YTSEJAM Digest 1748
Today's Topics:
1) Angra
by Eduardo.Oliveira@mail.sky.com.br
2) James LaBrie replacement?!
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
3) List of links to metal pages
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
4) Working Man Trib
by michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley)
5) New prog group
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) Re: Magellan and Aqualung
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
7) Rush Tribute, KM, and CD
by W_RICK_PIERPONT@BDHQ.BD.COM
8) Magellan, RUSH trib/SRO
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 1747
by "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com>
10) DT videos/MTV, DT merchandise, Japanese ACOS (All DTC to pacify the whiners)
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
11) Ack!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
12) Tributes
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
13) 6-fingered man
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
14) ClockWork
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
15) Labrie has LEFT DT!!!!
by "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: 8 Aug 1996 11:17:34 EDT
From: Eduardo.Oliveira@mail.sky.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra
Message-ID: <199608081427.HAA07248@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hi!
I have just subscribed ytsejam and it is the first mail I send.
Does anyone Know Angra? It is a brazilian band.
See ya!
(Where are the brazilian jammers?)
Eduardo Oliveira.
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 09:45:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: James LaBrie replacement?!
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960808094000.20263A-100000@rossby>
Hey Folks,
I'm brand spankin' new on this YTSE jam list, and just wondering,
what is this talk about a James LaBrie replacement? I hope this is just
hypothetical talk, because not many out there can sing with the range he
has. Also, FYI I'm a big drumming fan, with RUSH having been my favorite
rock band before DT came along (no real shock there!). I've played to a
whole array of RUSH songs on my set back home in NY. I'm also into
some jazz (very limited though) with Dave Weckyl as my favorite jazz
drummer.
Any suggestions on other artists I should pursue for some
excellent drumming, as well as good music?
Jon Case
OK graduate student.
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:04:16 +0100 (BST)
From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: List of links to metal pages
Message-ID: <Marcel-0.99-0808140416-1cbW1kb@aberry.demon.co.uk>
I am hoping to set up a web page which will consist of links to sites
containing information on metal bands. If you run or know of any official or
unofficial metal sites please email me the URL so I can add it to the list.
By 'metal' I mean any heavy, thrash, death, black, power, progessive, doom,
speed or grind metal you can think of. I would like this to be the most
comprehensive list of links on the internet, but for it to work it needs
your input. If you think I will already know of a site then please email me
anyway because you'd be suprised what I don't know! Thanks in advance.
All URLs or other information mailto:andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk
The proposed site will be at http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallist/
The page has already been set up but contains only this message at present.
Thanks in advance for your help.
-- +-----Andrew Berry--------------------- http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk -----+ | "You're waiting for tomorrow, well tomorrow never comes. | | Ha, you're waiting for your new dawn, so sad to say there isn't one. | +- Because (you fools) tomorrow belongs to nobody." - Carcass ------------+------------------------------
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:28:41 -0400 From: michael.bradley@mail.cc.trincoll.edu (Michael Bradley) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Working Man Trib Message-ID: <v01520d02ae2f7ee0b33c@[157.252.51.124]>
Hey guys,
I just got the Rush Tribute, which was released on Aug. 6. I just want to say a little bit about it very generally and quickly. First, I love the album and I think Mike Portnoy and Billy Sheehan do a great job, so they're in the clear. However, some of the playing is a bit much. I found some of the guitar solos a little excessive, to the point of detracting from the original feel of the song. Also, the production on James' vocals, and all the vocals for that matter isn't great, so he sounds awesome performance-wise, but not as striking production-wise as, say, Awake or ACOS. Finally, IMHO, Devin Townshend's rendition of Natural Science is worth the price of the album. Creepy...powerful...man, he needs to get in a band again! LAter all.
-Mike
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 11:57:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New prog group Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960808115515.27148G-100000@bdmserver>
There is a local prog metal band to DC called Division (formerly Visionary).
Their web page is http://www.erols.com/division/
I've only heard their sample on the site and I will definitely seek out more about this band.
Supposedly they are opening for Yngwie at Jaxx on August 24 Saturday.
Anybody else heard/seen them?
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com | |=======================================================================| | "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater | | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------| |The Baltimore Orioles-The team to beat in 1996!!!!!!! | Go DC United! | |-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 12:26:09 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Magellan and Aqualung Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960808122735.21a7f76a@access.mountain.net>
At 09:44 PM 8/7/96 -0700, you wrote: >Thought I'd give those who don't know a brief description of Magellan >(there's even some DT content). > >They'rrrrrr Grrrreat!
