YTSEJAM Digest 1756
Today's Topics:
1) Mail to me, please
by cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
2) Back...
by btomko@home.glasscity.net
3) Rush tribute
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
4) RE: YTSEJAM digest 1748
by "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com>
5) Rush tribute album
by petedz@interaccess.com
6) ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater****
by market@clubmet.metrobbs.com
7) DT has it's own "ding"!
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
8) Questions and Thoughts...
by Xphilefan@gnn.com (David Joseph Kostura)
9) Last of the shirts
by Jason Giles <jgiles@crl.com>
10) uh, what's up...
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
11) Working Man
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
12) FW's Drums
by kurt@fgallery.com
13) Savatage
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
14) Booted?
by rwarren@memphisonline.com
15) YtseCon III
by Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu>
16) List still up?
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
17) Mailing lists
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
18) Columbus, Ohio
by "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu>
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 96 12:41:41 GMT
From: cronos@worldaccess.nl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Mail to me, please
Message-ID: <M.081196.144141.59@wxs4-1.worldaccess.nl>
To Robert Quezada:
Could you please mail me the HTTP of your CD player page? My PC crashed some
time ago (faulty SIMMs caused W95 to eat dust) and I lost your CD player
software as well. I want to download it anew.
To Patricia McLoughlin:
Thanks loads for the nice cards you sent after your Satch gig! It was much
appreciated, and the only reason I didn't mail you yet is that I don't know
your email address any more. Thanks, anyway! I've seen him at Bospop (bald!)
and it was really cool...
-- /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | Richard Karsmakers cronos@worldaccess.nl | \--------------------------------------------------------------/ C.R.I.M.E. Development; "Twilight World" Magazine; WWW-MMM P.O. Box 67, 3500 AB, Utrecht, Netherlands /--------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Who is General Protection and why is he reading my disk?" | \--------------------------------------------------------------/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 08:50:49 -0400 From: btomko@home.glasscity.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Back... Message-ID: <B0000318305@home.glasscity.net>
I'm back, in case anyone cared... While I was in Delaware (no sales tax? YIPPEE!!!), I located a copy of Genesis's cd, "Selling England by the Pound". I couldn't resist,and I love it. I don't really like Phil Collins, but Peter Gabriel's voice is really good. I have a ponder: If Gentle Giant is no longer a working band, how can they be considered progressive? I know the answer is obvious, but if you think about it, what isn't new isn't progressive; it's pioneering. My Genesis cd has some stuff that is before it's time, but it's still not progressive anymore. Think about it. Since I unsubscribed for my vacation, can anyone email me anything important I missed? (dates, clinics, concerts, cds, yadda,yadda, yadda) Thanks...
Mark Tomko
still scratched up and sunburned from his vacation...
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 96 14:44:46 UT From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush tribute Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199608111446260455@msn.com>
I'm behind in reading the digests, so I apologize if some of this has been discussed already. Has anybody besides me noticed that the word "Rush" can not be found anywhere on the front or back covers? (Correct me if I'm wrong.) All other Magna Carta tributes have the band's name on the cover. The factory sticker (I don't know what else to call it) that seals the top of the case just says "Working Man-A Tribute." Does this have anything to do with Rush's attempts to stop it's release? The album is exceptional. Someone mentioned awhile back that "poor Lerxt get his ass kicked." I disagree; Alex can stand up to all of those players. He is one of the most underrated rock guitarists (I think he's much better than people like Clapton and Page). Most of the guitar playing is great though. And James's vocals on "Red Barchetta" are magnificent. Sebastian Bach does alright also (I'm surprised he did a song like "Jacob's Ladder.") A few problems I have are with Terry Brown's mixing; you can hardly hear Jack Russell on "The Analog Kid". Also, I thought Billy Sheehan's bass wasn't prominent enough (compared to Geddy's on the actual recordings). Before I go, I'd like to let everyone know that I have obtained a video of the same Rush concert that is the source of Michael Bahr's Critical Mass. (It is pro shot). I don't know how common it is, but I'll copy it if someone can offer to trade me anything. Jeff Falk King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com
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Date: Sat, 10 Aug 96 16:53:59 UT From: "Susan " <spatz13@msn.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 1748 Message-ID: <UPMAIL08.199608111529060891@msn.com>
> He sings on Vai's Sex and Religion and there are only one or > two listenable tracks on that record. Some otherwise good songs were > totally BUTCHERED by this musical abattoir owner.
