YTSEJAM Digest 1752
Today's Topics:
1) Devin nox my radz!
by elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
2) King's X
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1751
by Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
4) comments on a past Working Man review
by John Nguyen <nuprin@feist.com>
5) Comments on Digest 1750
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
6) Weckl
by Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
7) Re: KX' sermons... (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
8) Re: comments on a past Working Man review
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
9) Re: MTV
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
10) Deen Castronova / Rush Trib.
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
11)
by
12) Sometimes you're the bug....
by Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
13) Petition eMpTyV
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
14) FYI
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
15) quickie.
by RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org>
16) Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
17)
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:37:34 +0100
From: elliott@fxn.com (Elliott Kim)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Devin nox my radz!
Message-ID: <19960809093732308.AAA216@ras5.fxn.com>
>From: "Frank Benenati" <mojonet@pb.net>
>Subject: Working Men!
>
>Anthem:
> Thanks for destroying a classic, George Lynch....(someones gotta cut off
>a few of his fingers....then he'll play a little less)
>
Uh, that might not stop him... Ever heard Django Reinhardt? The dude does
stuff with only 2 fingers that most guitarists can barely do with all of
theirs intact! (Reinhardt was a pre-WWII jazz guitarist who played in the
Quintet du Hot Club du France with Stephane Grappeli. When he was 18 years
old, he was badly burned and lost the use of his ring finger and pinkie on
his fretting hand.)
>Natural Science:
> MojoMan tees up a MojoNuke and Swings one right into Devin Townsends
>mouth (that'll teach you to use that again!!!!) .....other than
>that....the song kicks!
>
Thanks to the tribute album, Devin Townsend has a new fan in me. At first,
I hated it, but since the entire disc was on infini-repeat, this track
really really grew on me and now it's an 11-way tie for 2nd favorite track.
"THE UNIVERSE LEARNED TO EXPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAND!!!"
That part is just too cool! I guess Dev's one of those you either love or
hate, and there's no middle ground. What else has he done besides Vai's
_Sex & Religion_? C'mon Devin fans! (I know you're on this list!) Say
something positive about this guy so I can agree with somebody on this
matter! ;)
>Red Barchetta:
> The best of the tight nit songs on the record...Ugh...Labrie....<spooge>
>
I grabbed ACOS immediately after hearing that track. (A Change Of Shorts)
-- Elliott Kim --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:45:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: King's X
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960809104405.15687E-100000@bdmserver>
David wrote:
>king's x was great....for a long time i could not understand for the life of
>me why they were considered a "christian rock band". i think i began to
Well, their earlier albums have "Christian overtunes" to them. Just read
the lyrics...
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 07:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Cronkhite <dougc@cerf.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1751
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.960809073854.2186B-100000@noc.cerf.net>
For those of you talking about James Murphy.. He also recorded the most
recent Testament CD - LOW. IMHO, his playing was better than anything
that Skolnick put down.. but that's my personal taste.. It's a shame that
the band went down for the count on it's best CD in 10 years.
-Doug
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 09:54:54 -0500
From: John Nguyen <nuprin@feist.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: comments on a past Working Man review
Message-ID: <320B513E.4C72@feist.com>
on the Rush tribute...
>>zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>wrote:
1) a very confused an ignorant review
2) the truth when he said:
>>Wow, this was harsh. Please ignore this. I know nothing...
the "I know nothing" part especially. The Rush tribute album rules.
Someone who doesn't appreciate this album doesn't deserve to own seeing
how its so hard to come by. He should give it to someone who will want
and appreciate musical magnitute.
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 08:03:47 -0700
From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Comments on Digest 1750
Message-ID: <199608091503.IAA19472@main.cfmc.com>
>From: "'THE HAND...' R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
>To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
>Subject: Kern, jazz, skid row's rush cover
>Message-ID: <Pine.PTX.3.92a.960808192538.5156A-100000@carson.u.washington.edu>
>
>
>> From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
>> Subject: Rich Kern...
>
>> Someone said:
>> >It says that Kevin Moore and one RICH KERN got a hold of John Petrucci's
>> >tape and fucked with it.
>>
>> Rich Kern is also listed in the Awake liner notes as having done the
>> programming on SDV.
>
>That would be me. I wish I could've talked to that guy...yeesh.
>If/when I find him, I'll let ya know. Perhaps I can buy him a
>beer and he'll tell me a secret. And yes, D-Man, I still remember
>your warning...no worries.
