YTSEJAM Digest 1760
Today's Topics:
1) #ytsejam info needed
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
2) catchin' up
by zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
3) Working Man ad
by "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
4) Re: #ytsejam info needed
by skooc@earthlink.net
5) anyone hear of this band?
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
6) Queen tribute III
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7)
by
8) Greman stuff
by Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
9) devin townsend
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
10) Re: devin townsend
by Kain <kain@caribe.net>
11) real dt content (har har)
by <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
12) the gc mystery
by WildKoba@aol.com
13) King's X in Bay Area
by Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
14) James Murphy (NDTC)
by KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden)
15) DT on HORDE/Lallapalooza?
by Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net>
16) The best music thus far in 1996.
by jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok)
17) Redemption
by Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net>
18) Tourniquet, Dean Castronova info of QR video etc.
by 0lli-Pekka Komonen <op777@freenet.hut.fi>
19)
by Uncle.Dave@asu.edu
20) Derek's Birthday Bash
by babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia)
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:02:26 -0400
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: #ytsejam info needed
Message-ID: <v01520d00ae38b3ee6809@[199.171.22.135]>
hello,
how do you get on the #ytsejam IRC channel? and what time does
anybody/everybody meet?
Dan
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http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
"Home of the Unofficial GALACTIC COWBOYS Page"
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:50:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: zebrowski steven <szebro1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: catchin' up
Message-ID: <199608151850.OAA22844@umbc8.umbc.edu>
A while ago, I was accused of posting a review of the Rush trib that was
"confused and ignorant." I responded, but I never saw it <I guess due to
the recent admin difficulty> so I would like to reiterate what I said.
My post was not confused, except for the fact that I confuse the rhythm guit
player on La Villa w/ Steve Morse. For that I apologize to Steve. My post was
not ignorant, as I have been listening to Rush since I was 4-5 years old. I
am not ignorant to their music. I am also a music student very familiar with
the concept of personal interpretation of an existing composition. I still
contend that most of the guitar playing on the CD, with the exception of
John P, Jim M, and James M, is a total wank-fest. Sure it's ad lib. Alex
Lifeson has not had an ad-lib solo in 15 years. His solos are well thought
out. If he did play an ad-lib solo, it was very carefully relearned for
live performance.
I thought my review was pretty objective. I stated what I didn't like
followed by what I liked. Some things are also growing on me, but NOT the
guitar playing, except by the aforementioned players.
My gripe with "The Trees": Rush has stated before that there is no serious
message in that song, and that Neil wrote it with a sort of cartoon in mind.
The way that the singer sings it makes it sound like it's life and death
drama. He is the very definition of "overwrought vocals" a term which I
personnally hate, but this is it. The guitar solo is also wank-y. I don't
think the keyboardist quite has the knack of the pitch bender either. If
you are going to divebomb, don't do it at the end of EVERY phrase. The
flourish before the keyboard solo is also annoying. You COULD call it
chromatic modality, but I think that's giving him a little too much benefit
of the doubt.
I love Analog Kid, Mission, Nat Sci, Closer, Red Barch, and Freewill.
Well, that's enough from me...
Steve Z
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 96 18:49:10 UT
From: "Jeff Falk" <King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Working Man ad
Message-ID: <UPMAIL05.199608151850300938@msn.com>
Magna Carta has an ad in the new Metal Edge for Working Man and another
release. The word "Rush" is absent from the ad. The music that inspired
Working Man is reffered to as "the compositions of Lee, Lifeson and Peart." I
think it is very strange that they can't even use the band's name.
Jeff Falk
King_of_the_Nighttime_World@msn.com
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 11:57:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: skooc@earthlink.net
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: #ytsejam info needed
Message-ID: <199608151857.LAA00708@cyprus.it.earthlink.net>
Hi,
For anyone that wants to come to irc, here's what you need to know.
go to <irc.dreamt.org> under port enter <2112> And then in channel name you put
<#ytsejam> and that should do it! There are no special times when people are
there, but usually anytime in the mid afternoon and till dawn (eastern time)
someone is usually around.
Scott Cook (aka Grinder on irc)
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"The only angst I feel is that I'm not making MORE money on this tour"
Gene $immons - 1996
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At 10:56 AM 8/15/96 -0700, you wrote:
>hello,
>
>how do you get on the #ytsejam IRC channel? and what time does
>anybody/everybody meet?
