YTSEJAM Digest 1758
Today's Topics:
1) DT New album
by Vince French <shi@atcon.com>
2) DFERN PLEASE EMAIL ME ! ! ! !
by Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
3) bands appearing on tributes
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
4) My perspective on the Rush tribute as a fan of 23 years
by rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
5)
by
6) Dissapointed with Rush tribute
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
7) CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Acoustic Dreams
by JamesArin@aol.com
8) Still Trying to Catch Up
by "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
9) CD dubs of Mike Bahr's SUBCONSCIOUS
by JamesArin@aol.com
10) Rush Tribute
by kurt@fgallery.com
11) Acoustic Dreams
by kurt@fgallery.com
12) EOT & HOR
by auhcy@asu.edu
13) Marillion/Maiden set
by mjnewb@mo.net (Monty Newberry)
14) Fan network, Rush reactions
by zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
15) Critical Mass
by John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
16) ...no subject...
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
17) TV alert
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
18) Angra and Viper
by Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
19) asdf
by Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 14:35:52 -0300
From: Vince French <shi@atcon.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT New album
Message-ID: <199608131735.OAA24272@thor.atcon.com>
Hey all, I was gone for the summer, and didn;t have a chance to read
any Ytsejams, so I'm kinda lost on the news.
I was just wondering if anyone knew the release date for DT's
upcoming CD, and maybe the name of it and/or track listing. Sorry if this
has been answered before. Any info would be greatly appreciated.
__________________________________________________________________
Sensory Haze Inneractive
Software Design
Vince French
Chatham, NB
CANADA
Phone -=> (506) 773-7205
Fax -=> (506) 773-7205
email -=> shi@atcon.com
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 03:26:44 -0700
From: Scott Cook <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DFERN PLEASE EMAIL ME ! ! ! !
Message-ID: <32105864.18EB@earthlink.net>
Sorry about the personal post but my hard drive crashed and took ALL my files
with it.
DAVE FERNQUIST PLEASE EMAIL ME ! !! !! !!
Thanks,
Scott
*****************************************************************************"The only angst I have is that I'm not making MORE money on this tour."
Gene $immons
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 13:27:36 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: bands appearing on tributes
Message-ID: <3210D728.1C5D@mo.net>
Last jam someone mentioned how oftentimes some members of the band who
is the subject of said tribute will make appearances on the album.
Remember, Ozzy appeared on the Sabbath tribute (my faves on that album
were the one Dickinson sang on and the Megadeth cover (I like "Paranoid"
anyway). Cheers.
Dale R. Newberry
"For some reason there's a big Dream Theater entourage in the whole
computer thing, and they all trade bootlegs and tapes and just talk
about different shows they're going to..."
-Mike Portnoy on Headbangers Ball
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:42:05 GMT
From: rterry@inforamp.net (Rick Terry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My perspective on the Rush tribute as a fan of 23 years
Message-ID: <3210c4ac.207451@mail.inforamp.net>
Good Afternoon!
>Date: Mon, 12 Aug 1996 23:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
>A report on the National Midnight Star, the Rush mailing list, says
>that some Canadian record stores were mailed a letter asking them not
>to order or stock WORKING MAN because Rush was not receiving any
>royalties from the sales, and because (they said) the recording
>quality wasn't that good.
That's the first I've heard about he royalties. However, it is
true that Music World, Tower and HMV won't touch the disc. Sam the
Record Man may, but I am still awaiting word on that.
>This sounds to me like dirty pool. I didn't hear anything at all
>wrong with the recording, and Terry Brown should deserve better
>treatment from Rush. Hmm, a modern-day "Broon's Bane" here.
Agreed. Terry was as much a part of the sound that got them
noticed as the members themselves, and I can't help but wonder if this
was done to spite him.
>As for the royalties, I thought if the songwriting credits listed
>Lee/Lifeson/Peart then it's a done deal; either the royalties get
>paid or Magna Carta gets in legal trouble.
That's my understanding of the process as well. I have also
heard something to the effect that if artists use material from one
artist exclusively , with the intent of profiting from it, they must
seek the permission of the artist prior to the recording. However, I
was under the impression that the tribute originally had the band's
blessing and they had a change of heart after recording had been
completed.
I feel that Rush/SRO's attitude to this whole thing is
completely immature. Christ!!! Wake up boys!!! The people on this
tribute IDOLIZE your music. They could have done a tribute to the
Beatles or any one of 1,000 other artists, but they chose you!!!
Rush should be flattered as hell that others have put their
energies into this work. In fact, many people who are not Rush fans
may wind up drawn to their work by the range of artists on the
tribute.