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>> From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
>>
>> Jonathan Case wrote:
>> > I'm also into some jazz (very limited though) with Dave Weckyl
>> > as my favorite jazz drummer. Any suggestions on other artists I should
>> > pursue for some excellent drumming, as well as good music?
>
>> Whoa, Dave Weckel (or is it Weckyl or Weckle?) , my friend has one of
>
>It's Dave Weckl. In the realm of jazz, pick up Coltrane's "A Love
>Supreme." Elvin Jones is just killer on this. Also try anything
>with Steve Gadd, like Chick Corea's "The Leprachaun." John
>McLaughlin's latest disc (cant remember the name) is also
>wonderful, it features Dennis Chambers. If you want anymore
>just e-mail me -- I'm kind of a jazz nut.
Hmmm....no Tony Williams? He's been awesome for a long time. I like him
most with Miles and in Lifetime. Other favorites of mine: Jack DeJohnette,
Bill Bruford, Ronald Shannon Jackson.
>From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
>
>
> Well I think I know why RUSH did not want this so called tribute
>album released. IT SUCKS!!!!!!! The only song that holds some merit is
>Closer to the Heart done by Fates Warning. Now I am not trying to flame any
>of the musicians who played on the album, but I think they all decided to
>jerk off while playing the songs. It would be like DT playing different
>solos in Metropolis, or something. I have always been a firm believer that
>RUSH is not a band that takes many liberties, therefore you should not have
>taken liberties while covering their stuff. I often go and see a RUSH
>tribute band called Power Windows, and they do the stuff note for note. It
>is the next best thing to seeing RUSH live. Since you are doing a tribute
>though I do agree with D-Man, you should not do it exact. My conclusion is
>to not have done it in the first place. Let's face it RUSH is still here,
>and hopefully will be for a long time to come. Let me just enjoy RUSH as it
>was meant to be heard. Flame away if you must, but it will not change my
>opinions.
Not really a flame, but a point of divergence. If I wanted note-for-note
Rush, I'd listen to Rush. I want to hear interpretation and improvisation.
It's more of a jazz sensibility, but when my band covered Rush, we certainly
took a lot of liberties with the music. My guess, though I've not yet heard
the album, is that I'd wish for MORE liberties, not less. I don't want to
hear personalities confined by the music....and, in general, I'd rather hear
an original solo than someone else's take on the same solo.
Adam D. Barnhart
adamb@cfmc.com
ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's:
=====================
1. MSG: Save Yourself
2. Rush: Power Windows
3. Ronald Shannon Jackson and The Decoding Society: Barbecue Dog
4. Black Sabbath: Vol. 4
5. Natalie Merchant: Tigerlily
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:29:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeff Stewart <stewaj01@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Weckl
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.960809102322.10742A-100000@condor.stcloud.msus.edu>
I'm apologize in advance for this post but this peeves me for some reason
and I have to set the record straight.
It is Dave WECKL (note the spelling, check his CDs for proof)
His solo CDs listed from oldest to newest are:
-Master Plan (contains "drum duel" with Steve Gadd)
-Heads Up
-Hard-Wired
These are all excellent! I'd have to say I like his first CD, Master Plan,
the best...
Thank you.
Jeff Stewart
remo@dreamt.org
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:06:03 -0400
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: KX' sermons... (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d00ae30c97a8996@[199.171.22.207]>
In response to the guy who went to the KX show and then sold all 6 CDs,
Bracken MacLoed from Y'Jam #1747 wrote:
> Did you forget that King's X is a band with a definate Christian
> overtone ("Faith Hope Love," "Out of the Silent Planet [a religious
> sci fi book by Christian author C.S. Lewis]" "KING'S X"...? I
> wouldn't have been surprised by a sermon.
Yeah, but don't get confused..."Christian overtones" does not equal
"Christian band." KX is NOT a xn band. They're a band who writes what's
on their hearts, and many times spiritual things come up, but there are
other things as well, and there are *other* interpretations that you (as
the listener) can take.
Anyway, in response to the original post'er...there was no "sermon" at the
Pittsburgh show that I went to. Doug said very little...a bit at the end
and during "Over My Head", but nothing "religious" or whatever. Something
to the effect of "I hope you're having fun, because life isn't worth living
if you're not having fun..."
> I haven't gotten a chance to see KX this tour, so was
> there something else beyond their religious beliefs that got under
> your skin? Bad tone? Was Pinnick hoarse?
Actually, I noticed that quite often in between songs Doug went for a spray
bottle near him, plus he coughed a couple of times. Probably some kind of
throat medicine, or something.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 12:06:26 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: comments on a past Working Man review
Message-ID: <320B6202.2FE9@caribe.net>
> the "I know nothing" part especially. The Rush tribute album rules.