>
>Dan
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 14:10:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.uoknor.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: anyone hear of this band?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.960815140654.6426A@rossby>
Hey,
I've got a band which is right up there in talent with Dream
Theater, have great guitar work, drumming is excellent (although not
quite up to par with Mike Portnoy, but then again, who is?), and play
with lots of odd times, difficult phrases.
The band is LEVIATHAN. The only release I have of them is
"Deepest Secrets Beneath". It is truly excellent and a must-buy for all
DT fans. They play phrases like 6/8, 10/8, 6/8, 6/8, 5/4, etc. Very
original. In fact, in their thanks section, they have in bold, special
thanks to Dream Theater, probably for inspiring their music. CHECK IT
OUT, ALL!
Jon
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 16:45:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Queen tribute III
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960815164345.16425H-100000@bdmserver>
Lets try this again.
Twice this paragraph on the Queen tribute got deleted. WHY?????????????????
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Sheer Heart Attack!
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| "Every breath leaves me one less to my last" --Dream Theater |
| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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| Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!!!!!! 1-1 (preseason) |
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 15:55:48 -0600
From: Monty Newberry <mjnewb@mo.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Greman stuff
Message-ID: <32139CE4.6CCA@mo.net>
>This mail is for all the German and German speaking Ytsejammers...
Well, I sort of speak German, though i'm from Illinois, and of
primarily Scotch/Irish/English descent. I'll just have to get my old
German workbook from college out.
>...and noticed that they have a link called Newsgroupthat is a mailto >to ytsejam-request@arastar.com...
Ahh, the memories... . I think that may be how I first got on the 'jam
(sits back in quiet contemplation).
Just started my first day at a local grocery store. Boy, I hate work.
Cheers :).
Dale R. Newberry
"It's awfully hard work doing nothing."
-from "The Imortance of Being Earnest," by Oscar Wilde
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 17:28:24 +2000
From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool"
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: devin townsend
Message-ID: <199608152106.AAA22857@pepe.online.ee>
>That part is just too cool! I guess Dev's one of those you either
>love or hate, and there's no middle ground. What else has he done
>besides Vai's _Sex & Religion_? C'mon Devin fans! (I know you're on
well i love him, but i am not a fan.
you should check out strapping young lad (album is called "heavy as
a really heavy thing"), which is pure devin, from songwriting and
lyrics to all arrangements and most instruments. it's very
industrial, sometimes you can't tell if it's music or just noise, but
it's still very musical. the first song (s.y.l.) has to be THE anthem
of industrial metal. a live judas priest cover also included ("exciter"),
and he's brilliant on it.
some questions too, as i've been away from my homeland and thus all
computers for a month now (hitchhiking thru whole europe and blah
blah).
first off, any news concerning any new stuff from dream theater?
secondly, have any technique-fans out there done some statistics in
the vein of "how many octaves can james cover without getting
overwhelmingly falsetto-ish"? i basically want some comparisons to
the other singers (geoff tate, freddie mercury, luciano pavarotti,
the above mentioned townsend and so forth). via e-mail if possible.
it may sound silly and of no importance at all, but i do want to
know.
ok, later.
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation
to love without fear and learn without question
how could I regret the meant occasions
I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:37:05 -0400
From: Kain <kain@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: devin townsend
Message-ID: <32139881.5DEC@caribe.net>
Raivo Hool wrote:
> secondly, have any technique-fans out there done some statistics in
> the vein of "how many octaves can james cover without getting
> overwhelmingly falsetto-ish"? i basically want some comparisons to
> the other singers (geoff tate, freddie mercury, luciano pavarotti,
> the above mentioned townsend and so forth). via e-mail if possible.
> it may sound silly and of no importance at all, but i do want to
> know.
to the one who answers this: email me a copy too if you can, i too want
to know.
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:34:03 +2000 From: <raitz@guvatrak.ee> "Raivo Hool" To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: real dt content (har har) Message-ID: <199608152138.AAA24088@pepe.online.ee>
dt stands for devin townsend too, as if you never knew. (that much about apologies.)
> True enough. However, I don't think his sense of dynamics has >changed much since then. He just screams too frequently. In my mind, >that is being done to cover up a lack of vocal depth in other areas. > Then again, Phil Anselmo CAN sing when he wants to instead of >wailing like a mounted dog.