>If this is so, well..... As a protest, I -will- purchase TEST FOR
>ECHO, but not until the second or third week of release.
I applaud that decision and suggest that many of us do the
same. I may even boycott their next Toronto stop and I haven't missed
a tour since AFTK in 1977.
I'm just thoroughly disgusted to think that the members of
Rush, who have brought so much inspiration to us all over the years
with their open-minded approach to music, have now chosen a path of
contempt and arrogance toward those who idolize them.
If the situation doesn't clear up, they could potentially
destroy Magna Carta and take all of MC's artists down with them. If
that happens, I will never forgive them. I will not buy TfE until I
have heard whether or not the band has backed away from their
aggressive posture. I have heard recently that they are pursuing a law
suit against Magna Carta and want ALL sales of the record halted.
As I said on IRC, so much for the Spirit of Radio. It is dead
in Toronto.
Cheers,
Rick
Pissed off in Toronto
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Marty Friedman and James Labrie together! That should be interesting...
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| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 1-1 (preseason) |
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 14:25:16 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Dissapointed with Rush tribute
Message-ID: <9608132125.AA10081@tengs1>
While I don't think it sucks, it seems to be rather...
uninspired. The mix sounds really muddy as well. It's almost
like it's a demo or something. The rhythm section is pretty tight
almost throughout, however. James' vocals are the best on the
album, and I think Jacob's ladder is great (though I don't
really care for the original). Some parts seem like they were
being tried too hard, and other parts (Analog Kid) don't seem
near as tight as the original. AFter listening to it for over
a week, it's going to the bottom of the pile for a while.
Zach
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:46:13 -0400
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD dubs of Mike Bahr's Acoustic Dreams
Message-ID: <960813174610_178158400@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Yes it is true as the subject line states I can make you a copy of
Acoustic Dreams on CD. Now I say again that this is a COPY and it is not an
original from some secret stock pile. :^)
I have received permission from Mike to do this and my intent is not to
compete with him. I am doing this because I realize that there are a number
of Jammers that missed out on Acoustic Dreams and I would like to help.
> A note from Mike:
> Hi everyone! I can't make any more, you're all well aware of
>that. It seems like what Jim's doing here is a decent enough project... I
>don't even know how he's going to cover costs because I barely did when I
>was using much less expensive recording media. If you missed out on
>Subconscious, this is your chance to at least get a CD copy of it. It
>won't be the original, numbered, valuable collectible, but it will be the
>same music on CD and that sure beats cassettes! :) For the record, as the
>original creator of Subconscious, I give my blessing for this project to
>go forward, and he might do Acoustic Dreams later; who knows!
>
>MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
It WILL sound exactly the same as the original.
It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original.
It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S.
Additional postage: USA free
Canada / Mex $1.00 US
Scandinavia $3.00 US
Europe / UK $4.00 US
Japan $5.00 US
Aus/NZ/etc. $5.00 US
If you send a money order I can mail the disc out without delay (usually
1 or 2 days after recieving payment). With a check I must wait 10 business
days after I deposit it in order for my bank to tell me if it has cleared. I
don't mind doing this but if you want it ASAP send a money order. :^)
SEND PAYMENTS TO:
JAMES ARIN COLBERG
P.O. Box 751
BRANFORD, CT. 06405-0751
USA
Please include with your payment a note with the following information:
Acoustic Dreams Order
NAME:
RETURN ADDRESS:
E-MAIL:
# of COPIES:
Thanks,
Jim Colberg
JamesArin@aol.com
===========================================================
Acoustic Dreams Track List:
1. Another Day (4:38)
2. Lifting Shadows (5:30)
3. Wait for Sleep (2:32)
4. Silent Man (3:30)
5. Long Island Expressway (2:34)
6. Tears (3:14)
7. O Holy Night (4:01)
8. Perfect Strangers (5:51)
9. Six O'Clock (5:47)
10. Caught In a Web (5:27)
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Ryan P. Skadberg" <skadberg@wicked.stigmata.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Still Trying to Catch Up
Message-ID: <199608132144.RAA04112@wicked.stigmata.org>
NEW MIKE BAHR CD UPDATE AVAILABLE FROM THE ARCHIVE:
get ytsejam bahr080996
Skadz
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Ryan P Skadberg skadz@soundlogic.com
Internet / Network / Systems Consultant
Sound Logic Consulting New Media Communications
http://www.soundlogic.com http://www.mindstorm.com
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for the first time in a long time everything was right
in my world and then i woke up
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 17:46:39 -0400
From: JamesArin@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: CD dubs of Mike Bahr's SUBCONSCIOUS
Message-ID: <960813174638_178158507@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Yes it is true as the subject line states I can make you a copy of
SUBCONSCIOUS on CD. Now I say again that this is a COPY and it is not an
original from some secret stock pile. :^)
I have received permission from Mike to do this and my intent is not to
compete with him. I am doing this because I realize that there are a number
of Jammers that missed out on SUBCONSCIOUS and I would like to help.