Guess I'm just slow, or something. I've tried to like Magellan (I've heard the Magna Carta release) and it just doesn't happen for me. The drum machine drives me nuts! No, there isn't a Peart or a Portnoy around every corner, but there are plenty of good drummers out there who can handle some complex stuff. The lyrics are, uh, well, horrible. The historical ones seem really forced and the others don't seem to go anywhere (the exception being "Songsmith"). Their songwriting skills seem to be non-existant. They just string together riffs and jams and call it a song. I think, in all honesty, that they're trying to hard to sound proggy. If they'd slow down and concentrate on writing something musical, I think they'd be better off.
Just a dissenting opinion . . .
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Law school, that great American baby-sitter For directionless postgrads." -John Grisham (Esq.), "The Runaway Jury"
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:43:17 -0400 From: W_RICK_PIERPONT@BDHQ.BD.COM To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Tribute, KM, and CD Message-ID: <9607088395.AA839534795@BDHQ.BD.COM>
Hello once again, Well, I've had the chance to listen to the tribute a few more times (and on a better system then these cheap ass computer speakers). I still think it is great, however, I definitely have to agree with Mr. Zebrowski, most of the guitar solos are overplayed and take away from the emotion that they originally had. I am most disappointed with Jake E. Lee's (my favorite Ozzy guitarists after RR) and believe it or not Steve Morse (another of my favs). The solo in La Villa is one of my favorite Alex solos (that's why I learned it note for note) and I was deeply disappointed to NOT hear the solo reproduced properly. It was a good solo it its own right, but it just doesn't do Alex any justice. To me, the way SOME of these guitarist butchered the solos (and rhythms in some cases) was a slap on the face to Alex. It is nice to put your own touch into a solo, just don't COMPLETELY rewrite it. The intro to the trees is also completely wrong! I already sarid my piece on Devin yesterday but when I let my wife listen to it last night, she also laughed and wanted to know who the hell that was. Don't get me wrong I still enjoy the hell out of this CD. I've never been much of a Sheehan fan, but I think he played really well (his little improvs were tasteful not over done like the guitars). MP, JLB, JP, and FW's performances were shining moments on the CD. I do think that if the whole CD had been DT and FW it would have been perfect! My Rush kick is in gear again (been listening to Caress of Steel and Fly By Night again this morning). Does anyone have the Yes or Pink Floyd tributes? If so, how are they? What about the rest of the Magna Carta stuff besides SG and Magellan? Please e-mail me or post to the jam on this one. Thanks. Someone mentioned in earlier jam about JLB on Life in Still Water. Are you also aware that KM played on At Fate's Hand (perfect symmetry)? Also, another reason I didn't like WDADU at first (I love it now) was because of Charlie Dominici's voice. JLB has so more strength, balls, and range. LaTM really shows how much better WDADU would've been with JLB and JP's new sound. Well, I think that's enough for now? See ya, Rick Pierpont P.S. Any N. Balto Co/S. York Co. jammers out there?
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:04:38 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Magellan, RUSH trib/SRO Message-ID: <320a1de4.1245424@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 15:07:26 -0400 (EDT) >From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> > >Anyone have any info on Magellan, by the way? I had heard good things >about them, and then heard them butcher "Aqualung," and now I'm not too >sure I want their album.
I find Magellan to be VERY Yes derivative. There are the obligatory time signature changes, but the songs don't flow particularly well. And Trent Gardner's voice..... well, let's just say that I'm trying to keep my breakfast down. :) I have Impending Ascension. Musically, it's OK. Nothing to write home about though, so you might want to audition it before buying.
>Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:49:32 -0400 (EDT) >From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com> > > Rick...what is SRO? I have found all my Magna Carta stuff at >HMV downtown, 333 Yonge...proud owner of Magellan and Shadow Gallary >CD's don't ya know...
SRO is Rush' management. I called HMV and was told that they won't be carrying the album. Tower's position is the same since it's sale is being blocked in Canada. They said that they might do import orders from the US, if they are allowed to. It didn't sound very hopeful though.
Rick
Depressed in Toronto
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Greg \"Big Brother\" Lee" <greg@aix.can.ibm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 1747 Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.960808130423.55208B-100000@hal.toraix.can.ibm.com>
On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org> > Subject: Interesting Idea...? > > I'm new to the list so I don't know if this has ever been suggested before, > but I'll suggest it now... > Is there anyone out there who would see a twin bill of DT and Savatage? I'm > just wondering.
I'd see DT with ABBA! I don't give a shit who they tour with, just bring 'em on!
Greg, Toronto
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 17:04:30 GMT From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT videos/MTV, DT merchandise, Japanese ACOS (All DTC to pacify the whiners) Message-ID: <320a1c99.914501@mail.inforamp.net>
Good morning,
>Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:30:13 -0400 >From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) > >OK, OK...agreed. It never has been about the music (at least not in my >day), but it should be. It's a bunch of crap how eMpTyV and advertisements >dictate that bands like Bush and Presidents are/were the hot thing...but >then again, just my opinion...