Hmmm... I don't supposed one of the tracks you LIKED was the last one?? Steve sang that one. :)
Personally, though, I think S&R is my favorite Vai album.. no, Devon's ot the singer I would pick for my own band (I like LaBrie too much for that), but I do like his style.... what I kinda see as the problem was that the music wasn't hard enough for him... you gotta realise, this was a 19 (? - I think) year old INDUSTRIAL singer that Steve picked...
Suz
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 13:47:40 -0500 From: petedz@interaccess.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush tribute album Message-ID: <2.2.32.19960811184740.006987dc@pop.interaccess.com>
Thanks to everybody who recommended Working Man. It's as good as a tribute album could be. Now if only I could see Sheehan and Portnoy together on stage!
One comment to whoever said that George Lynch overplayed: I don't see it. He just sorta played sloppy and went off through the whole song. It sounded right to me for an old '70s tune.
True, Rush would never have played it that way. To me that's the point of a cover--to hear a song played in a way the original artist would have never attempted.
There are two solos on the disc that *do* sound overplayed to me.
The dude from Symphony X goes way out on a limb on Analog Kid . Kinda cool sounding, but not really in keeping with the spirit of the song. Who the heck is Symphony X anyway? Anybody here know? I wouldn't mind checking out their original material. I also thought that Marcel Coenen dude had too much fun with Free Will. Where's he from? Both of those guys butchered the songs, but are such good technicians that I want to hear more.
-- Pete Dziadzka (petedz@interaccess.com)
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 16:45:14 -0500 From: market@clubmet.metrobbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ****YOU CAN WIN A (boot) CD by Dream Theater**** Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.11.-16.45.14.8699.14828@clubmet.metrobbs.com>
Hey all you Ytsejamers-
The (new) limited Dream Theater stickers are here...and ready for ship-out! (surf the net at: http://WWW.DREAMT.ORG) (see merchandise) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Would you like a chance to win a limited edition CD by Dream Theater? The CD is "When Dream And Today Unite". (by mike b/Prism Records). I believe there is only 1000 in print. Some of the following live songs are on this cd: A Fortune In Lies, Get Funky, The Ytsejam, Light Fuse and Get Away, Mission Impossible, To Live Forever, Only A Matter Of Time, and several others! A must for any DT fan!
If you order (3) or more stickers by August 15th, 1996 your name will be entered in a drawing to win "WHEN DREAM AND TODAY UNITE".
The drawing will be held August 16th, 1996 and will be announced via E-MAIL & Ytsejam maillist that day. (don't forget to send your email address with your order).
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
ABOUT THE STICKER: wanna see a pict? (http://www.dreamt.org)
The Dream Theater sticker is simple, yet captivating! It will get attention. The sticker is 3 inches x 3 inches. It is made of vinyl, so the quality is nice. It is a 3 color sticker. At the top of the sticker says, "Dream Theater". In the middle of the sticker is has the "Majesty symbol" (in a yellowish/white tint). The majority of the middle background is a dark blue color. With black fade in,on the top and bottom. On the bottom of the sticker says, "-YTSEJAM-". I must take this moment to thank, "Thinker" from the Ytsejam maillist, he did the artwork for the sticker. Thank you! If you are not completely satisfied with the sticker(s) I will refund your money for any unused stickers. 100 % guaranteed! ---(don't forget, if you order 3 or more, you will be entered in the drawing for the boot DT CD)---
IF YOU would like your own sticker(s)...then you can write to the address below. The Stickers are only $2.00 each. (includes shipping and handling). (U.S. Currency/check/M.O. accepted). Orders *Outside the U.S./add $1.00 for shipping/on any # ordered).
(((want to get even a better deal??? If you order 10 or more stickers at any one time...your cost is $1.50 each)* (total $15.00). ALSO if you order 10 or more, your name will be entered in the DT CD drawing five (5) times, so your chances to win are greater!)))
FOR RUSH ORDER/write to: TRS GROUP 11184 Antioch Road SUITE 701 Overland Park, Kansas 66210 USA
(checks and M.O. made out to: TRS GROUP). (Don't forget your email address, and make sure you have the above "suite" number on the outside of your envelope).
all orders are shipped out next business day.
If you have ANY questions, feel free to write me!
take care,
todd s
-------------------------------------------------------------------------- check out http://www.dreamt.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:18:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT has it's own "ding"! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960811191513.13804A-100000@pacman.rs.itd.umich.edu>
first off, is skadz on vacation or have i been unsubbed again unknowingly? I haven't got a jam in two days......
about the title, of course a lot of you know the original "ding" is in Rush's Hemispheres.....those of you who care, and have Antiquities, pull out that disc and take a listen to UAGM at about 6:30 or so.....
if you say it fits right in with the music, well that's how i feel about the original, too :)
partha
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 19:00:56 From: Xphilefan@gnn.com (David Joseph Kostura) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Questions and Thoughts... Message-ID: <199608120053.UAA23148@mail-e2b-service.gnn.com>
Hi all!