*snip*
> I just don't hear that in Dev T. He even ruined the ballad on >the record by screaming like he was being attacked by a shark. > Fortunately, he doesn't sing for Rush or DT so I won't have to >listen to him regularly. :)
since when hasn't his dynamics changed? devin townsend is still doing industrial. yes, he was 19 when the record came out. no, as far as i know, he doesn't have the lack of vocal depth to cover up. to compare him to phil anselmo is almost blasphemy to me.
well, obviously not that seriously. i just like devin's singing and songwriting lots more than phil anselmo's. it's not a matter of opinion, it's just a difference of opinion. to be 21 (or 22) and have an industrial record that can beat crap outta nine inch nails seven days a week is something to cling to, unless you despise industrial (which *i* for the most part do).
THE record you were talking about... which was it? vai's or magna carta's blah blah? just askin', cuz he never sang a pure *ballad* on sex & religion. the only one was the last and that -- as susan mentioned above -- was 100 per cent steve vai-cals.
ok, i'm outta here. been smokin' too much of black hash tonite. (just got back from my copenhagen-amsterdam-paris tour, y'know.) :-))
raitz
How could I forget such a revelation to love without fear and learn without question how could I regret the meant occasions I must begin this day again
Cynic, "How Could I"
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 19:36:46 -0400 From: WildKoba@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the gc mystery Message-ID: <960815193646_457523094@emout16.mail.aol.com>
i was trying to think of what the cowboys sounded like to me (i really really disliked them, btw), and i figured it out. some of you might hate me, but whatever.......
galactic cowboys = echloyn (sans keys) + soundgarden (on a bad day) + megadeth ("youthanasia" era).
i like echolyn, sgarden, and other eras of megadeth. so you could say then i should like gc. but man, it just didn't happen. damn.
anyone have the address to the people's pub? i would appreciate it if someone forwarded it. thanks.
peace out, punks. and dig my new .sig. it's a thought industry quibble.
***************************************************************** david kobayashi binghamton university. music, philosophy
"my girlfriend and i are quite poor. so we crash funeral gatherings for the free food. hell, everybody's so busy crying and consoling, they don't even notice us in the coatroom pillaging their clothes and purses. it's too bad that you can't run very far on an orbiting space colony."-b. oberlin *****************************************************************
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 17:24:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Taylor Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X in Bay Area Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9608151709.A14232-0100000@ese.UCSC.EDU>
The opening band for King's X when they play at The Edge in Palo Alto is called Giant Huge. No Galactic Cowboys. :( I asked them when I got my tix.
~Chris
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 01:10:10 GMT From: KWMadden@usa.pipeline.com (Kevin Madden) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: James Murphy (NDTC) Message-ID: <199608160110.BAA20475@pipe12.h1.usa.pipeline.com>
Someone was asking about James Murphy. If anyone wants to contact him about his new project and recording due out soon, e-mail him at his new e-mail address; JMCONVERGE@AOL.COM He is not your average rockstar computer illiterate, and he can actually communicate quite well. Drop him a line if you have an opinion about his work as he is receptive to both positive and negative criticism. FYI, Testament may be back together, but with only two original members: Chuck Billy and someone else. James Murphy is not involved. -- Kevin (kwmadden@usa.pipeline.com) GO PACKERS...GO WINGS!!
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 22:26:43 -0400 From: Jon Byrne <rael@access.mountain.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT on HORDE/Lallapalooza? Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19960815222832.215f164e@access.mountain.net>
I can't remember if this has been brought up before, so bear with me. Would it do the band any good to take a summer and do some dates with either the HORDE tour or Lallapalooza? Here's why I ask.
I'm getting ready for the hell of first year law school, with orientation here in sunny Morgantown. This morning I ran into a guy with a T-shirt from the Pittsburgh HORDE show this week, with King Crimson. I asked him how it was, and the specifically how KC was. He said they missed about half KC's set, but that they were "different" and "pretty cool." He also said he had never heard of them before. Now, knowing what a great live band DT is, do you all think similar things might happen to them if they spent some time with one of these festival tours?
Just curious.
Jonathan Byrne rael@access.mountain.net http://access.mountain.net/~rael/jdbhome2.htm West Virginia University College of Law ----------------------------------------------------------------- "You've got people on the tube, walking on the moon People at the bottom of the sea People in tombs, people in igloos Even a tribe of pygmies." -Adrian Belew, "People", King Crimson
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:46:40 -0400 From: jestok@interlog.com (Mike Estok) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The best music thus far in 1996. Message-ID: <199608160345.XAA28986@gold.interlog.com>
This is for any music lover:
Today I heard the advance single "My Girlfriend's Girlfriend" from the Aug. 20th release "October Rust" by Type O Negative.
