YTSEJAM Digest 2073
Today's Topics:
1) Catching up
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
2) Re: TOOL
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
3) Re: Stuff and things
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
4) Don't spoil anything for us!!
by "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
5) Splendid In the bright Light (RUSH this Friday!!!)
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
6) King's X info
by "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
7) A message to bass players everywhere!!
by Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu>
8) Re: lyrics
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
9) Oh, yeah, and...
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
10) action
by David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu>
11) some questions and answers
by Bodnar Adam <ytsejam@eik.bme.hu>
12) Re: TOOL and other stuph w/DTC
by saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com>
13) Re: Prog metal: why only "popular" in England?
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
14) Re: issues and answers and lions and tigers and bears
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
15) Re: Eric Johnson
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
16) sean malone CD (need info)
by Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu>
17) Re: Girlfriends and Dream Theater
by drkhoe@gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:11:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Catching up
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961203235146.52876A-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
Whew!!! I just caught up on a weeks worth of jams. Here are some
of my thoughts:
Girlfriends and DT: I tried my best, but I still can't convert her. She
likes the occasional song, like WFS, LSOAD, AD, etc, and she can even
tell when I'm playing DT in the car by James's voice, but she's not a
fan. Maybe it is the song lengths. She's not a very patient person in
general.
Song lengths: Personally, as a general rule, I prefer the shorter DT
songs. And I also personally enjoy playing a short (3 - 5 minutes),
well-crafted pop song than a long, drawn-out epic. Most of the time (and
remember my experience with 20min + songs is seriously limited)
they end up being tedious, self-indulgent, and blatently unnecessary (I
know, I'm probably inviting flames). But this has not been the case with
DT, at least not yet. I love ACOS and I'm sure I'll love MetII. Maybe if
bands would make their epics as musically interesting (not necessarily
meaning complicated) as DT does, I wouldn't mind as much. Oh well.
Double album: This was discussed a while ago. There are positives and
negatives about it. On the positive side: the more DT the merrier for us
die-hards. I would buy the album without hestitation. But is this really
the smartest move for the band business-wise? Probably not. As I said
before when this issue was raised, I believe Awake sold significantly
less than I&W and I have no idea how much ACOS sold. Regardless, there is
probably a lot of pressure on DT by the record label to "redeem"
themselves in the label's dollar-sign illuminated eyes. That being said,
double albums usually sell a lot worse than normal albums because they
are obviously more expensive to buy. Which isn't exactly going to open
the floodgates for potential fans to check the album out on a whim. Now,
regarding the idea of pulling a Guns N'Roses or a Bruce Springsteen by
putting out a double album, but selling them as individual CDs, that
might solve the problem I just mentioned. But it raises an entirely
different issue: namely, how many really good double albums have there
been? IMHO, the cases of GNR and Bruce illustrate the problem of having
several really good songs, and then they are surrounded by mediocre
material. Not to say that DT is even capable of putting out mediocre
material. But it could lend the album to be less focused. Personally, I
would like to see one album of absolutely kick-ass stuff than two albums
containing some kick-ass stuff, and some stuff that I could either take
or leave. Just my opinion.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:25:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: TOOL
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.961204001704.11945A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996, Michael Washkevich wrote:
> Anyone heard the new TOOL yet? Its one of the best albums of the year in my
> opinion. Anyone else feel that way? Anyone heard Ani DiFranco's Dilate? That
> goes on the list of best albums too. Just wondering.
>
Yes. The three best CDs I've bought in the last year are Kevin Gilbert's
Thud, a Stravinsky set, and the new Tool. I've liked aenima since I've had
it, but I just started to really get into it in the past few days. This is
an amazing album...and I think it definitely counts as prog, for song
structures and intelligent lyrics if nothing else. It's heavy, dirty, and
bitter, and just tons better than all the other popular "alternative" type
bands I've heard...drums are pretty awesome, lots of double bass and tom
rolls that make me very happy, the basslines are very melodic, guitars
quite heavy, and the singer's voice has a really neat quality to it that
I've never heard anywhere else. And the cover is soooo cool. I feel like
I'm on acid every time i liik at it.
it doesn't come with lyrics, though, but you can find them at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/alley/5852/lyrics.htm
stravinsky at kevin gilbert are pretty awesome too...check 'em out
see you down in arizona bay...
-max
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 00:31:09 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Stuff and things
Message-ID: <32A50C9D.22BE@enter.net>
> For all you Shadow Gallery and Magellan fans. Magna Carta is
> re-releasing both of their first CD's in limited quanities either this
> week or next. So get your local CD store to order you a copy today.