> Someone who doesn't appreciate this album doesn't deserve to own seeing
> how its so hard to come by. He should give it to someone who will want
> and appreciate musical magnitute.
mememememememememememe! :)
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:11:49 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MTV Message-ID: <v01520d03ae30cbd817d4@[199.171.22.23]>
Rick Terry in Y'Jam #1748 wrote: > I agree with you 100%. The involvement of the visual media was > not a good thing for music in general. It has made music into > more of a fashion statement than an art form.
that would probably explain why all of those Glam Rock bands came about shortly after MTV hit the scene...
Dan
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:14:14 -0400 From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Deen Castronova / Rush Trib. Message-ID: <v01520d04ae30ccb34b43@[199.171.22.23]>
OK...kill me for asking this question...
I know I've heard of this guy before, but I can't place him. What band or artist has he played with? He plays on "Anthem," "Natural Science," and "YYZ" on the Rush Tribute.
Dan
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I couldn't agree more. Ted Kirkpatrick is a great drummer. Not as good as Portnoy, IMO, but than again, who is? :)
> (esp. the track K517 on their latest full-length album "Vanishing > Lessons" - it's a drum solo played along to a Scarlatti harpsichord > piece).
I loved VL and "K517" at first, but now it gets on my nerves. VL is really weak compared to their other albums, as far as the drumming goes. It's still a good album, though. I'd go with maybe Psycho Surgery or Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance, both available on either Metal Blade Records or Intense Records. Both are speed metal with a classical feel/influence, especially the title track of PS and most of POD.
Note: they are a christian band...but good lyrics (not too propagandizing, 'cept for their first album Stop the Bleeding), as opposed to *most* christian bands...many medical related to spiritual themes in lyrics.
> You also may dig Believer for some blinding time changes and some > funky time signatures and stuff. the music here can get rather > heavy at times, so you may or may not dig that.
Vocals almost remind me of Chuck Shuldiner of DEATH...at times. They've got three (out-of-print) albums, and I've only heard one of them. I can't seem to find 'em anywhere...but I'm looking.
Dan
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:12:28 -0700 From: Adam Barnhart <adamb@cfmc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sometimes you're the bug.... Message-ID: <199608091712.KAA19731@main.cfmc.com>
>From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) > >I just saw an ad in Guitar magazine for "IOR - Instrumentals of Rock". It's >supposedly a radio show dedicated to instrumental guitarists. They had a poll >and Joe Satriani, Carlos Santana and Eric Johnson were the top vote-getters. > >Anyway, it lists under future shows - John Petrucci discussing "A Change of >Seasons". Does anyone get this show? I'm going to call them up to see which >cities get it and will post them if anyone is interested.
I got it when I lived back in LA. VERY cool show. It was the one place where I could count on hearing Stu Hamm's "Lone Star" (With Eric Johnson on guitar!) on the radio from time to time. If you can get it, I highly recommend it.
And Stone Trek, too. Greg Stone hosts (Hosted? It's been a while since I lived down south) a show dedicated to progressive music. First time I ever heard Marillion on the radio! They played a fair amount of Rush, too, though not any real Prog Metal (a little Queensryche, I guess).
>From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
> Anyhow, (sorry about no personal responses), but to the person >replying about Dave Weckyl: Yes, it's spelled WECKYL, and he is an >awesome newer style jazz artist. I played, or at least attempted to play >to many of his songs while taking lessons in high school.
Hmm....that's a new spelling to me. I, too, has previously seen it Weckl. Played with Patitucci for a while....awfully good.
> Of course, I like heavy stuff, too, like Rush, Queensryche, >Savatage (just got the CD though, so haven't heard it much yet), extreme, >etc. Nobody comments on EXTREME. I mean, the stuff that doesn't get >radio play is awesome, especially on pornagraffiti. Their newest release >is rather dissappointing, except that they obtained a new good double >bass drummer! I think though that Nuno is right up there with Petrucci >on guitars. Anyone interested check out the instrumental track on >extreme's newest release - incredible guitar piece. (crap - can't >remember title - midnight something?)
Extreme's a good one, too. I actually don't know that "Pornograffitti" is any better than the first album. More mature, but they're both awfully good. Actually, I like all four records. Weird radio fixation: When I was in the greater Sacramento area, I noticed one of the stations out there (The Eagle...don't remember the call letters) liked playing "Am I Ever Gonna Change," part of their big progressive piece from "Three Sides To Every Story."