> A note from Mike:
> Hi everyone! I can't make any more, you're all well aware of
>that. It seems like what Jim's doing here is a decent enough project... I
>don't even know how he's going to cover costs because I barely did when I
>was using much less expensive recording media. If you missed out on
>Subconscious, this is your chance to at least get a CD copy of it. It
>won't be the original, numbered, valuable collectible, but it will be the
>same music on CD and that sure beats cassettes! :) For the record, as the
>original creator of Subconscious, I give my blessing for this project to
>go forward, and he might do Acoustic Dreams later; who knows!
>
>MTFBWY! Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com/mikebahr@dreamt.org
It WILL sound exactly the same as the original.
It WILL NOT look exactly the same as the original.
It WILL cost the same as the original. $25 U.S.
Additional postage: USA free
Canada / Mex $1.00 US
Scandinavia $3.00 US
Europe / UK $4.00 US
Japan $5.00 US
Aus/NZ/etc. $5.00 US
If you send a money order I can mail the disc out without delay (usually
1 or 2 days after recieving payment). With a check I must wait 10 business
days after I deposit it in order for my bank to tell me if it has cleared. I
don't mind doing this but if you want it ASAP send a money order. :^)
SEND PAYMENTS TO:
JAMES ARIN COLBERG
P.O. Box 751
BRANFORD, CT. 06405-0751
USA
Please include with your payment a note with the following information:
SUBCONSCIOUS ORDER
NAME:
RETURN ADDRESS:
E-MAIL:
# of COPIES:
Thanks,
Jim Colberg
JamesArin@aol.com
===========================================================
Track List
1. Eve (5:21) Live at the Limelight, New York City 3/4/93.
2. A Change of Seasons (19:19) Same as above.
3. O Holy Night (4:10) W/ Charlie Dominici
4. Carry That Weight/Golden Slumbers (6:13) 1988 W/ Charlie Dominici.
5. Don't Look Past Me (6:21) Majesty demo W/ John Hendricks.
6. Wanted: Dead or Alive (5:08) Spoof of the Bon Jovi song.
7. To Live Forever (acoustic) (4:54) From James LaBrie's vocal audition.
8. The Gorilla Session (excerpts) (2:59) Early Petrucci noodling.
9. Mission: Impossible Theme (1:17)
10. The Back Pain Jam (5:07) (RPM Warehouse) 10/25/94 Toronto, Canada
11. The Awake Heavy Jam (3:51)
12. Experimental (1:23) John Myung noodling.
13. Tears (3:09) Rush cover from Ronnie Scotts "Uncovered" London, 1-31-95
14. Winter (2:23) A Tori Amos cover, also from Ronnie Scotts "Uncovered".
15. Mystery track
Compiled and Prodced by Mike Bahr, durnik@indirect.com March, 1995
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 18:09:10 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush Tribute
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.13.-14.9.10.2916992174.323263@bbs.fgallery.com>
Under what do i look for the cd in record stores..? since Rush isnt in
the title?
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 19:56:26 -0400
From: kurt@fgallery.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Acoustic Dreams
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.16.8.13.-13.56.26.2916992174.323281@bbs.fgallery.com>
Is Acsoutic dreams sold out? what is the track list? If its sold
out..im willing to pay someone for a tape dub,since i dont have much to
trade..email me privately please.. :)
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 20:00:53 -0700 (MST)
From: auhcy@asu.edu
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: EOT & HOR
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960813194602.15411F-100000@general2.asu.edu>
I finally got HOR (found it in Best Buy's clearance bin) after soooooo
many people post about Savatage and I met someone 2 weeks ago who let me
borrow her EOT and WOW!!!!!! I am blown away. EOT & HOR are both awesome
and i like HOR more. Now I am thinking about checking their earlier stuff
since I already have DWD and Streets (my favorite SAVA album) I have read
that some don't recommend Gutter Ballet and I have only seen (I can't
remember the name) one CD with a skull on the cover, what is that called?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated, thank you!!