>
> These are different from Impending Acention and Carved in Stone (I think
> that is the name) right? If they are, what are they called and what are
> their prices?
>
> -Shane
>
Magellan's first was called 'Hour of Restoration' and Shadow Gallery's I
believe was self titled.
Prices? I assume $12 if Magna Carta keeps the same way they've been
doing things. I'll check tomorrow and see the status any other vital
info.
Birch Hill --- Get ready to rumble. Well not really, but how about
ROCK!!!! I wonder if Shadow Gallery is going to go watch again, they
were there last time. HUmmm?????
LAter,
Bruce D
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 00:29:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "L. Jason Hartman" <lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Don't spoil anything for us!!
Message-ID: <199612040529.AAA18723@umbc9.umbc.edu>
I think that some of the DT shows are coming up REAL soon.
For the sake us those of us not going until next week/weekend,
please don't spoil any cool stuff for us. If you want to
post something, put ***SPOILER*** in the subject line.
I would like to be suprised when I see Kevin Moore back up on
stage where he belongs. Whoops!! I guess I just spoiled it!! :)
See ya all at Birch Hill! I'll be the guy thinking that it's
too crowded in here. ;)
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ -=- Miami Dolphins - All the way in '96!!!! -=- / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 1996 23:28:04 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Splendid In the bright Light (RUSH this Friday!!!) Message-ID: <32A4B784.3821@sprynet.com>
Hi there troops!!!
I happened upon that sucky channel MTV the other day when they had the YackLIve crap on and I was stunned to see someone on there with a name of YtseJam333!!! I thought that was pretty cool. Someone mentioned a change in MTV's musical programming - hmmm, I wonder. Anyway it would suck if they did start playing cool s**T because our cable company is dumping the POC (Piece of Crap) next month. I am so sad (sarcasm).
For anyone going to Friday's RUSH show in New Orleans - if you see a tall, skinny guy with long hair and a DT Awake shirt, it's probably me. Don't be scared to say hi!! I am actually kind of scared to go down there as people are getting shot like crazy lately. Wish me well.
That's all,
Phillip
Cool CD of the day: Threshold "Wounded Land"
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:52:01 -0600 (CST) From: "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King's X info Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.961203234732.78420A-100000@black.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Hopefully I am not repeating anything already said here... I just came across the new OFFICIAL King's x page. It is suppossedly run by the band itself. There is some pretty interesting info on a new video they are doing with rare footage and other stuff. Check out the new section.
The address is:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Kings_x/
They are already writing material for a new LP.
Enjoy!
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Dreaded Rear Admiral <bd90988@binghamton.edu> To: YtseJam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A message to bass players everywhere!! Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.L3.93.961204010613.21555A-100000@bingsun2>
greetings ytsejammers! I was just wondering if there were any bass players out there who might be interested in probably trading some bass tabs or other bass related stuff, dt or otherwise.. thanks a lot. E-mail me back privately if any of you are interested.
Hiram M. Soto
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "When a man lies he murders some part of the world These are the pail deaths which men miscall their lives All this I cannot bear to witness any longer Cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home" -"To Live is to Die" by Metallica ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hiram Manuel Soto E-mail at: bd90988@binghamton.edu or at: beavis2001@geocities.com Check out my home Page at: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/9390 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: lyrics Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961203225417.23951A-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> From: Dieter Cailliau <Dieter.Cailliau@student.kulak.ac.be>
> to the ytsejamming night-worker (i've forgotten your name). I wanted > your (every-ones) opinion about how important lyrics are in progressive > rock music. I admit that good lyrics give the music an extra value > (especially when it is written in the language you normally speak), but > since i usually don't speak Englisch, i don't really care about the > lyrics. For me, the music is much more important. In fact, the problem > is that i am writing music with a friend of mine, but we find it hard to > write a good text in Englisch. How many of you read the lyrics of the > music you like? And does it have a great influence on your opinion about > the music? > > tot nog eens... Huh? What?:)
To answer your question, the lyrics really have very little effect on my opinion of a song. Back when I used to listen to a lot of Metallica, I used to look up their lyrics all the time and try to figure out what the hell the singer was singing about. Nowadays, on most of the music I listen to, I'd rather not have any singing on it at all. I just have a bigger interest in the music and sometimes it really seems as if the singing is just getting in the way of the music and just cluttering up the piece (this applies to DT and to the other bands I listen to). I remember reading for the first time, that DT at one point a few years ago was thinking about going as an all-instrumental band. Don't I wish. But this all really comes out because *I* have a problem with singing. I find it boring to listen to, I don't like to sing, and I can't understand why other people consider it so important (by the same token, I think classical music is great and I hate opera). I say if a band really wants to write lyrics, they should publish 'em as poems or something (btw, I don't like poetry either). It seems to me there's just no need to tie them into the music produced by a band. To me, it's all about the music, not about the lyrics (the images, not the words:)). I wish more bands would release albums that reflect that attitude and let the instruments take care of the singing.