> How about the STEVE MORSE BAND'S newest release. I think Morse >gets better as he gets older, unlike RUSH. Will RUSH ever do odd times >again in any of their songs, like their older stuff? Also, speaking of >RUSH, how can I get this tribute CD that I see mixed reactions about?
Well, they're using a lot of 6's lately, I've noticed, letting phrases breathe. "Presto" had a lot of that (I suppose that doesn't really count as "lately"). "Double Agent" off "Counterparts" shifts around a little, too. But no, they certainly don't sound like they did circa "A Farewell To Kings." And, as a huge Rush fan, I don't mind. I think they've put together some awesome records over the past 10 years or so.
>From: Scott Holthausen <smh@ldg.com> > >> I mean....GOD!!!!! ....The Sheehan stuff is more interesting that the >>originals!!!! >>(Not surprising....Billy can play circles around anyone....(including Lee, >>Hamm, and Myung)) >> > >For some real bass playing check out Michael Manring's "THONK". A real eye >opener.
Yeah. There's a load of 'em, though. Sheehan playing circles around anyone? Hmm...."Nv43345" and "L.A. A La Mode" are pretty damn frightening, but I'm not sure they're any MORE frightening than "Terminal Beach," "Count Zero," or "Quahogs Anyone?" And there are other guys who can play some phenomenal stuff...Brian Bromberg, Stanley Clarke, even Adrian Davidson. Still, from a bass playing perspective, Geddy seems to play the coolest lines. Jaco, probably, would be my #2 guy.
Adam D. Barnhart adamb@cfmc.com ydnt85a@prodigy.com
Five Gratuitous CD's: ===================== 1. Last Exit: The Noise of Trouble (Live In Japan) 2. Mahler: Symphony No. 1 3. Cab Calloway: Minnie The Moocher 4. Metal Church: The Human Factor 5. Urban Dance Squad: Mental Relapse
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petition eMpTyV Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960809133633.15687J-100000@bdmserver>
http://www.cris.com/~fragface/mtvhater.shtml
Sign a petition that MTV sucks and headbanger's ball shall return...
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:39:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FYI Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960809123254.13191C-100000@rossby>
Just to let everyone know how much of an "odd-time" freak I am, I have listened to "Learning to Live" many times, and written down every time signature in the entire song, from the 15-8 measures in the intro to the 5-8,5-8,5-8,2-4,6-8,6-8,6-8,2-4 melody taken from Wait for Sleep. I find it particular invigorating to play various odd-time songs on drums, such as many RUSH songs, ranging from La Villa Strangiato (took me probably a year to completely work this one up!) to YYZ, to Subdivisions. I LOVE playing to RUSH songs on my set. UNfortunately, my set is back in NY, so I haven't played drums since January! YIKES! Anyone live in central OK who's on this YTSEJAM talk?
Anyone else as much into transcribing and figuring out time signatures as I am?
Jon
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 12:46:16 -0500 From: RipZero <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: quickie. Message-ID: <320B7968.4890@dreamt.org>
>One more question: Is it worth getting the silent man single release >for the song "EVE"?
Y E S !
savatage right when you wake up rocks. ~Rip
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 12:51:25 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding Message-ID: <320B88AD.F27@mo.net>
Hey all. One of the major radio stations here in the St. Louis area (K-SHE 95 (94.7 FM)) is doing a big blood drive, and they just played the original version of Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding as part of the blood drive theme. I must say that this is probably my favorite Elton john song. DT really did faithful cover of this. In fact, there were times when I almost thought it was DT's version (especially since I just listened to it yesterday). I do prefer James' voice, though.
Dale R. Newberry
"Remember to look out for number one, and don't step in number two." -Steve & DC
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 1996 14:11:58 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199608091818.OAA21239@uhura.ici.net>
> I mean it goes...WDADU...LatM...I&A...Awake >..ACoS!
Err...I think LatM came out after Images and Words...(there's songs from I&W on it, James sings on it, etc.). Sorry to blow a hole in your theory. :)
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>Devin Townsend now performs in his band ... [snip] >He performs on the Judas Priest tribute also...
That's the second of third time I've seen somebody refer to the Priest tribute like it's out already. Is it? If so, what's it called? What label is it on? Who else plays on it? I need more information!! :)
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> One more question: Is it worth getting the silent man single >release for the song "EVE"?
Abso-FUCKING-lutely!!!!! I would say this single is a MUST-HAVE for any DT fan. The demo version of TTT on there is better than the one on I&W, IMHO.
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