This is my first post to the Jam, and I just had a few things I wanted to say after lurking for a few months.
First off, I'm glad that DT is a band that has been good about releasing live material. LATM and the extra tracks on ACOS in particular. I am also a big Rush and Yes fan, and while these bands have released live material in the past, it has been sporadic, and sometimes the releases contain the same songs. True both of these bands are to release live albums within the next year or less, but they are few and far between. I have oftened wondered why bands don't offer a full live tour after the tour as a "snapshot" for those who missed it, or for those who want to relive it. I'm glad DT seems that they care enough about their performances and fans to want to release live stuff in a timely manner. After all, it can't be too costly. So, here's hoping for a forthcoming video or CD from DT, perhaps containing new material and some from the Awake tour, when the '97 tour starts. Till then Mike Bahr's CDs will have to do...
Second, I am curious about FW. Anyone tell me if they think I might like them? As I mentioned, I like DT, Yes, Rush, and King Crimson, to name those at the top of my list. I look for strong melodic structure, and just pure power too, so that may give you and idea of why I like the groups I do. I really admire James LaBrie's voice as well as Jon Anderson's. So, given that can you reccommend a possible good first FW album?
Thanks in advance and take care all!
Joseph
"And answer a call while you still hear at all 'cause nobody will if you won't" (6:00) -- DT
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 1996 23:38:40 -0700 From: Jason Giles <jgiles@crl.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Last of the shirts Message-ID: <199608120638.AA22508@crl5.crl.com>
Hello everyone, just wanted to post that I have some extra shirts from the last round of Dream Theater/Ytsejam shirt orders I did. These are the last there are, and I MOST LIKELY will never order anymore. I have left:
1 Navy XXL 3 Black XL 1 Large Black Tanktop
and that's it! As you can see it is not much, so if you want one, I suggest you write and tell me which one ASAP! Here's the relevant descriptions:
OK Shirt fans! It seems there is enough interest to test the waters more for another shirt order. After speaking with the shirt company about minimum orders, it looks like we need 50+ orders to make it worthwhile. So, here's the info, please send in your requests for shirts now, and if I see we're going to make the 50 mark, then I'll then instruct everyone where to send the money, etc.
For news on Tank Tops, see below!
Design ( front ): Majesty symbol in white ink, with "Ytsejam" on top in script font, and "INTERNET MAILING LIST" in small block letters beneath.
Design ( back ): Large white DREAM THEATER logo in white across the top, with Let the Light Surround You across the bottom in greyish GLOW IN THE DARK ink.
This shirt is now being offered in FOREST GREEN, BLACK, MAROON, and DARK NAVY. I cannot guarantee that this design will look good on any color but black! (of course, "good" is completely subjective).
Sizes Available: M, Large, XL, XXL (+$1.50), XXXL (+$2.00). Dark shirts tend to shrink more than light colors, so if you are on the edge of a size, order accordingly!
Fill out this form and return it to jgiles@crl.com:
Name: E-Mail Address: Mailing Address:
Qty Size Color --------------------------- 2 XL DK Navy
LEAVE NOTHING BLANK!!! All info is needed for me to properly take care of everyone! Be sure to specify what color goes with what size, etc. if you are ordering more than one shirt.
Shirt design can be previewed on a black shirt at: www.crl.com/~jgiles/shirts.html
Shirts at $14.00 each, which includes shippin the US and Canada. Add $4.00 for orders outside the US, such as Germany, UK, etc.
Let the fun begin!!! Questions, comments, orders, etc: jgiles@crl.com
MORE NEWS-- TANK TOPS! I will now offer Tank Tops for the coming summer months! Black will be the only color available, and the and the design will be the same, except that the majesty logo and other left breast artwork will be in the center of the chest of the tank top. They will be $14.00 as well, and the same sizes will be available.
SHIRT ORDER DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 28th!!!
"Listen! Do you smell something?"
Thanks,
jason g. jgiles@crl.com
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 01:56:17 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: uh, what's up... Message-ID: <320EE3A1.1E28@mo.net>
I am sure there is some good reason, but I haven't been getting ANY jams for the past couple days. I heard there was a massive power outage somewhere (I think out west), but I'm not sure about that (if I'm right, cool, if I'm not, I'm a dumbass). Just wondering if there was something wrong with my e-mail and stuff. Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
"On the other hand, you have different fingers." -Steven Wright
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 02:58:26 -0700 From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man Message-ID: <199608120958.CAA15557@darkstar.ucsc.edu.>
Hey, I ended up liking Devon's voice despite the bad initial reaciton here.