This turned out to be a bit longer than I expected. It's just something that's been eating at me for a while.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 23:28:34 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Oh, yeah, and... Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961203232740.23951B-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
Long songs RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
heheh, 'nuff said.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 01:47:48 -0600 From: David Alderman <alde0004@gold.tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: action Message-ID: <32A52CA3.17A8@gold.tc.umn.edu>
Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>wrote: "So you think you'll take another piece of me, to satisfy your intellectual need. Do you want, do you want, action, action......" then some other verse I can't remember then something like "Liar, Liar..."
I'm not sure who originally did this song, (I thought it was Queen but after looking at the authors I don't think so anymore) but Steve Stevens did a version of it. The authors are listed as (Scott/Tucker/Connolly/Priest). I think Def Leppard also did a cover of it.
Cool Cd of the day...
Damn the Machine
Later...
David
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 09:49:51 +0100 (MET) From: Bodnar Adam <ytsejam@eik.bme.hu> To: Ytsejam digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: some questions and answers Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.961204094619.19923B-100000@goliat.eik.bme.hu>
Hi all.
I read in an interview that Dream Theater wanted to release Caught In A Web as a single.Why didn't they do it?
Does anyone know what kind of guitar is the "black one" in the Pull Me Under clip?And I'd like to know the names of actors appearing in the clip of Another Day...
Thanks and bye... /------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | "Find all you need in your mind...Take the time!" | | | | ytsejam@goliat.eik.bme.hu Bodnar Adam / \-----------------------------------------------------------------------/
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Date: Wed, 04 Dec 1996 03:56:11 -0500 From: saveur <saveur@cais.cais.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: TOOL and other stuph w/DTC Message-ID: <3.0b34.32.19961204035610.006c5820@cais.cais.com>
hey Jammers, (i can hear the groans now. "oh god, not john again, going on about TOOL. first he bores us on irc and now this?"). so w/o further a do:
Mike Washkevich wrote: >Anyone heard the new TOOL yet? Its one of the best albums of the year in my >opinion. Anyone else feel that way? [...snip...]
yes. where were you back in september and october? nevermind, that's not important. what is important is how much the album kix ass. everyone should buy it, even you ryan :)
>Also- I believe the intro to Change of Seasons is played clean on electric.
i concur.
>Finally got my pictures developed with Portnoy and Derek from his party.= I'm >showing them off to everyone.
2 words: get them scanned and put on a webpage. plz :]
Jeff "Chambers" Forte wrote: >The above especially holds true if the conditions are anything like I have >heard about Birch Hill. I dont know, Ive never been there, but all Ive heard >are complaints about the overcrowding. =20
complaints? who doesnt like being a sardine? or being forced to rub up against several other hot, sweaty, rabid DT fans who drive from all over to see 1 show? i loved it so much the first time, i'm going back for 2nd helping :)
and then Anton Max wrote: >This is an amazing album...and I think it definitely counts as prog, for= song >structures and intelligent lyrics if nothing else. It's heavy, dirty, and >bitter, and just tons better than all the other popular "alternative" type >bands I've heard...drums are pretty awesome, lots of double bass and tom >rolls that make me very happy, the basslines are very melodic, guitars >quite heavy, and the singer's voice has a really neat quality to it that >I've never heard anywhere else. And the cover is soooo cool. I feel like
yes yes yes yes yes.