Hui-Chi
auhcy@asu.edu
http://www.public.asu.edu/~auhcy
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There's never time to say all the things we need to say,
when it's too late, we can only say goodbye.
--Fates Warning, Parallels
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 1996 23:35:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: mjnewb@mo.net (Monty Newberry)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Marillion/Maiden set
Message-ID: <199608140435.XAA11569@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, just bought Marillion's "Season's End" at a used store for $2.
Pretty kewl, I must say.
While at said store, I saw an Iron Maiden 3 CD set in the imports
section called something like "Lords of the Twilight." It was going for
$74, I believe. I've never seen or heard of this one. Anybody know about
this? Is it worth the price? Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
"It's the 'feel-good' video of the year." -Mike Portnoy on the video
for "Lie"
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 96 21:41:44 PDT
From: zack@lsil.com (Zack Gemmill)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fan network, Rush reactions
Message-ID: <9608140441.AA16578@tengs1>
Okay, I was looking at the fan network listings and I
only saw like two females (the rest who put that were
joking) in the entire world! What the hell, don't DT
Babes surf the 'net as much as we do? Y'all probably
got better stuff to do, right? !^)>
And about that Rush thing. If they really said that
(referring to what Paul got from the NMS) then they
really suck. If one of the members _had_ played on the
tribute, then perhaps they could've had _some_ creative
control over part of it. Now I'm kind of sorry that I
dissed the tribute (I did forget to add that I loved
CTTH by Fates). Good idea about postponing buying the
CD for a few days. We can always tape it off the radio
before it's released. Sonsofbitches. I'm going to boycott
the tour as well. (Well, that's going a bit too far...)
Zach
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 07:10:07 -0500
From: John Dea <jrdea@novia.net>
To: "~TNMS" <rush@syrinx.umd.edu>, "~YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Critical Mass
Message-ID: <199608141209.HAA12000@oasis.novia.net>
Hi.
I just got "Critical Mass" in the mail the other day, and I'd just like
to add my voice to the mighty throng proclaiming, "Get this CD!" The
sound quality on this one is fantastic. It was well worth the expense.
If you can afford the $50 price tag, order it. If you can't afford it,
take out a loan and *then* order it (-8 Am I making myself clear?
Just about the closest thing I have to a complaint about it is the way
the bonus track is "hidden" at the end, so that you can't just index it
directly (BTW, Mike, how many drummers are performing on that? Even
Peart would have to be twins to play it solo without overdubbing.);
however, that track, once found, is wonderful. Imagine alternating back
and forth between distant cousins of "Natural Science" (Hyperspace) and
the marimba part of "The Rhythm Method". That description still doesn't
quite do it justice, though. Maybe I should listen to the whole thing a
couple dozen more times (-8
My contribution to word-o'-mouth advertising,
John
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 96 8:53:01 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ...no subject...
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+6iQ2mA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just got an ad from EmpireEnt listing the following bands on sale ($17)
ANGRA, AVALON, ELDRITCH, LANZER, RESISTORS, TAMAS, TIME MACHINE, VIPER
Has anyone ever heard of any of these guys? I've already gotten the Angra.
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: TV alert
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960814100141.15708F-100000@bdmserver>
I know a lot of people on this list like Queen and Queen are an influence
to DT. On Saturday August 17 from 10-11pm EDT there is a Route 96 Queen
Concert "Budapest" and this is on VH-1.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
|=======================================================================|
| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
|-----------------------------------------------------------------------|
| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 1-1 (preseason) |
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 17:33:23 GMT+100
From: Andreas Kasper <KASPER@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra and Viper
Message-ID: <MAILQUEUE-101.960814173323.416@pc-aak.chemie.uni-mainz.de>
> From: CNG@tcco.com (Chung Ng) :
>
> I just got an ad from EmpireEnt listing the following bands on sale ($17)
> ANGRA, AVALON, ELDRITCH, LANZER, RESISTORS, TAMAS, TIME MACHINE, VIPER
> Has anyone ever heard of any of these guys? I've already gotten the
> Angra.
Hello!
Why Angra disk did you get?
In case it is "Angels Cry" : "Theatre Of Fate" by Viper is quite similar,
because the Angra vocalist/keyboardist Andre Matos was a member of Viper
back then.
Have fun!
- Andreas -
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 1996 18:21:39 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <graham@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
To: YtseJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: asdf
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.91.960814181907.7992A-100000@grelb.src.gla.ac.uk>
I just figured out what "asdf" means (the compulsory subject for posts
to ytsejam-request).
It's so obvious, and I feel very silly now. I always thought it was some
cryptic acronym :-)
Graham B.
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