I just wanted to tell everyone that this IS THE BEST STUFF I HAVE EVER HEARD BY THEM. Not to mention the best new material by any band this year!!!
They have improved dramatically from the already-brilliant "BLoody Kisses".
For those who hated them for Queensryche - give it a chance and BUY IT!!
For those who have never heard their music - give it a chance and BUY IT!!!
For those who love Type O Negative - What the fuck do you think??? :)
Type O Negative "October Rust" August 20, 1996
Michelob (who has not been hired by Peter Steele)
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Date: Thu, 15 Aug 1996 23:07:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Mithrandir <mithrandir@pb.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Redemption Message-ID: <199608160607.XAA19029@mindcrime.ax.com>
Hello there !!!!!
Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I ranted about a guy playing at a bar who said that he rejected DT's offer to sing with them. He said he was glad because Awake didn't sell well( in his eyes at least). Well Tuesday night I go out again, and this time to my shock someone screams out RUSH at request time. Now since it is just a guitarist and a singer I'm thinking no way. Next thing you know the guitarist starts playing "Tears" from 2112. They did the whole song, and I almost shit myself. I walked up to him later and told him that he had redeemed himself.
Wednesday night I am closing Manager at Waldbaum's in Melville N.Y. and I see this girl walking around in an Awake shirt. I was impressed. I walked up to her and said " I like the shirt" she said thanks. And to top it all off, she was attractive too. Man I love Dream Theater!!!!! Elen sila lumenn omentilmo, Mithrandir
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 10:06:23 +0300 (EET DST) From: 0lli-Pekka Komonen <op777@freenet.hut.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tourniquet, Dean Castronova info of QR video etc. Message-ID: <199608160706.KAA07627@learnet.freenet.hut.fi>
>Who is Dean Castronova? I might be wrong, bu hasn't this guy played in Bad English and Hardline, and (this I am really unsure) Ken Tamplin's Tamplin. About this Tourniquet stuff, yes Ted Kirkpatrick is *the* drummer, Pathogenic Ocular Dissonance is the cornerstone of progressive thrash metal, everyone should own this, they have also released a best of lately, called "the collected works of Tourniquet", it contains 2 new tracks, haven't heard 'em though. More info of the Queensryche Live in Tokyo video... It is a live video from 1985, it contains tracks: 1.Nightrider, 2. Prophecy 3. Deliverance 4. Child Of Fire, 5. En Force. 6. Blinded. 7. The Lady Wore Black. 8. Warning. 9. Take Hold Of The Flame 10. Queen Of The Reich. Techincal information tells that "VHS Hi-Fi pal colour STEREO dolby system" Running time approx. 50 mins. Because I only have one video, it will be auctioned, the one with highest bid will get the video with the price of the 2nd highest + 10%. How does this sound: Lightmare/Sav/FW/QR/DT, and after all these bands there would still be one............the first reunion gig of STRYPER! :-P (I guess now I am as bad as Michael C. ...)
-OP
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 00:13:24 -0700 (MST) From: Uncle.Dave@asu.edu To: JAMMER DUDES <ytsejam@ax.com> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.960816000911.16172A-100000@general4.asu.edu>
just wondering... i just bought my german copy of latm and i was wondering if anyone agrees with me on that dt should make the intro to another hand...the killing hand (don't know the abbrev!!!) into a cool instrumental for an upcoming album (maybe not the one for febuary but for the one 2 1/2 years after that one)
just a thought
DON'T LET YOUR BRAIN TAKE A VACATION...IT MIGHT LOOSE ITS LUGGAGE!!!
"She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" ---Dream Theater
The Music and The Man Behind it:
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Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 08:34:00 -0500 (EST) From: babs@sgenva.cc.geneseo.edu (Barb Battaglia) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Derek's Birthday Bash Message-ID: <v01510103ae39e1da2a80@[137.238.26.12]>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. Wanted to let everyone know that Jeff Chew left a message on my voice mail yesterday. He wanted me to post to the list to remind you about Derek Sherinian's birthday party. It is being held at People's Pub in Long Island which is off the Jericho Turnpike.
He asked me to try to locate the pub's address and telephone number. Could someone, if they know the location and directions on how to get there, please post to the 'jam as soon as possible about it. Also, Jeff did not leave the date that this was to take place, but I assume it must be on Derek's birthday (does anyone know the correct date?).
Jeff is currently in Hong Kong (he will be returning a few days before the party) and does not have 'net access he would appreciate's any 'jammers help on this.
Thank you.
-BABS
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