>I'm on acid every time i liik at it.=20 ^^^^ uh, ok... ;)
>it doesn't come with lyrics, though, but you can find them at=20 [...URL of bad site snipped...] *boo hiss*=20 check out http://toolshed.down.net and if you get a chance, DEFINATELY check them out live. the first leg of the tour is almost over, but they should be going around again in the spring (tonite's show was awesome :)
prying open my third eye, john
in the player: TOOL - Opiate, Undertow, =C6nima (though i cant hear the= music)
j . c h r i s t i a n j j e n s @ g m u . e d u e n s h t t p : / / w w w . c a i s . n e t / j j e n s /
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:09:24 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog metal: why only "popular" in England? Message-ID: <v02130501aecadf838e0f@[128.32.100.59]>
Hey, since you seem to be having trouble getting ahold of good prog, I thought I might try and help out. My first suggestion is mail order. I know, now you ask "where?" Well Syn-Phonic is a really good mail order place (and record label!) Now I cannot tell you anything about their practices, but the guy who got me into DT and Prog in general swears by them. Another way of getting stuff is going directly through the record labels themselves, I know that Magna Carta (Shadow Gallery's label) will do mail order. Each CD is $15.98, just write to them. If you want the addresses to either of these companies, just e-mail me privately and I will send them to you, I am not sure if I am allowed to post them on the Jam or not. Onto your gripe about US audiences... I really hate to say it, but I do think the reason why prog has not caught on is that American music audiences are not as musically intelligent as european listeners. True that some of the popular stuff here is somewhat musically accomplished, but when bands like Genesis (when they were good) are amazingly popular only in europe, you need to start wondering whether or not American listeners have any idea about music. Now my generalization is only involved with the pop area of music. Avenues like Jazz and Classical are untouchable in their true musical power, but I don't see too many Jazz or Classical tunes making their way up any Top 40 charts around me.
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ Don't Just Stand There Impressed! ______________________________________________________________________________ shane liebling Peninsula Emperors Member jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jusenkyonet Member http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi ____________________________________________________________________________ __
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:14:15 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: issues and answers and lions and tigers and bears Message-ID: <v02130502aecae28f4562@[128.32.100.59]>
In your query about that tune of yours... I first need to know if it was a Prog song, because if it was not , and it was a hard hitting type song instead with pauses covered by talking, it might have been "Liar" by the Rollins Band, headed by Henry Rollins one of the most intelligent writer/speaker/lyricists/publisher/actors out there today. Then again I could be entirely wrong here...
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ Don't Just Stand There Impressed! ______________________________________________________________________________ shane liebling Peninsula Emperors Member jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jusenkyonet Member http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi ____________________________________________________________________________ __
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:21:15 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Eric Johnson Message-ID: <v02130503aecae40f9fb6@[128.32.100.59]>
I just wanted to add in my two cents worth about EJ. It is true that he is not as hard hitting or rough as Satch or Vai, but I have to say his guitar work is amazing, expressive and powerful. Just because he doesnt use distortion doesn't mean he is bad, I have heard some classical guitar playing that has mad me weep because of the emotion expressed in it and in the awe of the player's ability. One thing though, before you entirely discount EJ, go pick up his "Ah Via Musicom" album. For me it certainly ranks up there as some of the best guitar work I have ever heard.
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ Don't Just Stand There Impressed! ______________________________________________________________________________ shane liebling Peninsula Emperors Member jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu Jusenkyonet Member http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi ____________________________________________________________________________ __
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 01:55:25 -0800 (PST) From: Younis Youssef Hilal <yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sean malone CD (need info) Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.961204014348.16764C-100000@uclink.berkeley.edu>
I caught a post a few days ago from someone who said they had bought Malone's new CD (I think it was called "Cortlandt" (sp?)). Would that someone be good enough to tell us (meaning me and the other Cynic fans on this list) a little more about it, like: Who's playing what on it? (Aside from Malone on bass:)) Where in the hell did you find it? How long is it? Is it really all-instrumental? I checked the record stores around here (Berkeley, Calif.) and the on-line CD-ordering companies and they don't have it. I'd appreciate any info.
Younis Hilal-------------------------------yhilal@uclink.berkeley.edu
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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 02:11:51 -0800 From: drkhoe@gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Girlfriends and Dream Theater Message-ID: <199612041011.CAA16728@ gmsnet.com>
Man, you just gotta DUMP HER!! She's not worthy...
-The Doc
On the Eve of Destruction, Dan said: >Hey All!!! > >I got a problem that I hope a few of you maybe able to help me out. I >asked my girlfriend to go see Dream Theater with me at Birch Hill in a 2 >weeks. She said yes (after some convincing) but now she is trying to >back out of going. She says she isn't into Dream Theater at all...or any >type of that music. SHe is into club music and all. SHe hasn't really >listened to DT that much. SO my question is...how do I get her to really >want to go and have a good time while she is there??? I would appricate >the ladies here to help me out as well. Thaks a million!!!! Later!! > >Dan GO COWBOYS!!!!!!
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