with this thread I'll join in. Perhaps it was just that time of the month and no one felt like posting (you men should consider yourselves lucky!).
Ok - let the gender wars begin!
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Quick Reply .... Message-ID: <199604301556.LAA32515@wicked.stigmata.org>
In Ytsejam 1500, Debbie wrote:
> 4. Boys suck.
Yeah, but its the girls who enjoy it when they do
;)
Its early, don't mind me :)
Skadz
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 12:21:33 +-200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'\"Love & Peace\"-Jam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Itchy's dirty mind... Message-ID: <01BB36BF.580B2740@ppp144.GlobalXS.nl>
> FUCK > SHIT > > Just playing with something. > > Skadz
We didn't wanna know that...
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Debbie Seeger said:
> 6. We are conspiring to create a new world order that will make men > subserviant and women dominant.
/me says "Cool! I'm gain !"
> 4. Boys suck.
Girls too sometimes...
----- On Jam #1499 Mark Metzger said:
B) QUEENSRYCHE BLOWS LIVE (musically)
I thought us DT-fans were beyond that fucking QR vs DT thing... Guess I was wrong... Personally I think Queensryche is a great live-band. The fact that DT dares to be more creative on stage doesn't automatically mean that QR blows... If that was true... Most bands would blow live.
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uhm.."Skadz playing with something", "Boys sucking", "QR blowing"... Maybe I am on the wrong list here... It beats that flaming-stuff, though
Hasta Luego... Pasta & Legos,
Itchy (NOT Bitchy) Mark Bredius, Bredius@GlobalXS.nl - Itchy@dreamt.org ___________________________________________________________________/\___ Lie down my dear... you're going to enjoy this | MARILLION C" \__ (Marillion - Cannibal Surf Babe, Afraid Of Sunlight) | RULEZ ()-()\_ _____________________________________________________|__________/ ~ \
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Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 13:33:47 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Radios, Spam Message-ID: <199604301731.NAA10302@kirk.ici.net>
>You should try this for yourselves. Try to not watch MTV for about three >months, and just listen to the radio. You'll discover that there's a >whole bunch of "alternacrap" out there that's really good. You'll get to >listen to it without your opinions being tainted by "Oh, they're an MTV >band" or whatever. I mean, Seven Mary Three, Everclear, Spacehog - >there's some good sounding stuff out there. Just stop watching and >listen. You'll surprise yourself.
Speaking as someone who does without the "benefit" of MTV (no cable), I can respectfully say....BZZZZT. :)
At least with videos, I can see that the bands are actually made up of different people, even though the music sounds the same. On the radio, I can't differentiate. Yes, there's some of it I like, but most of the radio stations around here are just like MTV with their playlists. Every hour of music consists of two Hooties, one Alanis, and a Bush or Everclear for good measure.
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>Once you get in, you'll love them. I do. > > >Sincerely, > >Susan Zanzer
Anyone else notice that the usernames on these are *NOT* typical AOL usernames? I think the reason AOL is not cracking down on this is because:
-> It's not being done by AOL users!
Think about it, if somebody wanted to do an anonymous, annoying spam and pin the blame somewhere, what's the easiest, most believable target? AOL! Nobody would even question it. Well, I am. There has to be some other way to trace this.
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>Third, I have seen James a number of times. I also have a number of >bootlegs, and one point I'd like to make is that weighed against the sheer >number of vocal outings he has, he does damn well. I think he is amazingly >consistent.
I agree. I've seen them a number of times, and James has been spot-on each time. Actually, he was better than I had expected from listening to the boots. I wonder if he changed his warm-up routine at some point, so his cords don't take such a beating anymore?
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I'd also like to mention that I've gotten the NEXT-to-last post twice in the last week. I could wish evil things on the 'jammers that beat me out of the coveted last spot, but since I'm complaining about not getting the last spot, that just about guarantees that THIS post will get it. Right? :)
Hey...it seems to work for everyone else....
___<psull@ici.net>_______________http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.h tml_______ "You could probably chop off a man's head three times a day for twenty years and he'd grow used to it, and cry like a baby if you stopped" ________________________ Robert Sheckley/"Immortality, Inc."__________________________
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