I agree with you 100%. The involvement of the visual media was not a good thing for music in general. It has made music into more of a fashion statement than an art form. The material that is played on MTV can be appealing visually, but generally leaves much to be desired in the sonic sense. After all, when was the last time you saw a video for something progressive played? Even progressive material has been butchered by the video industry. The editing of TTT and PMU are good examples. Those songs lose a great deal of their identity in the video. The PMU video is VERY cheesy. It has nothing to do with the intended lyrical content, not because they couldn't do it, but because it wouldn't be as appealing to all of the little metalheads out there. :) TTT is not much better. A collage of people meeting challenges would have suited that song much better. One of the best videos I have seen in recent years is the QR video for Best I Can. The video fits the lyrical theme and that is a true rarity in the industry.
>Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:26:56 -0500 >From: innerlogic@sos.on.ca > >I wrote you private email asking for places to get DT merchandise in >T.O.. > >The closest thing I've found is.. DT tab books in Steve's music.. other >than that nothing.. :(
It's a truly sad state of affairs. There is nothing outside of the odd tab book. You will come across the occasional bootleg, but there are no shirts or tour books to be had. James should force Eastwest to market stuff in Canada! I'm sure that they could easily sell a few hundred shirts here. I might buy all of them and scalp them! :) Yeah, Rick the fashion pirate!! Get your DT shirtz here! ;)
>Date: Wed, 07 Aug 96 08:49:36 PST >From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM > > Well, I didn't buy it yet... I was hoping there was a way to tell if the >coupon is inside or not (before popping $30)... I suppose it wouldn't hurt to >ask the store if they can open it (they probably will refuse...)...
Ask them. Tell them you want to know if it has the coupon in it for the bonus disc and that would be the only reason you'd purchase it. They can always shrink wrap it again. If they want your money, they'll work for it.
Cheers,
Rick Toronto
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 13:42:38 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ack! Message-ID: <199608081842.NAA15011@enteract.com>
I have to say, I enjoyed the last jam muchly except for one thing... what's the deal with the MIME crap? And the guy who quoted the MIME crap and said "Don't do that".... isn't that like teaching your kids not to throw brinks at each other by showing them how mad mommy gets when you drop a cinder block on her head? Err... maybe there's a better way to explain that...
To the poor new drooler that does not know the name of the Rush Tribute: it's called The Working Man, it came out Tuesday, and you can get it anywhere. It's good, but not as good as everyone's making it sound. I guess even with all this massive virtuosity, I still like good ol' Rush better. I thought some of the people tried too hard (Eric Martin and Devon Townsend) and some of the people didn't try hard enough (Jake E. Lee and George Lynch among others)
Later!
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! -------------------------------------------------------- "I was so happy with the service, I decided to ask for a JOB!" - Me
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu> To: Ytse Jam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tributes Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608081459.S18442-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
> From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> > Subject: Men At Work... er, Working Man. > > You people are right. Devin Townsend is one big mistake. Somebody go step > on his nads for me.
Um, I think it's too late for that. :)
> Maybe it's the latent psychosis acting up again, but in Red Barchetta, I > keep hearing James (who is even more The Man than ever) sing "I strip away > the old Labrie..."
Me too!!! (We need help, Scotch. :)
> I'm not used to hearing Portnoy's cymbals mixed that loudly. He does so > much cymbalwork, it really takes over the songs. Nothing wrong with that, > though. And I dig his trademark "Can You Guess The Time Signature: 4/4 > Over 6/8 Or Vice Versa?" trick that he chucks in there.
Well, as for the cymbal work, that's what I think has always set MP apart from the others. I'm glad it's so high in the mix. I mean, I think my fave drum work on Awake is the slow beginning part to LSoaD. He really chooses his percussion well. That's what I like about Zonder, too. Anyone can play a song with hi-hat, snare, and bass drum. But these guys tastefully use their percussion to define a distinct style. I hope to hear more of it on the next DT album.
> Who is James Murphy? He kicks ass on every tune!
New Testament guitarist.
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> From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Rush tribute > Message-ID: <199608080500.BAA06873@umbc10.umbc.edu> > > > This would have fared much better if it had been "A Dream Theater Tribute to > Rush." John Petrucci is the only guitarist worth anything on this CD. All > guitarists on this CD other than him suck shit on these songs. I got really > sick of hearing the first four notes of a Lifeson guitar solo only to lead > into a mindless shred-fest. JP had the decency to play accurate Lifeson-esque > solos. Is not the beauty of Alex's playing the fact that he can shred like > anyone, but he knows when NOT to? That aspect of his playing has always been
Well... Rush is a very precise band, but I think the idea of the tribute was for those musicians to play what they felt, what Rush songs did to them. It's not 100% faithful to the originals, but then again, why should it be? I would just listen to the originals then.