Also, is it because of Rush's legalities that the word "RUSH" appears nowhere on the outside packaging of "Working Man: A Tribute" ?
~Chris
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:14:32 -0400 From: kurt@fgallery.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FW's Drums Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.12.12.14.32.2916992174.321549@bbs.fgallery.com>
Does Mark Zonder use those electronic drum sets or some electronic type percussion..cuz some of the drums ive heard (Parallels,inside out)sound kinda wierd..
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 12:55:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Savatage Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960812125318.26736B-100000@rossby>
Allright,
I want suggestions now as to what other releases by Savatage would be recommended by ytsejam people. I REALLY liked Dead Winter Dead, since I finally carefully listened to the whole thing. They're simpler, but very excellent writers and musicians. Also, we don't have the RUSH tribute album in Oklahoma City yet. Awaiting its arrival.
Jon
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 16:16:51 -0500 From: rwarren@memphisonline.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Booted? Message-ID: <199608122116.QAA09069@ford.socomm.net>
Is there a problem with the jam or have I been booted off? I have not received a jam in 3 days.
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Chew <jc309@columbia.edu> To: The BafuJam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: YtseCon III Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95L.960812175811.17473A-100000@merhaba.cc.columbia.edu>
Dear jammers,
Hey there! Here's an update for the YtseCon III! First of all, it will take place at the La Guardia Marriot (Queens, NY), on Saturday, October 12th from 1pm to 5pm. We have spoken to Dream Theater and management, and they say that they should be there.
The cost for pre-paid tickets is $20 per person. The cost at the door will be $25 per person. This will cover the cost of the conference room and other miscellaneous stuff (name tags, programs, etc.). If you would like to pay in advance, please send a check to:
YtseCon III c/o Jeff Chew 350 Broadway, Suite 703 New York, NY 10013
When you send a check, please include a note or letter that says your name, return address, e-mail address, and phone number. This makes things a lot easier for us when we send the tickets back to you, plus if we ever need to get in contact with you.
Due to the lack of reservations, we have decided to return the block of 75 rooms to the Marriot. So, we have arranged it so that you can contact the Marriot through their 800 number. If you need a room, call the La Guardia Marriot at 1-800-882-1043. *REMEMBER TO TELL THEM THAT YOU ARE GOING TO THE "DREAM THEATER CONVENTION"*. If you need to find someone to split a room with, the staff is still doing that (well, Greg is), so you can contact him at grc8@columbia.edu.
If you plan on flying to the YtseCon III, we have arranged something with Rich Worldwide Travel so you can reserve airline tickets through them by calling their 800 number. Please call 1-800-431-1130, and tell them that you are going to the 'Dream Theater Convention'.
If you can provide a ride to the YtseCon III, or if you are in need of a ride, please contact me by either e-mailing me or calling me and I will see what I can do.
Well, that is all there is for now! I hope to see you at the YtseCon III!
Yours, Jeff Chew =)
<*> Jeff Chew <*> http://www.columbia.edu/~jc309/ <*> <*> jc309@columbia.edu <*> jeffc@dreamt.org <*> jchew@rsabbs.com <*> <*> (516) 674-4828 <*> Work (212) 442-0041 <*> Beeper (917) 712-4828 <*>
"*PUNCH* Welcome to Earth!" --- Wil Smith, Independance Day
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:13:42 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: List still up? Message-ID: <199608122313.SAA02046@enteract.com>
Is the jam down? Someone please reply if anyone sees this.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 18:30:14 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Mailing lists Message-ID: <199608122330.SAA02928@enteract.com>
I have a solution for the people who are upset by the non-DT talk on the Jam. Assuming this gets through (I haven't seen a jam in a few days) I'm going to be setting up a mailing list for progressive music. Through a weird connection I got a free domain name (prognosis.com). It's in the registration process right now, but I hpe to have the list up by the end of the week. This would be for any progressive music related discussions, and of course, it's FREE.
Mail me if you are interested.
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian K. Adams" <aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Columbus, Ohio Message-ID: <199608130333.XAA08181@big.seorf.ohiou.edu>
I don't have any DT content today so I'll keep this really brief. I know over the past couple years I've heard a few of you live near Columbus, Ohio USA. If you don't have anything to do this Friday August 16, 1996 stop out to the Alrosa Villa, on Sinclair Rd. My band, GIRTH, is opening for Uncle Crush. It would be great to meet any of you who may live nearby. Oh, by the way I'm the guitarist.
Hope to see some of you there Brian Adams aa467@seorf.ohiou.edu
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