And, imho, by and large the liberties that were taken with the tunes were very tasteful. Showcasing the musicians' ability and their feeling, without compromising the integrity of the songs.
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> From: Dale Gantz <dgantz@nacs.org> > Subject: Interesting Idea...? > > Is there anyone out there who would see a twin bill of DT and Savatage? I'm > just wondering.
memememememememe :)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ Secretary cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" UVM Comp Sci Student Assn d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" - Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List http://www.emba.uvm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 14:09:15 -0600 From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 6-fingered man Message-ID: <320A496B.77FD@mo.net>
>... I think he's the 6-Fingered Man.
"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father (or is it brother. I can't remember). Prepare to die!"
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Thu, 08 Aug 1996 15:23:27 -0400 From: Kain <kain@caribe.net> To: Ytse-Jammers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: ClockWork Message-ID: <320A3EAF.59A7@caribe.net>
hey i just got my Clockwork tape. These guys are good! I liked them very much and the transitions. The keyboard is really cool too. And Anthony, keep up this work! Really good stuff, and they've got a new singer, which they said was better, so this is gonna kick ass :) -- /---------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Best way to love anything, is keeping in mind you might lose it." | | "Spread before me is my soul, I'm learning to live." Dream Theater | | | | Visit the official page of the world's best band, Dream Theater at | | http://www.rsabbs.com/dt | \---------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:22:41 +0000 From: "Chris Ptacek" <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Labrie has LEFT DT!!!! Message-ID: <199608081922.OAA17147@enteract.com>
Oh My God! I just found out... James Labrie has left DT! He will be replaced by Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam! Oh No!!!
(Just revenge for spamming with that WINMAIL.Dat code)
> This is not a complaint, but more of... an observation. I have recently Duder, we've been through this already, I think. It's a minority that really is getting bummed by the jams as of late, and I must say I think they've been getting betteras of the last 2 weeks. After that flame war, we've all seemed to calm down. Give it some time. I bet it's gonna return to its former glory.
> > Date: Wed, 07 Aug 1996 10:13:28 +0200 > From: Rajkai P_ter <intcred@ibm.net> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: MP's drum video > Message-ID: <32085028.19C4@ibm.net> > > A few month ago I was in Japan and saw an instructional video of Mike Portnoy. > Has somebody seen it? Is it worth having it? > I have Petrucci's video and that kicks ass... but you know it, too. > Peter > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 01:47:59 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Rebecca L. Taylor" <rtaylor@potlatch.esd112.wednet.edu> > To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 174 (Rush tribute Album) > Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.92.960807014520.5947B-100000@potlatch.esd112.wednet.edu> > > > I called around trying to find the Rush tribute album too... I > live in Seattle and the only place around here that has it is Silver > Platters... Most stores don't carry it... I don't think you are supposed > to be able to purchase it in the U.S. Anyway, good luck finding it... > > Marcus. > You can get it at Tower Records, Best Buy, Borders, Musicland, Discount Records, Coconuts, and Barnes and Noble, so far as I've seen. Your town must suck! J/K... any land that can spawn Queensryche is allowed to release afterbirths like Pearl Jam and Nirvana. Hell.. my town let Smashing Pumpkins escape and putrify the world... I have no room to talk!
> Just found a Queensryche live in Tokyo video from a local used record > store, if anyone is interested, it is for sale, true rarity, isn't it?
I think I want it. I'll e mail you.
> YES!!!! > Devin is EASILY the WORST singer I've ever heard! His forte, > in his opinion, is his ability to scream. The problem is that HE > DOESN'T KNOW WHEN TO SHUT IT OFF!!!!! :) > He sings on Vai's Sex and Religion and there are only one or > two listenable tracks on that record. Some otherwise good songs were > totally BUTCHERED by this musical abattoir owner. > If any of you like his voice, you're welcome to e-mail me and > I'll sell you sex and religion for $8. It's the worst piece of shit > vocally I've heard in years. Normally I wouldn't use the word shit, > but sometimes accuracy is more important than style. :) > If any of you have a heart, PLEASE digitize some small samples > of the tribute and mail them to the Canadians on the jam until we can > get our mitts on this thing. I have called 2 record stores in Toronto > and both told me that SRO is blocking the sale of the disc in Canada. > :( > BASTARDS!!!!!
ROFLMAO! Is it just me or did that remind you of Bobcat Goldthwait (However it's spelled)
I've never seen such hate for a vocalist... you hate him more than I hate that B-52's fruit bucket singer! That just amused the hell out of me though...
p.s. I sorta like Devon's singing on Vai. I have a Wierd B-Side from that album that has even stranger vocals on it.
Later!
Chris Ptacek (312) 248-8511 EnterAct, L.L.C. Check www.cnet.com someone@enteract.com for *YOUR* ISP Ratings! -------------------------------------------------------- "I was so happy with the service, I decided to ask for a JOB!" - Me
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